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because people out there, as you said at the beginning, look at this through their -- the lens of their own lives. we have to work every day to deal with those problems impacting people in their lives. if we do, we'll be in good shape. >> going to be a fascinating campaign. thank you both very much, indeed. and now anderson cooper with "ac 360." piers, thank you very much. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight with the latest on the stunning news about arnold schwarzenegger, one of the most recognizable faces on the planet, a superstar actor and former governor of california. today we learned that schwarzenegger, who once called family the basic foundation of everything, had a child of wedlock and hid that child for years from his own family, his own wife, his other children. we learned today it was the spral reason why schwarzenegger and maria shriver, seen here in better times, announced their separation last week after 25 years of marriage. schwarzenegger today admitted he fathered a child with a member
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of the household staff. >> he went on to say -- >> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the tame seem maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years,
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stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation
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with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. in the state of california, in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when "the l.a. times" began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked
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to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell awart when schwarzenegger paternity. the woman has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then they have effectively lived separate lives, according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequeling to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to benghazi with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration.
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but then last monday, they announced they were akicably separating. they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues. >> we both love each other very much. we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out
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on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's ma scene, arnold schwarzenegger and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? >> reporter: i've spoke on the a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a
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housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this underwraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here.
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i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their problems and differences, managed to make it work. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that.
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>> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great deal, like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities.
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and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and so i apologize to people who were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. leaving him was an act of an employered woman who knows what she wanted. and the bottom line there is
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look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. you know, there's been a lot of talk about her lately, because once she announced the split, there was a youtube video that came up where she talked about transition and the people close to her say, this is who she is, she's planning to pursue a journalism activism career, where she opens up and talks about raw emotions like this and this is what we should expect from her. there is a degree of shock that the topic is now maria shriver. so less than 24 hours after we find out about this shocking behavior by arnold schwarzenegger, there's so much focus on when did his wife know, rather than saying what he did was disgusting. he is to blame. >> joe, the vice chairman of the california democratic party is
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calling for an investigation into whether or not schwarzenegger used money from the campaign to silence women is. there something there? >> there's no particular reason to believe it, and this is a state with not a lot of money and has some pretty serious problems, probably doesn't want to spend a lot of time investigating what a former governor may or may not have done. there have been -- schwarzenegger is one of these people who is always attracted all kinds of stories and rumors. covering him was frustrating, because you would get two calls in an hour. one telling you about the strange things someone had seen him do in washington, d.c. and the next about the strange things someone seen him do across the street in sacramento. he couldn't have been in both places at the same time. so sort of a chase for all the familiars of this is unlikely, you know, unlikely to happen and and also, we know --
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>> do we know how the story came out now. the woman involved didn't have a reason to bring it up and as latest yesterday i guess was telling one story to "the l.a. times," do we know how it got revealed? >> i don't know. >> okay. jessica, do you know? >> reporter: well, the read i'm getting is that they had a tip. "the times" knew something and was pushing it and schwarzenegger came out with a statement of his own. while the housekeeper didn't want to speak, schwarzenegger came clean and that opened this all up. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe, thank you. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's lijed to infidelity. dr. drew weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or something else? is the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power, does that lead them to cheat?
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breaking news tonight. new details that arnold schwarzenegger fathered a child out of wedlock. "the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is is about 14-year-old. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads men to cheat but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. we'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual
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relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended viv family values but he was linked to prostitutes. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple.
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>> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> you flat out denied having a relationship with rielle hunter. did you give me a truthful answer then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben ross less berger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, george michael, and jesse james just to name a few.
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so schwarzenegger can take consolation knowing he's not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions.
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>> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. if need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside and narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. particularly in those moment where is they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public
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will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is sacramentoing out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise effects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while
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you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. just like with any other addiction, they're in denial, they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the
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forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he never met her before, he developed this fantasy about who they were together. if you read about love addiction, that's a classic case. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating.
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we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the
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breaking news tonight on al qaeda. al qaeda has appointed an acting leader following the death of osama bin laden. he's an egyptian named sail al adell, who has long played a prominent role in al qaeda. more details from fran townsend, a member of the homeland security and cia external advisory committees. and in washington, chris lawrence, who has new details on the raid that killed osama bin laden. fran, let's start with you. this guy appointed interim leader of al qaeda. what do we know about him? >> he's a well established senior person within the ranks of al qaeda. he goes back to pre9/11 being with bin laden in afghanistan. he was a trainer in training camps in afghanistan and somalia. he's indieted here in new york for the embassy bombings in africa in 1998. and he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen.
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he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. >> did he end up in prison with al zawahri? >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda?
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>> absolutely. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult perp at. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were.
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we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would think it was just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children without this compound and it took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> there's also evidence to suggest that bin laden was planning attacks on the united states, right? >> reporter: exactly. that he was not only in the loop but he was actively trying to
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plan attack. one of them shows osama bin laden was in communication with the al qaeda group based in yemen. that's important, because it's that group that has planned many attacks recently on the united states. so think back to the failed attack on times square, that bomb last year. think of the plans to put explosives in printer cartridges on supply planes bound for the u.s. all of that was planned in yemen. now we know that osama bin laden was in contact with that group. what they're now trying to do is pinpoint where he was actually in contact with the group's leader. and when you look at some of the attacks planned for europe, osama bin laden's involvement seems to go even further. a u.s. official was telling us he was not only away and supportive of some of those attacks but "he was trying to motivate his operatives in
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europe. he was literally pushing them to try to attack americans in europe, anderson. >> interesting stuff. chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn, head of the imf, a guy who was the likely the next president of france, on suicide watch tonight in new york. we'll have the latest on the sexual assault allegations against him. let's check in first with isha. >> levies along the mississippi river appear to be holding but water diverted to spare new orleans is still rising. here's what it looks like in morgan city, louisiana. lots of water where it's not supposed to be. john king saw it firsthand. >> reporter: this water is not supposed to be here. right now, up to my chest. if i walk out here, it drops off pretty quickly. as we go down this way. if you look at this deck, that's where the river is supposed to begin right there. and all of this land on this side would be dry.
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>> officials say flooding has forced more than 4,000 people in louisiana and 5,000 in mississippi from their homes. in libya, seven people were reported killed in fighting in misurata with dozens wounded. meantime, nato denied a state television report that libyan armed forces struck a nato warship during a shelling exchange. state police in maine are trying to identify the body of a young boy found near the maine-new hampshire border over the weekend. they said they were exploring a possible military connection and released a photograph of the boy's shoes, black sneakers with pictures of a character from the film "cars." and britain's queen elizabeth ii laid a wreath in dublin's garden of remembrance. she's the first british monarch to visit since 1921.
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>> i had no idea. that's amazing. >> it is amazing and touching scenes today in the garden of remembrance. >> isha, thanks. a quick program note on a story we've been following. he she attracted worldwide attention. she's now living free in exile and talked to cnn about what it's like to have left libya, to have escaped and what she feels. that's form on "360." nic robertson's full interview with her. here's a preview. >> translator: i was telling myself to defy them. these animals cannot sleep without punishment. i must speak out no matter how much people will talk about me and would blame me and ask how could a libyan woman and a muslim go on the media and say this. all this did not matter to me. >> we'll have nic's full interview tomorrow on "360." still ahead, new details
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international monetary fund says its chief, dominic strauss-kahn, does not have diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault
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case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on reitgers island. i talked earlier. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, she's afraid to go
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home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct? >> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses, the only two defenses is one, it's consensual, or two there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence?
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in a case where there's just two people, that would believe important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said who's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she pressing charges? >> she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward
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to say something happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that mean it is he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at reitgers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of reitgers. that is going to be their top priority.
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>> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at reitgers. he did that one visitor. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, he's used to meeting with prime ministers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically barely begins to capture it. we have new details about what he's facing right now at
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reitgers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at reitgers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini cheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality,
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with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkewitz. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and
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to deal with being cut off from the outside world. >> in his first day at likers, he had one visitor. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? tonight, this story winds up one woman on the "ridicu-list." a 16-hour cell phone conversation. we'll tell you where she was chatting it up. [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites...
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coming up, the "ridicu-list." the lady who was arrested after talking for 16 hours on her cell phone on an amtrak train. but first, isha sesay has a "360" news and business bulletin. u.s. officials say more sanctions will be announced against syria in the next 48
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hours. doesn't matter if the new pressure get syria to stop its violent crackdown on peaceful tests. george soros dumped nearly $800 million in gold during the first quarter as it soared to record heights and it's your chance to get a bottle from bernie madoff's booze collection. bidding begins tomorrow on nearly 300 bottles of wine and i will -- liquor. do you like your wine, mr. cooper? >> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here.
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great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my
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family for the first time, i could fill maybe an hour or two, but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and cell phone lady was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking. katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on
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their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them. i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you
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could watch 32 episodes of "soul train." or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than listen to someone talking on their cell phone for 16 hours. it would almost be -- the way i see it, there are only a few viable reasons. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." a lot more ahead at the top of the hour. we'll be right back with the breaking news. ♪ [ slap! slap! slap! slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums.
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