tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN June 1, 2015 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
cnn. it airs tonight, 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. remember you can always follow us on twitter. please tweet me @wolfblitzer. you can always tweet is the show. "outfront" starts next. we have details of a new investigation that will shock you. and according to my guests the problem is much worse than what we're even being told. plus, a pastor shot to death by police. the dash cam video breaking tonight "outfront." was the use of force justified? and goodbye bruce jenner. call her caitlin. let's go "outfront." good evening. ymer are inburnett. "outfront" tonight bombs on
planes. massive failure. we are learning new details tonight about just how often tsa screeners allowed guns and explosives through security checkpoints, the last line of defense before the weapons could be on a plane. cnn has learned the department of homeland security undercover investigators posed as passengers. in 67 of 70 tries, 67 of 70 tries, yes, you can do the math. that's nearly 100% of the time. tsa screeners didn't detect the fake weapons. and maybe the most incredible part of the report is this. in one test an undercover investigator reportedly was stopped after setting off an alarm. you would think good news right? then they gave this person a pat-down. and they failed to detect a fake bomb that was taped to the investigator's back. you can't make this up. but in a statement, the department of homeland security is defending the tsa tonight. the number on these reports never look good out of context, but they're a critical development in the evolution of our aviation security.
the bottom line is this. after years of getting liquids confiscated, taking off your shoes, pulling out your laptop bombs still got through security no problem. raising fears of terror attacks in the sky. rene marsh is "outfront." >> reporter: tsa officers failed 95% of the time during undercover operations designed to test their ability to detect explosives and weapons at airport security checkpoints. >> these are anomalies that tsa screeners and/or their equipment should locate and at least flag for an additional screening. >> reporter: teams with the department of homeland security inspector general's office posed as passengers and attempted to pass through airport checkpoints with mock explosives and weapons. a government official with knowledge of the results say tsa failed 67 out of 70 tests. >> to miss 67 out of 70
different instances is extremely alarming. and i would say even dangerous. >> i am putting a detonator into the plastic explosive. >> reporter: cnn was there in 2008 for a similar covert operation. that time it was tsa testing its own officers. >> okay check. >> reporter: at the checkpoint the tester is wanted and patted down where the fake explosive device is concealed. but the screener missed it. it's not until the tester lifts his shirt up. >> oh i see it now. >> reporter: the department of homeland security says it, quote, immediately directed tsa to implement a series of action several of which are now in place. >> is it the technology that's failing or is it the screeners themselveses not following proper protocol? if tsa's screening equipment is failing in not doing the job, that's a larger systemic issue that tsa needs to address.
>> well erin tonight dhs will not say what action were taken, only saying that several actions were implement, and many of them are now in place. they also point out that what happens at the security checkpoint is just one part of their layered approach to security. also you know many of these tests are intentionally made difficult so that they can find the vulnerabilities. however, one former tsa official says that a 95% failure rate is just way too high. as you know tsa has received millions and millions of dollars from congress. and today just a short time ago, representative jason spent me this statement. after spending $540 million on baggage screening equipment and million morse on training the failure rate today is higher than it was in 2007 erin. >> that's pretty atrocious no
matter how you look at it. renee, thank you. "outfront" tonight, republican congressman john mica. he sits on the oversight and transportation committees. and he co-authored the 2001 legislation that created the tsa. congressman, i really appreciate your time. when you hear that number bombs and weapons getting through 95% of the time at american airports airports in the united states, what concerns you the most? >> well, that does concern me. but that's the dhs and tsa testing themselves. unfortunately, the results when i have independent testing by others who are not part of that the results are even worse. >> you co-authored the bill that created the tsa back in 2001 you. also to be fair raised concerns early on. so before the program was even fully implemented the next year you said the tsa has become a monster that was 13 years ago.
>> well it has. it started out with 16,500 screeners. we're now at over 60 employees. we have 15,000 administrators just here in washington we have 4,000 administrative personnel. this has grown completely out of control. it isn't doing the job we need to. what we need to do is be able to connect the dots get intelligence information, go after people who pose a risk. and they can't do it with the current system. and they're failing to detect even these test incursions that are within their own realm. >> and i know that you've been privatizing a lot of the tsa functions. obviously, that's been a function. a couple dozen airports out of 450 in the country have actually done that. you know i'm just wondering why you see that as such a solution? the former president of the union -- let me finish the question quickly. he says look, if you're going to
allow private contractors to bid, you're going to go to the lowest bidder. that's one concern. the other is as we have all learned in this country, somebody like edward snowden worked for a private contractor. private contractors are not a panacea. >> the private contractors are used for actually the screening. and screening is not a law enforcement function. what is a government function is setting standards a government function is connecting the dots finding out who poses a risk making certain they don't get through the airport security. almost every program they had, we ocould take you behavior detection -- i'm sorry, 3,000 employees and we spent a third of a billion dollars a year on that. and they let what is it 25 terrorists -- 17 terrorists through airport 17 times. that means some terrorists have gone through multiple times.
government's responsibility is the security the intelligence and not the mundane chore of screening passengers. >> all right. well congressman, i appreciate your time. thank you so much sir. >> thank you. >> and with the shocking tsa failure, tonight's battle in congress on the nsa's authority to investigate terrorism is center stage. it's a debate that matters for all americans and has major implications for the 2016 race for the white house. dana bash is live in south carolina tonight. dana that debate really heating up today between some of the major presidential candidates. >> absolutely. and right here in south carolina you saw lindsey graham announcing that he is running for president, primarily because he wants to push back on the kind of foreign policy kind of national security that rand paul has been talking about. lindsey graham is quite specific about why he wants to be commander in chief. >> i want to be president to defeat the enemies that are trying to kill us.
not just penalize them or criticize them or contain them but defeat then. >> reporter: barely scratching 1% in most polls, graham knows he has a steep hill to climb. cnn is told he is running primarily to force a debate within the gop on foreign policy. >> those who believe we can disengauge from the world at large and be safe by leading from behind vote for someone else. >> reporter: there a not so subtle dig at rand paul, a noninterventionist and graham's chief foil particularly on national security. for months, the two have exchanged long distanced barbs, and graham was even caught rolling his eyes last month as paul talked. >> tonight begins the process of ending bulk collection. >> reporter: paul's headline making filibuster temporarily stopped the nsa's dragnet data program which graham calls essential. and it was a welcome contrast on his announcement day. >> so little by little we have
allowed our freedom to slip away. we allowed the fourth amendment to be diminished. >> reporter: graham is hardly the only republican candidate who disagrees with paul. most do and are eager to say. so. >> the first duty of our national government is to protect the homeland. and this has been an effective tool, along with many others. the patriot act ought to be reauthorized as. >> it's very dangerous. this is probably the most dangerous time for americans here since september 11th. >> i don't think there is anything anything that we should be doing to lessen our ability to protect the homeland. >> reporter: yet paul is pursuing a very different kind of gop primary voter, libertarians. his stand with rand social media hash tag is generating buzz online and dollars for his presidential campaign. >> when fear and complacency allow power to accumulate -- >> reporter: he even used some of his epic senate floor speech in this campaign video, which violated senate rules prohibiting video of senate proceedings for political
purposes. his rhetoric is generating some unwanted headlines like making this accusation against opponents. >> some of them i think secretly want there to be an attack on the united states so they can blame it on me. >> reporter: this morning, he walked that back. >> i think sometimes going after people's motives and impugning people's motives is a mistake. and in the heat of battle i think sometimes hyperbole can get the better of all of us. >> reporter: now paul is wearing it as a badge of honor that he stands virtually alone in the republican primary field when it comes to this issue. he claims that the others just don't get it. that in places like iowa and new hampshire, there are very specific voters who like the idea of the government staying out. and that being more important than national security especially in a place like new hampshire, live free or die, erin. and in fact lindsey graham is going to go there for his very first official campaign stop tomorrow. they'll test whether paul and
his advisers are right about that. >> all right, dana bash thank you so much. "outfront" next crime surging in major cities across america. police backing down out of fear of arrests and being called racists? plus caitlyn jenner once known as bruce revealing her new body and even more stung details about her transition from man to woman. and a pastor caught in floodwaters. one minute police trying to rescue him. the next they shoot and kill him. what went wrong? we just got the video tonight.
working on my feet all day gave me pain here. in my knees. but now, i step on this machine and get my number which matches my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts. now i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my knee pain. find a machine at drscholls.com you wouldn't order szechuan without checking the spice level. it really opens the passages.
ortho home defense gives you year long control of all these household bugs - roaches, ants, and spiders. spectracide gives you year long control... of just roaches. their label says so. got more than roaches moving in? get home defense. the label tells the story. some weed killers are overzealous. they even destroy your lawn. ortho weed b gon kills weeds... not lawns. our label says it. your grass proves it. get ortho weed b gon. the label tells the story. tonight a deadly crimewave gripping some of america's biggest cities from new york to st. louis. gun violence has been surging. in fact baltimore just suffered its worst month for murders in decades. why? well some say police are afraid
to do their jobs. miguel marquez is "outfront." >> reporter: protests and rioting in baltimore and ferguson. anti-police demonstrations from new york to california and now worrying indications violent and deadly crime in some places on the rise. in new york a brazen scene. police now seeking this man who fired off several rounds in brooklyn's bushwick neighborhood. a 50-year-old man shot twice but survived. and one of the nation's latest murders, this weekend a 23-year-old from the bronx in new york. >> i saw the brother on the floor with the big hole where his heart should have been just pumping blood. >> reporter: police grappling with increased crime, worse in places like baltimore that has seen so much protest and violence in recent weeks. the month of may in baltimore the deadliest in 40 years.
in houston, murders up 45% year to year. in chicago, where total crime is down murders and shootings up. in new york where crime overall is also down, murders up. nearly 20%. in milwaukee, says "the wall street journal," murders up a staggering 180% this year. the paper also says in los angeles crime is down but in the south central precinct, shootings up 100%. and in st. louis, next door to ferguson missouri the post dispatch reports 70 homicides this year. that's up more than 30%. a former baltimore cop and current professor of policing. >> if there is a national mood that starts to see police as the bad guys police as the enemy responsible for these problems it makes it a hell of a lot harder to police. one way that cops deal with that is they stop policing those people. >> reporter: one example, new
york city has sharply limited the controversial police tactic of stop and frisk. at its height in 2011 nearly 700,000 mostly black and latinos stopped and searched. so far this year just 11,000 total. but gun crimes in new york now up. are increases in gun crimes tied to a sharp decrease in stop and frisk? >> it's entirely possible that stopping hundreds of thousands of people which has moral and constitutional and legal questions, but it's quite possible it has a strong deterrent effect on people carrying guns. if we give that up and people start dying again, then we have to come up with a plan b. >> reporter: now it's not clear what that plan b might be there is a lot of discussion why this may be happening right now. in baltimore, which we have looked at so closely over the last few weeks, both the police commissioner there and the police union have echoed the same thing. police officers concerned that they don't have proper probable cause of making arrests, and they could now go to jail now that six police officers have been charged there.
and the police union there is saying basically the criminals have the upper hand. erin? >> miguel thank you very much. it's fascinating when you look at the statistics. i want to bring in bill stanton, former nypd officer and van jones. bill, let me start with you. you heard miguel go through the statistics in terms of murder rates. overall crime was down in some city petty crime et cetera but murders up chicago, new york baltimore, milwaukee, st. louis, in all of those cases. is this because police are pulling back? they're afraid? they're afraid to do their jobs? they're afraid of going to jail? they're afraid of being called racist or it is ridiculous bunk? >> it's all of the above, erin. when you take away police pride and you take away giving them the benefit of the doubt, and they are more afraid they are ready, willing and able to run in the line of fire to go up against a perpetrator with a knife, to help anyone of any color, when you take the benefit of the doubt away and you're going to call them racist or
look to prosecute them for doing nothing wrong, then what happens they're going to roll back. they're not going to go that extra mile. they're going to do to the letter of the law. and that is evidence of what is happening with our politicians and far left. >> van, i know you disagree. i know you think it's an insult to suggest an officer won't do his job for any reason. what do you think is causing this increase in murders? >> well first of all let's just say this whole idea, there is now an organized orchestrated campaign on the part of the police officers union to associate every crime in america now with lawful first amendment protests and concerns about policing. and it's completely ridiculous. they're cherry picking the data there are places where crime is falling and where murders are down. they don't point to those cities. this is all a part of an attempt to tell black people faa that if we exercise our first amendment rights we are somehow responsible for people who engage in crime. why should the black community have to choose between police abuse and police neglect?
that's a false choice. i don't know why the murders are going up in some places and neither does anyone else. what i do know is that these numbers are volatile across the country, and there is an organized campaign now to tell african americans basically shut up and take it. and that is wrong. we want better policing, and we deserve better policing. we should not be left to swing between police abuse and police neglect. >> so for each of you, though, there are some serious question foss your points. let me start with you bill. statistically, it is safer to be an officer now than it has been in the past, to van's point. you see the increase this year. but 50 police officers on average shot and killed every year over the past decade. that number is half what it was in the 1970s. it is safer to be a police officer today even with this discussion. >> this past year my understanding is what you see it in the news, where people just turn around and shoot an officer in the head where an officer is having his lunch in a patrol car and he is summarily executed. the shooting, the death rate of police officers i disagree has gone up. in my opinion, direct reaction
to people screaming cops are evil cops are bad. where is -- when i was raised which would always go to a cop. your parents say you're in trouble go to a cop. that doesn't seem to be the case today. cops want to help people. >> van? >> i just -- listen i have so much respect for this officer. but i just have to say. >> my name is bill stanton. you can call me bill. >> fine. i was trying to give you your title. but i'll call you whatever you want to call me. but in this case i'll have to call you wrong there are communities across the country where people do not have a bad relationship with the police and they want that relationship with the police. the reason that we have had these protesters is because people want better policing. part of the challenge that we have here is this idea that police are so thin skinned that if someone says a bad thing about them they're going to stop doing their job. i'm from a law enforcement family. police are called worse than racist every single day on their job, and they do their job. so i think it's an insult to law enforcement to sit up here and pretend that our law enforcement does not support the first
amendment, does not support the right to protest can't be criticized. and if so, they're going let people die in our streets? that is wrong to say about law enforcement, sir, and i'll be the first to tell you that. >> i'm happy to have that conversation with you. you're a smart articulate man who is passionate about his opinions but on this you're wrong. when you take police officers doing their job, what i don't hear being addressed is the abundance of crime in the inner cities and who is committing those crimes. so we're identifying the spilled milk but we're not talking about how to clean it up. and to hear you and others you your opinion constantly saying cops are racist or bad, let's talk about how we stop that crime in the city education and jobs. but you don't ever bring that up. >> van what about some of the times -- van, what about play a little video here. we've heard people saying f the police calling them terrorists. we have it on video. it happens at some of these protests. >> sure. >> this is our miguel marquez on the streets of baltimore.
[ bleep ] [ bleep ]. straight up. >> and then you get this national coverage of these stories which you should. it's important because we need to address the issue. but do you think it's fair van, that some police might say look i don't want to be the guy who becomes the next darren wilson, the guy who is called a racist? >> well, hold on a second. what the offensive would be that you have cases for instance where a police officer shot a man running away from him on video. the alternative is we're not supposed to protest because somebody might have their feelings hurt. at a certain point, that's not fair either. >> right. >> when you have these situations where law enforcement officers are doing things like this, are you saying the african american community cannot exercise our first amendment right to protest injustices like that? that's wrong tire, no, protest is fine. burning down stores, robbing looting and hurting people. that's what is happening all over the country. >> no, no, no. that's not happening -- >> no? it didn't happen in ferguson? it didn't happen in baltimore?
>> in two cities. in two cities. that's not across the country. we have three hundred million people in 50 states. so no, not across the country. here is what i think we have to be able to come to the table and agree on. we don't want street violence, unlawful street violence. we don't want unlawful police violence. and the only way to will get is to recognize there are some parts of law enforcement that seem to be have been going too far. they've got to be corrected there are folks in our communities who are doing the wrong thing. they've got to be corrected. but to say if you say that you don't want -- >> you should stop right there. >> that's wrong. >> you know what? you had me right there. we're both in agreement, for once. >> we'll leave it there. in a rare moment of peace, amicability. next, this is caitlyn jenner today on the cover of "vanity fair" that is the former bruce jenner. and you'll hear why she says she is finally free. and we also have tonight "outfront" for the first time dash cam video of a young pastor
shot and killed by police. this started with police attempting to rescue him from floodwaters in the midwest. what happened? the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do.
tonight meet caitlyn jenner. you probably know her as bruce jenner the olympian and reality tv star. but tonight generaler is gracing the cover of "vanity fair," debuting a very new identity in a very revealing and feminine photo. today she tweeted, quote, i'm so happy after such a long struggle to be living my true self. welcome to the world, caitlyn. can't wait for you to get to know her/me. >> as soon as the "vanity fair" cover comes out, i'm free. >> reporter: this is caitlyn jenner 65 years in the making. in 1976 bruce jenner was an american hero, winning gold in the decathlon, which is possibly the most demanding of olympic sports. >> i was probably at the games because i was running away from a lot of things. >> reporter: jenner quickly became a household name rising from wheaties box stardom. >> i worked out a lot, ate a lot of wheat east.
>> reporter: to tv and movie roles. >> i told you i had a surprise for you. >> reporter: married three times, his marriage to kris jenner lasted 24 years. they had two daughters together and generaler is a stepfather to kris' other four children. the blended family of course most famous perhaps for starring in the reality show "keeping up with the kardashians." >> whatever happens, i always want you to know that daddy loves you. >> reporter: jenner now admits he began taking hormones to begin transitioning to a woman all the way back in the 1980s. but years of rumor and speculation didn't end until this april when jenner broke his silence, telling abc's diane sawyer he was done lying. >> i can't do that any longer. so i'm going to take my ponytail out. yeah why not. we're talking about all this stuff. yeah let's take the damn ponytail out. >> reporter: his family has been supportive so far. but some have said they'll miss their dad. >> i don't like when people say bruce is going to be gone. >> i'm not going anywhere.
>> "outfront" tonight, dr. norman spack. he is an endocrinologist and chloe. zoe, let me start with you this. is obviously incredible today, this cover. and you see caitlyn jenner and she is beautiful, and she is in this corset so feminine. just over a month ago on cnn you were talking about gender. you were concerned at the time he was trying to cling on to that quote unuquote maleness. what do you make of today's cover? >> it's very feminine. it's very sexy and it's a statement. and the statement is i'm female. and i mean, there is clearly no doubt. so jenner is selling a product. jenner is selling sex. generaler is part of the kardashian cast. and in keeping with that tradition, jenner has come off as looking as very, very attractive and sexy. >> so dr. spack, it's
interesting when you hear zoe's reaction to this. you saw the moment in the abc special when jenner was at first hesitant to take out his ponytail that we just played. at the time it was bruce. and he said i want to be called bruce. i want to be referred to by male pronouns. he was very adamant about it. here we are a few months later. now it's caitlyn. it's a corset. its cover of "vanity fair." it's a she. what do you make of this change and the speed with which it has happened? >> well i don't think i'm really in a position to judge why the speed. but there is a voice that has never been heard in all of this. and that is one of the most important voices for both caitlyn and for the family. and that is the therapist. i mean clearly, one does not just go at whatever pace you
wish. these things are worked out. i have every reason to believe that bruce as he wanted to be known at the time during the sawyer interview was not yet ready to perhaps for the family or perhaps even for himself to go public and admit that he was as close to being able to reveal his true self as he was. >> i mean zoe, caitlyn jenner has a new twitter handle today. this is stunning. a million followers in four hours that beats out the guinness world record of president obama that is incredible. go ahead, zoe. >> this is a roll-out of a product. this is not somebody that is going at their pace. this is a highly professional roll-out of a product. and it's all timed.
it was timed -- the abc interview was timed for sweeps. and now we've got a reality show coming up. and this is to draw viewers in. and their twitter campaign has already been put together and designed. this is all highly produced. you got to hand to it jenner's camp, to the kardashian camp to kris jenner. this is brilliant marketing. and for anyone to say that this is a transgender person moving at their pace is absurd. having gone through the process, this is a very slow difficult process to go through. everything changes. and it's being done very publicly. i publicly transitioned. it was not the way to go. and, you know one has to wonder what jenner is truly thinking. >> dr. spack, i know that you're saying this is a bit out of your purview. but what is your reaction when you hear that from zoe as someone who has gone through this? >> well i do understand it.
i do have to say that when i first was involved with sawyer's show i was concerned at the total publicity of the whole thing. and i was even more concerned and most concerned when after the show i heard that there was going to be a reality show separate from the kardashian show that involved bruce now slash caitlyn alone. i didn't really see what was to be gained from that. in my experience people going through that like a period of extreme privacy at certain pivotal points along the transitional process. and i do have to say, zoe, that i shared your concerns about that. and started to think about the fact that here is a person who
spent -- earned money only by virtue of giving motivational speeches and never really had what we might call a real job. and in fact this was turning into a real job. >> you're a good doctor. you're a very good doctor. you make excellent points. this is a difficult process. it's a very personal private process. and transitioning, we tend to lose everything including our friends and our families. and we spend so much time trying to get these things back. so to do this publicly is not only difficult, but it's very dangerous because at some point, you know you crash, you know because you wind up having this crisis well will my family love me will i be able to date will i fall in love again. these are all very real issues. and you have to be a very strong person. and i wish the best to jenner. but this is not really the best
way of doing things. >> all right. i appreciate both of your forthrightness and taking the time. it's a fascinating topic. and i really appreciate your honesty. "outfront" next we have the dramatic dash cam video of a pastor shot and killed by the very police trying to rescue him from floodwaters. that story is next. and an apple computer originally selling for $666.66. was that really the number of the devil back then? 40 years later, you won't believe how much it's going for. make sure you get your ipad in your will. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. [whirring drones] just stay calm and move as quietly as possible.
♪ [whirring drones] ♪ no sudden movements. ♪ [screaming panic] ♪ [whirring drones] google search: bodega beach house. ♪ ♪ [drones crashing] ♪ unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling
burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it! make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. new larger size now available. mark and alissa anderson recently signed a 30-year mortgage on this home. they must be confident about the future. are you? buy in. quickenloans/home buy. refi. power. ♪ no artificial flavors,
colors sweeteners preservatives, and no artificial smiles. because clean dressings, taste better. ♪ when cigarette cravings hit, all i can think about is getting relief. only nicorette mini has a patented fast-dissolving formula. it starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. i never know when i'll need relief. that's why i only choose nicorette mini.
a pastor shot and killed by a state trooper. this encounter caught on camera. we have the video for you now tonight. officials say police were trying to save two brothers from rising floodwaters in oklahoma. a confrontation happened and one of the brothers a 35-year-old pastor ended up dead shot by police on the scene. nick valencia is "outfront." >> state troopers settle down you understand me? >> reporter: the dash cam video shows the dramatic and deadly encounter between a pastor and an oklahoma state trooper. seconds later, nehemiah fischer is seen wrestling with the officers, then gunshots. the 35-year-old was killed. fischer's father doesn't understand why his son had to die. >> life was not in danger. why? why did he shoot my son? >> reporter: martin fischer says it was dark and foggy around 9:30 friday night as his two
sons were pulling their truck from floodwaters. at some point, fischer says a vehicle approaches. >> there were no flashing lights that they seen and they were yelling at them and they could not hear anything. so nehemiah started walking towards them. >> you ready? >> reporter: fischer spoke to cnn before police showed the dash cam video during a press conference this afternoon. oklahoma state troopers say the dash cam video shows their use of force was justified. >> and i know brandon, my oldest son is of course taking the blame for his younger brother being -- >> reporter: brandon is seen in the video as his brother nehemiah advances towards the officers uninjured. he has been charged with assaulting a police officer and public intoxication. >> i want to know what they said to him to make them do that. because they would not do that on their own volition. >> reporter: for the fischer family, anger has given way to
grief and prayer. >> the next time i see my son nehemiah he'll be in a coffin. i won't be able to hold him and talk to him. >> i spoke to the family immediately after the dash cam video was released. and at that time they said they had still not seen the video. this investigation is still pending. toxicology reports have still not been completed. and at a press conference, the oklahoma state troopers reminded the public that this call was for them to be dispatched to help the two brothers but it eventually ended in this tragedy. >> nick thank you very much. obviously the pastor being shot and killed. paul callan is with me now. people can see it, the moment the two brothers are approaching the officers, the one brother had his arms out and was essentially charging. that's the critical moment. based on what you see in this moment is the use of deadly force justified or not? >> i don't think the film is absolutely dispositive on it because the test really is that
the law hands down is would a reasonable person in the cops' position have felt themselves to be under attack? now remember i think the pastor has a gun on him, or this is what we've been told in terms of information we have. so did the police reasonably think that they were being attacked. >> on the far left of the camera so everyone can seattle. that's when he charges the one. >> it looks like he has his hands out and may be ready to jump the cop. but why would somebody being rescued jump a rescuing police officer? and i think the answer to that may be found in the blood alcohol level in him when that result is made public. remember they said public intoxication was charged, at least with respect to one of the two individuals. so maybe the blood alcohol level will tell us the level of intoxication. >> the belligerence. thank you so much, paul allen. >> thank you. "outfront" next one man's rotten apple turns into another's gold.
how much did a recycling center get for one of the oldest slowest computers on earth? plus cnn celebrating a special birthday today. jeanne moos has been here pretty much from day one. a look back like only jeanne can do, coming up. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. get the complete balanced nutrition of ensure. with nine grams of protein... and 26 vitamins and minerals. and now with... ...twice as much vitamin d ...which up to 90% of people don't get enough of. the sunshine vitamin! ensure. take life in. if you're taking multiple medications
does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. remember, while your medication is doing you good a dry mouth isn't biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support.
a rare an el computer sells for $200,000. the seller wants to share the wealth with the woman who trashed the vintage computer. dan simon is out front with tonight's money & power. >> it's a graveyard for electronics. stereos, vhs machines and old computers lining the shelves of a recycling business called clean bay area near san jose. he's talking about what may have looked like an old worthless computer. the contents turned out to be quite a surprise. the first desktop computer made
by the two steves famously in steve jobs garage in 1976. >> sometimes you never know what's going to be in that box. >> yeah. >> the computer, buried in one of the boxes, dropped off in april by an elderly woman in a hurry. >> she said this box was from her husband, he just passed away a couple months ago, and she said i want to clean out the garage. take the box, recycle do whatever you want. >> victor gichun said the boxes sat in the warehouse for weeks, until an employee began looking through them. >> he called me and said look at this i looked at the computer. i said seriously? they determined it was the real deal. only 200 apple 1 units were ever produced it's believed about 50 still exist. >> 95,000. >> they bring a large price tag
since jobs' death in 2011. when the recycling company realized what they had, it didn't take long to find a buyer about. >> you said $200,000 and he said -- >> yeah i'll see you tomorrow. he brought cash. and we couldn't believe our eyes because it's ridiculous. >> the way victor sees it half the money belongs to the woman that unknowingly left them a computer that spawned the computer revolution. he never got a name but certainly remembers her face. >> and we will give you a $100,000 check. >> do you think she'll come? >> i hope so. >> and the truth is this computer era probably could have fetched more money, a museum in detroit paid nearly $1 million for one last year but they're okay with the $200,000. basically found money, and theyen watt to do the right thing and give this woman a cut of the proceeds.
my name is jeff richardson the vice president of operations here at c.k. mondavi. to make this fine wine it takes a lot of energy. pg&e is the energy expert. we reached out to pg&e to become more efficient. my job is basically to help them achieve their goals around sustainability and really to keep their overhead low. solar and energy efficiency are all core values of pg&e. they've given us the tools that we need to become more efficient and bottom line save more money. together, we're building a better california.
serving on air personality currently at cnn. who is second? >> larry king? >> come on larry and his suspenders left cnn over four years ago. >> jeanne moos? >> look at you. >> look at you, look at me i'm the one that's been at the network for 34 1/2 years. arriving at cnn in plattsburgh, new york. animals have been a highlight of my cnn careers. >> have you ever committed adultery. >> some reporters pulled out all the stops. i pulled out sharp objects. no no no. i don't want to -- >> you didn't want to, but you did a great job. >> in the early days of cnn people called us chicken noodle news. i split my time covering the silly and the serious.
i've worn a lot of different hats. mostly to keep my hair down. >> the wind blows it up. >> one of my hairiest moments is when i mixed up an ex-president rent one. >> i've been called worse than that. >> i got to pick a lot of my stories, whimsical ones like the life of a traffic cone how they give up theirs to protect ours. and they spend their lives getting laid over and over. >> what's the life span of a cone. >> over the years i've probably done thousands of man on the street interviews. >> you are the world's most famous street walker. >> other reporters are out risking life and limb. i just risked limb. >> she seems to like being mocked. just kidding. >> jeanne moos still at cnn. >> and tonight we take a look at the past 35 years the stories
and moments on cnn, tonight at 9:00 only here on cnn. be sure to set your dvr, you can see out front any time any place, i'll see you back here tomorrow night. ac 360 with anderson cooper begins now. thanks for joining us tonight reveals about a hospital doing open heart surgery on babies without enough experience to do it safely. babies dying or suffering life changing complications. tonight we're keeping them honest. also we have breaking news about undercover inspectors who put airport security to the test and found it failed big time time after time. they managed to bring guns explosives through tsa checkpoints again and again and again all over the country. not just one airport. we just learned that the man in charge plans to do to fix the problem, we'll tell you about that just ahead the headline