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now her father mitch is speaking out about the amy only a family knew. >> she had so many qualities and so many frailties. but she was a wonderful, wonderful girl. a wonderful friend. and you've only got to -- all of the nonsense that was written about her in the papers over the last five or six years, it's all gone now. everybody is full of love and admiraon for her. as she was. she was full of love. even for people that didn't deserve it. i just wish she was here so we could give her a cud el. >> my primetime exclusive with an emotional mitch winehouse, amy's father. full hour next tuesday. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. breaking news tonight, details of president obama's new jobs proposal and a working figure on the prying tag. he'll lay it out thursday night to congress and the nation. democratic sources telling us tonight it calls for about $300 billion in tax breaks,
incentives and other spending offset by equal amount of budget cuts. it's being described as a make or break moment for the president. we'll discuss it along with mitt romney's competing plan which he unveiled today. first jessica yellin. >> reporter: democratic sources in discussions with the white house confirm that $300 billion figure has been the working figure for the jobs package for at least a week now. it would mean as you say 300 billion in both spending and then cuts. the white house has said that this will be a revenue-neutral package. so that would mean that in addition to outlining the new spending, the president will also outline some cuts on thursday in his speech. but he would then put out a more detailed package later explaining more of those cuts when he makes his proposal to the deficit super committee. and i should point out these numbers could change between now and thursday, anderson. >> just so i'm clear, is that $300 billion in new spending and then an equal amount of cuts?
or what is the breakdown? >> reporter: yes. 300 in new spending and then 300 in cuts so that you come out with a zero total in the end. >> and do we know specifics about -- or what could be in the package? or what other specifics? >> reporter: right. the biggest ticket items as we understand it would be payroll tax cuts and then an extension of unemployment insurance. those are the big dollar figures. but i'm also given to believe by democratic policymakers that there's likely to be in the package some money for example for laid-off teachers. also funds to renovate dilapidated schools. democrats see that as a quick way to employ laborers and also to help students. and then possibly even funds for first responds. obviously you can see why there's political advantage to putting in monies for first responders and teachers, not only are you employing laid-off individuals but it's also
theoretically harder for members of congress to vote against that, although in this political environment anything's possible, anderson. >> so how does the president go about selling this now? >> reporter: in addition to the speech on thursday in which i expect him to lay out not just the specifics but a vision of government in which he'll explain how government can help us in his view, he'll then hit the road. and he will be giving the campaign style speech you heard from him yesterday, hitting congress hard and going out selling it to the american people in a very sort of rhetorically aggressive way. he is taking his case to the american people, basically hitting the campaign trail with this, anderson. >> we're going to talk to democratic strategist paul begala and kevin madden, republican kevin madden former spokesperson for mitt romney coming up. we want to focus first before we go to them on former massachusetts governor mitt romney who laid out his competing jobs plan late today with a pre-emptive strike on the
president. take a look. >> he'll be giving a speech in a couple of days. i know it's coming. i haven't read it but i know it's coming. i've seen version, one, two three, four and five. they're not working. [ cheers and applause ] >> and the reason is, i mentioned a moment ago that we're now using smart phones, not pay phones. president obama's strategy is a pay phone strategy. and we're in a smart phone world. and so we're going to have to change -- what he's doing is taking quarters and stuffing them into the pay phone and thinking -- can't figure out why it's not working. it's not connected anymore, mr. president. your pay phone strategy does not work. and a smart phone world. >> governor romney's plan cutting corporate tax rates, cutting taxes on interest, dividends and capital gains, slashing government regulations, eliminating the affordable healthcare act and clamping down on what he calls china's unfair trade prac sayses.
now, he says it would create 11.5 million jobs over 4 years. keeping them honest, 11.5 million sounds like a lot and it's much better than the last three years. but presidents as different as bill clinton, ronald reagan and jimmy carter also managed to add about the same number of jobs over the same period of time from. the policies romney is pushing, obama said "more tax breaks for large corporations and more tax cuts for the wealthiest while poorer citizens are forced to carry more of the burden". we did some checking on mr. romney's repeated claims that his private sector experience uniquely prepares him as a job creator. he says that a lot. >> now, i don't happen to think barack obama is a bad guy. i just don't think he has a clue [ laughter ] >> and having never worked in the private sector, never having had a real job, it's not a surprise he doesn't know how to create a real job. >> i happen to believe that if you want to create jobs it helps to have had a job.
>> i understand what it takes to get business going again. >> see, i spent my life in the private sector, solving real problems. >> i spent most of my life outside politics, dealing with real problems in the real economy. >> i spent my life in the real economy. and i mean by that i didn't just watch jobs get created and saved, i did that myself. >> being in the private sector for 25 years, therefore knowing how the economy works, why jobs come, why they go. >> not just watch jobs being created but actually creating jobs. >> creating jobs. >> create jobs. >> create jobs. >> it's time for someone who knows how to create jobs. >> and that's his bottom line. his private sector experience gives him the know how. he got specific in this fox news debate. >> but i was at bank capital, we invested in about 100 different companies. not all of them worked. but i'm very proud of the fact that i learned about how you can be successful in an enterprise, why we lose jobs, how we gain jobs. and overall in those 100 businesses we invested in, tens
of thousands of jobs net net were created. >> keeping them honesters that figure, tens of thousands is vague. when we asked the campaign for specifics to back it up we got no reply. some of governor romney's investments, putting a figure is downright impossible. he invested $23 million in staples, so should governor romney be credited with creating all 90,000 jobs or just a small fraction? he's not saying how he came up with those figures. we're certainly not experts in the field ourselves. in any case, governor romney implies that in investing in companies somehow makes him better atuned to creating jobs period. he says he won some and lost some but never mentions in his previous line of work, running a private equity firm, sometimes laying people off was simply good business. investments like staples notwithstanding, they got heavily into leveraged buyouts. buying companies and trying to make them more profitable. nothing illegal or unusual about it. that's what private equity firms
do. but what governor romney doesn't mention, that often means cutting wages, cutting pensions and cutting jobs. 17 years ago when running against massachusetts senator ted kennedy mitt romney also boasted about creating jobs. back then he didn't say tense of thousands. he only said 10,000. the senator's campaign mitt back with this. >> i don't like romney's creating jobs because he took every one of them away. >> i've worked there 30 years. and i never dreamed that i'd lose my job. >> mitt romney says he helped create 10,000 jobs. the former workers at fcm in marion, indiana say something else. >> if he's created jobs, i wish he could create some here instead of taking them away. >> today nearly 200 others lost their jobs shortly after baine bought their company, instituted pay cuts and layoffs. then after workers went on strike, baine closed the plant entirely. a few years later, the american cop american pad and paper went under costing more jobs. baine and romney took a hit to reputation but not their
wallets. he and baine investors pocketed about $100 million in the deal. here to talk about obama's upcoming speech paul bengal la and kevin madden. paul, if romney weren't touting his private sector experiences one of his major selling points, how important would his record in the real world of business be? >> well, i think any candidate's background in business, their professional life, is important. and you're right. mitt romney's made it the centerpiece. he says he's an expert on jobs i suppose he is in the same way an undertaker is an expert on healthcare. not the way you want. staples sounds like a brilliant investment. he helped create jobs, made him rich. god bless him. but i do think you're going to hear more an more -- i know -- from workers who have been laid off by mitt romney. maybe the jobs he's created, maybe tens of thousands were in india or china which he was bashing today in his speech. but he has really set himself up
here, anderson, as somebody who i think is going to be quite vulnerable. mike huckabee the last time around, a republican who won iowa won in part i think because he accused mitt romney of looking like the guy who laid you off. a lot of people said yeah, he duds. >> kevin, are these attacks on romney, they're nothing new the attacks on romney over what he did at baine, do you think they're damaging still? >> i think this comes down to world view. i think what governor romney is going to go out and tell the many republican primary voters then if he were to earn the nomination, he would make the case his world view of knowing the private sector, understanding the private sector. admittedly what goes right and what can go wrong in a private sector is going to be a very important part of putting together his blueprint to help turn around the american economy. we can't rely on people who have just have government experience who only know about government paycheck in order to create and fix -- in order to create an economy that can put american
people back to work and can be turned around again so that we're creating jobs. ultimately this has to come down to somebody who's been around small businesses and big businesses. who's been around businesses that have succeeded and businesses that have failed in order to make sure that we are back to creating the jobs so that americans have more of those jobs. >> kevin, sometimes in business what goes right for a small business is not necessarily what goes right for a private equity firm. what goes right for a private equity firm is making a big return on your investment which does often mean cutting costs, laying off workers. >> well, at the heart of it is the free market. i think what happens is many of these companies like baine capital, many of the folks with private sector experience like governor romney and what they try to do was go in and turn around companies that were either inefficient or bloated, companies that weren't producing profits, that weren't expanding. what you have to do often times is make hard decisions. sometimes those hard decisions are to make the company more efficient, and sometimes that means -- requires some of these companies to get leaner. that's one of the important things that we know about the
private sector. but ultimately, at the core of what governor romney tried to do and the core of many of these entrepreneurs try to do is they're trying to be successful, trying to create jobs, trying to make their companies better. i think ultimately that's what governor romney, that's the kind of experience he's going to try to leverage with the american economy. right now we're not very efficient, we're not creating jobs. how is it we can go and use the experience, unleash the power of the american entrepreneur, create more job, get america back to work. what we've seen over the last three years, the approach of the obama administration was more spending, more taxes, more regulation hasn't produced jobs. that's a critical world view we're going to see. >> paul, what do you think about the details coming out tonight about the president's address on thursday about his jobs plan, $300 million in new spending and $300 million in cuts? >> well, you have to way and see how it's targeted and where. the very fact that president is doing it is good news. it shows that he is dialled into the most important issue facing the country. and unlike all the other
candidates, i guess except, well, governor perry is still in office and congresswoman bachman is, congressman paul is but he can do more about it as a member of congress or a governor can. the key will be will he be targeting the middle class? that's where i think he'll have to have a point of departure with kevin's old boss, mitt romney. i think kevin will say his focusen is on the heart of the middle class. businesses need more customers. you help customers when you help the middle class. >> if jessica is right it's a revenue-neutral plan, that should be music to republican's ears, do you think paul it's in republicans' best interests or congress will see it in their best interests to get this thing passed? >> i think it's in their best interests but they won't see it as such. here's. why there are all kinds of republicans, some truly deeply want to help. i know they do. but there's others, i think, who frankly understand the political physics here, which is if america fails republicans succeed.
mitch mcconnell, the senate leader has said his top political priority is making barack obama a one-term president. >> kevin madden, paul begala, thanks very much. we bring you special coverage of president obama's address to congress and the nation thursday evening at 6:00 p.m. eastern time. the president speaks at 7:00. obviously we'll be keeping them honest at 8:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. eastern. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter @ anderson cooper up next, video that shows how quickly wildfires burning in texas and a live report from the fire lines. images are just incredible tonight. later, gadhafi officials fleeing libya. the question is, where's their boss? new clues perhaps about where he may be. whoa! hey! [ dog barks, growls ] ♪ whoa, watch out, little man. ♪ [ male announcer ] when you take away the worry, it's easy to enjoy the ride. hey, bud.
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joining now now on the phone, a spokesperson from the texas forest service. what's it been like today? >> it's been a little calmer today, anderson. the wind has really died down and helped us get more of a handle. the texas forest service supports the local volunteer fire departments. most of them are volunteers. that means they work for free. they've left their jobs to protect their communities. but the thing about this is they have been battling these blazes for over 290 days in a row. >> 290 days in a row? >> that's correct. that's almost a year. it's hard to believe these people, they're the heroes out there. >> i mean, how do you keep up that kind of a pace? because this is grueling, grueling work. you're digging, you're dragging underbrush. it's really tough. >> what they do is we call support in from all over the country. we've had firefighters come in from all over the country, i think every state has come in
and helped us. and every 14 days we get a new bunch in. so that saved us. >> have you -- i know you have assessment teams going into neighborhoods which have been scorched by fires. what are they finding? >> >> oh, we do. i talked to several of the crews on the ground. and the assessments are going good, but they're walking through these sub divisions, row by row, street by street, and they're putting marks on the ground and marking off the homes that are completely gone and the homes that have just damage. and they're trying to get a handle exactly what's there. they're finding out that they've missed some, that that slab that used to be a shop or something really was a home. and it's devastating out there. >> and you point out that a lot of these fires, they're not started by nature. >> no. no. most of these fires, all these fires are caused by people. and what's unusual is we're seeing things that start fires
under normal conditions -- i mean that would not start fires under normal conditions. like safety chains on trailers. they're either too long or they're not hooked up at all and they drag along the pavement and that causes pieces of metal to break off. then it lands in the grass along the road and it's hot enough to ignite and cause a devastating wildfire. >> i had no idea about that. that's incredible. so a chain dragging along the road. >> right. >> that can ignite a fire. >> i know we've all seen it. we've all done this. i've tried to drive on a flat i'm thinking i don't want to stop right here. i want to keep going get to the service station or get someplace else. normally that wouldn't cause a grass fire. but we're seeing that. we've seen three or four of them just dragging on a rim causes that metal causing sparks to start the grass on fire. >> mary kay hicks, appreciate you talking to us again. our best to you and all the others battling the flames right now. >> thank you. >> those who are in harm's way. you hear a lot about flames racing over dry land. no exaggeration. take a look at this.
>> see the fire line moving, several feet in just a few seconds and the line stretches back as far as the eye can see. the pictures come from a state park southeast of austin. 6,000 acres almost all of it now burned not far from there. dozens of families burned out. more of that now from david mattingly. >> reporter: shelley olensky hasn't seen her neighborhood since she left it behind in a cloud of smoke. >> you know what's waiting for you there. >> absolutely. there's nothing. i live on a street. >> reporter: i'm going with her to see if there's anything left. she's already confirmed the worst. hers is one of 24 houses destroyed by fires in a neighborhood outside austin, texas. the only question is, will there be anything to salvage? >> my heart is pounding.
it's pounding so hard right now. because i don't know how i'm going to react when i actually see it and stand in front of it. >> reporter: a short block down the street reveals -- >> that's my house! that's my house. >> right here? oh, i'm sorry. >> yes. >> oh, yeah, the oak trees are still there. >> reporter: trees were left standing. but the two-story house gone. brick walls fallen away, even stone work around the backyard pool cracked and buckled under the heat. >> there was completely smooth. oh, my gosh. the numbers are standing! >> reporter: the only piece still standing, a section of brick where her front door used to be. only the house numbers are left behind. >> it's not like the family didn't see the fire coming.
they did. in fact they were standing on this very spot watching the fire cross the highway and come over that ridge. but then when it got down into the canyon the wind caught it and the fire was moving so fast they barely had time to get out. they had 15 minutes to grab what they could and run for their lives. and it's a good thing they did. because when they came back, that's all that was left of their house. >> are you all right? you're shaking. >> i'm okay. i'm the luckiest person in the world. my family is safe. now i need to check on my neighbors. >> reporter: face-to-face with all her possessions in a smoldering pile of ash, michelle finds time to count her blessings and her losses. >> we got ourselves out. our passports are gone. everything's gone. we have no pictures. everything's gone. we got out with actually what we were wearing and our cars. and our family. >> reporter: and for now, that will have to be enough as the worst fire season in texas
history continues to rage on. david mattingly, cnn, austin, texas. >> so much loss tonight. up next, the manhunt for ousted libyan leader muammar gadhafi is intensifying. we'll have a live report from tripoli also tonight a teenage boy who like today wear makeup and jewelry to school was shot to death in his classroom. police say a classmate pulled the trigger. many people saw it. why was there a mistrial in the case and will the prosecutors bring the case back for retrial? crime and punishment coming up. dr. drew pinsky joins us ahead. can i have some ice cream, please ?
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tonight, the hunt for libya's muammar gadhafi is heating up as a mass exodus of officials who were once close to the former leader sparked new questions about his whereabouts tonight. the loyalists are fleeing into neighboring niger. today government officials there confirm at least two military convoys have passed through their country this week. among the ranks the head of libya's revolutionary guard. the very men responsible for gadhafi's family and his security. is gadhafi with them? state department says no although it is urging nijer to detain member of the regime. ben, two separate con voice have passed from libya into niger. but muammar gadhafi wasn't with them, right? >> reporter: all indications are he was not with them. but where he is nobody really knows.
we've seen this reuters report this evening that he's somewhere near the border of either chad or niger. but you have to keep in mind that there's an effort ongoing by the national transitional council, the new rulers of libya, to convince those cities and towns that are still loyal to muammar gadhafi to surrender, to give up. and they've sent out this message day after day that they know where gadhafi is, that they're going to catch him soon. and this is really part of a psychological effort to undermine the resolve of those towns and cities that are still holding out. we've heard i don't know how many times officials here say they know where he is. but all indications are they don't know where he is. he could be in sirte on the coast of the mediterranean. he could be in the south. we heard a lot of talk he might be in bani walid. i would take all these reports or claims by rebel officials that they know where he is or could be with a good deal of
salt. >> what about saif gadhafi? any sightings of him since he appeared outside that hotel weeks ago? >> reporter: he did make a couple of statements he claimed were from tripoli. the last sort of place where they believe he was was bani walid about 70 miles to the southeast of here. but i've spent a lot of time over the last few days outside bani walid speaking to rebel commanders and officials. they say they believe he left bani walid three days ago heading south. well, whether that is toward subpa in the deep sahara to the south of here about 900 kilometers, it's really hard to say. but we did hear his father say over and over again, they will
not leave the country. and until we actually see them outside of libya, i think we might want to take their word for it. >> and just briefly, have opposition forces said what they'll do with gadhafi if and when they catch him? >> reporter: well, they say are going to put him on trial. whether that's in libya or before the international criminal court in the hague is not clear. this is what they say. but i've spent a lot of time with the fighters here. one of them made it quite clear what he would do if he found muammar gadhafi. he pulled out his bayonet and dragged it across his throat. and that's a very good possibility if in the heat of battle they come across muammar gadhafi. i don't think they'll be getting out the law books, anderson? >> ben wedeman, stay safe to you and your crew. still ahead tonight, crime and punishment. an openly gay teen shot dead in his classroom. a high school student. why his alleged gunman could go free despite a confession and the 9/11 attacks ten years later. drew griffin takes us back to
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happened. the gunmans with named brandon macinernie. last week a judge declared a mistrial. lawrence king was shot in the back of the head. he faced charges on firsted degree murder, use of a handgun and hate crime. the jury deadlocked despite dozens of eyewitness accounts they were torn with seven of the 12 jurors voting for manslaughter with. no hope of a unanimous decision the judge adjourned the case on thursday. in a moment we'll hear from dr. drew pinsky on the surprising outcome of the case and from the teacher who saw the tragedy unfold. first randi kaye has an inside look at a crime that's left a community and a jury divided. >> reporter: in a sea of students at e.o. green junior high school in malibu, california, this 8th grader stood out. a boy who came to school dressed like a girl. 15-year-old larry king wore jewelry and makeup, even lipstick and mascara. most days he showed up in
high-heeled boots. he asked his teachers to call him latisha instead of larry. friends say larry was proud of who he was. these photos are from his family's web site. larry was game. he'd come out at age 10. teachers and students say he frequently acted out, making clear his sexual preference. that made some students so uncomfortable they bullied him. his friend alexis chavez was one of the few who stuck up for him. >> they just mocked him. every time he came around they ran and just painful things. they said painful things about him. >> reporter: more than two years ago, in february 2008, the bullying suddenly stopped. not because larry was finally accepted, but because he was dead. murdered, police say, by a fellow student. that awful day began just like any other tuesday for larry king, in english class, along with two dozen students and his teacher. they were in the computer lab so the students could type up their papers.
larry was seated in the middle of the room. his classmate, brandon macinernie behind him. when suddenly police say brandon stood up and pulled out a gun he'd managed to bring into school that day. they say he pointed the gun at the back of larry's head and fired. according to some accounts, brandon dropped the gun and calmly left the classroom. someone called 911. >> okay. do you know where the person with the gun is? >> no. joel, who is the victim? is there a victim in? i'm on the phone with dispatch. larry? >> reporter: larry was up rushed to the hospital. cops picked up brandon within minutes, just blocks from from school. >> it's over. it's over. >> reporter: the next day, larry was pronounced brain-dead but kept alive for two days so his organs could be harvested.
brandon, who turned 14, just weeks before the shooting, is being tried as an adult, charged with first degree murder and a hate crime. but, he says, he's not guilty. in court, police testified that brandon may have been bull yesterday, too, by larry, in fact. larry had reportedly told people the two were dating but had broken up. and just a couple of days before the shooting, classmates say larry had asked brandon to be his valentine. and brandon's friends joked the two would make gay babies together. on larry's final day, he left his makeup and high heels at home and went to school wearing his uniform, just like everyone else. it's unclear why. but if he had decided to try and blend in, he never had a chance. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> well, as we said, a mistrial was declared last week. the local district attorney is vowing to retry brandon as soon as possible, though this time he may face charges in a juvenile court. even some who sympathize with brandon believe he should be pun punished, along with dr. drew pinsky. i spoke with him along with the teacher in the classroom when larry king was killed.
>> dr. drew, on the one hand you might say this is a simple case in the sense that both sides, the prosecutor and even the defense attorney both agree that this boy, brandon, shot lawrence king to death in a classroom. but it's complicated in that it involves adolescents, it involves gender issues, questions about parenting and school supervision and family life. were you surprised the jury couldn't reach a verdict? >> boy, you said a mouthful there, anderson. i completely agree with you. that is a nice little summary of the complexity of this case. but i was surprised. not only was i surprised, kind of angry. i mean, it's an open and shut circumstance. a kid kills another kid. multiple lives in the room are changed forever. a teacher has her career ruined and has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and no one has to pay a price for that. on the other hand, as you bring up, this was a child that
committed this crime. this was a child that had his home life issues. he, too, was a victim. and is he non- -- could he not be rehabilitated? i don't think we could say that. perhaps he could become a very fine citizen. and the fact that it is a child but then tried as an adult, these issues get very complicated. >> dawn, you were there in the computer lab when larry was killed. it's obviously i know a difficult thing for you to describe. but you were also in the court. you also testified. there was a lot of criticism of school administrators that they didn't know how to deal with what was going on in the school with larry and the reaction to what he was doing. what was he like as a student? what was he doing that was getting so much attention in the school? >> larry was definitely acting out and drawing negative attention, which is pretty standard for his age ground.
but the way he was drawing it obviously was a little more than they were -- all the other kids were ready to deal with at that point. >> he started dressing in female clothes? >> well, he wasn't really dressing in female clothes. he was wearing makeup. he was wearing jewelry. he was still wearing a white polo shirt with blue pants. i think what you're dealing with was the behavior. and i didn't see that behavior. it didn't happen in front of me. so i couldn't address it directly with him. but i did address him with the way my friends had told me he's going overboard. he's doing some stuff and the administration isn't taking care of it. you need to help us and step in where you can. and that's what i did. i took him aside and spoke with him. >> but dr. drew, this is obviously an extreme case. this is a horrible crime that occurred. but a lot of schools around the country are starting to have to deal with kids at a younger and
younger age. this is not really a sexuality issue as far as we know. it was more of a gender expression issue. >> at least that's the way it's been painted. i keep hearing sort of rumors that there was maybe something about -- his sexuality hi is a separate issue. >> they're separate. >> that's absolutely right. and to protect somebody who is wrestling with coming to terms with who they are is really incumbent upon the school. and i think the school was trying to do that. it sounds like they really were. it's just that this again another complexity of this case. at what point does that become then problematic? what is their duty to protect the other kids who are by the way children. they're not adults trying to help somebody come to terms with their identity. they're just other kids. >> dawn, what do you think should happen to the other young boy involved in this, brandon? who actually pulled the trigger? >> brandon, i believe, needs to serve his sentence. i have a hard time wrestling
with -- he took a life. so i don't know how you ever justify a life for a life. i don't know -- >> prosecutors are saying that he was a white supremacist, they found nazi writings and stuff at his home. do you buy any of that? >> no. and i adamantly denied it and basically told them that was a pile of crap when i was on the stand. >> do you think this was a hate crime? >> no. well, obviously it was a hate crime because he hated larry. and unfortunately larry was gay. but i do not believe that brandon would have ran out and murdered every gay person he ran into. >> well, i mean, it's interesting, dr. drew, how complex this really is. there's so many different issues involved. >> right. let's just remember that our attitudes and our laws and our culture can result in behavior. and nowhere more so than on adolescents who are really the barometer of our culture. and we have to pay attention to this. it's sad.
and we all need to think about this very long and hard. >> dr. drew, appreciate your time. dawn bolden, thank you as well. >> thank you. >> i should point out dr. drew is going to talk more with dawn tomorrow night on his program 9:00 p.m. on hln. coming up, tenth anniversary of the september 11th attacks just days away, this sunday. tonight meet a secret service agent who stayed put while the white house was evacuated that day. all he knew was that two planes were heading to washington. his story next. also ahead, what could be the largest crocodile in captivity. 21 feet long, weighing more than 2300 pounds. where it was spotted and how many people it took to catch it. plus the ridiculist coming up. we'll be right back. [ whispering ] ok, here's your room key,
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nelson garabito, footnote 28, was the secret service agent in charge of protecting the white house air space. in washington, vice-president dick cheney was hustled to a nearby bunker while the president was on air force one. >> first thing i did is i picked up the phone to call my contact at the faa. he said we have four planes outstanding. two have hit the towers. and two are headed to washington, d.c. one of them approximately 30 minutes out, one of them approximately 45 minutes out. so we knew we had some -- sometime but little time. >> reporter: the order came to evacuate the white house. garabito said he could hear workers scrambling to leave. his supervisors gave him and the rest of his staff, including two civilians, the option to leave. no one did. >> so you're basically counting down the plane coming overhead. >> we knew there were two coming.
at that point we know they're coming to the washington, d.c. area but we don't know where they're coming to. >> reporter: as the minutes, then seconds, ticked by, garabito braced for impact. >> as the time got closer and closer, six minutes out, five minutes out, we knew it was sort of over the cia. we thought is that where it's going? but it kept coming. and then at one point we got under a minute and i said it's about 30 seconds out. >> you can hear more of the everyday citizens who went to work on september 11th, 2001 and became part of history. watch "cnn presents foot notes of 9/11 tonight" at 9:00 eastern. a lot more happening tonight. randi kaye and the 360 bulletin police say a gunman killed three people, wounded eight others and shot himself at an ihop restaurant in carson city, in nevada. the suspect, eduardo sension died two hours later. his family said he had mental issues.
an appeal hearing is set for tomorrow morning in aruba for gary year dawn know being held in connection with robyn gardner's disappearance. he's appealing a ruling that says he can be held for 60 more days. aruban authorities questioned him today for the eighth time since gardner went missing lawyers for former senator john edwards have filed motion toss get the charges against him thrown out. edwards is accused of conspiracy, giving false statements and violating campaign contribution laws relating to the scandal involving his mistress during his presidential campaign. if convicted on all counts, edwards could get up to 30 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine. hurricane katia is losing strength in the atlantic ocean. it's now a category 2 with maximum sustained winds of 105 miles per hour. a tropical storm watch is in effect for bermuda. forecasters say katia is expected to stay away from the united states. and take a look at this. a record 21-foot-long salt water crocodile is captured in the
philippines. according to reports, it took about 30 men to take control of the 2,370 pound reptile. its new home will be a nature park. anderson? >> all right. coming up a cross-country road trip involving kate gosselin, her eight kids, a babysitter and the last slice of pizza. it's a meltdown that made it to ridiculist hif ennext. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility.
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time now for the ridiculist. and tonight we've got to add kate gosselin. on last night's episode of "kate plus eight" she was on a cross-country r.v. trip with her eight kids. her babysitter ashley was along to help out. everything was working out great. not great. it was a cross-country r.v. trip with eight kids after all. things started when one sensitive issue came up, pizza.
who controlled said pizza, kate or babysitter ashley. >> we have all the pizza. >> you have all the pizza? >> and the french fries. >> this is not going to be good. you can just feel it, can't you? but let's think about this. kate has eight kids, a standard pizza contains eight slices. if the slice to kid ratio is in any way tampered with the whole lunch time balancing act goes right to hell. kate is concerned about feeding her kids. after all -- >> hand it over! >> wait a minute. steve? who's steve? stand by. oh, steve is kate's bodyguard, i'm being told. >> hand it over. >> you guys can eat salads. give him his pizza. >> one piece left. >> give it to him. that was rude. >> what was rude? >> he reserved it last night. >> i'm having a hard time telling who's who.
ashley i think is in the van. ashley the babysitter. steve the bodyguard reserved it. that's right, ashly. kate's right. you and the kids can eat salads after all. if there's one thing i know about kids, do i know kids, they love a good salad. middle-aged bodyguards can get pretty cranky if their routine is thrown off. the good news is that steve got his slice of pizza. the bad news is, when the kids handed it to him with their bare hands. >> oh, my gosh. that is disgusting! >> who cares? >> who handed it to him? sorry. >> literally you manneded it to a kid to hand out without wrapping it in foil? >> not a big deal. >> maybe when steve the bodyguard reserved the last slice of pizza in an r.v. filled with kids he should have wrapped anytime foil himself. just thinking. maybe he should have written "steve's pizza do not touch this means you" on a piece of masking tape.
but what about the children and what about the fries? >> fries, please. you said they were for the adults, right? >> yes. he didn't want matty handing a piece of pizza with her dirty hands out the window. >> it's such a travesty. >> wow! all right. it has been a long trip. and everyone's getting just a little bit snippy. all that really matters is this. now that steve's pizza has been sul lid by the unwashed hands of a child what is he going to eat? >> do you want an mac and cheese? >> no. he didn't eat mack roan knee and cheese or salad. that's my whole point. >> yeah, stupid ashley, the babysitter. he doesn't eat mack roan knee and cheese or salad. that's the whole point. this is your job. haven't you learned anything about the mom's bodyguards's food wishes? >> it's not a stinking big deal. i'm so sick of your dramatics. >> and alas with that, ashley the babysitter packed it in. that's right. she quit.
it is a cautionary tale, really. so many lessons for all of us to learn. wash your hands. guard your food. and if you somehow against all odds find a woman who's willing to help you take eight kids on a cross-country road trip, for goodness sakes let her divide the pizza any way she wants. or else you'll end up topping the ridiculist. that's it for 3630. thanks for watching. cnn presents "foot notes of 9/11 next". i'll see you tomorrow night.