tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN January 17, 2016 6:00am-7:01am PST
"state of the union" starts right now. back to back. hillary clinton and bernie sanders are both here, just hours before they face off at the debate. >> secretary clinton and her campaign know she's in serious trouble. >> the race tightens with the first dates just days away. >> he has big ideas, but he hasn't told anybody how he would pay for them. >> could clinton lose iowa, again? >> i know it's make or break time. >> both candidates will be here in minutes. plus -- republican front runner donald trump, the gloves are off as he and ted cruz battle for iowa. >> i guess the bromance is over. >> now he takes on cruz's character. >> he is very strident and not a nice person. >> and cruz's ties to goldman
sachs. >> they loaded him a million dollars, they have control of him. >> one on one on the road as we countdown to iowa. hello i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is jam-packed. we're only two weeks and one day away the from the iowa caucuses. and on today's show, the parge players on both sides of the presidential race, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, and donald trump, all coming up. . just hours, the democratic candidates are going to face each other down at their debate in charleston, south carolina, and they have plenty of new material with clinton and sanders both lobbying fresh lines of attack against the other this week. meanwhile, breaking news this morning, senior administration official telling cnn that the plane carrying three of the previously detained americans freed by iran yesterday, has taken off from teheran. the men released as part of a swap with iran including
washington post journalist jason rezaian, and christian pastor, saeed, they are spending a couple days at a u.s. military hospital in germany for medical evaluation before coming home. fourth american was not on the plane. he decided to stay in iran, following his release. this deal comes after more than a year of a negotiations accelerated by president obama's controversial nuclear deal with iran. yesterday, international economic sanctions were lifted on iran. after the united nations declared that iran had dismanled large parts of the nuclear program. >> taken significant steps that many and i do mean many. >> lots to talk about this morning, we're joined right off the bat by democratic candidate for president and former secretary of state, hillary clinton. madame secretary, thanks for joining us. on saturday you called for new sanctions against iran for it's
ballistic missile program, that prompted a response from another american who was once held prisoner in iran, shane bower, one of the hikers released in 2011. he had tough words on quote writing quote, why would she call for more sanctions now, four of the americans are still in iran, totally irresponsible, unquote, he also said, whenever he was in iran, whenever he heard your voice, his heart would sink because quote, all she does with iran a inflame tensions. i want to give you awe chance to respond. >> well, look, i appreciate what he went through when he was held prisoner in the infamous iranian prison. and we were very happy that we were able to get him and the two other hikers back home. but we have a very clear path. we are pursuing with iran. i am pleased that we do have an agreement that is being implemented. and i was part of putting that in place by getting the sanctions imposed on iran that
the entire world went along with. but we also have made it clear from the beginning that their missile activity is still subject to sanction. that is part of the overall approach that the administration has taken toward iran, and that i support. so when we became aware of missile activity that is under u.n. supervision and is prohibited. it would be a mistake not to make clearle to iran that we are very, very happy to see us implementing the agreement to put a lid on the nuclear weapon's program and the way that they have complied, but that doesn't mean they can now go off and invest and test a lot of miss ms that would eventually be able to be intercontinental that could reach the united states and maybe carry a very dangerous weapon.
so i think there might be a misunderstanding of what our whole agreement consistents of because certainly i've made clear, i'm proud of the role that i played in getting that agreement in place, but as president, i will enforce it. and there have to be conseque e consequences if iran veers away from what it has agreed to or what it has been mandated to do or prohibited from doing by the international community. >> let's turn to politics, obviously a big night tonight. democratic debate, you'll be facing off with bernie sanders in this new, more contentious phase of the election with just a weak, two weeks and a day until the iowa caucuses. one of your top allies, david brock, is calling on bernie sanders to release his medical records. the campaign, jeff weaver, he called this one of the most desperate and violent attacks imaginable. who's right there, david brock or jeff weaver? >> well, i don't know anything about it, but i've released my
medical records, and i remember being asked frequently for me to do so, and so, obviously that's, you know, something i'll leave up to the sanders' campaign. but this is a spirited debate because although we share some very similar goals for our country, we have differences. and senator sanders has been pointing them out. one of my biggest differences has been on guns. and i'm very pleased that he flip-flopped on the immunity legislation. now i hope he will flip-flop on what we call the charleston loophole, and join legislation to close that because its been a key argument of my campaign that we democrats, in fact, americans need to stand up to the gun lobby and pass comprehensive common sense gun measures that will make america safer. and that's what i intend to do. >> one of your major lines of attack against bernie sanders in addition to the gun one that you just levelled has been on his proposal for single-payer health
care. back in 1994, you said a single payer system administrated by the states would actually lower health care costs. take a listen. >> single-payer would have lower costs and one of the reason that the president has a e provision in his approach that guarantees states can go single payer is to permit states that are able to do that to start now the single payer vote. >> now i know that was a long timing a, but you said single payer would not be politically feasible. until a perfect world, do you believe that single payer would ultimately lower health care costs? >> well, i believe in universe sam health care, and i think we have now, finally, after many decades of efforts, thanks to president obama, a plan that will get us to universal health care. it's the affordable care act. so i'm not interested in what the republicans are trying to do, which is to repeal it as
they consistently vote to do, and i also think it would be a mistake to really thrust our country sboop another contentious national debate about how we're going to provide quality, affordable conference call -- >> but on the merits. >> well, the merits are, we need to get to universal health care. that is the merit. the smert, how do we get to universal health care where everybody's covered, everybody can afford it, we've had experimentation with states, vermont found that the cost and the tax that were required were prohibited. colorado, now has a referendum on it's ballot, so it's going to also per stew. i'm a big believer in letting states experiment, but when it comes to where we are right now in 2016, i'm going to defend, protect, and improve the affordable care act. >> for years, you've been protective of your daughter, chelsea clinton, especially when
she was a child and now a grown week. this week she sprietzed a lot of people when she unleashed one of the most scathing attacks accusing bernie sanders of wanting to empower republican governors who might then cut health care. plitt fact called them mostly false, david axelrod said it was not an honest attack, and mark shield said the attack turns your daughter into a, quote, political hack. do you think it was a mistake to muddy up chelsea like that? >> look, she was asked a question. i love my daughter, and she answered a question, and all i can say, jake, is that the only health plan we know of from senator sanders is what's described in the legislation that he has introduced, nine times, in the congress, in the senate, and it does turn all of the programs, we know of, that provide health care over to the states. the federal government would
provide a big portion of the cost, but states would be mandated to also pay consider wli about 14% of the cost. that's what's in his bill. sop, i think anyone who wants to compare and contrast since we don't have any more current plan from senator sanders, has to look at the legislation that he introduced. and yes, if it were going to be state-run, then governors, republican and democrat alike would bare responsibility for appropriate rating the funds and administrating it, according to senator sanders' own legislative proposals. >> so no regrets about using chelsea that way? >> i didn't use her. she answered a question. and you know, she gave a factual answer based on the legislation that is the only way we know what senator sanders is actually proposing because he introduced
it nine tames in the congress. >> plitt fact said it was mostly false, let's move on. new movie opened this weekend, it's called "13 hours: the versi benghazi." from an attack by islamic militants. are you planning to see it at all? >> i'm just too busy campaigning. i am still very focussed on making sure we do everything we can as i did when i was secretary of state, as i testify to over 11 hours to make sure that nothing like that happens again. and so far as we are able to prevent. and that's my focus when it comes to the continuing obligation at it united states government has, whenever we send anyone into harm's way. >> let's talk about isis. it's a big concern among many americans. i know you're reluctant to criticize president obama, and i understand that, but i want to ask you about the situation in
syria on the ground. ann marie slaughter, the former director at the state department under you, she told me on my show "the lead," that if president obama had listened to you about arming the syrian moderates years ago, there's a quote, very good chance that we would not be facing isis like we are now. do you agree? >> well, we'll never know the answer to that question. obviously i thought, at the time, it was the right approach. and i advocated for it, along with then secretary panetta and cia director petraeus because i was worried about what would happen if there were a very vicious civil war. when on one side you had assad's army backed by iran, and now we know also backed by russia against a group of people who wanted more freedom, wanted to live in dignity, not the
continuing oppression from the assad regime, that it would billion a pretty uneven match to be understating that. and it could open territory for triflts groups, foreign fighters, and others to come in. so let's talk about where we are now and i've lay out a plan to deal with isis about air power that is being used knew with more nations joining the united states which is in the lead to try to go after isis leadership, infrastructure, other assets. also to support iraqi and syrian fighters who are on the ground trying to take territory back from isis. and what else wet need to do to build up those forces. the iraqi army, which has had some success taking back ramadi, ab sunni triable fighters which we have to get back into the fight and that is beginning to happen and support rg the
kurdish fighters who've been extraordinary brave on both sides of the borlder by heavening to equip and support them. so we have a clear mission to deprive isis of territory and there is some movement, positive movement on that. and then we havele to cut off their foreign fighters. their foreign funding and take them online, take them on online so they are no longer able to recruit and prop began dice, which keeps their flow of fighters and money coming. >> i'm told we're out of time, i just have one last question for you, in terms it of the status of the fbi investigation into your private e-mail server, have you been interviewed by the fbi yet? >> no. >> you haven't. all right. secretary clinton, thank ou so much. good luck with the debate tonight. >> thanks, thanks jake. and we'll be back with more on this quickly tightening race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders.
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welcome back to "state of the union." just hours before his next faceoff with former secretary of state hillary clinton, they are sharpening their attacks on one another. this morning, a key clinton ally is calling for senator sanders to release his medical records. that's a move the sanders campaign called, vile and desperate. how is this all going to play out tonight? joining me now is democratic candidate for president and vermont senator, bernie sanders, thanks for joining us senator sanders. let's start with the call from david brock for you to release your medical records. why does your campaign consider this vile and desperate? >> well first of all, david brock is not a clinton ally, he's head of their superpack. and the superpack that receives millions of dollars from wealthy people. second fz all, of course we're going to release our medical
records. thank god i am very healthy. we will get our medical records out the same way that secretary clinton has gotten her records out. this is not a problem. >> we are old enough to remember when hin was very protective. chelsea clinton, she's been involved in past clinton campaigns, but we've never seen her used to attack a clinton opponent until this week when she went after your health care plan. i know that you respect chelsea clinton and that you believe she's just flat wrong to suggest your plan would take away people's health care and she hasn't read it, but were you surprised that chelsea clinton was deployed in that way? >> i was. i mean, chelsea clinton is a very, very smart and capable young woman. i'm sure she loves her mother and she's trying to do everything she can to make sure her mom wins. that's natural. i have four kids, seven grandchildren, they're rooting for me. but i was a little disappointed that what chelsea said was simply not accurate. the issue that she was raising
is that in republican conservative states, a medicare for all bill would not be implemented. that's not accurate. if a state does not go forward under my 2013 legislation federal government steps in. bottom line here jake is the united states is the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all people, and yet, we spend much, much more per capita on health care than do the people of other countries. and we still have 29 million people uninsured and many will underinsured. sop yes,ly continue the vision of fdr, harry trueman, i believe health care is a right for all people. it will be politically difficult to achieve, but i will maintain that vision and fight for it. that's the goal i want to see. >> and hillary clinton in her campaign keep going after you for it. in response, you tweeted a photograph this week of you and hillary clinton in 1993 in which she thanked you for your commitment to quote, real access, to health care for all
americans, unquote. is this your way of suggesting that clinton's attacks today, as opposed to back then, that today's attacks are phony and insincere? >> well, the reason that we did that is what secretary clinton understands. is that i have throughout my political life, believed that all americans are entitled to health care. and when her campaign attacks me, they're saying, sanders wants to dismember all of the health care plans that are out there, the aca and want other plans and leave millions of people uninsured, that is obviously not true. she has always done that, i have known hillary clinton for 25 years, i, you know, have a lot of respect for her. her campaign should not be suggesting that my ideas will leave millions of people without health insurance. in fact, the opposite is true. what i want to do is to make sure every man, woman, and child in this country has health care. and i believe, jake, we can do it in a much more cost effective
way than is currently the case. we are spending almost three times more than the british 50% more than the french on health care per capita. they provide health care to all people. we can do a lot better. >> let's talk about the single payer health care plan proposal. you said on january 3rd, that you would release a plan on how to pay for it before the iowa caucuses. you repeated that on the state of the union address. we're two weeks and one day away, are you prepared to release the details today? >> yes. i said we would do it, and we will do that. and here's the point that has to be made, my plan will save middle class families thousands of dollars a year on their health care proposals. we will not continue to see the drug campaigns in this country rip off the american people. last, jake, the three top drug companies in america made $45 billion in profits while senioring can't afford the medicine they desperately need.
that's pretty crazy stuff. we will deal with that. >> when are we going to see these -- the bottom line, how you're going to pay for this? when are we going to see the details. >> look, as you well know, i mean, i introduced in 2013 comprehensive legislation. i think it was 150 pages, it's complicated stuff, but we said we will get it out, and we will get it, in fact we're going to get it out shortly. i guess the reason it's a point of contention is because you said in september the only taxes you would raise on the middle class if you became president would be to fund your paid leave plan, but, when you've released single payer health care plans in the past, or advocated for them, they did include taxes that would hit the middle class. not because you wanted to, but because they were necessary to pay for it. >> well, if you consider a medicare premium as a tax, you know, that's true. health care is expensive.
but what we are doing, and this is a point, and it bothers me a little bit. republicans often make this attack, and i'm hearing toochl of it from the clinton camp. we are eliminating private health insurance premiums. you're not going to have to pay any. so yes, medicare premiums will in fact be there for all people. but, at the end of the day, the middle class family getting rid of all private health insurance premiums will save thousands of dollars a year in their health care costs. and i think most people will be appreciative. the other point i want to make here, jake, is, you know, the vision that we're fighting for here is what went back to fdr, harry truman. if hillary clinton said look, new zealand a tough political fight, i agree with her. i'm not saying you're going to get this done the first two days of my presidency. but i think we can rally the american people around two principles. health care should be a right of all people. we should not be paying far more per capita than other countries
on health care. and that's the fight i'm prepared to wage. >> let's turn to the issue of guns, when you were on this program last july, i asked you about your vote in 2005 to shield gun manufacturers from lawsuits, you defended that vote. take a listen. >> if somebody has a gun, and it falls into the hands of a murderer, and this murderer kills somebody with a gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? not anymore than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beat somebody over the head with a hammer. that is not what a lawsuit should be about. >> but now, sir, you seem to want to amend that law and take away the immunity. hillary clinton just said that you flip-flopped. >> well, what i said, look, let me start this by saying, you know, i resent very much clinton camp saying, i'm in the nra lobby. i have a d minus, that's a d, like in david, d minus voting voting record from the nra.
i likely lost an election, statewide election in 1988 because i was the only candidate running for congress who said you know what, military-style assault weapons should not be sold in america. i have always believed in a strong, instant background check. and doing away with the gun show loophole which is president is now trying to do -- >> the issue is the immunity. >> in term was this -- right, what i said jake is there were provisions in that legislation e ending piercing am nation. making sure we have safety locks for kids in that building. than made sense to me. there were provisions, and i said many months ago, that did not make sense to me. if for example a manufacturer understands that he is selling guns to an area that are being distributed to criminals, of course that manufacturer should be held liable. there is new legislation that
has now been, i think, it going to be introduced, and i am supportive of that. that is position that i've had for several months. >> all right senator bernie sanders, thank you so much for your time, good luck tonight, sir. >> thank you very much. coming up, the republican race in iowa is coming down to donald trump and ted cruz, and the gloves are off. but could trump's attacks backfire? we'll be face to face where the front runner on the road in iowa, next. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact.
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donald trump says this. >> i think in terms of a commander and chief we ought to have someone who isn't springing out of bed to tweet in a frantic response to the latest polls. i sat down with donald trump in the hawkeye state. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> let's talk about the race here nor iowa, it's getting competitive. very neck and neck between you and cruz. there's central marketing and corporates, it's polling people. iowa asking them about different attack lines against you. >> that's ted cruz. that's ted cruz. shouldn't be doing that. >> we don't know, i don't know for a fact that it's ted cruz -- >> if you look at his answer. somebody asked him do you think hst you, he went well, 00, uh, believe me, after i saw that, i
said, it's him. very unethical. >> one of the potential attack lines has to do with an answer you gave to frank luntz months ago when you said that you've never asked god for forgiveness. do you regret making that remark? >> no, i have great relationship with god. i have great relationship with the e vn jell calls. nationwide, i'm leading everybody. i like to be good. i don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. i am good. i don't do a lot of things that are bad. i try and do nothing that's bad. i live a very different life than probably a lot of people would think. and i have a very -- >> always or just now? >> after i great relationship with god, and i have a very great relationship with evangelicals, and i think that's why i'm doing so well with iowa. >> the life you have now when you say that you try to do good, that sounds very different from decades of tabloid media
coverage in new york in which some of your wilder escapades -- >> i'm talking about over the last number of years. i'm leading a very good life. i try to lead a good life and i have. and frankly the reason i'm doing so well in iowa and leading, including the cnn poll, where i'm 33-20 in iowa, that's -- and by the waun, one of the things i didn't like, ted cruz said he's doing so well. not doing so well, nationally he's not. >> you guy goes back and forth in iowa. if you look at the other places, and certainly not doing well nationally. >> let's talk about immigration. called for a deportation force that is correct eject 11 million or so undocumented immigrants. i asked ted cruz about that last week. he said, he would strengthen the border, enforce the law, but he said, on this. program, on state of the union, that quote we don't live in a
police state, this is a specific rejection of what i said you were proposing. and he said he's not going to sent jack boots to people's door. what's your response. >> president eisenhower, who is a very nice man, i like ike, that was a great slogan. i like ike. and president eisenhower, probably the number's's 2.3 million, went through this process. >> a lot of people think that's a shameful chapter of american history though. >> some people do and some people think it was effective chapter. and what happened is when they removed some, meaning brought them back, when they brought them back, they removed some, everybody else left. and it was very successful in one sense. so, i mean that's the way it is. look, we either have a country or we don't. if we don't have strong borders, we have a problem. zbrl let's talk about an ad that jeb bush is running in which he calls you a quote, jerk. specifically he talks about the remarks you made at that rally
where many people interpreted, and i know you reject it, you making fun of a reporter's zablts. now, i have heard from parents of children with disabilities who were really hurt and offended. and don't believe your denial. if you could go back and do it again, would you do it differently? i know that you say -- >> yes, i would. but let me tell you something, i have no idea what this reporter looked like or that he had difficulty. okay. he said he met me in the '80s. he said he knew me in the '80s. i had worked for the daily news. i don't remember that. and i have a very good memory. i don't remember that. but i had no idea who this reporter was, what he looked like. okay, and i give you my word on that, what i didn't like is the reporter wrote a story, like 15 years ago about, you know, having to do with the world trade center and about the dancing on the streets, which was a good story for me, in terms of making my point, he tried to take back that story.
i said he was graveling. graveling, you know what graveling means. >> yeah. >> and i said, i didn't know who the reporter was, i said a reporter was graveling. i'm just imitating a reporter. i was not imitating -- id never -- who would ever do that? if somebody had a ziblt, who would mock a disability? i would never -- i'm a smart person. i went to the worthen school of finance, like smart, good student, my uncle, professor at mit, and all that stuff, who would ever mock somebody, especially in you're running for office? i would never do that. let me explain this to you. >> yeah. >> the word gravel is exactly what i did. i don't want to do it again, but the word gravel is exactly what i did. because he wrote a story, all of the sudden, when i was using that story, he took it back. so i said, he gravelled. he was graveling. i have nol idea, i had no idea. and when i watch it, i say, wow, it really does look like that, but whafs doing is showing somebody that was graveling. >> if you could go back, you'd do it differently.
>> i would have not done it it. i swear to you, that's true. i had no idea. >> okay. >> now i may have met the guy, how many reporters, how many reporters do i deal with? hundreds a day. i mean there were hundreds -- >> you acknowledge it looked specific. i want to move on -- >> i'm just telling you, i was talking about a person graveling. >> okay. >> in this case, a reporter graveling and trying to take something back. that's what i meant by it. i swear to you, that's true. i met him in the 1980s, that's ridiculous. >> let's talk about the financing of your campaign. you said that you will self finance your campaign. you are getting donations, you're not asking for any -- >> let me say this, little donations where people send them in, honestly to send them back would be insulting to the people, and for a small amount of money. >> i get that. if you get the nomination, a general election campaign might require a billion dollars. >> yeah. >> to run against the democratic candidate, would you be willing to enter the public funding
program, the public financing program or would you spend a billion dollars or more? >> i don't know yet. i'm thinking about this one. i'm financing many i own campaign, when i get there, it's a different story because the party gets involved and it's a little bit of a different story -- >> are you reluctant to spend a billion -- >> i have a lot more than a billion dollars, if i want to do that, i don't know, i haven't made that decision yet -- >> i would think ivanka. >> he mint like the idea. >> none of my kids would like the idea. i haven't made that determination. i will tell you this, people love the fact that i'm self-funding my campaign. >> oh sure, i get it. >> they love the fact. in iowa, and in new hampshire, i had a standing ovation just when i said, i'm self-funding my campaign. standing ovation. people love the fact that i'm putting my own money in. that means that unlike bush, whose totally controlled by these people and unlike hillary and honestly, marco and everybody, by the way, ted cruz, he's got a lot of people putting big money in, probably maybe goldman sachs, we'll have to ask
him. they have control over him. >> do you think that ted cruz and all the other people you mentioned are more likely to do the bidding of their donors because they got money from them? is that the direct charge. >> oh yes. psychologically, yes. that is the way it is. shall be gives them money, not anything wrong, just psychologically, when they go to that person, they're going to do it. >> they owe them. >> they owe them. and by the way, they may therefore vote negatively toward the country. >> would you take the next step try to have some sort of campaign finance reform so big money is out of politics? >> well, i thinkout need it because i think packs are a horrible thing. first of all, everybody's dealing with that pack. it's supposed to be like a secret thing? they're all dealing. bush had an event where had he an event and event for his pack. right? for his campaign. the ballrooms were right next to each other. and the events were simultaneous. okay. you tell me they're not dealing with each other? so i think packs are very bad.
i think they're very dangerous. and you have to come up. i i think there has has been transparency, but packs are very bad. >> i have never, before seen, and i don't think it's ever happened, that there's been a state of the union address in which a candidate, you, were, was implicitly criticized, and then a response from the other party in which the same candidate, you, was imapplication sitly criticized. it was historic. what was it like to watch? >> my great honor. it was my great honor. because i'm angry. and they both said i was angry. and i get along with nikki, you know nikki said, we're friends. we are friends. i supported her. but, i am angry. and when she said there's an anger we shouldn't have. i disagree, there's an anger that we should have. our country is going to hell. whether it's isis, and we can't beat them, our military is
really in bad shape, it's not prepared, it's not, you know, it's got a lot of problems, and i guess monetary problems and other problems, but, when general left, he said it's the least prepared he's ever seen it, and he went a lot further than that because he went back a long way before his term. i would say this, people have to be very angry. and the reason i have these massive rallies where we had the other night, 15,000 people, and 7,000 people couldn't get in to the arena, you saw that, i mean, it was everybody was there. i have many of them, we're only judged by the size of the arena. these people are angry. and these are good people. these are great people. they aren't angry people, but they're angry at the way our country is run. you see the ten wonderful sailors where they're on their knees with a gun to their head and their hands up in the air, and you see that with iran, and they're only giving them back because they want their $150 billion that's due in two days. i think it's disgraceful what's
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it had no arms, but it welcomed me. (crow cawing) it had no heart, but it was alive. (train wheels on tracks) it had no mouth, but it spoke to me. it said, "rocky mountaineer: all aboard amazing". welcome back to state of the union. the republican race to win iowa is getting hot you noimight not even notice the snow. one tea party is warning trump to back off bashing ted cruz. mark levin telling trump in this open letter to cut the crab or lose lots and lots of
conservatives. i asked donald trump about his newly tense relationship with ted cruz when we sat down in iowa on friday. >> you defended new yorkers after senator cruz says you embodied new york values. you were insulted. the governor said he was insu insulted. some new york pundits said they were insulted. there are some that think ted cruz is invoking something else. he's talking about ethnics, jews. what do you think he means? >> i'm not sure he knows what he means. i thought it was very insulting to a lot of people, including maria who was asking the question. i thought it was very, very insulting. i immediately thought of the world trade center and the bravery of new yorkers and take the whole section and rebuild after the tragedy. the worst thing that ever happened to our nation because pearl harbor they were attacking
the military. here may are attacking civilians. frankly, you had two 110-story buildings fall down. thousands of lives death and the smell of death. the smell of death and to see what happened, that resurrection, the whole thing take place has gotten tremendous credit for it and for him to be criticizing new york, you thinking about the firemen running up the stairs knowing they may never come down. those buildings were in bad shape. the first one comes down and the second one they're running up the stairs and the policeman and everything else. i thought it was disgrateful he brought that up. >> do you think he was going after something, a dog whistle of sorts talking about ethnic people. >> i don't know what he was thinking about. some people gave him pretty good reviews. i think he came across as not a nice person. >> the issue about his constitutional eligibilities for
the office, he brought up an extreme example, extreme interpretation of natural born citizen, one that wouldn't allow marco rubio to be president. i know you have been talking about this challenge has something that legal experts and democrats might invoke. what do you think? do you think ted cruz is constitutionally eligible? do you think marco rubio is? >> it's a very, very simple in one way. it's a cloud. you can't have a cloud. you can't pick a candidate that may have a 5%, 10%, 20% chance. since that happened, there's been lawsuits filed. i said lawsuits will be filed. the democrats will file lawsuits. they filed lawsuits. now, he's got a problem. he was born in canada. he was a canadian citizen until 15 months ago, if you can believe that. >> he had dual citizenship. >> he said he didn't know.
he didn't know about his financial papers either. how are you going to be president if you don't know about a million dollar loan from goldman sachs. now he doesn't know he's a canadian citizen. that's worse than the other things. here's the thing. we have a man that didn't know about his financial statement. we have a man who signed an agreement saying he knows everything. >> that he sees papers, yeah. >> i have 100 pages, almost 100 pages and billions and billions of dollars that i'm talking about. i'm signing. he's got a very small amount of money, relatively. he makes a mistake. that's a pretty big mistake to make. number two and very importantly, you can't run with a cloud. lawrence tribe from harvard and many other lawyers say, got a problem. some are even stronger on the issue than lawrence. they say you have to be born on the land. you have to be born on the land in the united states.
john mccain was different because he was born on a military base. both of his parents were -- >> do you think the same cloud hangs over marco rubio? >> i don't think so. it's a very different thing. >> he was born in the united states. >> he was born on the land. ted was not born on the land. there's a very strict reading that you have to be born on the land. lawrence said based on ted's views, we would have to be born on the land. it's a real problem for him. >> what do you think? what's your opinion? do you agree with larry tribe? >> it doesn't matter what i think. there's a doubt. you can't have a doubt. >> you're running for the highest office of the land. >> the point is it doesn't matter. there's a doubt. i'll tell you what i think. there's a big doubt. it could go either way. it could go his way or this way. how do you put, as republicans, how do you nominate something, i
don't think he'll win. i think i'll win. we have somebody being challenged. two lawsuits are being filed. >> thanks so much for your time. >> thank you. >> a quick note cnn will have full coverage of the democratic debate beginning at 11:00 p.m. eastern. will hillary and bernie ease face off change the race? cnn top political analyst will break it down fp tha. thanks for spending your sunday with us. go to cnn.com/sotu for extras from the show. i'm jake tapper in washington. gps is next. i'm here to get the lady of the house back on her feet. and give her the strength and energy to stay healthy. who's with me?! yay! the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. with 9 grams of protein
this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you around the world. i'm coming to live from new york. we have a great show for you today starting with the day many critics said would never come. iran comes in from the cold satisfying all the initial requirements of the nuclear deal. at the same time tehran releases five american prisoners. is this a new era of relations with the west or are is a trick as some critics contend? a good deal or still a deal with the devil? president obama began his fil