tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN July 17, 2013 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
>> reporter: rick is a stickler for stickability. well done and well hung. cnn new york. >> thank you. that is it for me. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outrage over "rolling stone's" new cover. did the magazine go way too far. protesters demanding florida repeal its stand your ground law. we decided to look at the numbers. does that law lead to bias against one racial group. and new developments in the edward snowden case. will russia's relationship lead to an american olympic boycott? let's go outfront. good evening everyone.
i'm erin burnett. outrage over this. that is not a rock star. that is what is called on the front cover of "rolling stone" the bomber. dzhokhar tsarnaev on the front cover. a photo massachusetts governor calls quote out of taste. boston's mayor slammed the cover writing that it quote rewards a terrorist with celebrity treatment. it is ill conceived at best and reaffirms a terrible message that destruction gains fame for killers and their causes. motley crew drummer has been on the cover of "rolling stone" more than once tweeted really rolling stone wtff. and country music star john rich. you always think if i get on "rolling stone" i will know i have made it until they started
promoting terrorists. cvs, wall greens and stop and shop all say they will not carry this issue of "rolling stone" on their shelves. was the cover in bad taste or is this journalism? erica joins me now. i want to start off with this. we had an interview all day scheduled with the writer of the piece but it was cancelled this afternoon. we are not exactly sure what the reasons are. >> you got the second string. >> well, i didn't mean it to come out that way. you are good to roll with it. let me share with you the statement that they put out. the cover story falls within journalism and rolling stone's sear skps and thoughtful coverage.
dzhokhar tsarnaev is young makes it porpt for us to examine the complexities of the issue. obviously you can do that without putting the guy on the front in a way that a lot of people thought it was a rock star until it was pointed oout that it was someone who engaged in a terrorist act and killed americans. they put charles manson on the cover in 1970. does that make it okay? >> no. absolutely i believe this is a perfectly fine iteration of journalism. i think it is cowardly that "rolling stone" would not put their journalist out front to defend it because i think it is an easy thing to defend. what you have here is a story about a guy who was a very, very integrated and well balanced by all accounts member of our society until something happened. we don't know precisely what happened. that was the point of this story to account for how he slid off
the rails. i think it is quite a good account. i think it is a good story and i think the photo goes right with the story. if you care about how this happened i think you have to credit row "rolling stone" with spending two months on the story. nobody is saying thanks for taking a look at this person who created so much destruction. i think if you are in favor of enlightenment over ignorance you have to applaud what "rolling stone" did and you have to site as cowardly what the corporations have done which is refuse to distribute "rolling stone." >> you think what they are doing is cowardly. let me ask you this. we poled viewers. most of them found this very offensive. three quarters said it was offensive. 26% said no. the same photo was used on the front page of the "new york times" in may.
that is different than a pop culture magazine. i remember looking at that picture at that time and it made me think more about as the media the role at we play in doing what some people on twitter were criticizing "rolling stone" for as in glorifying and giving theme people their moment in the sun. >> i see it as humanization. this picture it humanizes dzhokhar tsarnaev. they want to see him as an animal from day one. he wasn't an animal at least to his peer group for the longest time. they remembered him as a dear friend. that is a problem because he was part of our society and he turned on it by all indications or allegedly. that is a huge problem and that is very disconcerting because we would like to think and i think it is true that the more people become integrated in our society, the more they love it
and the less inclined they would be to do something as ghastly as this. that is what is really upsetting about this. it is not that "rolling stone" used an image that is out there that has been used before to illustrate a story that is perfectly congruous with the picture. there is nothing about these two things. they exist side beside very hormoniously. >> thank you very much. made me think of the evil and sometimes we want to see things as inhuman and maybe looking at it a different way opens your mind to try to stop it in the future. i want to share the new developments we have in the boston marathon bombing and a crucial link between one of the bomb suspects and a triple homicide a year and a half before the attacks. one man knew several players involved in both crimes and he
opened up in this special investigation. >> reporter: with the terror attack on boston three people in john allen's world were about to collide, three people who trained in boxing and mixed martial arts. all three are now dead and key among them is tamerlan tsarnaev seen working out at the gym days before the attack. were you surprised at his demeanor 72 hours before those bombs? >> just him entering the ring, i mean, you know, like jumping over both legs, feet at his shoulder height, clearing the ring, jumping rope. like he was on top of the world. >> reporter: allen trained tsarnaev and another russian speaker. >> they were polar opposites as individuals. tamerlan was very flashy.
the other was a bit more reserved but he was hot headed. there were a few times that they prayed into gym which wasn't abnormal to do it because he did it from day one but it was abnormal for tamerlan. >> so they were getting closer. >> reporter: he said they trained together in 2011. that same year tsarnaev's friend brendan mess was murdered in a near beheading along with two pals. sources say tsarnaev were involved in the murders. do you believe that tamerlan and maybe the other had anything to do with the triple murders in. >> i know tamerlan was daily if not at least once a week hanging at that house. >> reporter: he said the reaction was strange almost
dismissing his friend's murder. >> at first i took it for nerving energy because tamerlan always put up a mask, a front. he always appeared in control. >> reporter: shortly after the stan. s tamerlan went to dag allen says he gave fbi agents his name. he was shot after allegedly implicating himself in the murders. >> it is very hard to believe. >> reporter: he has become a crucial player in this. are there new developments you have tonight? >> clearly the investigation of how he was shot is on going. it is an active investigation. he was killed on may 22. the autopsy report was finalize on july 8. the fbi is now saying they don't want to release the report or the details because it is under active investigation. we know that two of the massachusetts states police
officers who were there at the time of the shooting did discharge weapons but have retained council. usually florida is good about releasing documents. the cause was right now the fbi is saying they want to hold on to it because they want to make sure and see what happened and how. >> of course. thank you very much. still to come the man who held three women captive for more than a decade was back in court today. still haven't heard much from victims on the crime. a woman who counseled one of the most famous kidnappings tells us what they are facing. black twitter is trending. and a major legal decision today. later in the show the royal baby watch continues. what else did you think i was going to talk about. one member of the royal family is totally over it. all business purchases.
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ariel castro is back in court today. you may know him as the cleveland kidnapping suspect. he entered a plea of not guilty this afternoon to an indictment of 977 counts. with his head down, his eyes closed you can see him there. that is just today. the judge had to ask him several times to look up and acknowledge
the charges against him which include 512 counts of kidnapping, 446 counts of rape and 2 counts of aggravated murder. we first learned about michele knight, amanda berry and gina de jesus on june 6. >> help me. i am amanda berry. >> i need police. >> what is going on there? >> i have been kidnapping. i have been missing for ten years. i am here. i am free now. >> just over two months after escaping the three women are trying to move on with their lives and they want the world to know it. >> i may have been through hell and back but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile on my face. i will not let the situation define who i am. i will define the situation.
>> michele knight was 21 when she was abducted on august 22, 2002. she was allegedly raped repeatedly and impregnated five times. >> i don't want to be consumed by hatred. with that being said we need to take a leap of faith and know that god is in control. >> reporter: amanda berry was 16 when she was kidnapped on april 21, 2003. today she lives with the fact that her 6-year-old daughter was fathered by cast ro. at least in this video she sounds positive, even hopeful. >> i want everybody to know how happy i am to be home with my family and friends. i want to thank everyone who has helped me and my family. i am getting stronger each day and having my privacy has helped. >> and gina de jesus was just 14 when she was abducted while
walking home from school on april 2, 2004. she referred to her father at times to speak on her behalf. this was her simp issal message. >> i would say thank you for the support. >> michele knight, amanda berry and gina de jesus face a lengthy process. rebecca bailey, a therapist for dugard. she is the author of "safe kids smart parents". >> when you watch their faces which for some reason to me makes it so much more emotional you hear them speak about how they are doing. what is your first impression?
>> i haven't had contact with their therapists or contact with them. i can tell you that it looks to me like they are owning their story which is a wonderful thing to say. i am so careful about speculating particularly on what is behind the emotion of them coming forward but i know that if they were ready to do it and they wanted to do it, good for them. >> in may she received the hope award. i wanted to play a little bit of what she said. >> i am so thankful for the team of people that have supported me throughout these last few years. i am so grateful to all of you. i can't say they have been easy but anything in life worth doing is sometimes hard.
>> it's been almost four years since she was freed. it's impossible to imagine the emotion she still goes through, the confusion. obviously she has completely turned her swapgz around into one that inspires others. what do you say to these women who have been free for just over two months and it seems like the beginning of a life long journey. >> it is the beginning of a journey. if i was sitting here with them based on the work that i have done with other victims i would say to them don't let this define you. don't let this be who you are for the rest of your life. that can be difficult particularly early on. if they are noticed or recognized in public people may want to come up to them so they repeatedly get brought back to that memory. what i would say to them and what i would hope that they
would see is that they can be so much more than those years that happened. really important. >> and before you go, amanda has a 6-year-old girl fathered by ariel castro. she has that constant reminder for the rest of her life which of course is different than gina and michelle. they don't have that. jaycee had two children by her captor. it is impossible to imagine the feelings when you are struggling with this. what is going to happen to amanda given the specific story of her having this child? >> well, of course, we don't know -- there are so many individual differences. i think from cases for example with the rape victims and other situations it is possible for children to be loved and supported and embraced by their
mother, by their father regardless of the circumstance. so all of us have a challenge with our identity in figuring out who we are and who we want to be. so i guess i can say to that is it is really important that people allow this little girl to thrive, move forward, that the media stays away from her like it looks like is happening. that is one of the reasons we wrote this book because we really want people to understand that these are really rare events. it's important that kids understand the events that happen. it is important kids have a language to talk about it so even a kid who is a survivor has a way of understanding and making sense. >> thank you very much for taking the time. still to come the controversy of the nsa leaker who is still hold up in the moscow airport. should the united states do
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olympics and give hitler a propaganda platform. >> you are not comparing. >> what i am saying is would you have the olympics in iran? i don't think most people would. is russia iran? no but they are headed in that direction. >> earlier today house speaker john boehner rejected that idea. >> he is dead wrong. why would we want to punish u.s. athletes who have been training for three years to compete in the olympics over a traitor who can't find a place to call home? >> margaret hoover and her partner in life. the u.s. boycotting the olympics. the u.s. says this guy has done horrible things and he can get asylum. some people are really frustrated. should the u.s. boycott the olympics to send a message? >> i think it is a fair thing
that he said. it should be on the table. he is not saying we should boycott but is saying it should be one tool in our tool kit. it appears we don't have leverage. i think having it on the table is a very reasonable signal to send to russia. >> what do you think? >> i don't. this is a dumb idea. we have boycotted the russian olympics in 1980 and the only people who got hurt were the american athletes. >> you are agreeing with john boehner. >> i am agreeing with john boehner. let the records show. it would be a bad idea then and it is now. now we have proof. >> let us know who you side with. still to come call to end stand your ground law in florida by celebrities, activists, politicians. we wanted to know if they were saying it or if it was true.
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in urging states to take a second look at stand your ground. >> i think the issue is are they effective. do they have unintended consequences? and it's the president's views that the goal should be to reduce gun violence so we have fewer tragic deaths as a result of gun violence. >> we have heard people say recently that stand your ground discriminates against african-americans. we wanted to see if that claim adds up. >> reporter: the outcry is not going away. at churches in florida's black communities. >> got to change that stand your ground law. that is a must. if you don't like the law vote out the people put in. >> reporter: florida is taking a beating over the stand your ground law. stevie wonder adding to the
chorus. >> until the stand your ground law is abolished in florida i will never perform there again. >> reporter: the attorney general. >> we must stand our ground to ensure our laws reduce violence and take a look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent. >> reporter: there may be good reason for the outrage. the tampa bay times newspaper took a look at stand your ground that says if you are in fear for your life you have no duty to retreat and can meet force with force. between 2005 when the law was enacted and 2012 the newspaper found nearly 200 cases. some of the findings bring into question whether justice was doled out evenly. chris davis is the paper's investigative editor. >> the race of the victims seemed to be a difference maker cht. >> reporter: in stand your ground cases regardless of the race of the person claiming stand your ground the paper
found 73% of those who killed a black person faced no penalty. 59% of those who killed a white person faced no penalty. >> there was a clear statistical difference between when a victim was white or a victim was black. and it was -- you were much more likely to go free if you killed a black victim than a white victim. >> there may be other cases out there they just didn't find. the times reporting did uncover some bizarre cases where the law was perhaps not being applied the way it was intended. >> reporter: a jogger who beat a dog, a homeowner who shot a bear and in nearly one-third of the cases, the defendant claiming stand your ground, initiated the fight, shot or pursued the victim and went free. in several cases they walked.
one of the bills original sponsors agrees. >> i think want to empower law abiding citizens to defend themselves from violent attack. we have a shared goal with our critics. we would like to see a reduced number of victims of violent crime. >> reporter: civil rights leaders believe it is a travesty. >> stand your ground, that is the worst violation of civil rights of state law in this country. >> reporter: for now in florida stand your ground is a standoff. >> pretty amazing when you talk about how a lot of these cases the person who ended up killing someone was actually the initiator, the aggressor. i'm curious about the point you raised about the sample size. 200 cases. is that a good enough sample to draw a conclusion on whether
african-americans are targeted. >> the newspaper points out 200 people not enough of a sample size to draw any conclusion about racial discrimination. they also say that they are continuing to do their study and now that they moved into 2013 they have added another 35 cases. they are up to 235. that is still way, way small. just put it in perspective. in 2011 alone in florida there were 958 murders. and there were 13,000 aggravated assaults using a firearm. so 200 cases of stand your ground is a very small sample size. >> especially when you put it in context there. from the very beginning and i just remember this when the verdict came out. social media went crazy. it's been a major force behind the trayvon martin story. especially on twitter where black twitter is taking over.
>> reporter: juror b 37 clinched a deal to write a book about the zimmerman case before she talked to cnn and referred to george zimmerman as george. >> if there was another person spanish, white, asian, if they came in the same situation they were trayvon was i think george would have reacted the exact same way. >> the back lash on twitter was quick and fierce. tweeted good advice. if you are a juror of a pressure cooker case and lots of people hate you wait a decade or two before your book deal. someone else tweeted juror b 37 had a book deal less than 24 business hours after the verdict. anger prompted genie lauren to start a petition urging tweeters to protest. within hours the book deal was cancelled. >> i am shocked by the whole thing. i didn't think it would happen so soon. >> reporter: it is part of a
phenomenon called black twitter. go with me here. not all black twitterers are black and not all black people who tweet are part of black twitter. those who are tweet often about race, pop culture and the black community. after celebrity chef paula deen admitted to racial slurs. she lost a series of endorsements. hilton says black twitter is a cultural force. >> black twitteroesn't always use twitter as a serious place. it can be a very fun place. it can be a place to talk about television shows and tell jokes. it just depends on the situation. >> you would be surprised what powerful people can get away with. >> reporter: take this exchange i had with oprah about cast diversity on the tv show scandal. oprah tweeted she is genius at
it and invites everybody to the table. i tweeted back. oprah replied to by tweet. fell off couch. black twitter can galvinize essence magazine launched he is not a suspect. one says is one of america most famous block icons would have embraced twitter. >> if dr. king was alive he would use twitter because that is how everybody is getting out messages most effectively. you have the farthest reach. >> reporter: a reach of millions in an instant. don lemon, cnn new york. still outfront who is poisoning school lunches? plus following the comment of a juror interviewed by cnn. calls for identities of all jury
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stabilizing and are actually out of danger. i spoke to a 12-year-old child who said he had a tiny amount of rice and potatoes and almost immediately started vomiting and feeling dizzy. the doctors said most children showed the same symptoms, some fainting and with pupils dilated. he said some had a foul smell in their mouth. this is an insecticide. the doctor said he has seen such cases of poisoning before but never on this scale. >> that is awful. let's check in with anderson. >> tonight on the program following exclusive interview. a stunning statement from juror b 37. she calls on legislators to change laws that she says left her with no other option than a
not guilty verdict. we are tackling the stand your ground laws in florida. and many states across the country. what exactly are they and whom do they protect. legal team looks in. the president has been quiet on the zimmerman case since the verdict came out. letting the attorney general react. we'll discuss that with "new york times" columnist. our fifth story. up until now we have only heard from one of the six women who found george zimmerman not guilty. that is juror b 57. we still do not know her name. she was in the shadow. the remaining five other jurors have decided to not speak at all in shadow or otherwise. now that the trial is over, do they have that right? should their identities be revealed. columnist for the orlando
sentinel, the jurors named should be released now. let me ask you this. mark oer mara attorney for george zimmerman said the names should be kept completely private to allow a cooling off period. why do you think there is a need for them to be released immediately after that verdict? >> well, i want to be clear. my column didn't say the jurors should be public during the trial or while they are deliberating or even immediately. there might be some reasonable amount of time during which the jurors' names should remain confidential. we are seeing a tendency to push the time frame out farther and farther. the original motion didn't put a time frame on it. it called for the jurors to remain confidential indefinitely. the latest proposal is six months. we don't know what the judge is going to rule.
it could be six months or longer. after casey anthony they were kept private for three months. at what point do we start to undermine the all right. so in your book you wrote about secret juries and i'm quoting you here, secret juries under mine public confidence in the system. when jurors aren't open to scrutiny the american legal system is asking for trouble. let me ask you directly because nobody wants a justice system undermined but how does the justice system not knowing the jurors' names undermine the justice system? >> we want to focus on the checks and balances in the justice system. sometimes things can happen on juries within deliberations that need to be known.
today in response to the column i was contacted who shared a sta defendant convicted of murder and you know, i've covered a bunch of trials and, you know, it used to be when the trial was over the jurors would walk out of the courtroom and you could go up to them and ask if they were willing to comment and this gentleman did this and he learned the jurors found out about a prior conviction of this individual, prior plea deal he made and considered that. that was in his story and it turned out the guy got a new trial. so i think that having jurors open does offer another system of checks and balances. >> it's an interesting point. after juror b 37 spoke a lot of people threatened her and tweets. one was someone should shoot and kill her kid and see if the
killer had justification, juror b 37 need to show her face so i can whoop her a star star. the reason there is secret in the system so people can surf and not fear. that evers a lot of sense to a lot of people. >> absolutely. i don't mean to minimize any threat or any, you know, feelings of concern that jurors might have or people have for them. that's very valid. i also want to point out prior to the verdict we heard these sweeping predictions that there would be all kinds of quote unquote race riots and i found that to be offensive, and it turns out that since the verdict, you know, that really hasn't been the case. yes, there have been some incidents in some, you know, very isolated cases. but for the most part, what are we seeing? >> peaceful -- >> peaceful demonstrations.
people using their voices on twitter. people using their voices demonstrating at public buildings. i mean, this is what america is about, and so is the jury system. >> beth, thanks very much. we appreciate it. check occupant her column why she thinks names should be released after the trials. every night we like to take a look at the today's top stories, the out front out take until this baby arrives, it is, you know, kind of sitting there on the side. royal baby watch 2013. another day has come and gone and kate middleton still has not given birth but the delay and heat are not stopping the media from obsessing. look at this, the media remain camped out in front of the hospital. this is the video we get, video of ourselves. this is the things you think about us. we like to take pictures of ourselves. video waiting and clocks waiting for kate. but it's not just us. the brits continue to bet ten of thousands of pounds when the
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