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economy? yes, by the joe biden, say fighting inflation is your top domestic priority. so can you bring down the cost of living and what is keeping india in the dom? counting the cost on out as yeah. for going to make sure that the secure, the spent for future generations. we need to learn to love the people who voted for things that we might disagree with everything as a toxic mouse, what we want as a transition out. but you know what we have is an addicted society. and the fossil fuel industry continues to push those addictions. this is a moment for us not to adjust to things that are so fundamentally unjust. hulu has the co would. 19 pandemic made you rethink your lifestyle with. this is a dress rehearsal for the climate breakdown. how
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it says slaying south africa, apartheid whom he has scaled oil rigs and protested from the arctic ocean to the alberta. tarzan with bo go with known. i stood in opposition against colon uranium mines damn projects and oil pipelines. now like i'm standing here is a matter of choice. i'm same here as a matter of necessity. boone, ah, this is an opportunity for system be designed. what listens, can we learn from indigenous not, ah, i want to see what
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a new economy will look like. and how people can take power over their future. i'm eager to speak about this and more with winona wants to do b unscripted. ah . you know, it's a great opportunity and a privilege to be here with you. we are, are in a very colonial city and our were a couple of anti colonialists. so we both come from a long histories of, of british colonization. i would say, and i here we are to talk about the future in, in some times times of tremendous chains. and i think that we just had the, had a big conference in glasgow so wonderful to be with, you know, not a think that's what the cop 26 as just shown us recently,
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is that we are still stuck in fundamentally a colonial mindset. and in terms of colonial power dynamics, because what we had out of cop 26 was basically a sentiment that says the lives of people in the pacific and other small island states don't matter. in the least developed countries don't matter. and the difficulty it seems, is that those with the largest amounts of power in the conversation are not willing to recognize that the mistake the made after the global financial crisis, which was the approach was system recovery, system protection and system maintenance. but what should have been done then and what is even more urgently needed now? is system innovation? systems design and system transformation? i should just say, none of us should be too surprised though,
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by what happened in the negotiations in glasgow because the shocking truth is, do you know which was the largest allegation that attended? no harm, neither. it was the fossil fuel industry. oh wow. and they looked that $503.00 lobbyists. no, you should always have the dealer at the table. well, i feel like what we're talking about as late stage addiction behavior. exactly. frankly. i mean, you know, i mean, i lived as you have of the fossil fuel era my entire life and i'm looking for a graceful transition out of it. i don't want to crash my way out where i can't drink the water and i can't read the air and everything is a toxic mass. what we want as a transition out, but you know, what we have is an addicted society and you know, and the fossil fuel industry continues to push those addictions. you know, i heard someone talk about the colonial imagination versus the indigenous imagination. and the colonial imagination can only figure out, like within this box. and it can't get to the place where we need to get to where
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it's more than just the rights of corporations. you know, and it's more than just the rights of, of 1st world people. but it's also like what about the rest of the world and what about the relatives, whether they have wings or fins, or roots or pause? you know, that's how you survived. may be jeff bezos and elan must think they can make it without the rest of us. but the rest of us know that we are part of this world and that opportunity is here to make a change no time like the present a slut. i figure like an absolute and it appears that glasgow did not bring the change. imagine the alcoholics anonymous via global conference and the biggest delegation to the conference was alcohol and destroy all in the past. a big anti slavery conference. and the biggest delegation was slave owners. by the way, that's what it was. that's why slave warner's got compensation. and those were slaves with no compensation. and this is how the climate negotiations are going. and now, you know,
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people like myself when we look at where we get inspiration from. and i think that the inspiration right now is coming from young people, but it's also when you're looking at bodies and knowledge. indigenous wisdom teaches us the way out of this miss. because unless you manatee can none to coexist with nature in a mutually interdependent relationship, you know, we're not going to be around for that much longer than i'll slick to tell people to worry about saving the planet. but because actually for continue on the suicidal path we on, we will destroy soil, destroy water, warm up the planet. and results is we will be gone as a species now and, and one plants will be battery and, and then and once we become extinct the oceans lu, cover the photos will grow back and so on. and the struggle therefore, has to be understood as a saving our children and the children's futures. you know,
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every living being had some original instructions. we would say men over modesty when take only what you need, leave the rest. be mindful all your relatives, you know, understand the craters law is higher than the laws of nation states or municipalities and even the participants in cops. you know, you could say whatever you want, but in the end we all got to drink the water. we all got a breather air. we all had those instructions. indigenous people, you know, we are 4 percent of the world's population, and we're 75 percent of the world's biodiversity list. what we need is to return to some instructions that, that say, this is how you live. you live being mindful, you live being conscious and you protect, you know, mother earth and not the rights of corporations. i mean, this is why you need things like the rights of nature, you know, versus over the rights of corporations. my observation are no few see, but i see like catastrophes of biblical proportions. yeah, i mean, right? yeah, there's, you know, fires and hurricanes and tornadoes and the oceans are rising. and then, you know,
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a pandemic and, you know, in the history the world pandemic voice for societies to change. this one is no different. you know what aaron, dottie roy says as it's a, it's a, it's a portal between one world and the next. and inasmuch as the financial crisis of 2008 was a pretty clear opportunity to acknowledge that the economic systems are, you know, made up and are failing. this moment is certainly a time when we, when we can and, and in many ways many of us have reset. i think we are facing her a worse disease than covert 19. and that disease is a disease we could call affluenza. and this is the sister where people have been led to believe that a good and meaningful decent, happy life comes from more and more and more material acquisitions. and i think that unless we look at bodies of wisdom including, i think again, this is something we learned from indigenous culture. is that
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a good meaning for decent life comes from how we engage with nature or we engage with our families, the quality of our relationships and our friends and neighbors. all of which aggressive casino capitalism as actually decimated thread or does this is a need to load with you in entirely. i mean our teachings as a nation are bay. people are mental commodity. when, when obama is you in, which means the good life doesn't mean how much stuff you have said. yeah, you know, but there's this constant barrage that you need more, you need more, you need more and you'll feel better. and the factors is that people don't feel better be, you know, americans are pretty unhappy overall and getting more stuff just means you have to pay money to store it from what i can bigger. so know people who don't necessarily think like you and i do will will, will listen to us speaking and say, well, oh, this vision is so far from what the mainstream vision of society is. right. okay.
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you and i have been around for more than 4 decades in the struggle for justice or and sometimes i don't know, i feel, given how much of effort one put in that term. why we should have made much, much more progress. but the forces of resistance to change are so powerful. but the something i feel in this moment that i've never felt before bad as things are now and things actually are looking much worse in terms of extreme with events, deepening inequality, rise of fascism and so on. and unfairly, of democracy. but there's something very optimistic for me in this moment and i want to see how you feel about it. and that is, i don't remember at any time in my history of trying to work for justice. is that the so many people will believe that there's a possibility, the sty,
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brown for major structural and systemic change. but simply what all governments to all the time, which is the arranging, the dick chism, the titanic world. humanity sings baby steps in the right direction. when what is needed to speak change? does that resonate with what you're hearing with people in your circles? yeah, i mean, the fact is, is that the systems are failing. i mean, if you look around the united states, which, you know, is the country which levied itself upon me. you know, you're looking over there and you have political crisis, a pretty big proportions. i mean, you had an insurrection in january, right? and you and then you have, you know, economic systems that fail, you have judicial and legal systems that failed us. you know, have failed us consistently. and you have food systems and energy systems that fail in climate change. i mean, what is clear is that if you want to survive, you need local energy. you know, if you're expecting the grid is going to protect you, ah, the big disasters of climate change related disasters are going to take down your
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grit. so so that, that's the message of the power. yeah. in our, in planning moving forward, we need to go to a more decentralized approach. and we, we put capability in control with local communities because that's only way we can get it done. i mean, i'm a say, said then to you that you know, which is empire is overrated. with what i'm saying, the bigger you're get, that's great. but you know, what is that is that at the local level is where you got to eat, you know, at the local level as where you're going to need your solar garden. that is on collectively at the local level is where you get a need some, a central manufacturing with just and fair trade relations, you know, between yet because, you know, in indigenous model is a model of biodiversity. is a model of agro biodiversity is a model cuz indigenous peoples, 5000 languages are not about building empire thereabout reaffirming relationship in
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place. and that is what is missing. you know, with this industrial society as there is no relationship and, and reciprocity with, with the world that create us, you know, the, the problem we have is the information environment with which we are operating. right? because i would put to that probably they're more people that are more comfortable with imagining the end of the world as we know it and all of us disappearing off this planet than he imagined that the end of capitalism. that because that's how the power of the narratives we've been fed, you know, like, that's only system that works when clearly sunk will write for the overwhelming majority. so for me, activism is, is primary an act of love and courage. right? that the activism is about saying, we look at the world and re, to fuse to accept that this is the best that humanity concrete for its own hulu. and one of the anxieties i have about activism today is that far too often we,
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our energies are going towards just surviving because the depression is becoming so heavy against us and so on. and consolidating the people that already support the need for decency and the need for sustainability and respecting human rights. but i think that we don't have a choice tally if we're going to make sure that we secure this planet for future generations. to also say we need to learn to, for example, of the people voted for trump or love the people who voted for bricks or love, the people who voted for things that are we might disagree with because i think that we need to also recognize that they are also victims that they have been victims of lies, deceit, mis information and so on. and we have to build a bridge. so in case it show charee, wrap it up there and go and take some questions from the audience. hi,
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call me and i, we know anna and jenny from fiji in the pacific. ah, my question is pacific indigenous b barbarian that brand of the impacts of climate change. we are experiencing displacement of our homes and our livelihoods, and our knowledge in support systems. how can she ties to the land, an ocean and a threat, but the current is causing climate change in bank doesn't give voice to our cultural identity and the relationship we have with nature that has been threatened by this climate. imagine, see, how can we center this within the global climate change this course that seems to be dominated by financial and corporate posturing. i had the opportunity to be in kimmy bus, fiji and van o r 2 in 2015 and definitely felt what she said in a very deep puzzle. where stayed with me since. and i want to be blunt about it the
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way we center this is 1st about naming the problem that we f claim at about it, right? that because those parts of the world that contributed great us to the problem are not those parts of the world like the pacific that is suffering the 1st and the most brutal impacts of climate change. and we need to recognize, therefore, that the conversation around what happened at cop $26.00 or we understand it. we have to understand that in fact, it's been a complete betrayal of small island states for the folks in the pacific for earth, people in coastal legions. these developed countries and so on. and our, your question was how do we sent it, right? and i think that we know now referred to that implied that actually we cannot solely rely on the current systems that exist, which are broken in multiple ways. we can actually now start building new systems
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from below and start creating a ways of doing agriculture, protecting a water sources, or we relate each other and so on in a much more decentralized, bottom up way. and i think because those in power know that the systems that they are defending, i indefensible, that if we can organize better amongst ourselves and generate examples of how we can do things better. i think that if eventually, or that message is going to permeate in a context where the dominant leaders in political formations and in the dominant business or community actually know that what they are speaking is to see bankrupt . i, i, i would agree, i think that they know, and i also say, you know, i just want to give my heart out to pacific islanders and you know that you are entirely reliant upon your mother, earth and your, and your ocean for your life. you know,
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a lot of what we do is in recognizing the situation that you are in is the same situation. we are in and, and, you know, the, the, the better we can do to stop a tar sands pipelines. the better for you, you know, i mean, that is my goal. you know, i've, i spent 8 years fighting a pipeline that they just put in, you know, it's a crime against mother earth. it's a crime. you can't bring more oil out and pretend that it's going to work out. you bring it out in, in, in canada, you burn it in the united states. it's going to show up in the pacific. you know, so all we do is, is, you know, knowing that our community is related to your community and, you know, been good prayers for you and your community. i answered, you know, i'm actually from, by the standards to being in the united states who are saying that the inequality, consumerism, new liberalism, and i'll dissimilar to the crime climate crisis. so like, how do you imagine a different future without are these are asked?
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so our daily lives in, or just remember that, like the world we live in now is not the world that we had all this time. this is like the past, i think of 200 years of very bad decisions past a 100 years. very bad. you know, i mean the advent of fossil fuels, acceleration, the rise of the fossil fuels, agriculture system, and the toxic militarization. it's kind of like being on steroids. you know, fossil fuels puts you on. steroids makes it a lot bigger and a lot faster if you can get rid of some of the amnesia that you get from a bass of fossil fuels injection. and remember that there's a way to live. that is a little bit more simple that has more relations with your, your, with your relatives that are close, you know, then, then you've got a better shot. because the fact is, is that a globalized economy is predicated on a lot of fossil fuels. you know, i can get a shrimp that was raised in scotland, d veined in china, and arrives at a wal mart near me. you know what i'm saying? as is like, that's too far for a shrimp to travel. you know, maybe we,
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we rebuild things that are a little more local. there's many tools you know, i had, i know qu me, might have a better answer for this better. you know, i just think shrimpton travel, well, i think the issue of, oh, fall food travels is part of the kind of change that we need to made. also, not only because of carbon, but because of quality route, because of freshness, because of health. and i am impressed that there are many young people and some older people in the global north who are beginning to recognize that actually the 200 years of so called civilization that was pushed on us. actually, it turns out to be pretty uncivilized. right. and the changes that we are seeking to make that i don't think their sacrifices sacrifice the fact that people are working 20 hour days, sacrifice the idea that people are working 3 jobs just to put the food on the table . but what you're seeing is that all over the world today,
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people are actually co creating from bottom up solution. beal solutions to real problems from providing energy to be thinking agriculture and so on. and the challenge for us right now is how do we pick up those examples? because the problem we have is we've got a, it do logical state apparatus almost. that is against us. you know, by, by that i'm meaning famous for education, fame for religion, social norms and custom are we found the arts and culture, but most critically, the famous for communications and media. so to day that you know, even being able to project new models and new ways of doing things is a challenge because we don't have enough capability to do that. so we have our next kristin already over to you. well, i'm based in, in the bronx. new york and the heritage last and part of to fly out of africa. and
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i really want to know i received in the planet, or at least even the economy when what is meant by this in relation to poor countries and would a new primary justice asks and policies allow for go. you know, i call this economy the wind to go economy the economy of a cannibal. it's a cannibal economy because it consumes its life force. it consumes everything which is around and turns it into products that are then sold for some profit. you know, i heard someone say that colonialism has the same route as the word colon, which is to digest. and i like, believe it is that the digestion of the entire world, you know, so now we're planet stuff. that's what someone said. we got more stuff that's human in the world, then all of the biosphere, like all the elephants and all the trees and the coral reefs. you know, you just gotta change your alliance from what you shopped for in a bottle to what you're gonna, you know, how you rebuild a place to, to, to read, localize on a world wide scale. there is, there is this resurgence. and that,
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and, and continuation of local farming of, of local health of local energy. and, you know, in this moment we see that that's better to survive. if you are counting on something coming in from china. probably have better shot. that's the real economy, you know, and that's the one that we actually all rely on because you know, as much as jeff bezos wants to shop in space. there's no food or water, you know, so best to best just make things good here. jeff. when i think that's a good point to wrap up this conversation or by bringing and martin luther king, another king speaking when i think it was a 4 month old baby. said my friends as a conclude most people want to note that in the feel of modern child psychology does a very dominant term called maladjusted. now all of us want to be well adjusted and
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not suffer from suits of fee no other mental illnesses. but my friends, i said to you, there are certain things in this world that are so unjust and immoral, that good decent people should refuse to adjuster. it goes on to then say, i never intend to adjust myself to religious bigotry, racial discrimination, mindless expenditure on military weapons. when people don't have food to eat. what are the economy says? i never intend to adjust myself to economic conditions or to take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few. but millions of god's children are smothering in an air type cage of poverty in an affluent society. and if that was relevant in the mid sixties in the us, it's a 1000 times more relevant there and sadly relevant across the world. but in a inspiration, node e call in the world to set up a movement that never was set up. he said, i call upon decent men and women around the world to set up a new international organization to be known as the international association for the advancement of creative mellow judgment. so to those folks over to those folks
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that big, maybe some of the things that we know now and i are saying are 2 of the day. this is what this moment cost for. this is a moment for us not to adjust to things that are so fundamentally unjust, right? valid and, and, and i think this is a moment for fresh thinking, creative ideas and so on. and we should make no apologies for putting forward ideas . that sounds different. transformative and so on, when in fact the current systems failing in every possible way, ah, moon, i was charged with a 1000 other people. i spent 3 days in jail fighting the canadian, multi national, and watched biden turn his back on us. how do you think we deal with the challenge of winning people over who have been led to believe that the current system serves
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