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outfront tonight, cnn just learning that the president sent a secret letter to the ayatollah, the iran supreme leader. it says they have a shared interest in beating isis. josh earnest won't even acknowledge existence of the letter saying only it came up in negotiation during nuclear negotiations with iran. >> we have also discussed on the side lines of those talks, on a couple of occasions, the ongoing campaign that is being conducted against isil by the united states. >> chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is "outfront" tonight. this is a huge thing that has happened. they are still not talking about the secret letter directly, and you are learning it is not just a letter. >> that is right. i'm told that the u.s. has
opened communication channels with iran, via the iraqis regarding action with isis and this is what i'm told by a senior diplomat. it is not coordinating military action toward isis but it is necessary for what the military calls deconflict in military operations. the channels are informal and conducted on case-by-case basis via the iraqi military, but they are in communication, including that letter. the communications have become necessary, said a u.s. military official, because the u.s. and iran are now operating in the same spaces against a common enemy, isis. as a result, quote, accommodations must be made indirectly, the official said. this includes air space management so u.s. and iran aircraft do not conflict while carrying out military operations in the same air space. the u.s. is reaching out to iran
via the white house. president obama addressing the letter to the supreme leader last month saying the u.s. and iran have share the interest in fighting isis but it hinged on resolving the nuclear issue. >> they are concerned about isil which they have expressed as well, but i would not look at it as a path to a different kind of coordination. >> reporter: on working with iran, many are skeptical. >> i don't trust the iranians, i don't think we need to bring them into this and i hope the negotiation that are underway are serious negotiation, but i have my doubts. >> reporter: the new out reach to iran comes as the u.s. takes military action not just against isis but the al qaeda khorasan group. bomb maker david drugeon was center to the plans to attack the u.s. his skill of concealing
explosives inside small personal electronics such as cell phones, with the intention of smuggling them on to u.s. commercial aircraft helped spark u.s. airstrikes against the hideouts in syria, including a series of strikes on thursday which appear to have killed him. but officials still consider the threat imminent and in the final stages. >> the u.s. and the west have been cracking down hard on foreign fighters attempting to make their way to iraq and syria to join isis. interpol telling the a.p., to get around those, they are taking cruise ships to turkey and crossing the border into iraq. just another sign of how the groups adapt to the many measures taken to try to stop them from fuelling isis with more foreign fighters. the latest estimate something in the order of a thousand per month making their way to the conflict. >> a thousand per month. and as we were talking with bob boehner, nothing like this has been seen before in modern
history. juning me is bob baird and bill flauts. i want to start first with the bomb maker jim was reporting on. we have heard about the bomb maker and how the individual was incredibly adept at creating bombs that could go on passenger aircraft and evade detection in airports. who did they kill? do you know? >> well he was just one of the bomb makers. he wasn't the key one. asiri, a saudi who lives in yemen has mastered the technology, some of them are palestinians working with al qaeda and truly the technology is scary. we played around with it in the 80s and preproduced the bombs at a cia base and you can get them through any airport security including today. can you hide the -- you can hide the explosives with plastic, and on and on, if you know how to
use them, planes are vulnerable. so taking out a bomb maker is very important but there are other ones out there. >> right. and colonel, that is the big question, there are other ones out there. does the united states know even how much or who? >> well this is obviously a national priority for the central intelligence agency to figure out who are the bomb makers because they are the most direct threat to the united states. they try to implant the bombs on airplanes and try to mail them to us. and so taking out that capability is a high payoff operation for us. >> and bob, to the colonel's point, the attempt to mail one of those bombs was tried and failed. but you talk about this, how sophisticated this is and how terrifying it is, how come they haven't done it yet? >> that's a good question and i keep asking intelligence officers why haven't they hit? they have a motivation. and the middle east is getting worse and why don't they send somebody with a french passport
that doesn't need a visa and attack somebody with a car here and they cannot explain it. and i asked the question over, and they say it is inevitable, but we can't tell you when. >> which is terrifying because we're talking about passenger planes. colonel mon sure, the president of the united states, on the night when we are hearing about the bombs on planes, is trying to make a deal with iran, right. about a year ago, september 27th, 2013, that call happened. remember the president called him, rouhani, and they hadn't spoken, they hadn't spoken since 1979. it has been over a year. so after that call, sanctions were pulled back and said let's do a nuclear deal. and it is a year later and there have been no access but the sanctions have been pulled back. that sounds crazy to people.
>> i think we have relaxed the pressure right when the sanctions were having the impact we wanted them to have and we shouldn't have relaxed them until they came to an agreement on the deal. there is a deadline, november 24th. and think the letter that the president sent to the supreme leader was directed at getting a deal done by that date. it didn't have anything to do with isis, it was more about getting a deal. and bob bear, is there going to be a deal here? the problem is, if the stick was taken away, how do you get the deal now? >> well the iranians, i think, are reluctant to make a deal we want at this point because we need them so badly in syria and iraq. we cannot defeat isis without the cord nation, even -- coordination, even implicit without the iranians. they have enormous influence there both in the military and we are trying to moderate the shiite militias an we are doing
that indirectly through iran. so if this diplomacy fails on the 24th, i think it is unfortunate because the fact is whether we like it or not, we have to work with iran and iraq. >> and colonel, here is the other thing though. the president is saying that united states and iran and the secret letter has share the interest when it comes to isis but it ends there. there is bashir al assad, we want him gone and they don't. >> well they are an army and that is a big sticking point with those fighting isis in syria and more importantly we need the iraqi government to reach out to the sunni government in iraq and iran could veto any outreach by the prime minister of iraq to his sunni constituents. and so this is, again, an area where we need iran to play ball. but they have no incentive to do so right now. >> thanks very much to both of you. troubling conversation. "outfront" next, we know the identity of the navy sale who
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breaking news, the navy s.e.a.l. who said he fired shot that killed osama bin laden. who is this man and did he actually take down osama bin laden. here is what we are learning tonight about him and his account. >> the former navy s.e.a.l.'s name was robert o'neal. he was a career seal and now a motivational speaker. >> here is his version of what happened in the early hours of may 2nd, 2011. with no moon, under the cover of darkness, they entered bin laden's house and relying on night vision goggles and instinct. and let me show you an animation says happened. he told the washington post he
fired the kill shot saying bin laden had his hand on a woman pushing her forward. but other seals tell a different story about what happened in the compound. they tell our peter bergen another s.e.a.l. fired the shot, coming from the area of the stairs that led to the floor where he was looking out of the door of his bedroom. they say the s.e.a.l. who took the first shot at osama bin laden won't ever speak out and two other s.e.a.l.s shot him before he died. >> and two different versions in a moment in history that will never be forgotten. and joining me, the reporter from the washington post and interviewed him. you spoke to him, what did he say about this hugely contentious issue, because a lot
of s.e.a.l.s are angry and i know john will talk about that, about why he came out and said here is my name and my version. why did he do it? >> it was a complicated decision for him for a number of reasons. first of all there is the safety issue, he is worried about himself and the family and people he cares about. and within that group of soldiers and s.e.a.l.s, they don't talk about what they do. i think for him it was important to control a story that he felt was coming out any way. there is a number of people that knew the story, including members in the military, and members of congress and the media, and if he said if this is going to come out, i have a story i want to come out and come out my way. >> and so he is a s.e.a.l. and it is controversial and others say he didn't fire the kill shot and that is not how it happened and are not sharing their names but sharing their version. what is the oath you took as a
s.e.a.l. about secrecy? >> so whether it is a ranger or s.e.a.l. or special forces or any of the men and women who do the special missions, we don't talk about the missions. and take nothing away from these men, i cannot be -- respect them any more than i do. we can't talk about what we do. the first problem that starts with the white house in that we should not know that navy s.e.a.l.s are the ones that took him out. and that is the first problem. and then the next problem is, they should not know how we do it. just that we took care of osama bin laden and the americans are safer. >> and i guess in a sense dangled in front of them the possibility of fame and fortune. which you can't discount that because you look at defense secretaries writing books and making money coming out with their versions and these guys are supposed to sit there and be heroes and not say anything. how concerned is robert o'neal about his safety? we know his name and what he
looks like, his age, where he lives and he's the man who said he killed osama bin laden? >> i think that was a big down side as he was thinking about this. he is a public figure any way because he speaks as a motivational speaker around the country and he has frequent appearances and people know about these in advance. so it is a difficult thing. he's thought about this. i think he feels that he's safe. he feels that his country security and his personal sense of self-awareness and looking after himself will take care of him. but i do feel like he wants to set the record straight and feels there is a piece of history he was a part of it and wants to describe it. and the other thing, the narrative that has emerged, it is complicated and none of waus was there so we don't know. but he lays out a pretty compelling story that other s.e.a.l.s were there but it was a confusing night but it was robert that made his way into the room and took osama bin
laden down. >> and there were other s.e.a.l.s there that night saying he didn't fire the kill shot, two other s.e.a.l.s did so. and you say you've spoken to others on the team who do corroborate what he said, that it was robert oneal. >> there was a shot fired first. the guy that was a point man. one step ahead of o'neal. that shot, as far as o'neill could see, didn't hit osama bin laden. he has a woman in front of him and he rolls to the floor and takes aim and shoots osama bin laden through the head. it is not dramatically different from the other accounts but i think it is more precise and holds good weight as we look at it. >> what do you make of the point jobby was taking about the fact that why did the white house say they were s.e.a.l.s or put that out there and make them famous, but then say, oh, you can't
share your story when, as i pointed out, other public figures who were involved in defense and security and national intelligence get to write books and make money? >> it is one thing to write a book about what you do, as long as it is not endangering lives or what we do. it is one thing to think you know what navy s.e.a.l.s do but it is another thing for them to go on tv and confirm it. we have something called operational security and sometimes we say you don't know because you don't need to know. of course all americans want to hear the adventure and the excitement of this thing to take care of an enemy that killed a lot of americans. as much as we want to know, the enemy wants to know more and it puts us at risk. and it is a big question, maybe it is the politics or the time of the election and if americans heard we took care of osama bin laden, it would be good enough.
>> and why did he came out and said he did it? i know it was a blog, but why did he say he did it. >> we don't do it for money. the men and women who sacrifice is amazing. in fact, this generation of men and women do more in a year than i did as a navy s.e.a.l. did for ten years. we do it for our country and we love the american people and realize that evil does exist and the only thing for evil to prevail is for good men to sit around and do nothing. i'm not sure. some of the things he said about the story don't add up. it doesn't sound like the things a navy s.e.a.l. would say. the only thing i can imagine is maybe you come back from war and you look healthy, but it doesn't necessarily mean you are healthy. and we all talk about post-traumatic stress disorder and perhaps that is causing him to think differently. but some of the things he is saying or doing does not sound like what a special operator in the army, navy, air force or
even the marines would say. >> and jobi, to that point, when the s.e.a.l.s that you've spoken to on s.e.a.l. team six and even those that corroborate he was the one that fired the kill shot, are they angry at him? >> they are not angry. and i think john raises an interesting point. because this is a brotherhood and these are people that have gone through traumatic experiences that we can't imagine. it is not just the psychological wounds that we carry after something like this. it is also physical wounds. these guys are really banged up and they come home, they are in this world where nobody knows what they did and they have struggles to find jobs to get the benefits they think they are entitled to. it is a tough environment for these guys and now there is media pressure, before he came out with the story a book came out and it is trying to reclaim your life and it is not easy for these people. >> thanks very much to both of you. and now less than a week
after virgin atlanta crashed over mojave desert, technicians want to get back to it and do it fast. there are so many unknowns, including what caused the crash and the mystery of how one of the two pilots managed to survive a zaft thaer unraveled at the speed of sound 50,000 feet in the air. our dan simon found out how he lived. >> reporter: it may not be clear yet what exactly brought down spaceship 2. when is clear is the surviving pilot miraculously defied the odds. the spacecraft came apart just seconds after separating from the mothership and traveling faster than the speed of sound about 50,000 feet and the temperature 70 degrees below zero. somehow the pilot managed to escape with just a shoulder
injury. dr. cheney is a expert. >> why didn't he pass out, and if he did, did he regain his facilities an be able to save himself with ejecting. >> questions that will like by be posted by the ntsb which is investigating the crash. 39-year-old co-pilot mcals berry did not make it. it is unclear how sea bolt escaped, it was described like something out of a movie script, saying he found himself flying through the air while still attached to the chair and when he sboted the chase plan, he managed to give the pilot inside a thumb's up. >> to be exposed for any duration of time, it is severe
because it is difficult. >> and eric thompson was in charge of red bull stratus. >> the feat of engineering that allowed sky diver felix baumgartner to jump from space. he knows the dangers as anyone and finds it surprising that they don't wear pressurized suits. >> at least for the flight test portions of the flights, because you run the risk of something like this happening. >> what do you think enabled him to survive? >> he came down to a lower altitude very quickly, is really what probably saved his life. >> and of course sea bolt was up higher than that and at a minimum experts would think most people would lose consciousness. doctors say he was at short risk of developing a brain hemorrhage, making his survival remarkable. in fact he's already been released from the hospital. >> it is remarkable. thank you so much.
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jean casarez has the details on how they were able to capture the man. >> he is a vicious predator, he is off the streets and hopefully he'll be in jail for the rest of his life. >> reporter: 37-year-old delvin barnes behind bars after the kidnapping of carlisha freeland gaither, who police believe had never met before. but barnes is already a wanted man where he used to live in virginia, for the kidnapping of another woman last month. prosecutors say in early october he abducting a 16-year-old local girl he also didn't know and tried to kill her. >> he allegedly hit her in the head with a shovel. i was attempting to dig a hole and he was distracted from her and she saw an avenue of escape and proceeds into the wounds. >> but not before he doused here with bleach and gasoline.
>> this young girl was missing for two days but finally showed up at this business two miles away from the home of her alleged abductor. she ran into the business parking lot and she was nude, very distraught, and her body was covered in burns. police arrived at the scene within 2 minutes and the smell of bleach on her body was very apparent. she was flown to a hospital burnutity where a sexual assault examination was done and perpetrator dna was found. they matched that dna to a national data base. the key suspect, a 37-year-old virginia resident named delvin barnes. police say he fled virginia last week but it is this virginia kidnapping that helped find carlisha alive. the sheriff's office studied surveillance of the kidnapping. they saw atm and convenience store photos, that is when captain jayson crowley maded an
important call. >> one of his officers noticed a decal on the car from a local car agency. >> they put gps on the vehicle to make sure that if the person defaults on payment, they can locate the vehicle and repossess the vehicle and that was very vital. >> reporter: that gps locator broke the case when authorities called atf and told them where the car was in maryland. but they didn't know if carlisha freeland gaither was dead or alive. but then the news. >> carlisha freeland has been rescued. >> i was ecstatic that she was found alive. >> reporter: and criminal charges have not been filed against delvin barnes, the abduction of carlisha gaither. at the same time he's waiving his extradition to come back here to virginia where he lived to face attempted capital murder charges. and it is this local case that
you just saw that may have broken and saved the live of carlisha. erin. >> that is incredible. when you think about that, that someone noticed the decal on that car. jean, thank you. joining me now is the philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey. thank you for being with us tonight. le met start by asking you, so many people have watched this video and seen carlisha's face and try to understand what could have happened. how is she doing right now? >> well she's doing about as well as you can expect. obviously she's traumatized by the entire event over the past few days, so it is going to take a little time for that to heal. but she is doing well. she's back with her family and very, very happy about that. >> and do you know any more at this time about what she went through in those days that she was held captive, what happened to her? >> well we're starting to kind of piece it together. but right now federal charges are going to be filed tomorrow
on this case, if they haven't been already. and we're told not to talk too much in detail about some of the things that talk place. but we are talking to the suspect who is in custody as well as her to try to piece together the entire timeline. >> and is she -- i mean emotionally and psychologically, this must be terrifying for her. is she physically okay? >> well, she did have some injuries. we sent the family -- we actually brought the family down to howard family hospital where they were reunited and she was released so we brought them all back up to philadelphia. so she had injuries, but nothing life-threatening fortunately. so she's at home recuperating and trying to get herself back together. >> and as people try to understand what happened here, i want to give a little bit of the context that we are now
learning. there was an arrest warrant for barnes in virginia. police say he sexual assaulted a 16-year-old girl and he striped her naked, poured bleach and gasoline on her, asked her how she wanted to die, she was hit over the head with a shovel and burned. she's still recovering. could there be more victims out there? is this what happened to carlisha. this is stunning it was happening to people he did not know. he just randomly picked these women. >> one thing we learned is he did not know her and she did not know him. so she was a random victim. we don't know if there are other victims. obviously we have to check that out. it is difficult without him cooperating and talking to us, but i'm sure that the authorities in virginia, maryland and certainly here in the philadelphia area will take a strong look at any outstanding missing person cases or what have you to see whether or not we have anything that fits his
m.o. >> have you had a chance to interrogate delvin barnes? >> i have not. i know the fbi agents have been speaking with him. so they have spoken with him. my understanding is he's been extradited to virginia. i'm not at liberty to talk about anything he may have said. but certainly that is part of the process taking place now. >> have you learned anything about him, what sort of a person he was, whether this was something people around him thought was possible or anything about what could have motivated someone to do this? >> well, i mean, he is not a very good person obviously. he has a very long rap sheet, several pages long. you just talked about the case in virginia. obviously the case here in philadelphia. an he has a very extensive record. he did some time here in philadelphia in '05 for an alleged rape and assault. the rape charge was dropped but
he did do time for at sa-- nor r at salt and he's known to police and i don't know if there is any other motive other than this is what he does, abducting women and assaults them. >> it is unbelievable how he was able to get out and do this again and again. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. and outfront next, the white house has upped the warren words. if they don't act immediately on immigration, the president will go it alone. and taylor swift 1989, biggest song for 2014, how she is completely rewriting the music business. i have the worst cold with this runny nose.
the breaking news, senior white house advisor dan pheifer telling us that if congress won't do anything about immigration by the end of the year, the president will do it himself. this is a huge deal. it comes two days after the democrats were handed a shilacking. >> reporter: john boehner minced no words warning the president not to use his executive power to change the broken immigration without congress. >> when you play with matches, you risk burning yourself and he will burn himself if he continues to go down this path. >> confrontational, quite different than before the election, and after what was an op ed between mitch mcconnell and boehner, hoping to repeal
obama care, knowing that won't happen while he is in office. >> you want to repeal his law which has no chance of getting a veto, how do you expect him to trust you? >> my job is to listen to the american people. the american people have made it clear they are not for obama care. ask all of the democrats who lost their elections on tuesday night. a lot of them voted for obama care. >> but he is not right of what americans think about obama care. 57% favor obama care or say it doesn't go far enough. but still republicans are infuriated by the president's plans executive order to allow illegal immigrants to stay illegally, while he waited to help democrats on the ballot and lost any way. >> i will do anything lawfully with my executive authority to make sure that we don't keep on making the system worse.
>> boehner wants immigration reform but always been up against deep pocket conservative groups and frank and file republicans. and plus the president's own defiance press conference fueled boehner's tone. >> if he acts unilaterally outside of his zone, he will poison the well and there will be no chance for immigration reform moving in this congress. it is as simple as that. >> now boehner added that he doesn't see his job as just get ago long with the president, though he said they do get along fine, this may be bravado from both sides of pennsylvania avenue. but when we are talking about poison wells and waving red flags in front of bulls, two days after the election, it is not a good sign when everyone said the message was washington needs to work. >> well obviously they don't care what america wants.
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and now let's check in with anderson for a look at what is coming up on a.c. 360. >> american journalist jason reseon has been held in iran for 100 days and his health is failing and they are pleading from his release. and we'll talk with anthony bourdain who spent time with the man while filming. and a look inside of this hangar, the hiding place of eric frein. more than 100 items found by police among the clutter, among it a lap toop, food, bible and other items. >> a bible. okay. taylor swift is telling the online music service spotify to shake it off.
♪ >> the pop star pulling every one of her song from the largest music streaming service. she is mad at the company's small royalty payments. against the world's number one music company. her new album called "1989" sold nearly 1.3 million copies in the first week, the biggest one week album tally in more than 12 years. joe concha is out front. i'm going to forgive you for saying i did the lame dance. >> very stiff. overbite, the whole thing, very impressive. >> okay. on average artists make -- people want to understand when she's complaining about the royalty payments, we're taking way less than a cent. .006 to a cent. we're talking very little money. does it matter to taylor swift, she can afford to stand up to the company. but will she single-handedly
change anything? >> she will not by doing this, but she can spur a lawsuit to do this. so you remember pearl jam in the '90s? they told ticketmaster, we don't want to charge $20 for any tickets for our fans. and ticketmaster said, we're not going to do that. the justice department investigated ticketmaster. katy perry is worth $130 million. russell wilson, over $4 million. that's enough yachts to water ski behind. she can afford to do this and take a stand, but only a legal process will do it. >> so taylor swift, people who know her, people know her songs, because they're kids, whatever, but people are fascinated by her. that was the whole dating a kennedy thing, and they love her, or they hate her, they say they hate her, but kind of seem to actually love her. here is an "snl" skit that we thought caught the whole thing. >> this beat is banging. who is this? >> taylor swift.
>> what? >> taylor swift. >> i freaking love taylor swift. >> you realize you love taylor swift. >> she got me! >> i mean, does the fact she's polarizing actually help her make a lot more money? >> well, in 2014, it is abnormal to be normal. and that's what makes her polarizing. that's the amazing thing about her. yes, of course, it help her make more money. she's a martyr from the kanye west going up on the mtv music awards and saying beyonce should win this. and ever since then she's the nice girl that got picked on by the mean boy. she's incredibly talented. but she's like the peyton manning of the music industry. in other words, you never hear about, oh, boy, there she is with the dwi arrest, there she is on instagram with a bong on her hand, she didn't get -- >> socks that go up to her midthigh and skirt looking like
she's 12. >> because she's so good. people like to pick on people who are so good. the only criticism is she was in a lot of relationships that didn't work out. she's 24 years old. remember, five years ago, eight years ago, when we were her age and single and -- >> yeah, five years ago when i was her age. >> you broke with everybody, everybody broke up with you, that's the process you go to. young girls can relate to her, and adult adults, they can't reo her, but they respect her. she's peyton manning. we love her on the field. we love her off the field as well. >> joe, thank you. next, talk about a big gulp, a man eaten alive by a giant snake. guess when, it is on tape. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality
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guess what, now the critters are turning the dinner tables. here's jeanne. >> not since the movie anaconda have we had to imagine what it is like to be swallowed alive by the massive snake. >> anaconda. >> but will this guy actually get an inside view? >> i'm about to be first person that will be eaten alive by an anaconda? >> promos for the discovery channel special -- >> eaten alive. >> -- show wildlife expert paul rosalie wearing a surprisingly snake proof suit with a helmet and oxygen supply. he said he smeared pig blood on himself to smell appetizing and the tether implies if he was swallowed, he would be pulled back out. but tell this to a snake expert. >> just the plausibility of this actually taking place. >> you can't even keep a straight face. >> i really can't. i really can't. >> terry philips says an anaconda simply wouldn't identify a man as a food item. >> i don't know about this
story. sounds like a stretch to me. and if you've watched your natgeo, you know -- >> they literally squeeze prey to death. >> -- they only consume a food item after it's dead. the special has already been shot and its hero is still very much alive. >> i will absolutely stake my reputation that this guy is not going to be swallowed by an anaconda. >> though hypothetically, he says you could pull something back out if it were tethered. the experts say anacondas can die from stress and animal activists started a petition to boycott the discovery channel. peta called the swallow alive guy a fool. he tweeted, if you know me, i would never hurt a living thing, so it seems the snake survived too. the story had al roker slithering. ♪ my anaconda don't my anaconda don't ♪ >> wrong anaconda, al. when it comes to -- >> eaten alive.
>> -- it's being eaten alive by critics. the first thing this morning when you saw this, what did you do? jeanne moos, cnn -- ♪ my anaconda don't >> -- new york. >> unless you got buns, hon, al. that was a lot to digest. "ac 360" starts right now. >> good evening, thank you for joining us. tonight, an american's plea to iran to free his brother. washington post journalist jason rizion and his wife were arrested just weeks after filming with cnn's anthony bourdain. over the summer. his wife is free, but mr. rizion is not. his family says his health is failing. tonight, you'll hear their plea first television interview and talk to anthony bourdain who joins me coming up. ray rice's testimony in the hearing that will decide if he gets his job back. troubling questions about the man the nfl has tasked with investigating the domestic abuse case a