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" --with all due respect ♪ >> hello from our granite state studios at the radisson hotel in manchester, with just a week ago before the new hampshire primary. presidential races in both parties a rough it into an epic war of words on twitter and the campaign trail today. bernie sanders blasted hillary clinton in a series of tweets,
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challenging her progressive credentials more forcefully than he ever has in this campaign. on the republican side, over the last 24 hours the explosion has going after ted cruz, sarah palin, marco rubio, and donald trump have ganged up allegations that his campaign use deceitful tactics leading up to the iowa caucuses. on donald trump's twitter account, he charged that ted cruz illegally stole iowa. trump later deleted that tweed would put out a similar one without using the word illegally. ted cruz struck back. ruz: i think they are very funny. i wake up every day and laugh at the latest thing donald trump has tweeted because he's losing it. we need a commander in chief, in chief.terer we need someone with judgment
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and the temperament to keep this country safe. i don't know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button. >> what is the likely fallout of this back-and-forth? looks like ted cruz yesterday enjoyed a day in which without much interference. that is no longer going to be with us. i imagine he's going to resume the pummeling. we will see how well ted cruz withstands it. i was surprised that ted cruz was insinuating that donald trump is losing his might. ofafter trump accused cruz stealing iowa. he made other accusations about going after ben carson. four establishment
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candidates are delighting in this. trump numbers, according to the campaigns were doing private polling, they believe trump has come down from the 30's into the 20's. that means if they can bring trump down to earth and cruz can help bring him down, that means that someone else could finish a close second or first. people with big leads, bernie sanders are donald trump, you can say they have been ahead in new hampshire a lot, this state loves to take people in that position and twirl them to the earth. voters who have been waiting to put their thumb on -- donald trump could be in third place on tuesday night. mark: you have got to wonder if are thinkingz through the strategy that this fits into, because tactically
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they might think it's a good thing, but strategically i don't know it is in either of these guys interest to have this war. >> you have a situation where four of these candidates, any one of them is still in the zone where they are poised where they could theoretically leap into second place or even first. i think if those two guys beat each other up enough, they could create just enough room for one or more of the establishment guys to rise up. >> it does not take a great memory to remember the days that trump and cruz said they were friends. >> and where cruz said he'd not go after anybody personally. >> republican establishment candidates, rubio, are worried that young marco is writing a - riding a wave. today they started attempting to knock him off his surfboard.
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bush's campaign ran a full ad in the "new hampshire union leader" featuring an open leader from past republican senators of the florida house who had chosen not to endorse their fellow former sunshine state house speaker marco rubio, and who are instead backing jeb. a day after chris christie uncorked his bubble boy broadside against rubio, the new jersey governor was at it today at a town meeting in bow, where he attacked rubio and cruz by calling them first-term u.s. senators, which is both true and a euphemism for totally useless. rubio's momentum, which is kind of almost the big mo at this moment, can it be stopped? rubio has more momentum than the establishment candidates. all of these candidates are worried about whether they can stop it great he clearly has momentum. they're doing a combination of hoping that it dissipates, and
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thinking they can bring him down, christie being most aggressive with his classically memorable boy in the bubble yesterday. rubio proved in iowa when he was pummeled that he can float above it, and i think there's some possibility that there's nothing they can do to stop him from being the strongest establishment candidate. thought rubio, his response was pitch perfect. he said, chris had a bad day yesterday. let's move along. just let those guys yell at me, whatever. i'm on the rise. ofhought there was a lot composure there, and that is something we questioned about rubio. so far, we have not seen him buckle even a bit. >> rubio is the one of the four establishment who is not a governor. he is sort of the other brand. the other three guys are governors and all of them make the case of executive experience. rubio is making the case of new generation, foreign policy
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expertise. i believe at this point, all four of them could be the top establishment and a sure. you have to say that big mo matters more than all of these other factors. rubio proved in iowa that you don't need organization if you are doing it rubio style. >> it's a new word of campaigning in which donald trump campaigns in a totally different way in iowa and new hampshire. rubio is in some ways trumping that. as you say, all three of those guys have spent a lot of time here. one of them could climb up into rubio's orbit. with twop establishment candidates rather than them knocking rubio off the perch. too,uz could finish second but he's on schedule here. >> 48 hours later, the iowa
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caucuses have claimed the lives of four presidential campaigns. martin o'malley got out. mike huckabee got out, and today two moore, rand paul, and today it appears that rick santorum is joining that club. not a big surprise, the presidential field often winnows down after the caucus. rand paul is obviously the most significant. o'malley will of easily change the nature of the back-and-forth -- >> we have three straight nights of joint appearances between the two of them. a forum, a debate, and a deadly party dinner. >> the rand vote is a real thing. there is the libertarian bit out there, and for a candidate like actualz, that makes votes available, especially in
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new hampshire, where there is a strong libertarian streak. cruz can capitalize on that if he is smart. >> extraordinary operation that cruz has seen from the beginning, there's a crowded social conservative lane and those people cancel each other out. now you have a crowded establishment lane. ted cruz is able to say, does not have to compete with huckabee, does not have to compete for the libertarian wing, does not have to compete with santorum, and carson is highly diminished. that's a big advantage for cruz. a little struck me as odd that someone could compete in both the social conservative and libertarian lane. it's usually not compatible completely. somehow cruz managed to pull that off. it will be tested here. >> it is good for ted cruz and
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allows him to have a better chance than before. >> there's no doubt about it. when we come back, clinton classic, and how bernie sanders new secret service protection just might change his campaign. brian fallon from team clinton will be here on this set with these cohosts. ♪
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" reportedw york times that hillary clinton and her campaign are digging in and new hampshire, where bernie sanders
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has long held a healthy lead in the polls, instead of focusing their shift to the states were clinton is stronger. that decision is a triumph for one key clinton advisor, her husband bill. yesterday in nashua, andrea aboutll asked 42 similarities between bernie sanders campaign and barack obama's campaign in 2008. and perhaps, not surprisingly, the big dog barked. >> are you worried this could be a repeat of history the way obama upset her? >> it's very different. was almost no difference between them on the issues. there are dramatic differences here. >> you don't think bernie sanders is barack obama? >> no. no, i don't. barack obama is not bernie sanders.
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she and president obama had enormous overlap on what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it. and there are big differences in their positions on the issues. and now we are free to talk about this. southba is in columbia, airliner today. there's no doubt he will play a big role in the closing days of the new hampshire primary. time in memorial questions, always with bill clinton, that big role -- >> nothing more clinton classic and andrea mitchell on a rope line. you don't need to be the biggest clintonologist to see what is going on there. he wants to frame this fight, he believes hillary clinton has a chance to do well enough here to not suffer a big defeat in new hampshire whether she closes the gap completely or not. if i were a clinton person
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watching that, i would be concerned he's headed in the direction which might be successful but might, as happened in 2008, backfire. >> they are lucky in this case that i have an opponent whose wife -- no clinton can trash bernie sanders without getting accused of racism like he was often in 2008. that was a bill clinton where a lot was going on there. calculation, irritation, provocation, tactical, strategic, metta -- he is a free radical in this campaign and he can be an extraordinarily brilliant surrogate. he can also cause a lot of trouble. >> the clintons are correct when they say they are held to a tougher standard by the media, and bernie sanders does things all the time that if hillary clinton did them, she would be savaged. >> he's a former president of the united states. it's the way the world is. up is down. black is white. >> hillary clinton fired back
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by senatorsuggestion sanders that she is only a progressive quote, some days. clinton: i was disappointed yesterday. it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said in response to a question, well, maybe she's a progressive on some days. so i hope we keep it on the issues, because if it's about our records, i'm going to win by a landslide. the twoattle between democratic candidates did not and there. this afternoon sanders went on moster saying, quote, progressives i know don't raise millions of dollars from wall street and most progressives i know were opposed to the keystone xl pipeline from day one.
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breakoutt about this after a day of calm yesterday? waging anie sanders is very important fight here. it's not just that there are substantive differences. bernie sanders recognizes the democratic party of this century is not the democratic party of the 1990's. they can argue about what progressive means all day long. bernie sanders would say he's a liberal. hillary clinton will never publicly say what she is -- never say that she is a liberal. >> she has taken lots of his , and just as liberal on health care, etc. then she says he is not electable because he's too liberal. the dissidents their works to sanders' advantage. those tweets show that bernie sanders is ready to fight. the gestation period for the
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campaign is 9 months. it's going to be fascinating in their one-on-one contest over the next three nights here to see if he is in this game not tentative the way she will be. >> the things that people want to attack him for for being a socialist, all he has to do is say, what are the policies you want to call socialist, 80% of the party agrees with me on. >> today bernie sanders became the fourth presidential candidate in the field to receive secret service protection. being afforded protection by the service is a mixed lessing. it signifies pretty clearly that candidate, a serious but it also imposes constraints that can be annoying, especially for an insurgent and notably cranky candidate like bernie sanders. mark, my question for you, knowing bernie sanders as you do, how do you think he will
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handle his new secret service-ized lifestyle? last i can't remember the time a democratic socialist had secret service protection. operating,ay of freewheeling -- in your hotel room at night, going to the supermarket when you are back big -- he will have a adjustment. i do not think it will hurt his campaign. it helps with crowd control at times. sanders is like -- after a while of cameras being too close to him, he's like, get these guys out of here. the service will be up in his kitchen all the time and for a there's alike bernie, temperament issue. try to get him to smile more often, the service and proximity to him will be -- will make it harder to bring out the softer, smilier side because they will be on him all the time. >> he's not a wealthy man.
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he is going to appreciate how professional they are. the sanders campaign normally puts out their schedule later than anybody else. they will have to make decisions about where he is going much earlier because the service will not stand for last-minute scheduling. coming up, john kasich. ♪
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>> last time we had ohio governor john kasich on the show -- today was a bloomberg politics fest posted by our colleagues at the radisson in manchester.
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i can tell you for us, if we are not going we to be tracking around -- drag ging around like some band of minstrels that big people come to come -- beg people to come to our shows. we will make a hard choice. but we are not going to drag this out. i'm the governor of ohio. i have run a campaign, but we have listed the bar. there are people who come to our town halls who leave and say, i'm hopeful. i wasn't hopeful coming in. i am proud of what we have been able to do, but i've said all along if we get smoked here, i'm going home, never to see you all again. i hope. we have only five days to go. i'm not changing anything. no hail mary passes, no manic
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behavior. i'm having a ball. 500 volunteers in new hampshire -- you know why? because they sense a movement. they sense that there is something different here, there is selling more hopeful here, something more idealistic here. want to attach themselves to something bigger than themselves. it's not that i am that great a guy, it's just that there is a sense -- why are sanders people looking at me? it's because they sense there is something bigger here, something they can believe in. contrary to what people think, i think hillary will be a strong candidate and if our party underestimates her, they are making a terrible mistake. conservative. somehow people want to put out this notion because i care about my tone is good, because i care about the mentally ill, the drug addicted, the working poor and members of the minority community, that somehow this disqualifies me as a
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conservative, i will come to what you ask. if a conservative republican party does not care about people who live in the shadows, we will fail. now to talk about this morning is none other than the "bloomberg view" columnist and friend of the host of the show, albert hunt junior. john kasich -- things got a little testy, a little tense. how do you think he did? thought he did well. i'm not sure that he thinks that. the exchange is helping a bit. he can be a testy guy. a show that today, but he was pretty candid about who he is. we tried to get him to criticize rubio. i think john kasich -- i'm not sure what will happen.
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if you look at those independent new hampshire voters, he pitched the profile pretty well. >> if he does not do well, do you think he will have felt that he got to be himself and present himself to the voters and they him, or in the mood for has he fallen short of how he wanted to come across? al: it's more of the former. he has pretty much been himself. this is only for policy. what has the republican party talked about for the last 4, 5 years? legend deficits. he's the only candidate who has put out a tax budget proposal and balanced budget proposal. none of the others have done it. about what heked would do. but the case of numbers actually at up. -- add up. >> has grasped a fundamental truth, in which grievance and anger has been on the rise, he just went the other way.
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let the chips fall where they may. if the party is up for that, they will come around. were just a kid, i was covering ronald reagan. the thing that was remarkable about ronald reagan, he was very conservative. he was can-do. and that is what john kasich is talking about. >> thank you to al hunt and john kasich. up next, brian fallon right here at this table. if you are watching us in washington, you can listen to us on bloomberg 99.1 fm. ♪
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we're already looking
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beyond the primary at something that's quite interesting. look at what is coming up on the political calendars both parties and why doing well here is so important. starting with the democrats, let's say that hillary clinton loses here in the new hampshire primary on tuesday. that means she will have to wait a long time before she gets another chance to have a victory and turn the page. there's a democratic debate two days after the primary. that would be on thursday. you have to wait all the way to the 20th for the next democratic contest in nevada. is a long time. if hillary clinton does orlie here or whoever loses -- if clinton does poorly here, we will have to wait a long time for the implications of that. john: if sanders were to lose , and he has been expected
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to win for so long, but hillary clinton, you keep hearing from her people, we are strong in nevada and south carolina. you have new hampshire on the ninth and a debate on the 11th. mark: that still nine days. until aen nine days race that hillary clinton is confident she can win. bernienine days where sanders is just going to be on a roll if he wins here. one raising, lots of media attention, all that. mark: if she gets blown out here, those nine days, and the 11 days from new hampshire through nevada will be an eternity. every day bernie sanders will be raising money and getting attention. it will be a horrible stretch for her. there is a big difference in
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losing it by seven or losing it by 17. the nevada caucuses will --er get as much attention ,he might put a w on the board but she will probably do well there. the south carolina primary is a full 18 days after the new hampshire primary. she has to wait 18 days to get to south carolina. that is a long time. mark: put up the republican schedule, i want to say one thing about that. the south carolina republican primary is also on the 20th, but that will get way more attention. close or to keep his she will wait a long time for a meaningful w. a big debate have
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four days away in greenville, south carolina on the 13th, and then you have of all week. everybody is going to be in south carolina. everyone will be focused on that. a lot of republican candidates presumably still be in that race. it has more accurately predicted more presidents than any of the others, especially iowa. the person that interval could be good for is marco rubio. presumably he will continue to that interval gives him a chance to raise money and get endorsements. usually anina is establishment state. if rubio can get lots of money, he can get endorsements and build up in south carolina. trump, even if he
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does well here, it's potentially a bad period. race where people are already starting to call each other crazy, you can imagine what it will be like then. coming up next, we talked to brian fallon, after this word from our sponsors. ♪
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mark: welcome back. tonight, just 13 miles from here, hillary clinton and bernie
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sanders will take the stage at a town hall for them in derry. joining me is brian fallon, not jimmy fallon. ryan: i am much funnier. john: there's a lot of back-and-forth between clinton and sanders over progressivism. senator sanders says he is progressive and clinton says she is a progressive who gets things done. would hillary clinton call herself a liberal? democratshave seen rally around the term progressive. think republicans have tried to turn liberal into a dirty word. progressive is a term that democrats proudly wear. john: is secretary clinton a liberal or not? ryan: she is a progressive who gets results.
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i think the policies he advances are liberal policies. we like the term progressive. what is something senator sanders is doing that you think should be getting more scrutiny and he should be held more accountable for? brian: i think it's appropriate and fair -- he is on pace to win the primary. surprised that for so many months, there were so few news organizations that traveled with him regularly. we've had a traveling press corps with us since april. i think there is a level of scrutiny that comes with having
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a pack of journalists travel with you. is there anything he has said or done in the last week that you think he should be held more accountable or not? think his health-care plan, he put it out on the eve of the debate, literally two hours before the debate. it is starting to get some scrutiny but there are a lot of groups that would do worse under his plan. for seniors, you would not improve your health coverage that much but you will end up paying more in taxes. an independent study that came out of week ago proves that. it's true for other populations as well. folks that are fully subsidized exchanges would not gain much under his health care plan. they would pay 9% more in taxes. right now their health care costs are almost fully subsidized. withhey would get socked
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the tax increase. that is true for a bunch of different populations. the affordable care act actually did deliver health care for millions of people that didn't have it. senator sanders sort of sidestepped that issue with his proposal. you would not deny that new hampshire is a hospitable state, right? john: this is a state that has been pretty good to the clintons. 2000 eight, really good to hillary clinton. she came here and did very well here. how is it plausible that we should not consider this an even contest? you guys like to dismiss his lead, but i would say the clintons have a lot of allies and deep roots here. why should they not be evenly matched?
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brian: there was a period after the first democratic debate and the benghazi hearing where you saw hillary clinton job in front. mark: what other factors besides the fact that burke on orders new hampshire -- that vermont borders new hampshire. brian: he is a known quantity here. why else is he leading in this state? brian: people have warm feelings about him here. i would also say that as is the case in the democratic primary in general, hillary clinton has been the subject of attacks from
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republicans who have been campaigning in new hampshire for the last several months. they do that in south carolina and other states, too. for theernie sanders past few weeks has not come under the same scrutiny. the negatives on him have not been explored. to suggestou trying that hillary clinton is not as known a quantity in new hampshire? over 20 years there is a lot of goodwill generated by coming over the border. our point is there is certainly a great deal of affection for hillary clinton, but there are warm feelings for bernie sanders, and he has consistently led. in the final weeks, we should not be surprised if he pulls this out. in one new hampshire
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primary she got 112 thousand votes. should we expect to see her get at least that many votes? brian: i don't know, i don't have a turnout projection for you. we will just have to wait and see. mark: who has more momentum, hillary clinton or bernie sanders? brian: i think he really needed to win both of these states to change the fundamental trajectory of the race. i think our win on monday, especially in a high turnout caucus like we had, actually deprives him of a path going forward. it will be hard to see if he could not win in iowa how he is going to win those caucus states in march to the degree he needs to with the amount of delegates. ifk: is there a difference she loses the primary by little versus a lot? brian: i will leave that up to you guys. -- i've seen some of the
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polls that have us down by 30. we have a chance to eat into that margin and have a good showing. has senator sanders become a better debater over the course of the campaign? how do you think the dynamic will be different without martin o'malley on the stage? brian: i think what we will probably see is what has been true out on the trail. will -- they have a good working relationship from their time in the senate, mutual respect. we don't want to see that eroded. as senator sanders campaign has started to fare better, i think their eyes are getting big and they are starting to get into the back and forth.
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this comment yesterday that he made where he suggested that hillary clinton is aggressive some days. that commente of he made to you guys about being vice president. it has a diminishing or demeaning comment. it speaks of condescension, and i don't think it will wear well if he continues to make it. being a you think socialist disqualifies you? brian: we will see. john: brian fallon, that was an awesome non-answer, but thank you for coming anyway. coming up, we go around the table. ♪
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>> have you made up your mind? >> no. >> not yet. >> i have not made up my mind yet. >> i'm just trying to meet everyone at the moment. >> i'm looking at christie, .runk, rubio, and trump >> every day i change my mind. this is my hope springs eternal for all these candidates. these were folks at a chris
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christie event. typical, a lot of people still making up their minds. our crack team of colleagues are here. thank you all for being here. margaret, being undecided in the republican race, the democratic race people are down to a choice of two. were you finding interesting as you talk to voters on either side? >> hillary clinton where her husband days -- gave his famous where the last dog died speech. the audience is interesting for a couple of reasons. most of the people i talked to have made up their minds. the younger people in the audience were bernie sanders fans. a couple of the voters i talked to said they felt the results would be much tighter than the polls suggest. they thought how close it was in
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iowa would scare the people who wanted to make a point with bernie into coming around to what they know they must do. i don't know if that is true. mark: i asked the clinton supporters if any of their friends were bernie supporters. >> there's like some weird geographic thing going on. who has more at stake in this race in new hampshire? >> i think hillary clinton has more at stake in new hampshire. she won the last time she was here and unless she manages to stage an upset, sanders is really expected to win. this is a white, sort of progressive state. working-class voters just adore him. that would be a pretty obvious situation unless hillary manages to come out.
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it will be up to nevada and south carolina whether senator sanders manages to gain enough hispanic and african-american voters there. he seems somewhat confident that it will pay off. brian's theory of the case is beenjohn kasich has not heard enough. that could give him the springboard to become the ump.rnative to tr he's counting on a superior ground game and the support of some of the legends here to carry the day. it's unclear if that will be enough, particularly with marco rubio coming out of iowa with so much momentum in that crowded field. will it be enough for john kasich to emerge?
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for a have cover this long time because you have been an ohio reporter. saying the others are the angels of darkness and i am the angel of light. have you seen him change? much -- have you seen him change much? the breakfastat this morning when he was challenged. i think he has tried to tone it down and he was wary of that an angryn that he is guy and whatnot. he wanted to come across more positive, particularly in the last few weeks, that has been , that he is the positive candidate. the argument he's trying to make his he is the adult in the room and the guide can count on to get things done. every night this week they have some event. tonight back-to-back town halls and tomorrow a debate on msnbc.
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do you get the sense it will stay in tents all the way through or will they go to their neutral corners? >> it could be a lot worse. to carve out her niche, what is the right spot in be as progressive realist lees he is, within her resume and that is a challenge he is facing this week in new hampshire. john: hillary clinton continues being thete between first female presidential candidate to win. >> i think when you see the turnout senator sanders got in iowa, and he did extremely well with younger voters. woment is framed to young
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in this historical light, i -- itmillennials will see will energize a lot of young women. back we will be right after this. ♪
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it's the end of another day and i have to ask you, who whine? marco rubio, none of the
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establishment candidate slowed him down, at least to my eyes. john: i give my winning of the day trophy to barack obama who visited a mosque. anytime you see a president grow a pair and do something like that, i think it sends a very positive signal of inclusion in this country. we track all the latest news on her campaign tracker including the $100 million worth of political ads in granite state airwaves. for from new hampshire tomorrow. until then, sayonara. ♪
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