tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 9, 2011 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
>> could you math the joy of walking in and hearing him say, you are a special, special guy? >> the first time i met him, i didn't get a hey, how are you? i'm donald. he said, you're going to make big money because of me, big money because of me. >> you've got to love the donald. >> you got to. >> darrell, it's been great meeting you. inspiring book. i hope people read it in that way. >> thank you. that's all for now. ac 360 starts right now. breaking news on 360. coach joe paterno and the president of penn state university have both lost their jobs tonight in the wake of a child sex abuse scandal at the school. the university's board of trustees made the announcement tonight. >> the board of trustees have decided immediately dr. spanier is no longer president of the university. in addition, joe paterno is no
longer the head football coach, effective immediately. >> what do you make of these scenes we're looking at? >> over the last few days, there was so much passion on both sides of the issue. so many of the students that were there supported joe paterno, really felt like this was a man they had looked up to for so many years, that's why it's so hard for them to take some of this news. even so, in terms of what joe paterno was like, and some of the things he was saying in front of his home. thanking the students for coming out. these types of things, you have to imagine, this is not the type of activity joe paterno would want to see. if you think about the type of man that he is, this is a man that stood for so much. he insisted that his athletes have good grades, he set a high standard, a high bar, so to see students acting in a way that might be rowdy or acting in a way that would some ways
disrespect the university, really goes against what in many ways, joe paterno stood for for some 46 years while he was there coaching there at penn state. >> mike, we've established contact with you now. galanos, what are you seeing now? where are these students going? >> reporter: they are headed to beaver avenue and they are flocking to that place. i was just talking to a student minutes ago and that's what happens. everyone is flocking to beaver avenue because they were behind the pictures that you're looking at at the old main building. and all of a sudden they made a dash for it and now they are assembling it at beaver avenue. we are going to head over there to see what happened. i can imagine the chants will continue, we want joe back. talking about joe pa term know. and just straight up chanting his name. i mean, every student i've
talked to today once again they are in support of him staying on as coach. i don't think any of these students thought this would happen this day, that joe paterno, their beloved and legendary coach, would no longer be the head man for the nittany lions at penn state. >> any signs of college officials or give us some insight into that. >> reporter: nothing that i've seen. the social media was really buzzing right before that press conference, urging people, stay calm. maybe some folks had an inkingling the announcement was coming. and also talking about amped up security. but we have not seen a strong presence. i'm sure they are out there. we can hear sirens as they are coming. they are headed to beaver avenue where everybody is assembling. >> jason, you have been on the story since the beginning. as we see people out and making their feelings known, you have to wonder what the culture of the school is like. you've spoken to people. what kind of a scene is this?
what is the culture like? >> well, what you've seen with so many types of schools like this, football is king. and when you think of football, you think of the iconic figure that stands behind it and that is joe paterno. this is a man who made that program. you can't talk about that program without talking about, quite frankly, people like joe paterno and in the past, jerry sandusky. these are the types of figures that so many athletes are familiar with, and have grown up with. and so when a figure like that is taken out of the equation and not allowed to leave in the way he wants to, you can -- there's obviously going to be some people there who are not going to be happy with that decision. in terms of speaking to some of the players that i've spoke to earlier today, they stood behind the coach, they stood behind his decision to want to finish out the season and then retire but having that last bit taken away, there is going to be some disappointed people there. but having said that, on the
other side of this, we also heard from students who thought that he should have been removed a long time ago and not just him but the other school officials as well. so there was passion on both sides of this issue. but once again, i have to stress the type of rowdy behavior that you see out there, you have to think that someone like a joe paterno, who stood for so much in terms of doing the right thing and acting the right way would not approve of this type of activity. >> i don't know if you know the answer to this, jason, but do you know when the next college football game with the nittany lions is to take place? it begs the question, what kind of scenes we're going to see. >> well, that's this saturday against nebraska. so we'll have to see what happens. it's really anyone's guess. but, once again, i think what will happen tomorrow is, the players will have a heart to heart and then perhaps some things will go out with the
social media in terms of how to conduct onesself. but if anyone is true for what joe paterno tried to teach for so many years, it was behaving in a certain way, getting good grades and being what a true athlete should be. >> jason carroll, stand by. i want to bring in cnn's senior legal analyst jeff toobin, he's on the phone. i imagine you've been looking at these scenes as we have. what do you make of the reaction that coach paterno is out? >> well, i would be very careful about judging the overall reaction to his dismissal by looking at a few angry students. the magnitude of this event is simply enormous. people are horrified across the country, not just across pennsylvania. so while it's not surprising that there is a group of students who supported joe
paterno, i would be very careful drawing any larger conclusions about how much support for him there is. people are horrified across the country about this and as much as joe paterno has been a respected figure in college sports, which he certainly has been, this is a much bigger event than a few protesting students. >> and your thoughts on the board of trustee's decision to remove them effective, joe paterno, and graham spanier to remove them effective immediately. the right move, in your opinion? >> well, you know, since you're asking, i mean, i'm not actually in the business of giving my opinion. i think it was absolutely the right decision. this was a complete collapse, legally, morally, and in every other way by the administration of penn state university. to allow this pedophile to
operate with impunity year after year, abusing children in the penn state locker rooms. and, you know, with no one doing anything about it, and we are only now learning apparently how many victims this guy had and the fact that joe paterno and other administrators had information about his pedophilia and his sexual assault and didn't report it to police is frankly, a moral monstrosity as far as i'm concerned. and i think the idea that he could, again, have appeared on the sidelines for penn state would have been appalling. >> and a number of investigations, if they haven't got it under way, we'll get going shortly, including the department of education investigation, jeff?
>> well, i mean, the investigations are only beginning. and, yes, the department of investigation will proceed and, yes, the attorney general of pennsylvania who brought the charges against sandusky, the former coach and the two administrators, that investigation is proceeding and they are apparently getting more victims all the time. but it's not even over with those. there are going to be many civil lawsuits filed against penn state university charging negligence and worse and allowing these assaults to go on. i mean, i would not be surprised to see penn state certainly sued for many millions of dollars. but i wouldn't be surprised if they -- if they paid some settlements because they are not going to want to have trials about what the administration
did not do in reaction to these sorts of terrible, terrible disclosures. >> jeff, stand by for us. i appreciate the insight. i want to bring in andy staple who covers college football for sports illustrated. andy, thank you for joining us. jeff toobin made an important point, maybe not to characterize these scenes that are playing out at penn state as overwhelming support for joe paterno. do you agree with that? >> i was in college once. i did stupid stuff. i've been watching the pictures that you are sending. i'd be honest, they are just happy to be on tv. i don't think all of them are all that mad about it. >> so you think that the motivation is just to be on tv to let off some steam, as it were? >> when you're 19, 20 years old and a bunch of other 19, 20-year-olds are running around screaming, you'll probably
scream with them, too. >> what are your thoughts on the news that joe paterno is to be removed from his position effective immediately? >> they did what they had to do. there was no way that they could let him coach on saturday. to do that would be to endorse what happened. and what happened was someone told joe paterno that he saw a grown man molest a young boy in a shower and joe paterno, nobody did anything about it, and joe paterno, the most powerful man on campus, the most powerful man in town didn't follow up on it, didn't do anything about it. neither did the athletic director. neither did the vice president of the school, neither did the president of the school and they are all without jobs now and that's the way it should be. >> and stand by for us. mike, if i can go back to you and to the live pictures, what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: right now we saw fireworks being shot off. again, they are heading to an area -- i talked to a couple of
students. basically, they are going to rally and chant. that will continue. they're going to have their voices heard. we saw a few fireworks. it's a few blocks away from where we are now. we are going to head to that area in a moment. but that's what we can tell you at this point. >> what about the point andy staple just made, that his view, some of these kids are out there, it's not just about joe paterno. it's about being young and full of adrenaline and wanting to be on tv? the students you've spoken to, what do they say about the reasons for being out there? >> well, i can't discount that. i'm sure that there is some of that. the students i talked to are all in support of joe paterno and to that point, yeah, we're talking about young students and to them, penn state is joe paterno and they are going to stick by him. he's almost a father or grandfatherly figure. he's an 84-year-old man on the job for 46 seasons. he is penn state. certainly they are going to be in support of him.
i don't know how many read the grand jury report or anything like that. outside the walls of this school and outside of state college, obviously things change in the debate about joe pa turn know and change quickly. i saw a facebook poll on hln that said that 73% said that he should go and go now. and jason, you have been on the story, speaking to a lot of people there at penn state university. what do they say to you about the way forward and how they rebuild from this. >> well, i think this is what we're going to see here. i think we're going to have the sort of flashes of anger that paterno has been forced out but i think once that dies down, the story is going to shift to what jeffrey toobin is talking about, and that is back to jerry sandusky and his victims. isha, i spoke to a source close to the investigation that told me that the police tip line has
received more than a dozen calls since tuesday from more people who say that they have been victimized by jerry sandusky. as you know, so far, he's been charged with sexually assaulting eight boys. eight boys. %ióci6e)v accordin the attorney general, they expect that number to grow, simply because this man for such a long period of time had access to young boys very easily. and in their opinion, that more victims would come forward. and that is what we're starting to see. so i think the story is going to start to shift. it's been focused on paterno because he's in some ways the face of penn state football. but then it should get back to what the story is about, it's not about football.
it's about young boys who were allegedly sexually assaulted by jerry sandusky. and according to the attorney general's office, more victims are starting to come forward. >> tomorrow the conversation is going to be about the scenes that are playing out in these late hours and just really, i would imagine a great amount of debate there at penn state. >> absolutely, without question. the debate is something -- at a college campus, it's all about debate. and i think people will talk about, was the right decision made? was it made quick enough? these are the type of things that will go on and probably throughout the weekend since something that you do have a game coming up and it's a big football school. but once again, even paterno said himself yesterday in front of his home, his son, scott, echo be the same thoughts, which is, their thoughts were for the people who may have been
victimized by jerry sandusky. and that's what he wanted the people who showed up at his home to think about and pray for. >> indeed. all of our thoughts and prayers. jason carroll and mike galanos and sports illustrated and cnn senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. our thanks to all of you. stay with us. our own anderson cooper has an interview with dr. phil mcgraw.i about all of this, all that's taking place at penn state university. my name is marjorie reyes. i'm a chief warrant officer. i love the fact that quicken loans provides va loans.
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more now on the breaking news from penn state university. just announced a short time ago, the university's president and legendary head football coach no longer have jobs in the wake of the child sex abuse scandal. the board of trustees announced that president graham spanier will be replaced, and coach joe pa turnny has been removed from his position effective immediately. earlier, coach paterno said he had plans to resign at the end of the season. he was devastated by the developments in the case. grieve for the children and their families and prayed for their comfort and relieve. so many allegations against former assistant coach jerry sandusky. earlier anderson spoke with dr. phil mcgraw.
>> dr. phil, i find this so stunning. and i guess the thing that x%>- people doing horrible things, but the fact that numerous people actually witnessed sandusky allegedly sexually assaulting these boys, raping these boys in a public space in the shower room. but none of them stepped in to stop the assault as they were actually talking place and didn't seem to really follow up beyond maybe an initial reporting to a supervisor and in one case to paterno. >> well, anderson, that's really disturbing at a couple of levels. you know, one of the things we know about children that are molested is that we are groomed for this. and whether it's through intimidation or whatever it might be, they don't have a voice. they don't have the ability to step up and stop what's going on. and when you have people in a position where they do have a voice, they do have power, that know what's going on, even see what's going on and they don't stop it, how do you go home and have dinner when you've walked past something like that and
leave a child in harm's way? and then when it does get reported and people don't act on it, it makes you wonder, okay, they've got one agenda and they're going to pursue that at the cost of whatever. and when you're throwing children under the bus, leaving them isolated and alone, that is just the most repugnant thing you can imagine. >> before the break, we heard from a man who says when he was an adolescent, jerry sandusky repeatedly placed his hand on his leg. this happened multiple times over several years. other boys who were victimized by sandusky say it began with similar inappropriate touching. if the allegations are true, this guy sounds like a serial predator. >> well, what we know, anderson, is when you have a child molester, it is not atypical, it's not unusual at all for them to have 40 or 50 victims during their life. and they'll go until they've gotten caught and sometimes after they've been caught and then released. so if you see someone like that with a child, you've got to assume that there may be dozens
of other victims. and so if you don't act, not only do you not help that child but you leave others in harm's way. and you wonder how ma&iy,6s&dren were impacted after someone actually witnessed this and they were victimized because somebody didn't step up and do the right thing. and that is so institutionally inconsistent with penn state and the message they put out. >> it also, you know, puts a question mark unfortunately over a lot of good folks who are working with kids and kids in, you know, precarious situations, kids in need, kids who don't have access to a lot of resources. this is a guy who formed a charity which is supposed to help kids in need, and now you wonder was the whole idea of his charity so he could get access to vulnerable kids. >> well, it may very well be. and here's the thing. and this is going to be very disturbing to talk about, but, look, we just need to talk about this. the truth is that stranger danger only comprises about 10% of the assaults that take place
on children, sexual molestation. in 90% of the circumstances, it is someone that is known to them. and let me tell you who can be the most dangerous. it's the predator that understands that there is an at-risk child, maybe a single mother, maybe a mother and father that are both working and they're stressed, and so they step up and say, hey, let me lend a hand, let me help, let them be in my activity here or let me come and take care of them. so that the sad fact is, we have to look the hardest at those who reach out to impact our children. and that's so tragic, because most of those people are just good folks that truly want to help. but embedded in that group are the predators, because they're the ones that reach out and offer what seems like help when, in fact, they're targeting your child. and that makes it real tough for a parent to know who to trust. >> so what's your advice for parents on what they should be looking out for? >> well, one of the things
you've got to look out for, if somebody is coming and offering to be involved with your child and help your child, you need to do a background check on him. you need to know. don't just take the fact that they seem to be credible, that they tell a good game, that they have a seemingly credible organization. you need to take the time to really do a background check. and if you've got somebody that is overly interested in your child and particularly if they know too much about their music, too much about their video games, too much about what interests those kids, if you've got a 40-year-old man who knows too much about what 5- and 6-year-old children are interested in and focused on, that's a warning sign. if you've got someone who is -- relating too much to a teen and focused on what they're turned on by, what they're interested in, what their passions are, that might just be somebody that really relates well to kids, but it may be somebody that has learned their currency in orderj
that they can get next to them and create a bond of trust. >> yeah. dr. phil mcgraw, appreciate it. thanks. >> anderson, thank you. coming up, the debate in michigan. the focus was the economy but the sexual harassment scandal against herman cain also came up. with a very strong reaction from the audience. our political panel weighs in next. also ahead, raw politics. senator rand paul says that president obama is not interested in getting a deal from the super committee, only in getting re-elected. we're keeping them honest that and more when "360" continues. [ male announcer ] do you know how you will react
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cnbc republican debate just wrapped up in suburban detroit michigan just a short time ago. the focus, the economy. but since it was the first debate after four women came forward with sexual harassment allegations against herman cain, everyone was wondering, would that issue come up and how would it be received? the answer came early on in the debate. take a look. >> in recent days, we have learned that four different women have accused you of inappropriate behavior. here we're focusing on character and judgment. you've been a ceo. >> yes. >> you know that shareholders are reluctant to hire a ceo where there are character issues. why should the american people hire a president if they feel there are character issues? >> the american people deserve
better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unfounded accusations. that's what -- [ applause ] >> governor romney, you purchased companies and you fired the ceo or keep them. would you keep the ceo. are you persuaded by what mr. cain has said? would you keep him on if you had bought his company? >> i -- look. look. herman cain is the person to respond to these questions. he just did. the people in this room and across the country can make their own assessment on that. >> joining us live in washington, cnn political contributor paul begala, and also david frum, author of frumforum.com. and in cincinnati, ken bla
blackwell, former ohio secretary of state. good evening, gentlemen. david frum, if i can start with you, there was a gasp by rick perry he couldn't precisely that number. and some are calling this potentially a fatal blunder to his campaign. what's your reaction? >> it was agonizing to watch. i think anyone who's spoken in public has been through something like it before, but never so many eyes. it was painful, but it was painful because it exacted pain. rick perry has been in trouble for some time. there's a question of whether he's up for the job of moving from the state level to the national level. i think his detractors saw what they feared. i think his contributors are going to be very discouraged. >> ken blackwell, what was your reaction to this blunder? >> i think it was a stumble. i don't think it was fatal. >> stumble but not fatal? he needed a good performance, right?
>> in this debate, i think he did just fine. did he present an easy target for those who want to youtube and underscore the stumble? yes. but, look, rick perry is in this for the long haul. he has the money, the determination, the organization. and there will be more debates. >> paul, there were some who didn't appreciate herman cain being asked about the sexual harassment allegations. let me ask you this, do you take that as a signal that the larger republican electorate doesn't want to see mr. cain questioned about all of this? >> well, it was hard to tell. the audience at a later point cheered when congressman ron paul from texas called for abolishing all student loans. and that's not really a
proposition for polling. i doubt if it's important for republicans. i thought mr. cain handled it as well as you could. he didn't get into any more specifics, which i think was wise. he sort of blankly said it wasn't true. the audience lifted him up a bit. and i thought that governor romney, who was asked to comment on it did a smart thing. no. that's for mr. cain to answer, not me. >> were you surprised by the fact that he didn't take the opportunity to go after herman cain? >> i'm not at all surprised by it. it's the right thing to do. there's a lot about this that is unknown and it's not all allegations. there are two settlements. we know about that. money was paid. but it's not something that another candidate needs to get in the way of. it's between this candidate and the voters. i think to your earlier question, it will matter. half of republicans are women and the other half, the other half that is men, i have my daughter who is starting her first paid job this year. she's 20. i look at this -- this kind of
story with a pretty flinty eye. i think there are republicans in the male half of the party who probably feel the same way. >> you saw mitt romney standing aside and not taking advantage of the opening to go after herman cain. but if the poll numbers remain strong and these allegations remain in the news, will that change? will they change that strategy and go after this issue? >> well, i think when you look at the -- two of the first three states in particular, south carolina and iowa, i think the voters of those states will sort these things out. and the other candidates don't have the need or -- nor is it smart for them to go on the attack. the voters are pretty smart. they take the measure of all of the candidates, their character, their policies and herman cain will work through the scrutiny of the voters. >> let's focus a little bit more on mitt romney. david, mitt romney was pressed on his perceived flip on the
government bailout in the auto industry. i want to play a bit of his answer. take a look and then we'll discuss. >> i care about this state and the auto industry like no one else on this stage having been born and raised here, watched my parents make their life here. i was here in the 1950s and 1960s when detroit and michigan was the pride of the nation. i've seen this industry and i've seen this state go through tough times. i think people understand that i'm a man of steadiness and constancy. i don't think you're going to find someone with more of those attributes than i do. i've been married to the same woman for 25 -- excuse me. i'll get in trouble. for 42 years. >> not a stat you want to get wrong. aside from the gaffe about his wife, how did he handle all of this? it's a central criticism of mitt romney that as a politician he shifts with the political winds? >> well, i don't think it's a fair criticism, especially on this point. there he is on the stage in
michigan and defended bankruptcy for the automakers. that takes some nerve. he's also had a different position on what you do about the automakers who are not central to the whole world financial system and the banking system that went into crisis in 2008. managed bankruptcy is something he did talk about for a long time. and i think some of the questions about the flip-flopping occur because mitt romney is trying to hold on to some nuance positions in the base of a party that's clamoring for red meat. he doesn't want to end his career by telling the audience they're wrong. but there are clearly differences between him and some of these primary voters. and he has to walk the line between the nominee and the president. >> gentlemen, we have to leave it there. paul, ken, david, thank you all for joining us. still ahead on 360, big drama on capitol hill. rand paul accuses democrats of
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committee was supposed to be the exception. they can't even agree on what's going on at their meetings. rand paul went on fox news and sean hannity's radio show with what we considered a scoop that committee democrats had walked out, refusing to negotiate. >> "i have news straight from sources close to the supercommittee that the democrats have walked away from the table and they're refusing to talk with the republicans about a deal. they will not counter any offers and basically there's an impasse and it's starting to look like they don't want any deal at all." >> democrats, on the other hand, say they haven't walked away from anything and called paul's statement, quote, absolutely ridiculous. earlier i had a chance to speak with senator rand paul about his controversial statements. >> senator paul, you said today that the democrats on the supercommittee have walked away from the table or you'd heard they walked away from the table. our reporters on the hill haven't heard that version of the events. the democrats are flatout
denying it. "national journal" is quoting a republican aide saying a democratic senator suggested a time-out. that's not walking away. are you sure they walked away? >> well, you know, i get most of my information from watching chuck schumer on the cable news networks, and it sounds like this morning he's saying that we won't negotiate and the negotiations are breaking down. so i think it's probably safe to say that we are at an impasse. but, you know, they say the walls have ears. i think the walls also have whispers, and the whispers i'm hearing are that the democrats have walked away from the table and they're unwilling to really try to honestly reach a compromise. it's made me think, because i see the president always on the campaign trail now, and i see him really liking to beat up on a congress that's not doing anything. my suspicion is maybe the president doesn't want a deal, that maybe he sees his campaign to benefit by not having a deal. >> you actually said something similar to that earlier today on -- i think it was on sean
hannity's program. it was a pretty bold statement of what you said. i want to play that for our viewers and ask you about it. >> "i think the president's calculation here is that it helps his campaign not to have a deal. so i don't think he cares at all about what this will do to people's retirement accounts on november 23rd, 24th, if the stock market plummets, the president doesn't care about your retirement account. he cares only about his election and any deal will not be good for his election." >> it's a pretty tough statement so say that the president doesn't care about people's 401(k)s. do you really believe that? >> you know, i suspect that we're getting to that point because everything is about his campaign now. i'll give you an example. if you wanted to work with me, would you call me stupid? the president on the campaign trail is saying republicans are too stupid to understand his jobs program so he's breaking it up into pieces. yeah, there's a stick and the carrot to diplomacy. if he wants to work with us, he should call us and talk to us. we have actually parts of our jobs bill which we introduced
today, the republicans' jobs bill, that both sides could agree to. but do you think -- the rhetoric doesn't help. for him to call us too stupid to understand his plan isn't getting us any closer to a deal. >> the cbo report this week made it clear a cuts-only approach is not going to get a jobs bill done. you talk to a lot of republicans, they won't even consider revenue increases, though. >> a lot of people are talking about getting rid of loopholes and reductions. precise what the president wants. he's saying we won't compromise, and many reports are coming out from the supercommittee. we have been. >> just getting -- >> plan after plan. they've been meeting for two months, and republicans have offered to close loopholes repeatedly. that is on the table. but the democrats are backing away from the table, and the word i got was late last evening walking away from the table and saying, you know, we don't have any more discussion now. we're not going to counter that. they're just not coming towards us. while we are trying to come towards them. >> and for you, you say that's all about politics on the democratic side. >> i worry that it is.
i mean, you've seen the president on the campaign trail. there's a lot of bashing of republicans for being too stupid to understand his jobs plan. there's a lot of bashing of millionaires and billionaires and republicans won't do anything with his jobs bill. we have a jobs bill, too. if you're going to compromise, he needs to come look at our jobs bill. call me up. i'm down the street from him. call me up, sit down with me, and let's work out a compromise on a jobs bill and we can pass something. he's not doing that. he's on the campaign trail all the time bashing us. he needs to be in washington calling up -- doesn't have to be me but it could be other republican leaders. he should sit down with mitch mcconnell or other leaders and say this part of the jobs plan that i have, could you agree to this if we did not. >> tim geithner -- >> instead it's all or nothing. >> tim geithner did that before going to europe. he sat down with mcconnell and according to reports mcconnell said essentially what you said, that democrats don't really want to make a deal, that the president wants this stuff to fail. geithner said no, that's not true, we've put forward a number
of plans. >> yeah, but when you hear him on the campaign trail he says we won't pass his jobs plan. the vice president says we're responsible for rape and murder because we won't pass their jobs plan. that's the kind of rhetoric -- people are saying we're not going to compromise, that gets us nowhere. that inflammatory rhetoric gets us nowhere. i'm willing to have a reasonable discussion. i had a very good discussion with the president one-on-one and personally said i would work with him. i still stand by that. i will work with the president. i will work with him to find middle ground. but it doesn't help if he's calling us names on the campaign trail all the time. >> senator rand paul, appreciate your time, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> keeping them honest, you heard senator paul claim the president called republicans stupid. i did some checking. we found no evidence of that. but in talking about his jobs plan and how congress was voting on it in pieces, he did say, maybe they, quote, the gop, couldn't understand the whole thing all at once. no mention of the word stupid, though the implication is there. still ahead, new developments in the herman cain sexual harassment scandal,
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time now for the ridiculous, tonight we're adding the dancing with the stars judges, voters. and basically the entire system of checks and balances on that show. because somehow, and i don't know how, but somehow hln's own nancy grace has gotten the boot. >> on this eighth week of competition, the couple who will be eliminated just one week shy of the semifinals is -- nancy and tristan. >> yep. came down to her versus rob kardashian. rob is a kardashian who isn't kim or the other one or that other one or those two younger two. let's just say there is a somewhat loose definition of stars sometimes on "dancing with the stars." so nancy made it a full eight weeks in the competition, which is amazing. it is a heartbreaker to be sure.
because from the very first week, she mamboed into our hearts and then like a tiny, super feisty dancing comet, she was gone. but taking the loss gracefully, nancy says she's happy to have made it as far as she did. >> i am so proud, but i really cannot take the credit. you know what, it's been all tristan from the get-go. >> that's very sweet, giving a little nod to her dancing partner, tristan there. here's what she had to say later in the evening about what the journey, for some reason they all call it a journey, meant to her. >> the most important thing i'll take away is a new love in my heart, and that would be tristan, because we -- don't get crazy -- we have worked together seven days a week for a long time now. and contrary to the way we were depicted, we -- i actually love tristan very much. so i'm taking away a new best friend. >> she really likes that tristan. nancy also thanked her fans and the people who voted for her every week. >> thank you for voting for us and for getting to know tristan.
and hopefully you'll have many more seasons to know him. and i'll see you on the air. >> nancy, geez. enough with the tristan talk already. tristan this, tristan that. let's talk about you, nancy, because i happen to think the "dancing with the stars" judges and the voters, the whole system failed and failed miserably. this verdict was wrong. you know, friends, i'm suddenly starting to understand why nancy gets so fired up on her hln show. can we take a caller or something? no callers? okay. in any case, the verdict was wrong, justice did not prevail, but in the end i like to think any way nancy won. and you know what, we all won. who thought we'd get a chance to see nancy grace do a cartwheel? zowie. what other thing would lead to a nationwide debate when nancy had that wardrobe malfunction. i'm going to miss nancy