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the u.s. geological survey says the 6.4 magnitude quake struck at 3:00 p.m. new york time, a time when the news agency reports to buildings fell and some pass -- guest types ruptured. there were no immediate reports of injuries. president obama says the unemployment rate proves his economic policies are working. puerto rico's governor declares a health emergency as more cases of zika fire is are reported across the u.s. territories. -- virus is reported across the u.s. territories. beens on condoms have frozen after two new cases of sexual transmission of the virus in texas. people watching "saturday night live" this weekend may think they are seeing double. the bernie sanders campaign says he will be in new york for an appearance on "snl." larry david will be hosting.
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first, to our lead. everdin sees its biggest decline, wiping $7 billion off their market cap since the company reported week earnings. analysts across the board lowered their price target, recommendation, or both. linkedin isn't the only company. it's been a downhill slide for the nasdaq, which closed down 3%. i went to bring in our bloomberg stocks reporter, r bloomberg intelligence analyst, and bloomberg's sarah frier, who covers linkedin for us. is this warranted? are these dramatic moves warranted? >> what is happening is a reset of the valuations. there is very little margin to
miss. if company forecast certain guidance, they can't miss in this type of environment. is ainvestors are seeing company like tableau, which relies exclusively on a license model, is driven by macro fundamentals. it will hurtig, companies that rely on license model. that is why all the companies are relying on subscription. subscription gives you revenue critic debility. in license case, you come across companies which can miss a quarter by a lot. emily: let's talk about linkedin specifically. talking about this since may reported. do the fundamentals of the business warrant a stock swing this big? >> if you think about the attitude that people had about stocks like linkedin last year, it was mostly euphoric. this company was going through some issues with its sales for sure and they had some business
units that had yet to show their full potential. now analysts are looking at it through a different lens. this is a company -- with tech stocks down for the year so far, that is going to be judged a lot more harshly. you are right, some of it is just looking at it through a more critical lens. linkedin for sure surprised people with its guidance for the year, reporting that its revenue wasn't going to be as high as people expected, but the fundamentals of the business did not really change as much as 40%. emily: at the same time, we are seeing these tech stocks dragged down. outesterday linkedin came after the market. traders had the entire night to ready their sell button. that doesn't just happen in a vacuum, when you see a tech stocks sell off that much and one with as much influence as linkedin can potentially have.
it will reverberate around the sector. alphabet/google, facebook -- it is a contagion effect. as was mentioned previously, people are resetting their thoughts on valuation. these are huge growth stocks. they are valued on what they will be doing down the road. if you look at tableau, they month eps of 12 times. emily: are we seeing a longer-term revaluing of tech? is aat you are seeing longer-term revaluing, and that's also an extension of the defense of rotation we are seeing away from these riskier tech stocks. aople are uncertain about million things right now, whether it is the escalating situation in china with economic growth slowing down or the strong dollar hurting multinational companies, there's a lot to be worried about. i would say these are the
early signs. i would wait for companies like salesforce to report. they have a subscription model. it's more predictable. if they miss, yes, we are in uncharted territory and you are most likely going to have a complete reset of valuations in tech across the board. emily: investors have the whole weekend to think again. what happens on monday? >> people will be watching futures trading when it opens up sunday night. people have said in the past when they have time to isonsider that buying redip a good opportunity here. we have seen cyclical bear markets in a lot of different sectors. earlier this week we were having the same discussion about financials. it might rotate into another sector, and there is a lot of speculation that we are perhaps at the end of this seven-year bull market. you both.nk
sarah, you are sticking with me. i want to talk about twitter. twitter saying it suspended more than 125,000 accounts since the middle of last year because they appeared to be promoting terrorism. sawcompany says it still the team monitoring reports on twitter and has been working with authority to investigate whether users who tweeted about terrorism were also involved in terrorist activity. we condemnd, quote, the use of twitter to promote terrorism and make it clear that this type of behavior or any violent threat is not permitted on our service. we have known for a long time that there were potentially tens of thousands of accounts linked to terrorism on twitter. why now? >> twitter has been sending executives to the same global meetings with government officials around the world that facebook has been too, that google and apple have been to. twitter is coming to the point where they have to say, we can
take care of this ourselves. you don't need to have control over the security of twitter accounts. the last thing we want to do is cede control to the government. they are taking a proactive stance now, rather than just reacting the way they have in the past, actually going through and using a strong delete button with these accounts. emily: how do they identify accounts that are being used by terrorists? is the government helping them? the government is definitely coming to them with requests, more requests than usual. they have noticed that the global nature of terrorism has gotten more embedded with how people use social media accounts, but also a lot of user generated complaints that come into twitter from accounts, the vast majority of times that
twitter blocks an account it is because people have flagged it, whether that is an account that is harassing or terrorism or some other reason. they have gotten a lot better at refining those reporting tools for their general user base over the last couple of years. interesting. sarah frier covers twitter and linkedin for us. thanks so much. market.p, a rocky ipo the actress and startup founder isn't fazed. we talking about jessica alba after the break. ♪
emily: getting from a to b may have gotten easier. uber is teaming up with amazon ai to help customers hail a ride with the sound of their voice. it is another example of how both companies are trying to expand. amazon and go has recently teamed up with domino's pizza and spotify. whatng with over -- uber, are you willing to do to own a piece of the startup? these wealthy investors have already committed about $500 latest round.r's joining me from san francisco is the ceo of share post.
here in new york, bloombergs alex barinka -- you have read this document cover to cover. no financial information, but some risk factors. what is in their? -- there? >> i will point out something on page one. it is called the new writers fund. they say the development of insights and big ideas is valuable to the investment process while incremental information flow is not to, basically saying we think this is the next big thing, we are helping you get into it. if you want all the data right now, you are not necessarily going to get it right people know uber. if you want a peace of the scarce equity asset -- people don't know how much uber is losing. it does say that they will get results, they will get financial information down the road. " reportedork times they are getting selected data. everything out there has been leased basically through the
likes of bloomberg and other stations. here is, isuestion it dangerous for individual investors to get into the ofiness of buying shares private companies that they really don't know a lot about? it is certainly risky, but with risk comes greater returns. when you are seeing in the demand for is such growth equity returns that you can't get anymore in the public markets, that investors are particularly sophisticated investors who feel they can seize the uber opportunity are willing to start with less information than they would traditionally have. emily: what other late stage startups have you seen following this lead? greg: you mean raising capital -- emily: how they explored this or are they selling their shares on the private markets, like snapchat or airbnb. : you have primary
financings being conducted by the company. what is interesting to us, you look at the market trend, or capital was raised for growth companies, technology growth companies in 2015 in the private market in the public market. that's a result of a bunch of different things. if the question is, is it the trend that these premier tech private companies are raising bigger and bigger chunks of capital and our markets, the answer is yes. alex: at some point these investors will want an exit. has 10 billion dollars of funds that have come over from cross over investors. they won't achieve those returns until the exit that state. emily: what do you make of that? things.o these companies, the great majority of these companies will ultimately go
public. what we are seeing an particularly today with all the news around linkedin is that companies that don't have reliable or predictable earnings find the public markets potentially very challenging, and if you are a company that is itwing at 50%, 100% or more, seems like a very dangerous place to be in the public markets. but those companies will mature, their earnings will become more predictable, and at that point the dangers of the public markets will be less and the benefits, greater liquidity and efficiency and greater chance. see, will outweigh what's keeping them out of the public markets right now. mark be interesting to see if these big unicorns decide to do the same thing. i want to talk to you about the rocky market for tech ipo's. the e-commerce venture started
by actress jessica alba is working with investment banks. the honest company is working with goldman sachs and morgan stanley to start the first step towards an ipo. how much have they explored this? this will be early days. this is a company that has raised $220 million privately. banksre hiring these basically to say, let's start getting ready, let's start putting together the prospectus. where do we think we can value this company? they are valued at $1.7 billion in their last private round, and do they have an opportunity? ipo markets are not as glamorous as they were early last year. we had no ipo's in january. we are coming off a slower 2015. what they will be doing is looking and seeing, is their
investor demand for our company. the best of companies should be able to go and sell shares to public investors. and when is the window? emily: i use honest products. is honest a tech company? alex: this will be the number one question when they are road showing this company. premium, dothe tech they get double-digit times sales valuations, or are they more valued like a retailer or consumer company? it seems like a lot of these tech/whatever companies like they try to get that tech valuation, and investors have pushed back. they saw it in square's case. that will kind of be the call there. honest does have their subscription products, which fits into that e-commerce base. looks to be where they
might be angling, and it seems like that would be a natural fit for them to compare the seminal likes of amazon. emily: i want to touch on other tech ipo's. i recently interviewed the ceo of new tenex and asked him about going public. great synergy. as long as we focus on employees and customers and partners, we will be a company on the public market someday. emily: what is in the pipeline? aex: they are on file with placeholder amount. blue coat is a company backed by pain, -- bane, internet security company. raise $500oking to million in the first half of this year. the question continues to be, when do they get to go?
-- trying to answer, is this story being reflected in silicon valley? theing me to discuss is founder of a talent agency for tech workers and freelancers. you make the point that this jobs report does not say a lot of important things. like what? >> it does not tell you about the growth in the freelance economy. these are not w-2 workers. you are talking about a marketplace that is exploding with freelance workers from uber all the way up the food chain to these high tech freelancers we represent. emily: with these workers like to have a full-time job and should they be accounted for? rishon: the freelancers we represent are choosing to go freelance, and we are seeing this more and more within the tech sector as millennials pop into the workforce in greater numbers. they are not interested in the same w-2 opportunities. frankly, companies are happy
about that because it affords some economies for them. emily: how are companies handling all these people who want to be freelancers? are realizing they have to adopt this hybrid platform of w-2s where it makes sense and then flexible freelance agile workforce where they can't find w-2's. emily: silicon valley is considered a place of growth, where a lot of growth, where a lot of the most exciting economic activity is happening. but is silicon valley creating new jobs? they are lower wage jobs. rishon: yes, they are creating jobs -- emily: net, though. probablyhey are creating more efficiency, and they are coming to scale over time. 2009 probably employed few people. now they are rapidly growing. as these startups first come to market, they are not employing
as many people and they are seeing efficiency from the technology they are building. innovation creates jobs, but innovation also destroys jobs. net-net, is silicon valley creating more jobs than it destroys? a transitional marketplace. it will create more jobs, but there has to be retraining. the workforce has to shift a bit . there's efficiency and things are changing, but there will -- there will be other opportunities that arise. portion of large jobs and the economy is shifting towards freelance, do you think the statistics will at some point start to account for this? rishon: i think it will have to account for this. the trend out there is for a freelance workforce of about 50% by 2025. taking half the workforce out into the freelance world, you will have to track the 1099's. emily: the problem here is also
people who are underemployed, should part-time workers really count? a lot of these uber drivers are getting in their car after their day job. does that count? rishon: yes and no. if we are trying to count how many people are working, probably. i think the courts are also making some decisions about whether uber drivers are uber drivers or their own drivers. there's a bit of wild west owing on here. -- going on here. ultimately the purpose of these numbers is to determine the health of the workforce economy. emily: we will be back with more of "bloomberg west." ♪
thousands of jobs in recent years. blackberry says it is actively recruiting and other areas of its business. garrett, where are these cuts coming from? and what does it say about the strategy? his strategy is to get to sustainable profit. prettyen cutting for much the entire time he's been ceo now and this is more of the same. job cuts have sort of been happening throughout the last few years. it will be interesting to see how many employees blackberry has total and they let us know at their next agm. emily: these cuts show a lot about his plans for hardware versus software, right? yeah, of course. we are not sure what happened with the people today, what kind of the business they worked in. a lot of cuts over the last few months have been with the people who work on bb10.
tothey have switched over android, that means that those people are no longer part of their plan. cutting they have been and hiring in other parts, but cutting is obviously a big part of cutting costs for the company in helping it financially. emily: we have a statement from blackberry, as blackberry continues to execute its turnaround plan, we remain focused on driving efficiencies across our global workforce. ons enables us to capitalize growth opportunities while driving towards sustainable operability. how small this the company get? wrapped upt of it is in whether the company continues on its handset path. they have said they have more phones planned for this year and they will be running android. to thef people have kept question of, when will this
company stopped making smartphones, either sell the patents or stop doing it. revenue has continued to fall from that part of the business. it is anyone's guess how small this company can get, but it has already gone a lot smaller than its heyday. emily: how successful have the android phones been so far? off on they have held saying specifically how successful they are. one metric that got investors impressed in december when they reported their earnings was that the revenue actually grew for perhaps the first time in a very long time. emily: we will be looking at those earnings next time around. live fromvynck toronto, thanks so much. ♪ emily: a leading innovation expert is saying it's time to
get used to life with robots. formerly an advisor on innovation to department of book,says in his new quote, the industries of the future, robots are not only here to stay, but they will be pervasive across our society, filling jobs from factory floors to operating theaters. i sat down with him to tell us all about it. >> the robots of the cartoons and movies of the 1970's will be the reality of the 2020's. doesn't have to be millions of dollars worth of hardware and software inside a robot to do sophisticated things because they can all do rhythmically be told what to do. the second thing is the mathematical breakthrough called mapping the leased space, which takes things that have been , put theks mathematical breakthroughs -- but the mathematical
breakthroughs have allowed robots to go from doing things that are merely manual and routine to cognitive and nonroutine. believe is that robots are going to go from replacing not just blue-collar workers doing manual labor, but in the future they are also going to, combined with very powerful artificial intelligence, going to replace what i would call low-level white-collar labor. work that involves some cognition, but a lot of repetition. robots i think about today is the way i think about the commercial internet in 1994. it is chapter one, page one. beginning to see commercial and industrial robots, but they are going to antiquatednky and so relative to what's going to be out in 10 years. i think we are at the very beginning of the robot revolution, where really, the robots and cartoons in movies of
the 1970's are what we are going to be looking at in the 2020's. rience, iven ross' expe could not help but ask what he thinks about the current presidential campaign, which candidate is using technology most effectively. take a listen. ofdo i see the current crop presidential candidates using technology in a way that is different than before? the person i would give the most credit to is ted cruz. donald trump ran a great air game in iowa. the big data analytics tool -- tools used by ted cruz really helped bait donald trump. the person probably performing the best right now is ted cruz. the other two who stand out to me are both hillary clinton and bernie sanders. i do not know that they are doing anything so differently. i don't know that there has been as much innovation in this campaign per se, really
distinguishing one campaign from the other, but there are a lot of very well run campaigns. what is technology useful for if you are running a political campaign? identifying and getting your voters out to vote. that of the time the data you are managing in a campaign can be really disorganized, all over the place. i remember when i was in college working on campaigns, we would have to flip these pieces of paper to get to the voter files. it was a mess. what big data and technology has is made elections a much more professional enterprise. is second thing communications. instead of relying on people reporting about you, you can communicate around the press using social media, and forming, inspiring, and insight into action. the last thing is fund-raising. you can raise money from rich folks who write you checks, or you can raise lots of money in
howl amounts, for example bernie sanders is doing right now. you can only do that using technology. emily: finally, i asked alec ross about silicon valley. can we build more silicon valley's elsewhere? over the last couple of years i have traveled the equivalent of 25 circumferences of the globe. i'm always asked one question. what can we do to create our own silicon valley? my answer is, please don't try to create your silicon valley. they have a decades long head start. what i say to government and business and academic leaders around the world, is focus on what you do very well in your country and then apply it to the industries of the future. take your domain expertise in agriculture, in automotive, whatever it is, and figure out how that applies in the industries of the future.
i do believe that the trillions of dollars of wealth that has been created in the last 20 years in silicon valley, over the next 20 years, powering wealth creation will not be as concentrated in that 30 mile long, 15 mile wide area. i imagine there will be between 10 and 15 clusters globally that will be massive centers of investment, innovation, commercialization, and wealth creation. emily: alec ross, formerly innovation adviser to the department of state. now author of the book "the industry of the future." symantec just scored a major investor. the firm's managing partner also getting a seat on the board. symante the company also announced it plans to cut $400 million in
broken iphone just yet great in an attempt to encourage upgrades, apple says it will take back broken models as trade-ins. until now apple offered credit to iphone owners only if the device had an intact screen and working buttons. the new policy only applies to .he iphone 5 and later models it's time for our tech week in review. joining me to discuss, r bloomberg tech reporter. i did the interview with marissa mayer earlier this week. fromis your big take away yahoo!, and the three plans she laid out? two, reverse spin. three, putting the company up for sale. these three plates spinning at once. each of those plans individually turnaround, spin off the
company, solicit potential buyers from the company. each one of those is difficult on its own and they will try to pursue each of those at the same time. it seems impossible. hery: my take away was that focus will be on turning around the company, and that's what she would prefer to do. she really doesn't want to sell the company. i asked her if selling the company to her, which she see that as a personal failure. marissa mayer: there's not a personal interest that is separated their. we want to see the best possible future and the best possible outcomes for yahoo!, for our users, our advertisers, our employees, and our shareholders. emily: marissa mayer is a product person, through and through. do you buy that? >> i don't buy it. theink she has to say politic answer, which is what's good for the company and what's good for shareholders is good for me, but you can tell she's most interested in turning
around the business, not try to sell it for buttons. >> she's optimistic. she keeps talking about the mavens. it's her favorite word. she really wants to hold onto it. there is so much pressure, she really has to consider it. emily: let's talk about the market cap reordering that happened this week. google became the most valuable company in the world by market cap. it has since stopped down to second place, below apple. shira, what is going to happen? are we going to see them continuing to bounce around? shira: it does feel like theabet, google -- they are ones who have momentum right now. we've talked and written a lot at bloomberg about apple's existential struggle, that iphone sales are going to decline this quarter for the first time in the history of
that product. that means that investors are anxious about the potential of apple going forward, and that is reflected in the market cap. emily: today we have seen massive drops in linkedin. facebook also dragged down. are we going to see a sort of massive revaluation of tech in general? think thatwe need to overall -- there are so many macro headwinds. alphabet looking at versus apple, we need to consider that apple has almost three times the revenue of profit. if we look at those numbers, right now it is that investors are looking more at future performance rather than past performance. they have been really confident following alphabet, google's great earnings. says, the iphone will have a slowdown in for the first time in over a decade, they will have revenue declining. emily: i want to talk about
gopro. gopro has been a prime company. shira: gopro has a lot of problems this week, and it was interesting to look back. about $800 million worth of stock at the tail end of 2014, when the company was doing pretty well. $800 million right now is more than half of the current stock market value of gopro. emily: shares have been locked up for a long time. nick woodman and his family, his dad and his siblings, they all invest in this company. they did not have a windfall until after the ipo. there touncommon for be selling, but in hindsight that amount of selling has been almost a peak in the share
price, looks a little iffy. emily: we have been talking a one producto is company. can they overcome this? they have not been able to transition to being a movie company as well. what is the game plan? >> nick woodman has been trying to lay out that they are not just a company that sells cameras on a stick, as cory johnson always says. they have a drone coming out. they are finally addressing the software problem and they are supposed to be rolling out a content management system. get a lift inopro after-hours trading because they announced some announcement with microsoft, basically an ipo agreement for software filesharing. it yet, have details on but it shows that investors are a little bit optimistic that there could be some hope. emily: all right.
shira, thank you both. we will see what happens next week. hasblood testing startup one week to tell regulators how it will fix problems at one of its labs, saying its newly hired lab director will take the time to review the company's response. the health agency found flaws at the lab. up, the small town coffee shop that one the advertising spot.y, a $5 million how good is this commercial? pretty good. as we had to break, we look at amazon's first ever super bowl ad. ♪
emily: earlier this week we reported that microsoft had scooped up the ai-based predictive typing startup swift key for $250 million. notswift key founder will see a penny of it. that's because in 2008 he sold his entire stake in the company for a bicycle. he tweeted, decision to sell was the biggest mistake i ever made. the shares would have been worth an estimated $36 million. expensive bike. speaking of expensive, the most-watched event in the u.s. on tv is the super bowl. last year more than 114 million it ae tuned in, making gold mine for companies that can afford the $5 million ad.
check out the winner. >> fear not. [indiscernible] death wish coffee. emily: joining us now, death mike brown founder from san francisco. you guys have one store in new york, you are and 11 person team, and you sell coffee that you claim is the strongest coffee in the world. what was it like to win this? ike: the most unexpected and amazing experience of my life. it was incredible. emily: you are out there with doritos, budweiser, go daddy -- after you won, what happened? niceel: quickbooks was
enough to allow me to be part of the process. they gave me three options. i picked the one that fit my brand the closest. and took me to the studio showed me a world i have never seen before. i was able to watch them make commercial magic. emily: the attention can be a blessing or a curse. if you get a surge in demand, how will you handle that? michael: we have been preparing for the last two months. we found out right after thanksgiving. we have been pumping coffee into our inventory channels. 250,000 pounds ready to go. you have experience, as i understand it, with 15 minutes of fame. you were on "good morning america," then you got temporarily pulled off amazon. what happened? michael: we learned the hard
way, a few years back, on how not to do it. will be our next big test. emily: how do you turn a short burst of demand into long-term business growth? michael: that will be the challenge. we have distribution centers all across the nation now, and they are geared up and ready to go. think it is continually putting out products that add value to our customers, and that is what we will continue to do. emily: i'm sure you know san francisco is intense about its coffee. right down the street from you, designer coffee shops all across the city. do you think death wish will be a hit in the silicon valley crowd? michael: yeah. there are amazing coffee shops out here and amazing coffee companies. i have been lucky enough to experience some of them this week so far. we had a death wish coffee car. we ride it around san francisco.
we tested it out. san francisco, they love death wish coffee. emily: if your commercial does well, it could go down in super bowl history. what are your favorite historic super bowl spots? michael: there was the apple commercial that took apple in 1984 from a smaller company to the world's most valuable company, i think, right now. ad, thes a reebok office linebacker. we are always getting on each other and getting things moving. emily: congratulations, death wish coffee founder mike brown. thank you for joining us. to find out who's having the best day ever before that guy, maybe it's crazy eyes and the rest of the cast of "orange is the new black."
netflix just renewed the hit a series for 3 more seasons. the show has gotten critical acclaim and four emmys. although netflix does not break out the numbers, the company said "orange is the new black" is the most-watched show on its service. the fourth season premiere happens in june. it for this special edition of "bloomberg west." ♪
♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." betty: welcome to the program. i am filling in for charlie rose, assignment. we look at the latest democratic debate. one-on-one showdown between bernie sanders and hillary clinton at the university of new hampshire. [applause] >> secretary clinton, senator sanders is campaigning against you now. at this point in the campaign, by arguing you are not progressive enough to be the democratic nominee. he has said that if you voted foe