tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg February 9, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm EST
>> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." charlie: the new hampshire primary is one day away. donald trump and bernie sanders maintain commanding leads in the polls. marco rubio, after finishing a strong third in iowa, is now having to rebut a poor debate performance. donald trump and marco rubio reacted to the debate today in separate interviews on cbs today on "cbs this morning." the story coming out of new hampshire so far is one you have a huge lead, and the second story is marco rubio suffered in the debate, all of the analysts
said he took it -- he took a hard blow from the governors. what do you think of that? donald trump: he did. i was standing next to him. he was to my right. he was having a hard time. it was interesting to watch because he made one statement, i am one with a good memory, then later he made the same statement identical. we have repeated ourselves on occasion. other than nora and gayle, we repeat ourselves. i heard it even a fifth time. i thought that is strange. i didn't know it would be a massive blow up but it was certainly different. did i hear that five times now? what is going on? it was obviously a sound bite that he likes. you can use a sound bite once but you cannot use it five times. marco rubio: the core of this campaign is that statement. i'm going to continue to say it.
barack obama is deliberately carrying out a strategy to change america. he wants to redefine this country. it is one of the main reasons why i am running. and it is one of the reasons i feel good about our debate performance despite whatever media people want to say. it was the biggest fundraising night we have had in all of the debates. i feel great about him. we are going to continue to say the truth. barack obama is systematically trying to carry out an effort to change this country and that is why this election is so important. charlie: joining me now from boston, hugh hewitt, the most popular conservative radio program the hugh hewitt show. i am pleased to have him back on this program. hugh: hello charlie. good evening. charlie: what made you so convinced that cruz would win when the poll showed donald trump winning? hugh: there are two answers to that. one is radio hosts are frequently wrong but never in doubt. we always assert what we believe to be true. the data point was social media touches.
inial media run by people pac operation that is the most sophisticated of any of the republicans. it has a massive databank. i don't know if it scales in new hampshire but it worked in iowa. they know whom everyone of their voters wise. charlie: tell me how you see it? one by notd trump losing on saturday night. i think john kasich is going to come in second. marco rubio will be third. theory, john kasich is everybody's favorite uncle. they are going to vote for him in new hampshire because they are independent minded, fair-minded. everyone has a lawyer uncle. nephews.for some we have christie increase. we have a doctor uncle, we have
the distant scary uncle, and the cool uncle. we have dad, jeb bush. nobody votes for dad yet. he did release the crack and over the weekend. he is surging up. it is going to be trump, k-6, rubio. overkill on the rubio repetition has rallied some conservatives to his side as has the ted cruz overkill on the ben carson story. there is nothing like the sound of liberal media and democrats to rally people to them. afteris getting rebound the pile on of the weekend. charlie: it wasn't from liberal writers. it was from everybody. it was everybody's judgment that perhaps it was only three minutes as you have suggested but it seemed to be the topic of conversation because he seemed
to have momentum. , she wasnifer granholm on cnn and she brought it up with joyful -- his decline. cruz'so brought up ted birther thing. they are trying to sow discord but take rubio out. so that the republicans -- they would like to run against a weekend nominee who cannot energize young people. charlie: in your judgment this was a temporary hit that now is rebounding to marco rubio's favor. hugh: yes. hang a lantern on your problem. he leaned into his problem all day and explained what he had attempted to explain.
the reason he kept going back to it, he never completed the second. he wondered is a president obama has not failed because he is young. don't hold it against me. whats destroyed conservatives believe is the core of the countries eat those because he has been successful. he didn't get that as we kept trying to restart and explain it. , being the able prosecutor kept interrupting the witness. it was terrific theater. charlie: you know what his argument is, obama wants to change america, he wants to change america with health care. he wants to change america with an iran nuclear negotiation and deal. changing thexactly eve those of america. i willhey are randy disagree with you on. we spent time talking about north korea and libya, problems of the obama clinton state
department policy detente with islamists. it is not like the soviet union. the bernie sanders hillary clinton campaigns back-and-forth over who's going to burn in hell for not supporting the first woman presidency is not the height of policy debate. this is the inversion rate republicans argue over personality and democrats over policy. this is inverted with the exception of donald trump and jeb bush. charlie: why do you think donald trump is still winning? hugh: because his new hampshire is an independent minded state. they value that. he is not anybody's creature. charlie: let's go back to john kasich does anybody have the possibility without thinking of a particular scenario of catching fire? hugh: john kasich does brady
wall street journal poll, the breakdown of the new hampshire people who are independent and can vote democratic or will can says the most popular republican is john kasich. he appeals to that likability. let's work together, let's grow the country. he can get the lion share of the republican independence and pull and upset. a ticket to get south carolina. the prediction i have been wilson,long with rick we are one to have an open convention in cleveland. no one is going to have 1237 delegates. we're going to have the greatest convention of my lifetime. charlie: is this somehow a wish over experience? hugh: no. they can't have a winner take
all primary until march 15. all sorts of delegates have to be divided proportionally. the more proportional results that come in the harder it is and more scattered the field. the more empowered a diversity , somee did -- of people say john christie should get out. no he won't. he has some play in new jersey. he will pick up some votes where he will do with john kasich. i don't see anybody getting it. how doecharlie: how does it plat in your mind? hugh: since hillary is getting killed by bernie, your vote has economic theory terms if you cast it on the
republican side. for independents will vote republicans because they believe bernie sanders is blowing hillary clinton out of the water. she's about to fire her staff. that is a sign of chaos. david axelrod even tweeted that out. you're an independent voter and you want emotional satisfaction vote republican tomorrow. you know you are contributing to what? to a decisive moment. whereas the decision is in in the minds of most observers on the democratic side. bernie is going to win by a lot. second, third, fourth, fifth, ted cruz was in third place. i was stunned. he got the lowest iowa bump of anyone i've seen because of the carson controversy. maybe i'm wrong. rubiol think trump, k-6,
-- john kasich rubio. charlie: what about carson's support? hugh: i think that is fading. one of the nicest man in america. i was surprised he got 10% in iowa. i don't think he lost many votes because of the ted cruz announcement. people can dispute that. people come to the conclusion that though you make a wonderful or surgeonf hhs general, he is not participate in the first or second tier. he is one to soldier on because he has some chips at the table in cleveland. charlie: could he endorse marco rubio? hugh: idol have any idea. charlie: i was surprised whom santorum endorse. hugh: he was the most serious guy on iran and believes marco rubio and his work makes him the most serious guy on iran. charlie: a lot of people you admire have great fault with
marcos saying on the first day he was going to avoid the treating with the nuclear deal. hugh: not made. george petaca came out and reiterated his support for marco rubio. thee is a great divide in country on the iran deal and i .hink it's playing out it didn't work. they are just a crazy regime. iranians are fanatical in time regime. those who think the north korea deal was a disaster take the iran dale of 2015 and fast-forward it five years and it is a disaster. charlie: update said he would void the deal was a serious mistake. hugh: i recognize you are right. he is one of the people i disagree with. i think it is a good thing to campaign on if nothing more than for clarity.
mrs. clinton has said she will embrace it and work with it. the former secretary of state argues she was a proponent of sanction but also a proponent of the deal. charlie: what is the basic divide between republicans and democrats? hugh: foreign policy. it is going to be a foreign-policy election. planninge news stories attacks in five cities. it is of great concern to the foreign policy wing of the republican party which brings together everybody and does not seem to concern the full sweden. bernie sanders with chuck todd said he would be consulting with jay street and lawrence court. my job dropped. he is going to kill hillary clinton tomorrow. charlie: then they go to south
carolina and it will even out. hugh: that youth gap. charlie: that is the most fascinating thing is the youth gap. especially young women. albright is in new hampshire saying for you not to vote for her is something next to terrible. hugh: i saw a grandmother and granddaughter today. i'm stuck in a hotel. on -- i have new hampshire jitters print a grandmother and granddaughter both saying they are voting for bernie even though the grandmother supported the former secretary of state eight years ago. she doesn't want $80,000 in college debt. she likes the sanders appeal. the grandmother because she said in so many words the servers scandal will bring her down.
for different reasons, grandma and granddaughter are voting for bernie. if bernie sanders comes out and says one thing he will make elizabeth warned his vice president he might turn south carolina. charlie: i had not thought about that. i had wondered where she was and how much she is sitting in massachusetts saying why didn't i do it? hugh: good reporters would go find her. she would be the nominee. behe announced that it would déjà vu all over again for the clintons. charlie: michael bloomberg said i find the level of discourse and discussion been all -- banal. you are one of these smart lawyers. do you agree? yes. i don't like the 92nd rule in a debate.
i have done 2. i don't make the rules. i think it is hard. yours is the only show where a segment goes this long. charlie: they are scared of that. most are scared of longform conversations. hugh: i don't think so. on -- i have listed all one hundred 53 interviews and transcribe them all. there are hours and hours of republican candidates asking questions, they have no idea what i'm going to ask them and they will talk at length. they try and steer it to their strength obviously. chris christie is a very good courtroom lawyer. he knows how to bring it back to surveillance of terrorism suspects and post 9/11. marco rubio brings it to the intelligence committee. he will give you every minute of every one of those arguments.
he has been memorize. jeb bush will tell you about reforming education in florida and it is fascinating area ben carson will tell you about running the narrow logical department at johns hopkins. they get three-minute time. charlie: let me ask you this. how are things playing out in new hampshire? donald trump was with us. he said one time is interesting. to invoke thee, same statement is ok. the third time is becoming questionable. fourth and fifth say something about the person saying it. hugh: donald trump is right. he is also a little bit wrong. message discipline is the most important factor in a presidential candidate. until you cross a line. what christie did was make him reset. you can't give the second part of the punch line. president obama did not fail because he is young.
he fail because he is a leftist. interrupted,etting chris christie worked it expertly. rubio got off the map. he dominated the second half of the debate. google searches on his pro-life , which matters a lot, it scored off the charts. we in the media have done tunnel vision on those three minutes. the left loves those three minutes. hillary's people are trying to not rubio out of this. maybe he does have a glass jaw. but it did not look like it today and yesterday. charlie: thank you. stay with us. ♪
charlie: we continue with politics on the eve of the new hampshire primary. joining me from manchester, a great group of political observers. robert costa of the "washington post." stuart stevens is a columnist from "the daily beast." he was a top advisor to mitt romney's presidential campaign in 2012. patrick healy is a national political correspondent for "the new york times." jonathan alter is an msnbc analyst and daily beast columnist. i am pleased to have all of them this evening. i begin with robert costa.
ert: charlie. charlie: how do you see this the night before they vote? robert: great to be with you. think back to pat buchanan's campaign. he ran as a populist treat someone against illegal immigration. of that.eing echoes a sense that this is a working-class state. the buchanan coalition seems to be coming back together. he has a large lead. his campaign manager hails from here. charlie: stuart stevens, somebody said to me they thought john kasich won the debate. donald trump did lose, and marco rubio had a good debate except for three minutes. how did you see it? stuart: i think they were
playing two different crowds. john kasich is playing two independents. he is trying to get people who may vote as independents can in either primary. his real play. it is going to be interesting to watch the different areas. john kasich is going to do well where bernie sanders does well. new hampshire has always had this compact with candidates. if you work hard and put the time in and value us, we will reward you. john kasich and chris christie will have good nights tomorrow. they have done it the old-fashioned way. they have done close to 100 town halls. i think that is going to pay off. charlie: patrick healy.
how do you see it? patrick good to be here. think aboutt do you the debate they had saturday night? the conventional wisdom of the night of the debate that marco rubio had been dealt not a fatal blow but a blow that was slowing down. rubiok: the problem with is similar to the problem donald trump had in the last debate in iowa. donald trump and marco rubio came into those debates with moment some. trump skipped that debate in iowa. that momentum halted and fell back into a second-place finish. for rubio, he was coming out of iowa with this strong third-place finish. he was getting a lot of looks from voters in new hampshire to hadn't made up their mind.
they were starting to feel like this is the guy we are supposed to be with. then, in the debate, chris christie pummeled him over and over. it was as if he was saying super pac may have done damage to me but i'm going to go down swinging. a feeling that the momentum that rubio had is come to a halt. the question is what stewart touched on. the independent voters. if they cut for donald trump, if they cut for bernie sanders on the left, they could go either way. which he is able to come up the middle, we will see. charlie: talk about the democrats and the hillary clinton decision to shake up her staff after the new hampshire primary? that surprising. she has blown a 30 point lead
nationally. she has struggled with message. in some cases she is not taking a lot of the advice she is getting to make a crisper presentation. more focused on voters and public rather than herself. on the eye -- not of the iowa caucuses, where she says she was breathing a sigh of relief she went into a partial stump speech and said i know this, i know this. she said i know at least five times. the election, as her husband knows is not about her. it is about the voters. that is what bill clinton did so well in 1992 when he was being attacked in sex scandals, dodging the draft. wantan say anything you about me. it's about you, the voters. that is what she has been unable to do. convince people she is a
warrior. it is hurt defending her approach, or a process question about who is better able to make change, which is boring for voters. they want to hear about their problems. that is the connection she hasn't made. bernie sanders makes it very well. i saw an appearance by him today. he makes a great stump speech. he is going to do extremely well. i could jump in, it was telling to jonathan's point that hillary clinton went to flint, michigan. she left new hampshire. when she talks about flint, michigan and the dirty water there, she feels like government -- this african american city left behind. she is at her strongest. you hear a message about her fighting for people that feels
genuine where she feels like she has found her voice. in terms of messaging it is when she talks about flint, every time you feel like she is raising her game level, more generally a goes to jonathan's point, she struggles in terms of figuring out a message that is going to resonate with young people. those numbers with young people is a problem. charlie: what do you make about bill going out against bernie sanders? guest: he has been dying to. he has been itching. referred to bernie going after this mythical establishment. mythical brought back for an at go of eight years ago bill clinton raging against the fairytale that was barack obama's position on the iraq war , which she did on the eve of the new hampshire primary. bill clinton has been wanting to do this for some time.
the concern is his favorable ratings have been so high, and hillary's are not great, going to hard in the attack against burning is risky. inl clinton pulled back terms of focusing the attack. charlie: back to marco rubio. what would you be telling him? stuart: i think that it is impossible to be nominated by a party and not be humiliated. and have terrible moments. it is how you come back. this is part of the process. i think today he has responded well. he seems to understand that. it stresses the staff. you have to take it and say this happened, move on. it is like top-notch quarterback here. you throw interceptions. charlie: do you think trump is
getting away with it? he has not been accurately fact checked for months. the point you brought up about john kasich is a compelling one. i was on a campaign bus. he has been a fidgety politician, some of who didn't have a profile for many months. he is finding his groove, very positive, surrounded by a sea of negativity. the backing of many in the republican establishment. he is someone to watch. you could be a contender. charlie: and he is from ohio. guest: i think that the moment we are waiting for in this nomination, someone in a debate has to turn to donald trump and say it is a privilege to run for president of the united states. you haven't taken this seriously
and you are a report -- ridiculous candidate. you have no policy. you haven't taken it seriously to study. being up here is denigrating the process. if i was donald trump and you said that to me i would say you are talking about people in iowa and people in new hampshire. you're not talking about me. you are talking with the people who support me. robert: you have to go -- patrick: you have to go -- stuart: the essence is not that he is a conservative, or that he used to be a democrat. he basically is a jesse ventura candidate running for president of the united states. you have to call them out. that is a way that he will exit the stage. people will at a certain point laugh at someone saying health care policy is not have people dying in the streets. guest: the problem for any
republican who makes that argument, who has the political capital to make that case and be effective? stuart: my view is you gain capital by picking fights and winning fights. there has been this version of attacking trump for fear of alienating truck voters. i don't think that works. it didn't work for bush. charlie: he was doing that last night. guest: you have to do it in a sustained fashion for you can't do a little bit of it. you have to make the decision one of us is going to walk off the stage alive and go added. that is the only way to prosecute somebody. you have to do it in paid media. donald trump is getting such a percentage of the coverage if you only do it in free media in the press he is going to out shout you. you need a combination of the
two. charlie: what are you looking in terms of the narrative coming out of new hampshire? that this is where the establishment lane change from marco to maybe john kasich? is it going to be that hillary clinton for a lot of reasons exceeded expectations in new hampshire but lost by a lot? guest: the dominant narrative is on the republican side because there is so much up for grabs for john kasich or chris christie. if they can turn into something real, come out of new hampshire with a strong showing that is huge. they are not spending political capital. if you see trump come in second or third, it is hard to seeing the guy who says i'm winning, i'm winning, build back from
that. the secondary narrative is hillary clinton. while i agree that she needs to go through this now than six months from now, the risk is if she loses by double digits, to bernie sanders, it can't be spun as he is from vermont, a neighboring state. we knew this was going to happen. they are going to be exit poll numbers that are looking at how badly she did with young people, with women, not just young women but women generally, liberals. maybe rank-and-file democrats that may not keep her from getting the nomination but will show, and you will see this in stories, how weak a general election nominee she is. this is clinton country. new hampshire has been
associated for 24 years. a drubbing by bernie sanders, it will point out where the vulnerabilities are. charlie: one last question about donald trump. what does he fear the most? he fears embarrassment. you look at his whole career, he does not like to be embarrassed. that is the core of his personality. he relishes his own success. new hampshire is a personal challenge. win, something he has to to reinvigorate himself in this process as a first-time national candidate, to not be embarrassed. charlie: who was the likely republican nominee? guest: i dealt think it will be donald trump. it could happen. to assume that it's not will be a mistake. someone has to fight donald trump. we've had this odd battle for
new can come in first loser. it is really strange. it goes to how much republicans want to win. behink trump is going to someone who is going to lose the senate in the presidential race. ted cruz is someone who i think is going to have difficulty establishing a lot of appeal in states like ohio, pennsylvania, even florida. , they have to hold the center. the parties will do what is in their best interest, nominate someone who can win. sich,nk it will be a ka rubio, bush, christie. the best politicians and they are the ones who have a chance to win. charlie: thank you very much.
in 1997. he has charted the rise of terrorist groups. his newest book is called "united states of jihad." i am pleased to have him back at the table. welcome. peter: thank you. charlie: these are new questions you are raising about jihad is him in america. what are you asking? peter: why would ordinary believes?a job jihadi american muslims are pretty well integrated area average incomes are the same as most americans. charlie: i point the president made when he went to the mosque. peter: it is a different picture in europe. charlie: where they are not incorporated into society. around 10% of the population is muslim. 70% of the french prison population is muslim. this is not the case in the united states.
why do people sign up for this? of evilto the nature hy's can only go so far. some consider have family disappointments. likey of people who don't american foreign-policy don't go murder. charlie: let me make than a different way. why should americans be any different? people are doing things in other places. peter: i thought the american dream would be a firewall preventing american muslims from buying into this ideology. we talking maybe 300 cases. ,f you are a kid in chicago three teenage kids in chicago group in the united states, born here, they decided to join isis.
they were arrested at o'hare airport. they may have all been killed by the prices. the girls would have been probably married off to a nice is fighter. they believed they were joining an islamic utopia. somehow isis has persuaded people. have a recruiting pitch. peter: we are talking about lone wolves. in a sense they are part of a virtual pack. if you got online and start looking at isis propaganda, suddenly there are hundreds of people with the same views around the world saying isis is great. they may spend thousands of hours online with you. persuading you of the truths of isis. have we mounted an effective social media campaign? peter: against this?
i don't think so. the u.s. government has a depth problem in this area. you have the world's greatest people in the u.s. government doing this. capable people. it is not going to be as persuasive as what isis is putting out. charlie: find some muslims to do it. peter: certainly, there is more discussion in silicon valley, the government. peter: find somebody who was with isis and left. peter: defectors are the most effective. affected, defections are the most useful. a catch 22. let's say you are an american defector from isis. you're probably going to go to prison. it may not -- charlie: is that smart on our part? peter: we haven't seen many people come back. in europe hundreds are coming back.
throwing them in prison may not be the smartest thing. that is a big question sometimes. charlie: he was a very charismatic recruiter. he had a following. he was killed by a drunk. he said jihad is becoming as american as apple pie. peter: he said that in 2010. that sounded like an absurd claim. a lot of groups have been american. he rose to become a leader of al-shabaab. -- he invented inspire magazine, use by the boston marathon bombers to build their bombs. he is american. who grew up in
the bronx in florida became the leader of al qaeda operations. the other thing which is important, every single terrorist attack in united states has been conducted by an american citizen or a legal permanent residents. , born here.re charlie: melodic he was a citizen. peter: he led a series of double lives. there is a fascinating set of documents released out of freedom of information. the fbi was trailing him. he was associated with the hijackers. he was visiting prostitutes on a regular basis. that was one part of his double life. the other part, he presented himself as a moderate muslim cleric. the pentagon invited him to
comes big to them. he knewly the hijackers asked to drop the pentagon. charlie: have refugees compounded the problem? peter: in europe it certainly has. in the paris attacks were posed as refugees. it would be diabolically clever refugees, toas make this a bigger problem, some say maybe that is the intent. they certainly pose as refugees. it's going to be hard for europe. we have taken 2000. they may take 10,000. an infinitesimally small number. the last thing, if i was a terrorist i would not come to this country as a refugee. the vetting process would be so painful.
you would have to then be selected out of millions selected to then be presented as a possible refugee. they will look at you for 18-20 months. there are easier ways to do this. charlie: what have you learned that would be significant for the united states? to thwart jihad is him -- jihadi ism. peter: there were two big theories of the case and the law enforcement side. they looked at how people want from radicalization to militancy . it was in 2007. they looked at a number of people and found they were unremarkable males between the age of 18 years old and 30 years old. they embraced the jihadist ideology. report was criticized at the
time. the report has some merit. it does explain a number of people. they have active investigations in 50 states. peter: they have 900 investigations ongoing. -- there are two sides to this. the san bernardino couple that killed 14 people, the fbi had no idea about them. charlie: she had made statements overseas. peter: she had made statement overseas in pakistan. these are not unusual sentiments. that the fbi is in a dilemma. they criticized if people get through. -- i can almost guarantee you most are sting
operations of one kind or another. entrapping hopeless wannabes are they getting someone who may be serious? that is hard to distinguish. we having suche a political discussion about calling people radical islam or if you call them radical extremism? president bush and president obama were concerned with the idea of suggesting -- peter: if you are the president you have to be careful about your language. , inot calling it islam understand why the president does that. why do other people politicize it? peter: it's an easy way to make a cheap political points. the fact is, this does have something to do with islam. it is a cherry picked version. the cron is not a book, it is
the word of god in their view. that is of course isis, osama bin laden have cherry picked versus and created this model. but the movement in palestine has something to do with some jewish fundamentalists about the syncretism -- sanctity. cannot understand the extremist sides of these religions if you don't understand the religion itself. this has something to do with islam. the best argument is made by muslim clerics understand the religion well. charlie: are they making them often enough? with a sufficient visibility? peter: i have two answers. , who in northern virginia runs the third largest mosque in the state.
he wrote a letter against isis. he is personally intervening in five cases of young men planning to join isis. he stopped them. that is a good outcome. peter: with persuasion? -- charlie: with persuasion? peter: yes. same background -- naylor a moreike there is secular version. he feels his verse is not being heard. they were more muslims in this country. they were not deeply muslim. charlie: he was more of a secular muslim? what is he say? peter: why did his cousin carry out this? he has an interesting theory. guy, almost 40 and not
married. he never had any relationship with a female. his parents had died. he was fearful about going to fight in afghanistan. he went postal and they dressed it up in the guise of islam. charlie: let's turn to overseas. you understand what the president's strategy is to fight isis? peter: i think i do. it is easy to say he should be doing more. bailey one west said numbers was lindsey graham. everyone else is just saying do more. charlie: boots on the ground. the president, may be he has gone to slowly but he is beginning to ramp up. blew up theire
currency. the near post had the best headline, u.s. makes big deposit. [laughter] charlie: that's great. peter: attacking their money, getting coalitions. the worst thing that having a coalition is not having a coalition. countries. we have we already have the turks to crack down on foreign fighters, which was a big issue. we can say that with great authority. isis is concerned. charlie: i have been reading comments about some people who thought they have to do more. peter: that's great if they actually do something more. they are concerned about isis in saudi arabia. they conducted a major terrorist offensive in saudi arabia in 2004.
-- he other hand charlie: if you think about it in world war ii news real terms, you should be thinking of an arab going to mozilla -- most ul, capturing the so-called capital rocca. peter: momentum has shifted against them. we see that with the following ramadi. that was a pretty big deal. the momentum is beginning to shift against them. they'll have the momentum they did a year ago. charlie: the president is right? peter: it is one of speed. could there have been more special forces on the ground. aird there be more controllers calling in
airstrikes and the like. the answer is surely yes. have 150,000 troops in iraq in 2006 when we were losing the war. callingcan citizens are for a major ground invasion which will be required charlie:. the president would never do that. peter: the people who he should do more, they need to see what that looks like. charlie: there is no movement on the diplomatic front. peter: none. i think that could go on for a long time. literature onle how long civil wars go on for. on year five. the people that put the brakes russians,anians, the they have no interest in putting the brakes on.
the people who could be most influential are fueling the conflict. a top commander in the fight against isis said we understand we are closer to the comingn the beginning onto the beginning of the end. peter: a paraphrase of winston churchill. not thethis is beginning of the end. this is the end of the beginning. colonel's warm in charge of from body during the sunni awakening. he was instrumental getting sunni tribes out of amber province. charlie: the united states and jihad, investigating america's homegrown terrorism. thank you. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪