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blitzer. tweet the show@cnn sitroom. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" tonight, breaking news. the investigation into the amtrak crash now zeroing in on the engineer. sources tell cnn they are not ruling out something intentional. a live report coming up. plus isis seizes the key city of ramadi. not far from baghdad, 400 prisoners released from jails, hundreds killed. fleeing the city. will there be a massacre? in texas, warnings of more biker gang violence. nine murdered in a shoot-out. what started this? and could it happen again? let's go "outfront." and good evening to all. i'm erin burnett.
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we begin "outfront" tonight with the breaking news on the deadly amtrak crash. investigators now telling cnn that they are zeroing in on the engineers handling of the train. sources say they are looking into a range of possibilities. and tonight they say they are not ruling out something intentional. the fbi is also trying to figure out what may have caused that speeding train to derail. eight died, more than 200 injured. tonight they are ruling out one thing. they are ruling out the possibility that a bullet was what damaged the train's windshield. investigators are still looking to determine, though, if the train was hit by another object and what role that could have played in the crash if so. a review of the train's black box has been completed. the ntsb has found no indication let me repeat no indication of mechanical failure at all. that's perhaps why they're zeroing in on the engineer. rene marsh is "outfront" where amtrak service resumed today. rene, the investigation is focusing on the engineer's handling specifically. they're not ruling out a wide
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rarity of things including something intentional. what more have you learned? >> well erin, i can tell you, we've been here all day talking to law enforcement and government sources. and there is a sharp focus on this engineer how he handled the train, and also his experience. we know from the ntsb that the engineer has been on this particular route for several weeks that is not a lot of time. so they're looking at that. we also know that just because investigators are looking at him and his handling it doesn't necessarily indicate there is a criminal act here. in fact we do know that police investigators here in philadelphia as well as the district attorney's office here in philadelphia they're in a bit of a holding pattern as far as criminal charges simply because they want to wait and see exactly what the ntsb concludes and what it finds in its conclusion. we do know as far as the ntsb
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investigation, erin that they have completed the analysis of the black boxes. so far no indication of mechanical failure. but an ntsb source does stress that it is still very, very early in the investigation. too early to rule anything out at this point. they say that they will not have an exact cause until the conclusion of this investigation, which could take 12 whole months. erin? >> and rene the train, what we do know, right, 106 miles an hour at the time of the crash, more than twice the speed limit. this is the thing that nobody has been able to explain, right, why the train would suddenly and in the space of about 45 secondsing a little bit less accelerate like that. at this time what are they saying about whether that acceleration was intentional? >> well, they have something that is very valuable which is the train's recorders. and based on the data from the train's recorders, the ntsb is saying that this engineer
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manually moved the throttle forward to increase the speed of the train there is no question about that. the question is though why did he do that and what happened after. why wasn't this train slowed down as it approached that 50 miles per hour curve. that remains on the answered erin. >> thank you very much rene marsh. we should emphasize when they talk about so many things still being on the table, including something intentional, the engineer did at the very last moment hit the engineer brakes. he did try to slow down. right now transportation attorney and who investigated rail accidents for 18 years. jim, you heard rene. you and i have spoken before about this crash. and you had said look i don't buy into the projectile. they are now firmly saying it was not a bullet. that was certainly not something that is to blame here. they're now focusing in on the engineer brandon bastion.
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do you think that's the right thing to do? >> they're going to be homing in on his conversations, everything he has done since he has been to work on the railroad. they're going to be looking at that day before, what he did. the event recorder will tell them a lot about how he treated the train as far as the speed restrictions and operating requirements. everything points to me that they need to look at his conversations and his training. they will go back and talk to his instructors, see who qualified him to operate on the territory, and see if there is anything. because he is not able to communicate what he did prior to that they're going to have to rely on the physical evidence, the event recorder and that type of information. so right now they have to treat him as if he didn't survive the crash. >> which obviously saying he doesn't remember anything. >> right. >> he had been an engineer for four years on amtrak. >> right. >> i know he was relatively new
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to this route. i guess the question for you, andrew, do you think there is something to be said for that's not enough experience? >> i don't know that it is enough experience. he is traveling on this particular -- this particular track is the busiest corridor in the united states. and i'm not sure how familiar he was with this specific set of tracks at night. he clearly should have known there was a curve coming up if he had had enough experience to know that. i've heard rumors that the train was late in departing, at least half an hour late. perhaps he thought he should accelerate to make up some time and took it too far. we've seen only last month a pilot at germanwings actually intentionally crash an airplane. i'm not suggesting that this engineer did that. but those are things that have to be looked at because his conduct right now is inexplicable. >> and jim, they're not taking something intentional off the table there is a lot of things still on the table. i want to emphasize that. but they're not taking intentional off. one thing we all do know now
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about brandon bostonian, he was online ranting about the rail industry and the safety in the rail industry saying why don't they prevent this type of tragedy. he even talked about human error. i wish the railroads had been proactive from the get-go. the reality is they've had nearly 100 years of opportunity to implicate some sort of system to prevent human error but with a few notable exceptions have failed to do so. it doesn't mean anything but it does stand out that this was a guy who was obsessed with safety, who was posting about it all the time. that something that makes you feel better or is that something that raise as yellow flag? >> it makes me feel that he is overconfident. and being overconfident, you kind of are not too careful when you should be. so the fact is that they have asked amtrak to put up speed limit signs means i'm not sure whether the speed limits on the curve or not, but it could have just been an oversight on his
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part that got him into the predicament he is in. >> he has proven his point. the quote you just read, he has demonstrate how'd relevant that technology really is. so his point has been proven. whether he intended to prove it himself or not, i couldn't tell you. but it may be that he is just the opposite. i'm not disagreeing with jim. but there is another angle, and that he is less confident. he is insecure with his skill set and his training. because he is relatively new -- >> you pump your chest and promote yourself. >> he is the type of person that wishes he had positive train control to back him up. if you're not confident in your skill set you might want the technology to help back you up if you make a mistake. >> so do you think, andrew there will be criminal charges? obviously we don't yet know enough and intentional or nonintentional would impact that. >> it's quite possible. eight people were killed. there are scores that were seriously injured. the captain of the ferry, the staten island ferry that crashed
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into the dock in 2003 was prosecuted and he plead guilty to manslaughter. the director of the new york city ferry system was also prosecuted. he wasn't even on the boat at the time. and that's because they failed to follow protocol and have two men -- two crewmembers on the bridge. so there is precedent for this. the recent accident was very similar to this derailment. and the office has recently this past week indicated they are not going bring charges against mr. rockefeller, that engineer. >> all right, thank you both very much for joining us on that breaking news as they're honing in on the engineer specifically now on the amtrak crash. a major development. "outfront" next a significant victory for isis, the capture of ramadi just it's baghdad. now the fear is isis will launch a bloodbath, murdering innocent civilians. that and we will reenact that raid for you exactly what happened. plus police in texas on high alert tonight. fear of more violence from biker gangs after a massacre left nine dead. tonight the leader of one of the biker clubs tells his side of the story "outfront."
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so everyone gets exactly what they want! mitsubishi electric cooling and heating. make comfort personal. tonight isis claiming victory capturing a key iraqi city giving the terrorists a strategic foothold that is less than 70 miles west of baghdad. newly released isis video supposedly shows militants advancing. it's video of them firing rockets, engaging in combat, as
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you can see. obviously, the direct shots of all the rockets going off. here is what we do know. more than 500 civilians were killed there by isis in the past two days. and security forces. 25,000 people have fled. most of them going to baghdad, which is now becoming encircled actually by isis. despite that the united states though insists the terrorist victory is only temporary, not anything to worry about. and payton walsh is "outfront." >> the isis flag now over the city of ramadi just 80 miles from baghdad, flaunting pictures of dozens of prisoners they have released and of the abandoned iraqi army arsenal that is now theirs. the city threatened for months. the surrender by iraqi forces was certainly a significant blow. as to what the u.s. and allies did not want to see happen. ramadi, the capital of anbar province a strategic foothold that makes up a third of iraq. to the east of isis in ramadi
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iraqi police and tribes are massing to fight back. but isis controls two other towns close to the capital, fallujah and karma. they would have a straight shot into baghdad from their strongholds in syria. u.s. officials were quick to frame the loss as part of the long fight against isis. >> the campaign against dash is a long one. it's going to take a long time. we've already said that. >> reporter: but monday, an admission this is a loss. >> there is no denying that this is a setback. but there is also no denying that the united states help the iraqis take back ramadi. >> reporter: a stark change in anner row of success the u.s. tried to build involving a weekend raid. abu sayyef said to be a money
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man, killed guarding a trove of vital documents. a worthy risk u.s. officials insist even though few isis experts have heard much about him. this was supposed to be the months in which the u.s. worked with the iraqis to retake mosul from isis not wonder how they might launch campaign to save ramadi. and tonight the issue is we know 25,000 people have fled according to the u.n. ramadi in the past few days of fighting. but how much of that city that used to have a million in it probably has 300,000 roughly, how many are still inside the deserted streets facing either a brutal life under isis, or more terrifyingly potentially execution if isis view them as baghdad loyalists? >> thank you very much. i want to go to barbara starr at the pentagon. barbara, this raid that the united states is championing this was a very big raid. they were able to get a very big player from isis. others are skeptical from that.
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what have you learned about exactly how the raid happened? >> erin we now know the u.s. had been keeping its eye on this man, abu sayyef not his real name of course since march when those dilt delta force commandos took off in their helicopters to make their way to that building that compound where they were hoping to find him. they had fresh intelligence knowing that he was there. he had been under surveillance. they had been monitoring his pattern of life so to speak. they had a very good sense he was there. when they got there, they got into a firefight. they had to blow a hole in the side of the building to get inside. when they came across sayyef, he by military accounts resisted and he was killed. but this is sort of a classic u.s. military commando operation. they went in very quickly, very hot, very heavy. they were able to capture his wife and she is undergoing interrogation in iraq. erin? >> barbara so what was the
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united states able to get in the raid? i mean anything actionable in terms of intelligence? are they releasing any of that at this point? >> that's the question. why risk so many american military lives to go after this guy. what we're being told is it was not just that he was the money man in charge of isis oil and gas operations but he had taken on an increasing role in the organization. he may have had contact with the leader abu bakr al baghdadi. they wanted to get his laptop, his cell phone, talk to him, talk to his wife about everything they knew. they felt this was an intelligent treasure trove if you will and in fact erin we should say that after the raid white house officials called some of the families of american hostages that had been held in syria by isis. they wanted to let them know that they were looking for any information in this treasure trove about the fate of those hostages.
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>> all right, barbara, thank you. i want to bring in the former cia operative bob baer. so here is the thing. they're now saying this guy was huge guy, this guy ran the oil and gas, this guy was a major player for isis. but some people are saying he really wasn't. and maybe he might not have been the main target, that now they're playing him up because they got him. but he wasn't really the main goal here. they risked about two dozen delta force, 24 of america's top fighters to go in on this particular raid. what do you think? was he really the prize? >> erin i don't think he was. this is the first raid into syria other than the hostage rescue attempt. it was a big deal. it was risky. they had to bring a lot of force in. they would have preferred to get more people or somebody of higher value i think once they determined who he was, they made the best of it said he was important. but that's not to detract from the fact that getting hard drives cell phones and the rest of it you learn all sorts of things.
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this is the beginning of a organized intelligence collection operation against the islamic state. and you have to do many, many of these raids before you can really go to war with them and ultimately decapitate them as we did al qaeda in pakistan. >> is it worth the way they're doing it now? i mean now it's raid by raid. because the u.s. doesn't want to put boots on the ground. so there are boots on the ground but they're special forces boots. they're your most highly trained fighters the united states has. it worth risking their lives in groups of 20 and 24 to go into these places and okay you get something, but you get the wrong guy? >> erin these guys are really good. i've seen them in action. they can get in a place and out with no cash. >> the mostly, especially after the wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> yes. >> and there are a quite a few of them in erbil. but i think the point is erin,
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this is not going to be enough. this is a drop in the bucket. the islamic state, isis is a true menace to the stability in the middle east. and with this offensive they're carrying out in syria against homs against palmyra and now ramadi and fallujah we have to find a way to stop them. i'm not advocating putting boots on the ground. but we've got change the game here because we're losing right now. >> john kerry says don't worry about it we're going get it back. don't worry about ramadi. but when you look at a map, you're looking at the capital of iraq almost encircled by isis. who is telling the real story? the story about isis growing stronger and an isis takeover of iraq or john kerry in the u.s. who says don't worry? >> the state department doesn't have a clue what to to be it and neither does the military it's such a bad problem. you look at ramadi it covers major roads, roads north up the euphrates and roads to jordan.
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it's very important. the only way they're going to be age to take ramadi back is by flattening it. if the militias go there and flatten that town you will see a sectarian conflict in iraq like we've never seen before. >> bob baer thank you very much. not mincing words there with his view on the state department. and tonight on cnn we take you inside isis whom. are they? what do they want? blind side. a special by fareed zakaria is tonight at 9:00 eastern. and "outfront" next texas police on alert amid rumors of even more gang violence tonight. this as nine are killed when rival biker gangs face off in waco. will it happen again? and a special report inside again. and remember this incident in new york when biker culture turns truly ugly.
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breaking news on the wild biker brawl that left nine members dead in waco texas. officials just issuing a warning
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to all police. they say more armed gang members may be heading to waco now, and that they should consider these groups quote, armed and dangerous. a law enforcement source also telling cnn tonight that at least four bikers may have been killed by police during sunday's shoot-out at a crowded restaurant. kyung lah begins our coverage tonight "outfront" in waco. >> reporter: cell phone video captures the carnage. bodies lying outside twin peaks restaurant in waco. a dispute in the bathroom led to nine people dead, 18 injured in what police call a bloody brawl between rival biker gangs and then a gun battle with officers. >> we have wounded inside. we had people stabbed. we had people shot and we had people beat. >> reporter: pictures show one of the biker groups, the cossacks being arrested. the others part of the bandido motorcycle club. you guys call you clubs. they call you gangs.
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>> we are not a gang. we do not do gang things. we are not affiliated with gangs. >> reporter: jimmy graves is high up the texas bandido gang. but he is also the texas state chairman for confederation of clubs, a multigroup biker association. braves who was supposed to lead the event said this was a friendly organizational meeting. he blames a few bad apples. >> they want to be outlaws. >> reporter: the cossacks want to be the outlaws? >> yeah. >> reporter: so the bandidos are trying to go straight? >> we've been straight. we're not trying. we have been straight. we didn't do nothing here. we're fighting for our rights. they're saying lies on tv and saying that the bandidos are after police officers. >> reporter: so none of your guys pulled out weapon against the police? >> never. >> reporter: about 170 arrested from the brawl. graves fears he'll also be arrested and wanted to talk to us at an undisclosed location outside of waco. a bandido for 24 years, graves says the club has changed. like his now faded swastika
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tattoo crimes are a relic of the past. but the department of safety still lists the bandidos as a tear 2 game, the second most dangerous classification and the department of justice identifies them as one of the top two largest outlaw motorcycle gangs in the u.s. dealing illegal drugs like method and cocaine, internationally operating in 13 other countries. all that is not true? >> no. they've been reading too many comic books, watching tv watching too many b-rated biker movies. we have been stereotyped. they're not thugs. mainly when we find a thug in our bunch, we get rid of him. >> i absolutely disagree with that. this is a criminal element ca thame caiman in here yesterday and killed people. they're not here to drink beer and eat barbecue. they came here with violence in mind. >> reporter: police said that they arrested 170 people. how many people is that? what kind of a logistical challenge is it? so many people if i had to take them to the convention center to
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process all of them we are hearing. as far as how many weapons were seized, more than 100. that erin how heavily arm they'd all were. erin? >> incredible. kyung lah, thank you very much. live in waco tonight. investigators are continuing to gather evidence. this is officials loading the gang members' bikes on to flatbed trucks because of course there are hundreds of them. they say they have confiscated about 100 motorcycles now as evidence. a number of cars have also been seized because of course they have all these people. nearly 200 people that they're keeping in jail right now to try to figure out who shot whom. "outfront" now, mclendon county sheriff parnell mcnamara. and steve cook director of the midwest outlaw motorcycle gang investigators association. he spent time with the bandidos which of course is one of the gangs involved in this horrific massacre in waco. sheriff, let me start with you, the breaking news tonight that we're reporting now that law enforcement where you are and in waco is saying that these gangs
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have put out an alert to their members saying to arm themselves with weapons and travel to north texas. how concern ready you about that? >> we're very concerned about any kind of threat that may be coming our way. we're taking extra precautions. we've thrown a higher state of alert. we brought on extra deputies to patrol. we've had our helicopter in the air all afternoon. and we certainly hope it doesn't happen here but if it does we're going to be ready for it. and we're going to meet it head-on. and we're going to take care of it. >> and sheriff, let me ask you on that front, the important development that we have a law enforcement source telling cnn that at least four bikers may have been killed at the hands of police during the shoot-out, four of the nine. do you know if that's true?
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>> given this alert that has gone out to the gang members with weapons, you do have a law enforcement source saying some bikers may have been killed by police. i understand the sheriff can't comment on that. but that report is out there. are you concerned for police? >> you know i'm always concerned for the officers. and with that being said the sheriff and his deputies and the chief and his officers at waco have done a phenomenal job. and i think they ought to be recognized for the job they have done with this. this is a major undertaking, and they should be very proud of their efforts in this. based upon the type of situation. you know as far as these organizations are concerned, there are individual members that could potentially try to turn arms against law enforcement.
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i do believe that they know that the kind of heat that that's going to cause, in addition to what they're already enduring. >> right. >> is probably a death blow for them. i don't think the attitude of all of them is going to be that. because regardless of what they say that. >> know the police were doing their job. they may not like the job that the police had to do but they know the police you know did what they were supposed to do. >> so steve, how dangerous? you have been undercover. how dangerous are these guys? the people running the bandidos they now have this alert out. come with your weapons. travel to north texas. that's the alert they have put out. we know the police have confiscated 100 guns already. 100 guns. i understand this is texas and you have more lenient gun rules, but that's a lot of guns. brass knuckles chains knives bats clubs, guns. some of these bikers are convicted felons. how dangerous are they? >> they're extremely dangerous. they're a volatile organization. they're fuelled by meth.
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i had to laugh a little listening to your senior member talking about his organization. >> right. >> that's not the bandidos i know. in fact, the bandidos i know are the ones that participated in this horrific act, the same ones that killed a whole charter of their own members up in ontario. >> so sheriff, you have nearly 200 people in jail and you just heard our reporter who interviewed that senior member of the bandidos talking about how you had to bring them all to the convention center to try to even process them. are you going to be able to figure out who to charge in time or are you concerned that people you know, who are guilty of murder are going to be let go? >> that investigation is being handled now by the waco police department. and they have done a very fine job on the initial shoot-out here. they acted very swiftly and very professionally, and they saved lives at this time. the investigation is ongoing,
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and i am very confident that the waco police, the dps texas rangers, and all the other agencies will be able to come up with the active shooters. and until then we've got -- we did charge 170 people today with engaging in organized criminal activity. there could be more charges coming. and each one of them has a million dollar bond. >> a million dollar bond. all right. i appreciate your time, sheriff. also your time as well, steve cook. we appreciate both of you. thank you. and next, the bandidos. you keep hearing this name. and you just saw one of the senior leaders interviewed. why are they one of the most feared motorcycle gangs in the country? and first it was jeb bush. now it's marco rubio stumbling over the same question. >> was it a mistake to go to war with iraq? i'm asking you. >> i understand. but it's not the same question.
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. all right. breaking news. texas officials warning law
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enforcement that members of two biker gangs have been quote, instructed to arm themselves with weapons and travel to north texas. that's latest we have here. this is the warning that has just gone out after the attack. of course in texas in which nine were killed. the groups this alert says are considered armed and dangerous. now this comes as police are already on high alert after biker gangs threatened to target police. investigators have seized more than 100 guns from the biker gang shoot-out in which nine were killed. we're learning more about the five motorcycle gangs that may have been involved. they're some of the most dangerous and notorious in the nation. miguel marquez is "outfront." >> reporter: at least five motorcycle gangs gathered at waco's twin peaks restaurant when the midday fight broke out. at its root, a rivalry over turf and recruits. their names meant to intimidate. the outlaws, sim tars cossacks bandidos. the justice department calls them omgs, or organized motorcycle gangs.
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if you see them coming that other omg just might fit the bill. this 2002 brawl among rival gangs left three dead. the fight captured on casino surveillance cameras. maybe most shocking it was this the middle of harrah's casino in laughlin nevada after members of rival gangs hells angels and mongols tried to use the same entrance. even noncriminal motorcycle gangs have engaged in aggressive behavior. 2013 new york city when motorcyclist christopher cruz applied his brakes in front of alex lien's vehicle he bumped the motorcycle. when he stopped to help other motorcyclists began beating him with their helmets. terrified, he fled hitting two other motorcyclists until he was finally stopped. pulled from his suv and beaten while his wife and 2-year-old daughter watched on. nationwide there were about 500
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large gangs with multiple chapters and some 2500 smaller organized motorcycle gangs. the fbi estimates in all some 44,000 people belong to omgs. the motorcycle gang threat is rated at similar levels to prison street and neighborhood gangs. many large motorcycle gangs make their living producing and/or distributing drugs like meth cocaine, ecstasy and heroin and marijuana. in more recent years, some have formed alliances with mexican drug cartels. motorcycle gangs a notorious part of american culture. around about as long as the motorcycle itself. the fx hit series "sons of anarchy" about the friction within a motorcycle gang in the fictional town of charming california. it is nowhere near the first portrayal. america's interest in motorcycle gang culture immortalized in the
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1953 film "the wild one." it was based on a real life biker brawl in hollister, california in 1947. the next chapter in motorcycle gang violence now being written. >> and as you say, part of american culture. but still new and shocking to a lot of people when they hear this latest alert going out tonight where they're saying law enforcement in texas that the gangs are saying arm yourself with weapons, come to north texas, target police. is this a growing threat? >> we may see more of this in the days ahead. law enforcement officials saying it is growing from alaska to connecticut. several gangs now getting a much larger in those areas. the wheels of soul, the outlaws, the pagan, all growing, which they say will lead to the possibility of more turf wars in future days ahead. >> what is driving the growth? do we have any idea? >> they operate in the same areas as other gangs. it's the desire for money for
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turf for everything in those areas that traditional gangs, whether they're neighborhood-based or prison-based or street-based gangs, they are all fighting for as well. >> miguel, thank you very much. and as miguel and i are talking, in waco we are anticipating any moment a press conference from waco police. looks like -- he is just doing a microphone check. as soon as we get that we're going to bring that to you. as we said they're going to be responding to that warning coming out where they say the gangs are arming themselves with weapons and are going to be convening, coming to north texas as soon as we get that we're going bring that to you. also the marco rubio fumble today. a question about the u.s. war in iraq. he fumbled it. in can one question derail a candidate's campaign? it's a question for jeb bush tonight. an extreme sport legend along with a friend both killed attempting a wing suit flight from a cliff in yosemite.
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i take these out... ...to put in dr. scholl's active series insoles. they help reduce wear and tear on my legs, becuase they have triple zone protection. ... and reduce shock by 40%. so i feel like i'm ready to take on anything. all right. i want to take you straight to that press conference with the sergeant and the police. let's listen in. >> i told you earlier today it was long drawn-out process. there was a lot of evidence to collect, a lot of things to move. and it was going to take a while. we didn't really have a time frame. we thought we could try to do it in one day that didn't work out for us. we're not going rush, and we're going to finish up tomorrow. there is really not a whole lot
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of new information that i can present to you other than we have progressed to the point where we're now moving motorcycles out. those vehicles that you see towed are being escorted under police escort to our impound lot where they will be secured. the individuals that were killed in sunday's event, the names are not being released at this point. and the reason we are not doing that is we have not totally notified family members. and until we do that we're not going to release those deceased individuals' names. that may come some time as soon as tomorrow. it may be the day after. as soon as we know all the family is notified, we will release those names. i had a question earlier about where the bodies were sent. they were all sent to swift's in dallas to perform autopsies. there is an organization that has released information indicating that they know how many officers -- i'm sorry, how
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many individuals were shot at the hands of officers. i will tell you that information is not confirmed from us. the autopsies have not been completed, and that information may very likely be incorrect, and it is not coming from me or waco police department. that has not been verify by us. it has not been fair ifyverified by autopsies or medical results either. when it becomes available it will be much later down the road i would guess, that information we'll get out to y'all as quick as we can. tomorrow's agenda will look like this. we will start very early in the morning about 8:00 with a full crew of detectives here to try and finish processing this scene as quickly as we can. we think we will be able to get it finished some time tomorrow. we again, would like to thank the business members here at central texas marketplace for helping us providing this area and staying shut down for the safety of everybody involved. i can tell you that we have met
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with the management the national management of twin peaks. they have been extremely cooperative with our officers today. it is my understanding they put out a press release as well indicating that they have pulled the franchise license from the individual that had this local twin peaks. we are pleased that they are working with us. they are -- they are absolutely concerned about the safety of their establishments and they wanted us to know that they appreciate what police have done to protect our community and are looking into what they can do to help improve relationships as well. and we appreciate their effort and applaud that effort as well as that is a large national corporation, and they are stepping up to the plate in assisting us with that as well. again, numerous law enforcement agencies have been here today. we'll continue throughout tomorrow and hopefully we'll get
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this wrapped up tomorrow some time. as information becomes available throughout the as information becomes available throughout the morning i'll pass that along. we'll talk about moving motorcycles and collecting evidence throughout the day. time for a few questions. >> we're going to listen to questions for you. courtney said, they haven't notified the families of the nine who were killed in the massacre yesterday, that's why they're not putting their names out to the press, and also saying he will not confirm how many gang members were shot and killed by police. four of the nine gang members were killed by police. he would not confirm that and said any reports about the numbers could turn out to change. we'll continue to follow that for you. but again, gang members have been told to arm themselves with weapons and travel to north texas tonight. next jeb bush now another presidential hopeful is stumbling over the same question it's a question that's
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jeb bush and his wife at a fund-raiser tonight in florida, the presumed presidential candidate trying to get past a rocky week. stumbling repeatedly over
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whether the united states should invade iraq. now, another presidential hopeful is struggling too. dana bash is out front. >> republicans eyeing the white house are trying to pull the iraq debate back to their comfort zone. attacking the democratic president who ended the war, not his gop predecessor who started it. >> this president, barack obama made a political decision that he was going to live up to a political promise he made during the campaign. he was hell bent on pulling out of iraq and we are paying a huge price for it. >> when it comes to blaming people about iraq the person i blame is barack obama, not george w. bush. >> there's no escaping the central question that tied jeb bush to the question last week. knowing what you know now, would you have invaded iraq zm. >> it was not a mistake for the president to decide to go into iraq. at the time he was told.
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>> i'm not asking you that. >> the world is a better place -- >> i'm asking you, sitting here in 2015 -- >> the president can't -- >> was it a mistake? >> it was not a mistake for the president to go into iraq based on the information he was provided as president. last week rubio was the one with a clearance to iraq in hindsight question. >> not only would i not have been in favor of it president bush would not have been in favor of it. >> what tripped him up this weekend -- >> was it a mistake to go to war in iraq. >> zam doesn't run iraq. >> the questions still keep coming on the campaign trail, not just from reporters, but voters too, like here in iowa this weekend. >> how does it feel having a brother who is responsible for
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over 100,000 innocent civilian deaths? >> so what was the question? >> how does it feel? look i'm proud of my brother, and he did what he thought was right. >> while all of that is going on with the republican field, hillary clinton hasn't been asked a question from a reporter in nearly a month, which republicans ironically can't stand the press as much if not more -- clinton pushes back she's been accessible to voters in iowa and new hampshire. those questions are from screened participants. it's not the kind of free flowing give and take you saw with jeb bush right there. >> that's an important point, she hasn't been taking those questions at all. >> joining me now, chief strategist for the republican national committee, i apologize because that presser, we're taking this right up to the wire on our show the bottom line question two major hopefuls
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stumbling on the iraq question. i'll give you, the whole would you have done then what you know now? rhetorically it's silly, but it's still something they should be able to answer. you can make one mistake, but four mistakes for jeb bush? how is that acceptable? >> i think it's kind of minimizing it to some degree. he was asked a question the first time he misunderstood it i think i agree with senator rubio, he was asked two separate questions. at the end of the day, this is a stark contrast with what's going on on the other side. sitting down and having a dialogue with them and having a discussion so people can monday morning quarterback their answers, saying they weren't prepared or as tight as it should have been. it's in sharp contrast to the lack of availability hillary clinton has had with the press core. there's a big difference. i get it yes. if you want to have live events it can be tough sometimes. but our guys are much more out
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there and engaged with voters than she is. let me ask you, sean last week i talked to matthew dowd one of the chief strategists for george w. bush's election campaign. he says this could be jeb bush's ted kennedy moment. howard dean we all remember the scream right? rick perry couldn't remember what one of the departments of the government is that he would get rid of. he stumbled over the question that was it for rick perry. these things can seem small, but it can ruin you. >> i think you're right in the sense that it could, it hasn't. i think our candidates are engaging and making mistakes both of them are going to recover in the campaign cycle, we have a long way to go. sean thank you very much incredibly succinct.
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we appreciate sean's time thanks very much to all of you for joining us as our breaking news coverage of the waco story continues. anderson cooper 360 begins right now. good evening from texas tonight, i'm in el paso on assignment the story is further east. officials are warning another could be possible. the bulletin from texas authorities obtained just moments ago, warning that additional members of two biker gangs could be making their way into the state, they are considered armed, dangerous and after what happened yesterday, there's no reason to doubt that. already in waco law enforcement is busy because of those two gangs, upwards of 70 people have been arrested. nine if a tailties in

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