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♪ >> welcome to "the best of with all due respect." the political world is focused squarely on the second of a --ated to presidential second debate between the two nominees. the panel event taking place in st. louis coming on the heels of the one and only vice president debate. >> mike pence is feeling pretty good today. good reviews from all corners.
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36 million people watched pence versus kaine, the lowest numbers, fewer eyeballs than joe biden and paul ryan. disciplined defense of donald trump. criticism of hillary clinton and her policy. when it comes to debating skills, donald trump may have been upstaged by his number two. it was a narrative mike pence was trying to knock down. he called trump the ultimate winner of last night's face-off. trump was in a credit-taking mood today in nevada or putting pence on the ticket. mr. trump: how many of you watched the vice presidential debate last night? [cheers and applause] mr. trump: mike pence did an incredible job, and i am getting a lot of credit because that as my first so-called choice.
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my first hire as we would say in las vegas. he was a good one. phenomenal. he was cool. he was smart. just take a look at him. he was meant to be doing what he is doing, and we are very proud of governor mike pence. thank you, mike pence. >> speculation and reporting that donald trump did not like the notion he would be called not as good of a debater as mike pence and mike pence was seen as helping him out of the hole. how do you think mike pence is reacting personally? john: there is another element. the defense of trump policies. that is much as a cause for donald trump to be upset. pence did not really defend a lot of donald trump policies. that is one of the things that might have sent him off. look, he did not tweet in the middle of the night. he may be protesting too much.
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he is over praising today. on the basis of now, on the basis of reporting, i would think it has been overblown, the notion that trump has taken offense to the way mike pence played it last night. >> if it is the case that donald trump feels he needs to win on sunday for the debate, one of the smartest things the staff has convinced him to do is to talk about the debate as a win of ideas. ideas. lower taxes, smaller government, smarter foreign policy. if trump is focused on that in reaction to pence, i think he is doing just fine with this and i agree. it seems to me it is overblown and donald trump has not the best poker face in the world. he seems content with where mike pence left them. john: nominees do not like to be overshadowed by their understudies.
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however, john mccain being upset about sarah palin. actually, he looked at the crowds and thought, hey this is helping me. i think donald trump recognizes that he was on a bad run. he now knows the pressure is all on him to perform but i will say i think the framing of it as a battle of ideas, there were a lot of foreign-policy issues where mike pence effectively took exception to trump and the clinton campaign put those out in a long list that mike pence was in a different place and donald trump. it's not like he has not -- has really adopted his policies. mark: he has on some. this is the best day they have had in a while. michael pence was not talking about the indiana miracle, he was talking that donald trump. donald trump might be feeling a little bad, but he is holding it in check.
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>> the second presidential debate is this sunday. the gateway to the west, the home of the red birds, just a few miles from here tonight. that is right. we are talking about st. louis. we have already seen trump practicing new moves on the campaign trail in advance of the debate. there are also some tips he might be able to take from mike pence's performance. unlike donald trump in the first presidential debate, pence often turned the moderators question into opportunities to attack hillary clinton. he also spoke directly to the people through the camera. gov. pence: people in scranton no different. people in fort wayne, indiana, know different. this economy is struggling. he mentioned order security. that is how washington always later. after traveling millions of
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miles as our secretary of state including being an architect of the foreign policy of this administration, america is less safe today than it was the day barack obama became president. >> that is a good skill. it is always effective. donald trump did not do a very much. what else could donald trump from that. what else could he learn from? >> amazing the way tim kaine lay-up. he would fight with the moderator, fight with mike pence. >> he did not know which camera to talk to. >> obviously they win over it with them, i don't know why he couldn't do it. donald trump sees this as optimistic. one thing mike pence has always been good at, despite some quarters of the liberal media calling him dour, he is always been good at reaganesque optimism. look at this and think about it donald trump talked more like this on sunday.
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gov. pence: when you hear donald trump say he wants to make america great again, when he does that i believe american people will be standing tall. they will see real change can happen after decades of talking about. when that happens, the american tall, standstand together, and we will have the kind of unity that has been missing for way too long. >> that is the kind of message trump could adapt, i'm surprised he did not do it before. he got so caught up in negativity with hillary clinton. >> he could do it. the democrats are right. donald trump spoke says -- donald trump's book says that america is a hellhole. i need to fix it. his messages he wants to improve the country, but his view of where america is now is dark and pessimistic. that came through in the republican convention. it would hard for him to be as sunny as mike pence but he has to try. another thing about mike pence,
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he is folksy and plainspoken. donald trump is not from indiana. i do think donald trump could learn something from the colloquial way in which mike pence talks. let's take a look. gov. pence: i am a small boy from a place not too different from farmville. i grew up with a cornfield in my back yard. my grandfather emigrated to this country when he was about my son's age. my mom and dad, they built a -- everything that matters in a small town in indiana, they built a family and a good name. >> there is a couple things about that. one thing, the colloquialism. the other thing, the biographical nature in human terms. i did not hear a lot about from donald trump on the first debate. >> he likes fast food and he was born in queens. and he will never be on the same level as mike pence in terms of having an ordinary life because his life has been anything but ordinary. >> coming up, the undercard. how is last week's tim kaine
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mike pence presidential debate impacting the presidential race. right after this break. ♪
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♪ >> welcome back. our next guest tonight -- fired up and ready to go. donald trump campaign senior adviser, deputy campaign manager o'malley's presidential effort. presidentots to obama's reelection campaign. >> spicy over there. >> all right you two, let's start with this question. if you are looking for a data point that would suggest you donald trump was ready to have a stronger second debate that first debate, what would you look at? liz, you first. >> are you looking for a number?
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maybe watching mike pence and learning from him. i do not think that is one of donald trump's strong suits. look, mike pence, we were looking at this. he has always had this reputation of being this blowdried, good presentation on looking at this. tv type of guy and it came through last night and i think donald trump could learn from it. >> even if that is your first choice. what is something you have seen tv type of guy and it came or heard that makes you think, he gets it. >> first of all, i would think we are leading in this race and we will continue into st. louis and las vegas. i think the visit out west, starting in virginia was great. great speeches, great crowds, he is energized. he is ready to go. we are excited to talk about the issues. national security, economy. this format lends itself to
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donald trump. he is authentic, she is robotic, he will do great. >> where are you leading in the polls? >> we have two new polls out today. one puts her up two over trump. and the reuters poll puts her ut today. by six points nationally. every national poll and every other poll for the last 5-6 days has shown her picking up steam. >> we are up in the upi, we're up a new rasmussen. as far as that manifold the last , one in august was down for but that is a poll that has trended toward hillary clinton. but other post -- a very good measure. >> i didn't know there was still a upi poll. >> they have been a good measure. polls are coming out nationally. they are impacted by the media spin after the previous debate. i am not concerned. [crosstalk] confident in that first
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performance. i am very excited for the one in st. louis. >> i call it reenactment of the hindenburg. >> ok. >> a metaphor. >> that is fell flat with me, but fair enough. >> i thought it was a tim kaine line from the debate. anti-trump, but i want you to try. >> i hate everybody. i'm anti-clinton. >> you have come out as you are for johnson, right? talk from the standpoint as someone doesn't like either, how do you think it played out? >> i think given that it was debate that seemed to focus very heavily on the negatives of hillary clinton and donald trump, i felt like a great deal of what was said was tremendously accurate. unfortunately, like most americans i came away from it feeling extraordinarily demoralized about the terrible choices that the two major
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parties have put forward this cycle and, you know, really hoping a lot of other people who were watching who were watching that will hopefully investigate other options, consider writing themselves in or some bills that -- writing somebody else that they like or skipping out on the altogetherl voting and focus on down ballot. i thought it was an interesting debate. for once this cycle we saw a debate where people sort of acted the way you would expect them to act in debate which was sort of gratifying and relieving and refreshing. >> i did not expect tim kaine to act like that. coming in, i was really surprised. i expected a measured debate with some fireworks but i was shocked by the way tim them to act in debate which was sort of gratifying and relieving and refreshing. kaine carried himself [crosstalk] >> you talk, i will talk now. you should not interrupt all
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the women all the time, but you are like tim kaine here. you>> here is what i was goingo say before she jumped back in, on style, you are totally right. governor pence is ready to step into the office of vice president. tim kaine had canned lines. not much beyond it. he did not seem to enjoy himself. >> i want to switch to send a knife. >> that is not true. >> start with liz smith here and then the other liz. it seems like donald trump doesn't need a good debate performance but a good audience. what is your sense of the trajectory the country is on. sunday night, will the ratings been anything like a word last time? >> i do not accept. look, i am not an expert. i would say 70%, 65%. >> liz, what do you think? >> i have no particular views with regard to ratings or rematch.
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i suspect that yet again we are going to see debate between two people who have historically high on approval -- disapproval ratings. >> more of the best of with all due respect after this word from our sponsors. ♪
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♪ nationsbackup from the capital. bureau,ashington, d c, senior correspondent who covers the clinton campaign. thank you for joining us. margaret, how is the clinton campaign and hillary clinton herself approaching sunday night 's debate? >> several of us talking earlier today, and they emphasized that donald trump will probably, better repaired to this next
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debate. it is a low bar. thinknot surprising to that he will surpass that. they don't think that donald trump will go to the personal attacks, presumably on bill clinton's past infidelities. he has sort of flirted with it but they do not expect him to do that. i would be shocked if she was not preparing for that anyhow just in case. but for her, the real challenge is the different format. think that he will surpass that. it is a town hall format. she is really strong when it comes to kind of i was going to say man-to-man combat, one-on-one combat. that venue where she is emotionally connected to strangers she is never met as tougher for her and something she is working on for the next few days. >> on the republican side, donald trump will do more prep. will he do anything like a normal candidate would do in terms of the mock debate. building the set, stopping it
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-- stockingopping it with questioners and etc.. >> yes and no. he refuses to do a scripted debate. he says it is not for him. he is doing a dress rehearsal in new hampshire. he has a public event, townhall meeting. i believe he will be there with governor chris christie who has taken the lead in preparing him for the debate. it will be a chance for him to how to interact with the voters, with body language, how to build a connection with people when they are asking a question and to talk about some of his answers. he is trying to work on better this time than the first debate is taking advantage of opportunities to get hillary clinton. if cyber security comes up, talk about e-mails. and so forth. we will see if it works. >> i want to switch to the storm. i am sure the washington post
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newsroom has turned its attention. donald trump needs a lot of attention on this debate. he needs people to watch it. what is your sense that your newsroom in general on thursday to sunday will be on politics as opposed to the storm? i think right now we at the storm and politics of taken a backseat although sunday is days from now. a lot will depend on what the impact of the devastation is in florida and georgia. we will see. millions of people being evacuated. clearly it is a big story, a bigger story if there are casualties. >> of course our thoughts are with all of the people in florida. days from now. a lot will depend on what the a huge storm and one where public officials are doing their best to try to prepare but the devastation cannot be controlled by human beings. >> look at the politics, we talked about it earlier. you have two battleground states in florida and north carolina that can be affected in a
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significant way. talk about the ways you think it could be affected, the efforts to rally the base in both parties, etc. y. >> absolutely. one thing that robby mook said was they were expecting as many as 40% of the votes altogether could be cast before election day. three states he emphasized were florida, north carolina, and nevada in terms of state that could be decided before election day. two of those dates are directly in the path of the storm and so that becomes a very important proposition for the clinton campaign. we saw the controversy over them being halfway done placing an ad through the weather channel and pulling it back. they are obviously concerned with not being seen as politicizing the storm and distracting from public safety issues. it is going to affect the continuity of turnout effort , doorknocking efforts, that sort of thing. the infrastructure of a campaign
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has built in. they are saying there communicating directly with volunteers and staff. they're saying, listen, your first priority is to lead -- follow instructions about evacuation and that sort of thing. the intensity of the storm, what actually happens and how it affects people will matter on a couple fronts. number one, and obviously weeks between now and election days will people get home to vote. another issue is public response, both of a republican governor in a republican state and the democratic president who remains so popular. will minority areas so affected andhe storm affect turnout believe of what a democratic administration could do versus a republican administration. then looking at it both as hillary trump -- hillary clinton and donald trump.
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will they visit sites and how they do in those real and delicate situations. that may matter. the storm will have a huge impact potentially in terms of this. >> as we head toward sunday night, the first debate usually has the highest audience. do you get the sense between the storm and the fact it is the second debate, football on sunday, people will be tuned in on this in any numbers like the first one? >> i cannot imagine it will reach the numbers of the first one, but i think it will probably reach more people than the vice presidential debate, which had fairly low viewership a couple nights ago. somewhere in between. as important as people watching tuning intopeople the 42-78 hours following and seeing the clips online and adding a sense of how trump performed, whether he improved, whether he scored enough points against hillary or not.
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>> the clinton campaign, following recent history, being super aggressive on social media, press releases, seems to be out doing the donald trump campaign to somerset. will the rnc gear up to become better at winning the debate after the debate? >> i assume they are trying. although one thing that is as prolific as donald trump is on twitter, his advisers really are not. it is not like the clinton campaign where there is an army of operatives and strategy constantly trying to drag the twitter media conversation. theys, i don't know if don't realize it or not. political reporters are heavily influenced by following twitter, during the debate, the aftermath. whether or not it matters is much as the reporters think or not, it certainly is one place where the clinton campaign
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outdoes the trump campaign. >> exactly right. >> margaret, one more question for you, bill clinton came to the first debate. do we expect him in st. louis? do you know? or is it less likely given he stirred up a little controversy with his affordable care act comments. >> also, he was a good in his town hall debate formats, you would not want the memory of him to upstage the memory of her. in the first debate, it went down to the wire whether he would be in the room are watching from the hotel room and the decision to put them out there was really made in the last minute, so anything is possible. it is a game day call on their part. at least it was the first time around. >> i would like to see him there. it dresses the place up. i really want him there. >> who doesn't want to see in their? -- him there? >> the handshake with melania. >> thank you very much for joining us, appreciate it.
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>> coming up polls and policy. we will break down the latest bloomberg swing state numbers and discuss what is falling to the wayside during this rock on -- rock them sock them campaign. ♪
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♪ mark: welcome back, a new poll looking at north carolina, which remains an essential part of donald trump's narrow path to victory in november. in a four-way race, our poll shows hillary clinton leading unlikely voters by one percentage point, and clinton is up by the same margin in a two-way race according to our poll. that is slightly tighter than another new poll, where it shows the tar heel state. this is from quinnipiac poll surveys released this afternoon. take a look at this map. we have hillary clinton up by amongpoints, 46% to 43%
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likely voters in north carolina and new polls put clinton up five points in florida, or to 46% to 41%. and up four points in pennsylvania, all of those measured in four-way races, but in ohio, trump is gaining ground. there he is leading clinton by 42 points., 47 to now, there is one more poll that i want to show you. this is in new mexico. a state that would ordinarily be considered safely in clinton's column. an albuquerque journal survey shows yesterday that clinton beat trump by four points, 35% to 31%. how is that possible? new mexico has been blue for a long time. you have to think about gary johnson, a two-time governor of the land of enchantment. he pulled a hefty 24% of likely voters, so look at all that stuff, those q polls, our poll and albuquerque journal poll. where does that leave the
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electoral math and map? mark: trump had the momentum and had pulled almost even with clinton, where there was a plausible electoral college path. he must win florida and north carolina to have a chance. he is behind in those states. if you look at where she is in these polls and where he is, he can come back, particularly if gary johnson gets a percentage chance to vote. four donald trump to when he needs some combination besides the big three in iowa, ohio and florida. he needs probably three small states unless he can win pennsylvania, which looks less likely. the reality is i think trump needs to win both debates and probably clinton to have a big stumble or disclosure and he needs to perform day in and day out better. without those things i think you , will get tens of millions of
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votes he will get maybe 200 , electoral votes. but he will lose. >> the worrying things are that gary johnson vote is collapsing and as that happens it seems to be that a lot of that put will stay with hillary clinton. you look at a lot of those small states that he has to put together if he makes that map. once he wins the essential ones, put aside this new mexico thing but nevada, where he had been ahead, she is now ahead. colorado, ahead a lot, and new hampshire, stronger than him there. pennsylvania is probably out of reach. this week when trump was on the brink of maybe, maybe being even and now slipping on all of these fronts right now. if i ran the trump campaign, i am scared. mark: she is the favorite and he has been hurt badly, but we should not overreact. a good big for him, badly for her, he could get that close,
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but he will always have a narrow path. >> time is running out. mark: getting lost in all the political sniping is all the major policy issues that would normally get at least some attention attention in coverage of any race in the white house. for instance, "new york times" had a story about the affordable care act future after the election and on our website, bloomberg politics.com, a great story by jennifer on the hillary clinton proposal to limit contracts to make it more difficult for workers and consumers to bring legal action against corporations. out on the campaign trail, candidates have dipped a pinky toe into the policy war waters. donald trump talked about his tax plan for childcare deductions. he announced a cyber review team that they say will look at the issues of online security. clinton in turn has unveiled plans for expanding opportunities for workers with disabilities, improving student debt, working on
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prescription drug costs and others but they don't get much coverage. john come with 36 days to go, why is there less policy coverage than the past and is there anything that can be done before election day? john: because we are suckers for the shiny object and when i say we, i mean our colleagues and us to some extent. these two candidates provide compelling, appalling theater almost every day and it is hard to resist covering that stuff in focusing in the way that we should more on the issues of substance. mark: it is hard to cover policy when they don't give you experts and it is also hard when you have this thing. i always say it is hard to call to cover policy the week before the new hampshire primary or super tuesday, and this will campaign is like that, always a big thing. the candidate did not -- candidates did not take the summer off. but still, and again, not exempting our self, i will look back and say that one of the great failures of this cycle is that we let the carnival cycle atmosphere of the
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trump campaign and lenten campaign and just never really said, in a what, we need to do 20 minutes on education. john: you're right that they don't focus on policy enough. trump has almost no policies. clinton's policies are buried in her website. but there are also focused on the temperament. temperament questions, they are not focused on trump's a policies but on business record and temperament. i will say in the last two days and we don't have much time left, it is not too late. we could talk about health care they had the affordable care act and criminal justice reform. there are a lot of jobs, obviously. there issues all across the country on that. there are things you could try to do and we should do, we all should do, to get a little policy in before election day. mark: the voters will have a huge influence on their lives. >> coming up, we ask the veteran strategist but the campaigns need to do before november 8 to win the white house, right after this. ♪
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♪ mark: welcome back, with us now is mike murphy, a look at
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the former super pac that tried to get jeb bush the republican nomination. >> fell a little short on that front. >> today, we tap into mike murphy's sense of how to run a campaign and look at what the two presidential's can do, should do in the remaining weeks. let's talk about trump. my sense is that their internal data is not too far from public data. down five nationally. nowhere near the 46 minimum they need to win. so, they have put out some new ads. they have two debates coming up. what are the options to go to the boss and say, we are behind and we need to change the dynamic where he will lose? mike: the good news is the media attention has never been hotter. bad news is they are in october and the clock is ticking. and it is that -- bad. so, what they have got to do is, the ads are interesting, the polling is interesting. but they have got
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to get trump to run a campaign that brings new voters. he is stuck in the cul-de-sac were he is losing college-educated white people by too much and minorities. that is a chokehold. the way to break that is to see a more creative trump hammering on his wrong track, change everything, no more politicians, i will put you to work, without tripping over his own shoelaces. that could be the bridge too far. mark: have you had a client or you have had to go and say, you performed at best inconsistently? i need you to focus on the home stretch and they have done it? >> yes. i only do that for people who don't have trumpian disconnect from the campaign. trump is doing his thing and there is staff scurrying around trying to nudge him in the right direction. unless trump decides to change up things, he will not use the earned media hammer to move numbers and that means he will be down to ads. they are being outspent substantially.
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that is not enough. he has got to get the earned media moving at a narrative that helps them and we have not seen it yet, but there our still -- john: is there? the world is different now than it has been and there are not that many days left. if trump started behaving like a disciplined candidate and did what you want, is there still time to move the numbers or is the overhang from everything else that has happened in the ?ast months just two great mike: heavy baggage but the only shop have is to change it up and put trump on a script that resonates with more people than his primary voter base. that is all they've got. there are headwinds but if they don't do that, it will fold in on him and it will be the three point to five pointers for hillary. mark: if you look at the map, where would you be a what was -- what was the path you would try to run? >> i would try to fix the big stuff, because that will fix the little things. i mean, if you are not working right nationally, you're not going to fix ohio. i think he has to draw up some
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of the states. colorado is out of reach for him. virginia will be really hard with tim kaine. so it has to be florida and north carolina and ohio with the real push. but if he does the national stuff right, that will get better. maybe the polls in iowa to the draw to the inside straight and , generally, the few minority voters, the better chance. mark: my sense is there going to her every day and saying, you are up five nationally, the battleground states look good trump , has no path and she turns to senior staff, including you and exercise, and is like, what can we do to be more aggressive? or do we need to be? mike: because trump has proven the logo appears campaign should be, he takes bait like nobody i have ever seen. i would put a couple insult comics on the road and provoke him every day for the rest of the campaign. get sarah silverman a plane and bus and poke at them and let him pick surrogate fights and then i would send dog was -- whistles
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to republicans and yell that tim kaine is a moderate and that would help them have summer to -- somewhere to land. there is another point or two for her if she does that right and if she doubles down on elizabeth warren, which is basically saving face, she could scare away some voters she could get from trump. remember, college-educated white voters, who are normally republican, need reassurance to land with her. there is a reason mitt romney carried them by double-digits. they are not that comfortable with liberal democrats. so, surrogates and landing pad for iscallyysically -- f conservative voters. john: the same way that the trump campaign is worried about voters, the same as clinton are worried about millennial voters. should they be as worried about that as they are? mike: no. when in doubt, september is about misleading polling data. october is the normal gravity of elections coming in. democrats are doing democratic
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things, republicans with republican things. they will get their share. maybe not obama sure but plenty of millennials. the question is if her message that she closes on, will it be welcoming or will she double down and alienate voters that will be more conservative? mark: candidates start to say, with increasing frequency, where is the reverend wright tape? where is the secret ledger from headquarters? >> the wonder what the that will change everything. should trump senior staff be egging him on? saying, who knows what julian assange will do today? or they will say, mr. trump let that take care of it self. >> the worst thing to do is obsess. the trump campaign should have some influence on trump. if they could stick to that, that is 90% of their trouble. i think it is a bridge too far knowing trump. don't waste time on fantasy
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stuff trying to get trump to act like a change candidate without risk. that is the trap he keeps walking into. >> including keeping him out of his head. >> there is an old joke in my business, never tell the candidate a joke on debate they you don't want to hear. whatever you do, don't tell this gem, two alligators, a rabbi, next thing they know they go for the jets. trump's clutter is better more focused on change, i will deliver the economy and i am not the bogie monster. >> last question. we all know barack obama and michelle obama, a great story. two new surrogates, one old, one new. bill clinton, outdoor. what you do about bill clinton and staying that saying stop that is problematic? >> i would put bill clinton in those metal bending states. bill clinton is the best weapon they have.
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with al gore, it is a ticket for millennials. they had this problem they are worried about. one thing millennials are not addressing it is yesterday. al gore should be raising money. i do not think he is a voter mover. >> he gets press attention, -- >> maybe. they should have insult surrogates to take on donald trump. voters who would normally be republican that it is ok to land on hillary. you are not going to get internal marks. >> jethro and steve mcmahon join our show to discuss the state of the presidential race, right after this. ♪
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>> welcome back. if we had 10-second clocks, we would have the countdown clock of right now because there are just days left before the presidential debate. joining us from houston, texas, jeff roe, former presidential campaign manager for ted cruz steve mcmahon, cofounder of purple strategies. welcome. we have not talked to either in a while, so what is the state of the presidential race as you see it? ittrump is down a bit is super bowl of sorts for sunday to realign the race. it is important because of the other news and the waning days, the storm, early votes coming in, particularly in key states. in the next few weeks, it is critical to reset the narrative. if you remember going into the first debate, trump was on a tear, momentum, and putting states that were seemingly out of reach into play, and that changed sunday night and it slid back and kind of resembles how it looked before we went into the conventions, so now i think it makes sunday
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critical. to be clear, there are outlier polls that are showing trump hanging tough nationally but most of the numbers have a margin of victory advantage for the clinton campaign. mark: donald trump and himself in a whole because of a bad debate performance, can he take himself out of it? steve: structurally, the race has been about a three or four point advantage to the democrat and the could of been whoever was nominated because the electoral, college that trump has become trump again and again to slide backward. you look at battleground states and the states where look like he could have had a chance to win, it now looks the key is falling behind, states like colorado, new hampshire and some others, nevada, that he really needs desperately to win, and even in ohio, a poll showed hillary clinton ahead for the first time in some time.
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he is losing ground in florida, that he must have, and losing ground in states that republicans have never been successful unless they have won, like ohio. i think it is getting late in the game to turn around and being desperate, angry and lashing out is the wrong strategy for him and it is what i predict will see sunday night. john: think about the town hall format. it is not obvious that either one is better in this setting. who do you think, if you think of donald trump as the showman, hillary has more experience. formatyou think the favors? steve: this is not surprise you but i think hillary clinton is more natural because they're much more like the way democrats have to campaign for president and the way they campaign to run for the senate. donald trump has mostly been big rallies standing behind the podium, screaming insults at people and is not walking around the crowd interacting with rural -- real voters.
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i think for hillary clinton, it is a much more natural setting. donald trump is obviously a showman and will be a good performer but i think for her, it does not take performance. it is who she is and how she has campaigned. mark: you spent a lot of time watching your guy on the debate stage with donald trump make the case for why steve is wrong and it is a more favorable setting for donald trump. jeff: i would agree with him. this is why i think the reason this. >> go ahead. ruin my question. this is what i would say and where i think steve has it wrong. he has an opportunity to showcase a part of himself that he has never done before. that sets the expectations. if you see this guy he was red-faced, yelling, and you get the big presidential look and then you see advertising the -- even of late, where he is kissing a child on the cheek at the end of the commercial.
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this is opportunity. i believe he walks in at a structural disadvantage on the way he has campaigned versus the way hillary has campaigned, but i think the sky is the limit for donald trump. if he comes out and is emotive and heres, connects, shows his heart as mike pence did. mark: he should avoid kicking babies out of the room. jeff: probably so, for one night. mark: are you sure he did not bite that baby? [laughter] john: i went to ask about one that has gone attention, which is rob in the ohio senate. jeff, what lessons are there for other candidates running with him running way ahead of trump in ohio and putting away a race that people thought would be close? jeff: there is this incumbent dilemma that they have. when they have a candidate that is announced and running against them, how long do you ignore them and just kind of act like
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nothing is going on in your race and everything is fine versus when do you engage them? it goes on in every campaign. what that campaign did well and what's incumbents do poorly is engaged immediately. the excepted they are in a tough race and presidential swing state in the battleground year and they went after it early and often. i think that is one of the lessons. as an incumbent, you want this invincibility and not show credibility to the opponent. it is harder than i am saying it is but it's difficult , decision to take a race seriously and show that you are worried and you could be defeated and engage the campaign structurally from the beginning. he did that and was a master at it. it did not hurt that he had a poor challenger, but can you believe we are ofking about pulling out critical battleground states that they should always be in at this point in the race. john: steve, donald trump's paperback is out and it was
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known as what was called "crippled america: how to make america great again," and the new version is "great again: how to fix our crippled america." what do you take from that? do you think that was a well handled switch? what is the lesson of that and how they decided to go that way? steve: kellyanne conway is firmly in control. somebody must have explained to donald trump that angry people do not get elected president of the united states. the american people typically, whether it is democratic or republican they , tend to be drawn to somebody who is offering a positive, aspirational vision for the future that takes america to better place where we all benefit and we all work together and all kind of strive. you can see it in hillary's slogan, stronger together, that is an embodiment of this idea. i think donald trump figured out that election is about a future and a better
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future and that is what people want and even his most ardent supporters desperately want a better america, and i think he probably made that little switch in time for the paperback so he could sell more copies and perhaps positioned himself better to actually be that kind of leader. john: thank you. >> there it is. >> thank you. thank you for watching this episode of "best of with all due respect." you can watch a coverage on bloomberg tv or twitter. be sure to go to debate. twitter.com or follow our handle for a pregame and postgame show and the main event, the full 90 minute presidential debate. as always, if you watch us in washington, d.c. listen to , us at bloomberg 99.1 fm. thank you for watching. we will see you soon. sayonara. ♪
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♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: the supreme court began its new term this monday. the focus has been less on the docket and more on the court's future, which hangs on the outcome of the election. the seat held by antonin scalia remains vacant as senate republicans have refused to consider the nomination of judge merrick garland. stephen breyer has served in the supreme court for more than two decades. president bill clinton nominated him in 1994. he was first named to the bench by president jimmy carter in 1980. he served 14 years as a judge,

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