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economic disparity. all of those are issues that are dear to obama's heart. so i don't think he needs to do anything except step back and sort of be part of the scene. >> mike viqueira is in washington. what can we expect in the coming days from the pope and the president? >> well, i think that we have it about right. i mean, there are many issues on which these two men, president obama and the pope, agree. they discussed many of them when the president visited the vatican with michelle obama last march, march 2014. little did we know at the time also on the table the historic meeting between cuba and the united states that pope francis helped to broker. something that came to light after the fact. the issues they have in common and what the white house is stressing on immigration and climate change and on cuba, on income inequality. some of the more contentious issues they don't agree. this is all behind closed doors. when the interaction between the
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pope and president happens, there's not going to be the usual oval office photo op. we'll see them walking together. there will be a walk along the rose garden in the collonade. there will be a lot of pomp and ceremony on the south lawn early tomorrow morning when the pope arrives and the whole nine yards. as far as the content and the substance of what they discuss, we're not going to hear a lot about that, certainly not in public. the more contentious issues that divide these two men that they disagree like abortion and contraception, certainly there's no emphasis on that. john, i think once that portion is over, then you'll see the pope publicly do the things that he has talked about time and time again that have proved him to be so controversial around the world that he has alienated many conservatives. his views on climate change and the social strictures. that is the point of this pope, john. the point he's trying to make
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and perhaps one of the reasons he was selected in a surprise two years ago was because he's not emphasizing the social strictures of the church and the doctrine of the church seen as confining by many people, the growing number of disaffected catholics in this country and elsewhere. he emphasizes compassion and caring for the poor as his namesake was known for. >> the military and clergy are gathering at the base of the stairs there to greet the pope. there's a group of washington, d.c. students that will be meeting with the pope and presenting him with flowers. they're about to open the door. before they do that, mike, talk a little bit about security in d.c. this week. >> it's called -- it's been called the biggest security event not in the history of washington, john, but in the history of the united states of america. think about it. the appropriate is coming to the washington, to white house. he's going to have a mini parade around the grounds of the white house in washington.
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he will give mass at the bas basilica of the shrine of immaculate conception in northeast washington. then a joint meeting of congress and a speech on thursday, and then to new york addressing the united nations and to philadelphia for the world family conference. unbelievable security undertaken led by the secret service. they declare it a national security event. that allows the secret service to take charge. there is security all over washington. government workers have been basically told to stay home over the course of the next two or three days. people are talking about how bad the traffic is going to be here. it doesn't look like anybody will go to work. >> we will expect that in new york and philadelphia as well. there we have the president and the first lady and the first family walking toward the plane. so, patrick, talk about the process here a little bit. we saw several people including
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clergy go up on the plane. what's going on inside the plane right now? >> the pope is getting ready to come down the stairs. he maying thinks a little bit about what does he want to say to president obama. one of the things that's very surprising for people, john, is this pope is much more comfortable in spanish than english. over the course of the trip, we see him speak mostly in spanish with an interpreter. he may be thinking about exactly what does he want his first english words to be for the president of the united states. >> he has several speeches in english, and this is including the usa congress address. that's not an easy thing, because his english is not as good as his spanish. >> that's exactly right. the pope is very famous for going off-script. even in cuba a couple of days ago he threw away his text and preached from the heart in spanish. we won't see that as much in english. he's not as comfortable with the language. >> we have the president and his wife and daughters and vice president joe biden behind them and dr. jill biden as they await for the pope to stel out of the
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jet. how would you compare this trip by this pope to all the other trips of other popes? there is the pope stepping out there. >> there is the pope. thinking about this, the cheers we're hearing right now. let's listen to them. [ cheers and applause ] >> you meet the pope at the
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plane, and the clergy are there, too. >> these are t cardinals of the united states, some of the leading bishops from the united states. the pope meets with them and you can see just behind them the bishops and cardinals. the cardinal from the philippines is accompanying him on this trip. certainly other bishops and vatican staff as well. my guess on the u.s. side is you need to meet the president, the vp and one of their relatives. >> and another of military lined up as well for this. it's an incredible occasion. we were going back to comparing this visit to -- i mean, maybe it's happening right now that this pope is really popular and really made a mark. how does this trip compare to other visits? there's been excitement before when other popes have came. >> john paul ii came in 1979 and afters was a younger,
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enthusiastic man. he appeals to the middle. benedict xvi was a conservative there. he is talking with donald wuerl of washington. benedict xvi was a conservative that appealed to part of the church. francis appeals to the church quite broadly maybe at the cost of some of those conservatives. people relate to him as an humble, authentic man. >> francis is a jesuit. how is that different? >> he's the first jesuit pope. i teach at fordham university, and it's go back to a saint from the 16th century. he said that the world is full of god. that god is not separate from the world, and that god is in the world. francis buys into that. he wants to go seek god in the poor and the marginalized and also in the way that the world work politically and economically. he doesn't dre a contrast.
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>> i want to generalize you, and keep me honest here. isn't the jesuit order considered more liberal in the catholic church? >> absolutely. so francis in that way is a traditional jesuit, but they're liberal not because of a ideological thing but because of a they're yo logical commitment that the world is good and not an evil place. it's a place to do good work and show the mercy of god and love of god to the world. so often we talk about the pope as a political figure, and for sure he has political opinions. he's a priest. >> these are the washington, d.c. children that brought gifts and flowers to the pope. this pope has an incredible connection with children. it's been a big part of some of the important things he's had to say, right? >> absolutely. one of things we need to watch for carefully on this trip is the extent to which pope francis chooses to address that major issue in u.s. catholicism.
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the remnants of the child sec abuse scandal. he hasn't talked about as much as many victims and othsant him to talk about. there's a number of opportunities throughout the visit for him to address that if he wants to. >> i mean, very honestly this is probably one of the most difficult issues to deal with, if not the most difficult. there are lots of critics despite the popularity of the pope. plenty of critics say the pope simply hasn't ton enough, right? >> that's exactly right. francis has taken more concrete action than many predecessors. he forced the resignation of the bishop of kansas city who was involved in a cover-up. he's going to be going to philadelphia, where a monsignor was convicted for charges related to a sexual abuse scandal. its going to be interesting to see. he's done more but maybe not enough. >> sally, as you look at this picture of the pope strolling in, it's not as formal as i
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imagined it to be. just the president of the united states and his family having a nice conversation walking with the pope. >> well, you were asking how this trip was different from other popes' visits. i think the difference between this pope and benedict is stylistically it's a huge difference because benedict was very much involved, loved the pomp and circumstance, loved all of the fabulous robes and jewels and the red shoes. you know, all of these -- a lot of the bishops had fabulous houses they lived in. they lived like kings, and francis doesn't even live in the vatican, in the pope's quarters. i mean, he is literally walking the walk and talking the talk. i mean, he lis like a poor person. he drives his own car. this is unheard of. so he doesn't expect to be acclaimed. he doesn't expect to be treated like a king or a pope.
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he wants to be one of the people. i think that's one of the appeals he has for people all over the world, is that they see him as like them because he's not living any other kind of life except, obviously, he's very famous. he's living the life of an ordinary person, and you can feel that. you can see it in the way he walks and talks and the things he says and how he lives. >> other than the red carpet and the line of dignitaries, it looks very relaxed and casual and not a lot of ceremony. >> i mean, you might have expected him to have this big lunch on capitol hill seated three-course with butlers behind every chair. instead, he's going to go and eat with poor people. that's what he wants to do. that's his life, taking care of other people and people lesser than he is or that he doesn't
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feel that or that are not rich and famous and powerful or successful. >> sally, patrick, stand by for a second. pope francis has arrived in the united states after four days in cuba. president raul castro was on hand to say farewell to the pope today. the cuban government has been generallily hostile to religion since the revolution, but more than 60% of the island's residents identify as roman catholics. the vatican hopes the papal visit will help to end the u.s. embargo and lead to more freedom for all cubans. here in the united states of catholic church is struggling, and the vet vatican hopes his popularity will reverse the trends. let's go to mike viqueira at the white house with more on that. mike. >> there's no question that the catholic church is in some trouble around the world and particularly here in the united states. an amazing statistic and work done by the pew forum that
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studied catholicism in the united states. if you take every former catholic, someone that identifies as a former catholic that walked way from the church for one reason or another, that would be 41 million americans. 13% of the population. if those 41 million form their own religious group, it would be the second largest in the country after catholicism, which for generations has been the largest. the pope and so-called francis effect is something that the vatican and church leaders here in the united states can help to turn the tide. [ singing ] on a recent sunday in washington, new catholics are christened. >> i baptize you in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy spirit. >> two more added to the rolls of what has been for generations the single largest religious group in the united states. it's a welcome scene for worried catholics. the church in america is losing
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followers and fast. according to the pew forum, since 2007 the number of catholics in the u.s. has dropped by 3 million, roughly 41 million people, more than 1 in 10 americans notice call themselves former catholics. and as the remaining membership ages, it's just going to get worse. just 17% are under the age of 30. whether the plate is passed, empty pews mean empty coffers. add billions paid to victims of sexual abuse at the hands of clergy, and church finances are an unholy mess. in new york, the church has been forced to close 72 parishes in the last year alone. why is it happening? they point to church teaching on issues like gay marriage, lgbt rights and the status of women in the church as out of step with secular culture. the liturgy or rituals of the mass leaves people cold.
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and the homilies or sermons are irrelevant to their lives. though many of though complaints aren't new, it's the sexual abuse of children and the cover-up that has magnified problems and undercut the moral authority of leaders. >> today many catholics are not assist attached to the church as their parents or grandparents have been. they're not going to be there if the church doesn't respond to their needs and put meaning into their life. >> by 82 he was excommunicated. >> joe isn't just any ex-catholic. he lives in the neighborhood around washington's catholic university where he was a campus minister. >> this was the day of my invest tur when i got the habit. >> as a young man in 1965, izzo became a brother and teaching order. he was driven by a desire to suppress a growing recognition that he was gay. >> i felt terrible shame, and at that time i thought i was a terrible sinner as a result of the church's teaching.
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>> when izzo started to counsel gay students and staff at catholic, he was forced out not just from his job, but from the church. izzo says he found new spirituality as a quaker, but he's sting angry are francis' predecessor known as cardinal rad zinger. >> he eliminated all forms of decent and kolgdzed pedophile priests through the bishops and so forth and kicked openly gay and lesbian folks out of their orders. >> many catholics hope the francis effect can reverse the slide, but even church advocates say reform has to start at the local level. >> if people are attracted to the church by pope francis and then they walk into a parish and they don't find pope francis, instead they find some old fogey
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who acts like a judgmental bureaucrat, they're going to turn around and leave again and never come back. >> the francis effect may see some lapsed catholics return to the fold, but for many like joe izzo there's no going back. do you think that he can help bring people back to the church with that message? >> i hope so, but i'm not going to be one of them. >> he won't bring everyone back, but for many of the faithful, there's hope that pope francis can bring new life to a church in trouble. john, there's no evidence so far statistically in all of the polling we've seen that the francis effect is yet paying dividends. granted it's still early that catholics come back to the church. no one is seeing that quite yet. what we see is something very interesting, a so-called favorability gap. former catholics are more likely to look upon pope francis favorably than are current catholics. john. >> what's the u.s. church doing
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to reverse the trends? >> it begins at the local level. i think a recognition of following pope francis' lead. a lot of people are talking about a divide between the church. no one is ready to call is a scism just yet but there's a backlash for the clergy and laty what he's doing. so there's certainly a challenge that lies before this pope. >> all right. mike, good to see you. we'll talk a little later. up next, the pope and climate change. it's been a big part of his papacy, and he's expected to talk about it this week. why some politicians aren't happy. plus, immigration, 100 women and 100 miles walk to washington to bring their message to the pope.
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washington, d.c. he's headed to evening and has a big week ahead in washington, new york and philadelphia. its his first visit to the united states. by the way, it looks like he's traveling in this car, in a fiat. again, the pope for the people, a man of the people travels in small cars as you can see right there. he landed this hour at joint base andrews in maryland. you can see the plane where he just got off where he was met by president obama and vice president biden. they had a chat inside, and he got into the car. the pope's visit is taking him to the nation's capital, noshz city, philadelphia. one hot button issue that pope francis is expected to talk about is climate change. here's what he has said about it. he said, never have we so hurt and mistreated our common home as we have in theast200 years. climate change represents one of the principle challenges facing humanity in our day. francis is the first pope to use scientific data to highlight
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climate change. that came in his second ensip cal which says that christians are misinterpreted scripture when it comes to how much control we have as humans on our environment. usher is in washington, d.c. with more on that. usher. >> it's a touch issue for some political conservative catholics who are forced to reconcile their political views with beliefs given that the view says global warming is largely a manmade problem. it's hard in areas of the country where the local economy is dependent on fossil fuels. we eent are recently traveled to coal country to talk about the views the pope have on climate change where it could have a more direct impact. wyoming is the top coal-producing state in the nation. 6500 people work in the mines, thoughs more depend on the industry. so it struck a nerve in june when pope prfrancis released an
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important document for catholics pointing to the negative effects of pollution and climate change and calling for a phasing out of fossil fuels. >> it will hit hard in wyoming, because the people support by the fossil fuels are blue collar workers that pope francis wanted to identify with. >> this professor teaches theology at wyoming catholic college. he worked in the mines himself and recognizes this message from pope francis may not resonate with many politically conservative catholics. >> there's a suspicion of science. there's a belief that science isn't a reliable judge or basis for evaluating these things because science can be bought is is a propaganda piece. the view of science and view of religion and philosophy, the other ways of obtaining truth are complementary, not opposed. >> still, a yale study this year
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found that wyoming is the only state where less than half the people believe climate change will harm future generations. here in wyoming coal production contributes about $1 billion in revenue annually to state and local governments. it's core to the economy. some say the pope's stance sparked a reexamination between the livelihood and religious obligations. michael felton a devout catholic worked in the mining industry for five and a half years. he left mining and moved north. >> he just wants to start the discussion, and i think it's a good discussion because environment or not, coal is not a renewable energy. >> felton says while pope francis has given clearer direction on climate change from the catholic perspective, the economic realities in wyoming may trump church doctrine for many. >> one thing he talked about is everything is connected. just because we're the ones producing the coal doesn't mean that the end product of turning
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your lights on, they're not as quote-unquote guilty as we would be. i think it would have to be a whole societal type of change to end the coal mines. >> it's a cause the pontiff continues to champion calling for an eco-logical conversion of the faithful. john, climate change is expected to feature prominently in pope francis' address to congress this week. we've heard that one republican congressman from arizona intends to boycott that address because of the pope's views on climate change. we've also heard this week from catholic university, notre dame says in response to the pope's stance on climate change they have decided to stop burning coal for electricity. it will be interesting to see how the vast numbers of people traveling to washington, d.c. to see the pope will receive his message on climate change when he delivers it directly. >> all right. thank you very much. as we watch those pictures, these were just -- let's go back to them. these were just shown moments ago where the pope stepped off the airplane. there we go. the pope greeting the first
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family, the president of the united states, and the vice president and dr. jill biden going inside for a little talk. now the pope has got in a car and heads to washington, d.c. for probably a relatively quiet evening. for many people, this is a chance to get their message to pope francis. among them the group called 100 women 100 miles. they walked to washington to call attention to immigration reform. jonathan betz met them on the way. he's in washington, d.c. with more on that. jonathan. >> reporter: without question immigration is a big concern for pope francis and a big concern for this group of women behind me here. they just completed a very long journey, 100 women that marched 100 miles for immigration reform. they began this journey about a week ago outside a detention center in rural pennsylvania. they've been walking every day since ending their trip here in washington, d.c. to coincide with the pope's arrival on u.s.
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soil. they're gathering behind me here after holding a small prayer vigil outside of the basilica we're standing in front of. this is the place where tomorrow pope francis will be and will canonize america's first hispanic saint. so for these immigration activists here, they see in pope francis a lot of hope and a lot of strength. among these women marching is a woman named pillar molina who has a personal story about immigration. she came to this country i will leely as a child and so did her husband. he was arrested a short time ago just for being here illegally. here's their story. on this journey these women are led by faith and family. what do you hope is heard? >> to top deportation. to stop separating families. to stop all this suffering that's going on.
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>> pilar is among 100 women marches 100 miles to washington, d.c. her journey began years ago when her parents brought her illegally from mexico when she was 7. she built a life in the u.s., married, had two daughters and started a small tortilla business outside philadelphia. all of it nearly collapsed when immigration arrested her husband two years ago. >> my hope, my faith in godful never, ever, ever lost it. >> because molina arrived in the u.s. as a child, she's considered a dreamer and allowed to stay under an obama administration directive, but her husband isn't and it was especially difficult for their two young girls. ask the eldest caitlin about her mother. >> she's strong and brave, i guess. >> suddenly tears start falling. >> you know, like, i don't know. >> at 11 she already understands strength and sacrifice. after five months he was allowed
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to return him, but his case is still ho open. >> as you march her and join this group, are you worried about your naem? >> yes, because my husband still has a hearing coming up. he still could get deported. >> reporter: so these women are marching past us here. the journey isn't quite over. they have a few more miles left to go where they rally at a park near the white house later this afternoon. as you can imagine, 100 miles in about a week here, an exhaustive journey, but for many here their bodies may be wary but their faith is strong. many excited about the pope francis arrival today. his message tomorrow. the pope will be speaking to congress on thursday where he's expected to encourage congress to take up immigration reform, a cause very dear to many of these lives here. these women directly touched by the immigration debate, and so with him they hope he will give them a sympathetic ear and certainly, john, a much larger
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voice. >> we will see. jonathan, good to see you. we'll get back in a moment. i want to go outside the nunsiarure where the pope is getting ready to arrive. pope francis is outspoken about the need to do more. in 2014 he said god will judge us upon how we treated the most needy. yerlier this near he said we can't allow the met terrainian become a mass cemetery. francis called on more countries to open their doors to refugees. last year he criticized conditions on the u.s.-mexico border calls it a humanitarian emergency. let's bring back sally quinn and patrick horne back to talk about
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this. sally, the pope's been outspoken on immigration before. what do we expect he'll say about it to congress? >> well, i expect he'll be very strong on this subject. you know, it's only our issue in the united states has been exacerbated by what's going on in europe and the syrian refugees coming in to turkey and greece and then on up into germany. so he's got that to deal with. then he's got the situation in this country, and we're going to have to be taking in now i think 65,000 refugees from europe, from syria. so the pope is very much in favor of that. he's in favor of not separating families and giving amnesty to people who are here. he doesn't want anymore suffering. he doesn't want people to be poor. he wants people to have jobs and to be able to work.
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he also is very much -- he feels very strongly that we are a wealthy and prosperous country, and it is our duty to take people in from less prosperous countries where the people can't afford to live and where they're starving to death. this is one of his strongest ideas, and i think that he's going to speak out and i think it's going to upset a lot of republicans. >> yeah. the pope, patrick, is a descendant of an immigrant family himself. how does this play into this? >> absolutely. the pope has that experience in his life. he's committed to the idea that every human being is of equal dignity in front of god. he talks about something that on his first visit outside of the vatican he called the globalization of indifference. meaning the way the global economic culture makes some people be valued less. he's very committed to that when it comes to immigration. the pope wants to make sure that policies treat people as people, not as americans or syrians or
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over. for this pope everyone is equal in the eyes of god the. >> all three cities have made security arrangements for mon s months. it's an enormous undertaking. paul is outside madison square garden across the street with more on that. paul. >> reporter: pope francis is known as the people's pope, which makes him something of a security nightmare. the secret service is not saying how many officers are involved in this operation, but federal officials are saying that it is one of the biggest security mobilizations in american history. this is what makes protecting pope francis such a challenge. his habit of breaking way from his security detail to be with the people. on his visit to the u.s., the vatican security force, the swiss guard, will be beefed-up by a battery of u.s. agencies
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coordinated by the secret service. the pontiff begins his tour in washington, d.c. where streets within a three-block radius of the capitol will be shut down for the pope's speech to congress. after washington the pope travels to new york city where thousands of police and federal agents prepare for the pope's visit but also at the same time for the u.n. general assembly. >> we believe that this event is going to be the largest security challenge that the department and this city have ever faced. in addition to the pope, we will have 170 confirmed world leaders in this city during the period of time of the general assembly. that's 90% of the world leaders in this city at one time. >> major streets will be shut town during the pope's two-day tour of new york, and the pontiff won't be riding around in his normal popemobile. instead he will cruise in a modified jeep wrangler. the last city he will visit is
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philadelphia where he's expected to draw a crowd of 1.5 million people for the festival of families. security fences have already been put up, and extra surveillance cameras put into place. security experts say every tool available is being used. philadelphia is the venue where there are going to be the most people. it's the venue where if things can go wrong, it would be here because it's outdoor and because there's millions of individuals. in all three cities the faa is restricting the air space and banning drone flights. anyone hoping to get close to the pope will have to leave that selfie stick at home. john, one of the questions here for protecting this pope from who wanted to move around so freely is how to interpret with crowds. all along the motorcade routes there will be tents set up for people that are vetted and checked to make sure they don't center weapons or explosives can interact with the pope as he
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drives through the city. >> he'll be at u.n., ground zero. where else is he going to visit? >> he's got a full agenda, john. let me consult my cheat sheet. st. patrick's and the u.n. and the memorial and harlem to meet children. back downtown through central park. the motorcade will go through central park to madison square garden for a mass. busy day. >> michael is the president and managing director of redland strategies, a security consulting firm. michael, you were the ny homeland security adviser during pope benedict's visit. give us a sense of what sort of challenge this is to protect this pope? >> the good news is they know this was coming. what you've had is this coordination between the secret service, between local law enforcement and state and federal assets.
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how do we make sure that all of the things that have happened are going presumed to script? you want to anticipate what the threats might be, develop countermeasures for them and make sure to the extent possible, it's impossible to eliminate risk but certainly to manage it and diminish it. >> this is not a pope that stays inside a sealed pope mobile. he gets out, and he gets among the crowd and he shakes hands. this is the worst nightmare for security, isn't it? >> yeah. but it's not unique when you think about. political protectees want to shake hands and kiss babies. it's always a challenge for the secret service. they have always dealt with that problem. here it's the scale and size of the crowd he's going to address. he's the type of person that wants to get right in the middle of a crowd. it's one thing to be along a parade line but to be in the middle of that. >> madison square garden
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security for every event there, but this is stepped up the max, right? >> it is. one of the things we see here is the threat environment is as unique since 9/11. you've isis having said they want to put the isis flag over the vatican. you have this homegrown guys that decide they're going to get involved in this. it's also an opportunity for people to express their anger at the church. >> it's interesting, the pope has said, look, it's in god's hands. i know people might hurt me, but i'm going to do what i want to do. to some extent clearly there has to be a rational discussion about this and some fight between the vatican and security in the united states. who wins those? >> well, always bill bratton said this morning, it's balance between letting the pope do what he wants to do in terms of mission of coming here and spreading his message. at the same time, keeping him safe, and so how do you do that in a way not so intuesdayive but
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effective? that is the art of this protective detail. >> we just mentioned drones. i mean, how do you know that there aren't drones up ahead? you can't control everything, right? you try to. >> so drones pose a particular challenge. time, space and distance does not work for the target. when you have an aerial vehicle that can come out of nowhere and carry a payload. there are countermeasures in place they're going to use. it's complex in a city like new york, washington and philadelphia. >> how do you keep him safe along the motorcade? >> what you do is make sure that you plan out the route and knowing exactly where they will be. you put in undercover officers and have really good surveillance to the extent you can make sure who is coming in ahead of time, you do that. facial recognition. a lot of this is a deterrent effect. >> we don't see the pictures of the motorcade, so we don't know the route they're taking. we can see where he's going to arrive. these folks are penned in.
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are all those people screened that get that close? >> no. particularly in a public route like that, but at the same time, you know, you have people among them who are going to say, loo look for people who have weapons and see if they're acting in a strange way. even that is a challenge because of the emotion evokes in individuals. you don't know what someone is feeling because of grimace or joyce of their face. >> you have the u.n. general assembly at the same time the pope is visiting new york. that's just a nightmare, right? >> the u.n. general assembly occurs every fall in new york. there have been times when it's been a huge challenge, but this, of course, adds a level of complexity and a concentration of risk. a concentration of risk that's really unparalleled. >> good to see you. thanks very much for your insight. on wednesday pope francis will elevate june that to sainthood. he's credited with bringing
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catholicism to california and founding the network of missions, but his canonization is sparking a bitter controversy. melissa khan is in carmel, california where sarah is buried. melissa. >> reporter: well, john, it's very interesting because the father is a major historic figure for the state, pretty much in every school and every public education system in the state. children study this historic figure. he built a change of missions along the coast of california like the one behind me. part of the criticism is from the native-american population, because with the missions came a lot of pain and suffering for the indigenous populations of california. essentially the mission system forced native populations into christianity and forced baptism and there was the forced work on missions. so a lot of people say that was essentially like slavery. with the arrival of the spanish
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colonizers was disease. a lot of populations were wiped out. why is pope francis turning someone into a at a time that brought pain and suffering. you see that from the native populations. they're very opposed john. >> how did pope francis and the church respond to such criticism? >> pope francis did respond. he was in bolivia earlier this summer, and he was in front of a group of indigenous peep and he poll joized on behalf of the church and on behalf of what the spanish did. whether that's enough and he did fall short, of course, of changing his mind on the sainthood, whether that's enough for native-american groups is another question. some people have probably been satisfied as a result. but not all of them. some of them are still planning on protesting. >> any action expected by groups opposed to the st.hood over the next few days? >> we do expect a number of
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groups to protest outside these missions in california during the cannonization wednesday aftr local time. here at carmel mission we've been in touch with groups. they plan not a very raucous protest by any means but a vigil, a prayer protest. they have been in touch with the church to let them know that they will be outside tomorrow. john. >> we'll be watching. melissa, thank you very much. stay with us for complete coverage of pope francis' visit to the united states. we'll be right back after this.
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pope francis arrived in the united states less than an hour ago. he stepped off his airplane in maryland and the president and the vice president and their families were on hand to greet him. the pope has no public events scheduled for tonight. he's going to take it easy in washington as he gets ready for a major, major trip. he's en route to the vatican's diplomatic residence called the nunciature in washington. taking a closer look the 78-year-old was born hour lay
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mario bergoglio in argentina. he served as cardinal in argentina from 2001 to 2013. in march of that year he became the 266th pope of the catholic church. he succeeded pope benedict xvi. he chose the name pope francis after st. francis of assisi, the patron st. of animals and environment and also known historically for giving up a wealthy life to live in poverty. let's go to mike viqueira at the white house as we watch those peep waiting for the pope to arrive. he'll be in the nation's capital for two full days. take us through the schedule. >> it's a full schedule, let's go outside the nunciature on embassy row, massachusetts avenue if you're familiar with it directly across the street from the vice president's residence at the naval observatory. in that crowd i feel certain that there are supporters as well as many who are protesting.
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there's one man who had a vigil outside that nunciature for years protesting against pedophilia among the priesthood. a fascinating biography of this pope with a chemistry student at one time and a bar bouncer before he heard the calling for the church. let's go through the schedule very quickly. tomorrow morning an arrival ceremony much like you're familiar with for state visits. president obama will welcome the pontiff to the white house at about 9:30. the two leaders will meet in the oval office and we'll be afforded a live picture of them walking that way through the rose garden. later this is the best chance to see the pope if you're in the area. a mini parade around the white house grounds along the national mall briefly before heading just uptown here a few blocks to the church of st. matthew the apostle. this is the seat of the washington archdiocese. he'll speak to a group of bishops there, and a lot of people will listen closely to
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what the pope tells the bishop. he'll have prayers there as well. in the afternoon he canonizing a saint. no shortage of controversy there, but the first time a saint will be canonized on north american soil to say nothing of the other landmarks that represents. he will have a mass at the ba l basilica of the national tlien of the immaculate conception there where he will speak in spanish. many expect him to address the issue of immigration there. then on thursday morning a very much anticipated event. a speech to a joint meeting of congress. everybody wondering whether he's going to be taking on a lecture tone or at least interpreted that way by many conservatives and perhaps those on the other side of the aisle as well. everybody has something to agree with and disagree with this pope it seems on the political realm. he'll visit downtown washington east of the white house at st. patrick's church. a beautiful understated church and sanctuary there before heading next door to catholic charities. he's going to meet with refugees
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and immigrants. a lunch with hundreds of poor people. then in the afternoon, john, he heads to new york city and you've heard an outline from paul on all the events i taking place there. >> and then on to philadelphia. we're waiting for the pope to arrive here. talk about this joint session of congress. i mean, obviously, there's some that disagree, but how is this message, whatever his message is, if there are members of congress with different points of view, how is his message likely to be received? politely? >> i think the one thing you talk to experts and people that watch this pope and perhaps those that know him as a cardinal in buenos aires. this is an individual no one expects him to hold back or change some of the messages that he's been giving. as we talked about earlier, john, this is an individual trying to emphasize the compassionate aspects of the church and the good works of the church and the advocacy for the least of us, the least of these.
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everybody it seems wants to find a political message in the spectrum of american politics to what the pope is saying. those that want to identify the pope as a liberal in the context of american politics are going to be sorely disappointed. he's not changing about all the value of the relationships with gays and the changes in the annulment process, for example. the pope in answer to the age-old rhetorical question, is the pope catholic? yes, emphatically so. he opposed abortion and divorce. there's something in that speech for everyone to like and something for everyone to dislike. we've seen one very conservative republican of the house of representatives from arizona, a catholic himself saying he's not going to attend and will boycott the speech because of what the pope wrote early in the summer about climate change. an individual who has castigated the so-called throw-away culture, the materialism in the
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world, that will be part of his message. >> mike, thanks. we'll keep the pictures up and see the kids waiting for the popes to arrive. let's bring back sally and patrick. what what are you looking forward to most this week with the visit? >> as you know, there's been nothing and ranker and terrible infighting in congress among the republicans and democrats to the point that they really are hardly able to get anything done. what i'm looking forward to and looking to see is if the pope can bring them together. susan collins, who is a republican senator from maine and a catholic, has said that she hopes we will be all be infused with the spirit of st. francis, which i thought was a wonderful quote. nancy pelosi also said that she hopes that they will all be inspired by his message of
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peace, compassion, and brotherhood. the pope has said himself that he thinks politics say lofty vocation, so i think if he compliments them all about how they are willing to be brothers and sisters together that it might actually do some good. we'll have to see. >> maybe a speech writer is listening. i believe they're about to pull around the corner in the motorcade, patrick. what are you looking forward to? >> sally is right. this is the first time a pope addresses congress. if we asked pope francis, he would tell you he's not here as a politician but someone who is coming to spread the message of jesus christ that he believes in. because of that, i think he's much more interested in people than in politics. he's the sort of person who's defended the rights of immigrants. he's defended climate change. not because he's a lefty or liberal but because he's convince that had god loves
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everybody. >> i might mention that the pope is pulling up. this is not what you would normally see with the pope. a big limousine, and he pulled up around all these big cars in a little fiat ready to get out for the evening. he's had a long few days already. what's in store for him foent? >> one of the things we forgot about this pope is he's a man in his late 70s. he has tremendous energy. he lost part of a lung when he was a young man. even despite that, he's just been an incredible force for energy in the catholic church. i think he's going to go and put his feet up. he has a very, very busy five days ahead of him with ground-breaking things, his address to congress and meeting with the world meeting of families. he's coming at a time when american catholics seem to really appreciate his message. they're divided by the message but appreciate the humidity lit, the fact he comes in a fiat and carries his own bag. this is a figure who many people
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look to when they think about their faith and who god is and who they believe in. he sparks something for them, john. >> he has a good night's rest before he embarks on quite a major journey through the united states and the owes coast of the united states as he steps inside. i just want to check. >> fran co-who knows milan notice made lunch for benedict. so maybe franco will deliver a big pot of spaghetti over there. he can put his feet up and have some spaghetti. >> yeah, yeah. clearly, it's a big day for washington, d.c., and then it will be a big day for new york and philly as well to watch this. i want to talk, patrick, a little bit about what will
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happen from a religious standpoint. we talk a lot about politics, but what's his religious mission here? >> it's a great question, john. officially the vatican is calling this an apostolic journey, which means this is the pope bringing the message of christ to people. i think what we're going to hear about are traditional catholic themes about human dignity and the fact that the pope believes that god regards each person with equal dignity. he's going to talk about mercy, and that's a fifrt theme for this pope. he doesn't want to present god as a condemning god but god as someone who loves and cares for and has mercy for people. that's part of the change in tone we're talking about. >> as i watch these pictures and think about the conversation, i wonder whether people who are not cat lick, why do they care about this visit if they're not catholic. >> this is a very inspirational man. i mean he is so authentic, and it's so clear that he genuinely cares about other human beings
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and that he is a truly person of faith. you know, so often i think a lot of people did not center that impression of pope benedict. so many of our religious leaders have let us down, have turned out to have what you call feet of clay. i think that people really look at pope francis and say, he is who he is. this is a genuinely decents human being. so it doesn't matter whether you're catholic or jewish. he's very popular among a lot of jewish people. he's very popular among hindus and muslims. people like him because he is a decent, kind, gentle, caring human being. i think that message comes across. >> i was going to mike viqueira in washington. mike, so really a quiet night, but i guess as you said a lot of
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people staying home tonight until the pope leaves. >> staying home tomorrow and thursday is more of the point. we've been warned about the nightmare the traffic is going to be for those that live here. we might add another opportunity to see the pope will be after the speech to congress on the balcony on the west front of the capitol or say a few words, clearly this is a pope for our times. although a time when people around the world are concerned with the wealth of the 1% and income disparities with the gap between rich and poor. here comes a pope emphasizes the traditional aspects of the church. a church that he criticized just before becoming pope was quoted as call it a self-reverential church and an icon krs clas and upsetting the administrative offices and curia as it's called
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and gender identity among those entrenched in the church. this is why he's popular, why there is this so-called favoritability gap. even though with a poor view of the church have a favorable view of pope francis. he's saying and doing the things. >> i might mention as we look at the pictures of the pope washing with the president of the united states, there wasn't a lot of pomp and circumstance as he made his arrival into the united states. it will be a big week. mcvicmike viqueira, thank you v much. sal kwi and peter, we'll talk to you later on. thank you very much for watching. that does is for our special edition, pope francis in america. we'll be back with a full line-up at 7:00. i'll see you at 8:00 eastern time for our primetime newscast. see you then.
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