tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 29, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
watch us any time. it's only 72 hours, actually 71 now, i think, until the caucuses. sunday night, 7:00 eastern, there will be a special edition of "outfront" live from iowa. "ac 360" starts right now. a good evening. thanks for joining us. just a weekend to go until the first vote in the 2016 election. there's breaking news involving the candidate who was once considered the far and away favorite to win it all. hillary clinton finds herself battling bernie sanders on the ground and in the polls. even voters who like them both also say they trust her less. fair or not the news tonight won't exactly help. longrunning controversy about her e-mails while secretary of state. the state department refused to release nearly two dozen e-mails from her private server. messages it did not consider top secret then but now in retrospect does. just before air time they did release about 1,000 others which were now going through. in a moment the possible
political impact of all this. first the story itself and our jim sciutto who joins us. there were just 1,000 or so e-mails released. it's the 22 e-mails the government won't release that are causing the biggest stir. >> seven e-mail chains. 37 total pages of e-mails which the state department says were upgraded to the top-secret level at the recommendation of the intelligence community. keep in mind we've talked about classified information in e-mails before, this is the first time where we've had that highest level of classification top secret involved. and that's what led the state department to refuse to release them tonight. >> hillary clinton is careful to say she never e-mailed material marked classified. the fact they weren't marked classified when she received or sent them, that doesn't necessarily absolve her of any responsibility, does it? >> the state department noted they were not marked as top secret at the time but two open questions. one, the state department looking into whether the information, even if it was not
marked as classified, was classified information at the time that it was sent as opposed to retroactively. that's important. if you heard from clinton's surrogate. the intelligence community, they're always retroactive ly certifying stuff. it's something the state department is examining right now. but beyond that, even if it's not marked, the state department says employees officials have a positive obligation to protect that information, to look out for it. for instance, if you e-mailed me something, anderson it was not marked as classified, but i knew i recognize some classified information in it. it would be on me, my responsibility, to identify it as such and to take action. state department says that san obligation of state department employees. >> lastly, what is next for clinton and the e-mails. what's the timeline? is this going to continue all the way to election day or beyond? >> it's possible.
tonight was supposed to be the night. tonight was the deadline to release all these e-mails. that isn't going to happen because several of them cannot be because of the top secret classification. that's one thing. you'll have more e-mails down the line. two, you have an ongoing state department investigation to answer that question we talked about earlier. was the information classified when it was sent, even if it was not marked as such. the big question is what does the fbi do? it may still recommend indictment for this. it's not certain. but that still is an open question out there. and you can imagine the political ramifications of that. >> do we know the timing of when the fbi might decide and these 1,000 e-mails that were released, we're going through those right now? >> we're going through those. we've got a big team here at cnn looking. so far we've seen interesting stuff but nothing that seems obviously damning at this point. we'll be distributing it out on cnn.com and other programs. as far as the fbi's decision, that lies with the fbi director.
it's up to him if and when he makes a recommendation. >> jim sciutto, long night ahead. just a short time ago, reaction from the candidate when asked about it by lester holt. >> why shouldn't people, as they weigh the electability question, worry about this hanging over your head as you march forward? >> because the facts have remained the same. there was never any information sent or received that was marked classified to me. >> for people who are watching this play out and know the republicans will come at you on this with an open investigation, shouldn't people have some concern? >> no, they shouldn't, lester. i just don't see it as anything that will in any way cause any voter to -- a voter with an open mind -- to have any concerns. >> today's development another wild card in a tight democratic rce. no shortage of wild cards in that or the republican race, including a blizzard that could hit on monday. let's talk first about the e-mails. john king who is reporting
tonight joins us now. so does gloria borger, senior political reporter nia mallika henderson and kevin madden and maria cardona. he's a republican strategist. she's a democratic strategist. also with us, "washington post" opinion columnist and form speechwriter for president george w. bush, michael gersten. here we are talking about these e-mails. this drip, drip continues. >> and even if several months from now hillary clinton is completely exonerated, the issue is what does an iowa voter do on monday? and lester holt asked exactly the right question. hillary clinton started as the formidable front-runner. one reason bernie sanders has been able to get competitive. and he's run a good campaign. if you are an iowa voter looking for change, something new and thinking about electability, this is another clinton with a cloud over the head. so it raises a doubt. and the last thing you need in a
tight race three days before the election is a doubt. >> and it raises tweets from donald trump. this one just tweeted, the new e-mail release is a disaster for hillary clinton. at a minimum how can someone with such bad judgment be our next president? >> certainly that's not surprising coming from donald trump. but, look, certainly the timing is not ideal. but i think what the campaign is going to continue to say is reflected in what she just said right there, which is that this really is nothing new from all of the other e-mails that have been released. they continue to say, and by the way, dianne feinstein, senator feinstein says she's seen these 22 e-mails and all of these e-mails are part of e-mail chains that were not originated by secretary clinton. they were originated inside the state department. and, yes, for the voter out there that's gobbly-di-gook. we'd be having the same conversation if she never had the private server, which she's apologized for. >> she live in a world where she
did use a private server and that's why there are these inquiries. one of the risks is the answers she gives continue to look for obtuse to the layman. and when they see her saying, you know, there's no classified information on these e-mails that were either sent or received, and meanwhile we hear a report after report about classified e-mails, it looks like she's out of touch. >> doesn't it get to the trust issue? the whole use of this server is not just a judgment issue. it's sort of just a basic trust issue. why was she doing this? >> i agree. if this remains at this level of specificity, this charge, it's another problem with honest and trustworthy. one more brick in her ethical baggage. but there is the possibility that the director of the fbi will raise this and recommend an indictment. it would go to the justice department. they'd have to make a choice. if they did not pursue an indictment they might resign in that instance. this could be the biggest issue
in this coming election or just a drip in this ethical charge. >> it's the not knowing at this point which to john's point about voters thinking on caucus night, what do they do? >> i think that's right. and even if bernie sanders isn't bringing this up, and he talked about sick and tired of your damn e-mails. his aides say he's not going to bring it up. marco rubio is running ads about this in iowa saying this is disqualifying. he was on television tonight saying the exact same thing. and you remember at this forum on monday that young voter stood up and said, listen. people i know don't trust you. i'm a young voter. what do you say. all she could say was, well, it was essentially the vast right wing conspiracy answer, right, that's for years and years people have been going after her. >> you've been talking to senator sanders. >> they say we don't care about your damn e-mails. >> they still say that? >> they still say that. bernie sanders is going to be
asked about it. he's going to have to have an answer. >> will it matter? >> i'm curious what that answer will be -- >> bernie sanders doesn't have to bring it up because it's already out there. >> can i just say that democratic primary voters overwhelmingly trust hillary clinton. >> yes. >> it's the rest of the country that has a little bit of a problem, okay? >> but they do trust sanders more. >> they do trust sanders more. >> it's like they trust him 73% and trust her 70%. >> and let's remember for a democratic primary, that's really all that matters. >> here's the oosh. >> later all she'll have that debate within the general election if she becomes the nominee. >> this is something that's her fault. she has admitted it. she says she made a mistake. now the explanation -- >> she said she was sorry. >> now it makes it look like she's a victim of bureaucratic wrangling. you can't have it both ways and say, wait a minute. it's my fault and oops, now i'm -- >> i just think that she's lucky
and blessed at the moment that bernie sanders doesn't want to go there. she is making the experience argument. what bernie sanders has effectively said about experience is, experience is great and dick cheney had plenty of experience and look at her judgment on the iraq war vote. if he wanted to say look at her judgment on the iraq war vote and here. her boss, the president of the united states recommended that people not do this. that they keep it internally. maria is right. we would be analyzing her e-mails if shy was secretary of state. if she put them on the government server, we would have been analyzing them months ago because they would have been available to the state department the whole time. >> the same thing would have been an issue. >> months ago. not three days before iowa votes. >> if she had used the government server, never used a private server and handed these e-mails over, the classification after the fact would still be an issue. >> the fact she chose to do this on her private server, again, to
michael's point, it does get to this untrustworthiness that the rules don't apply. >> that's why she said she made a mistake. >> charges in this type of case always cut hardest when it fits a pre-existing narrative. and there's a narrative of the clintons. >> why go speak at goldman sachs for $600,000? is she so in need of money that she's -- she knows she's going to run for president. she knows this is going to be an issue. what's that about? >> i think also -- >> i mean -- no, i just don't understand. it just seems like a weird judgment. these 24 odd judgment calls on her part that seem -- that play directly into this untrustworthy narrative. >> if you look at the voters she's trying to reach which are primary democratic voters, they'll see this e-mail brouhaha as a partisan witch hunt and that's what the campaign is looking at. >> unless -- >> not a lot of democratic voters --
>> one at a time. but a partisan witchhunt, but unless the fbi comes forward and suggests -- >> well, i think we're getting way ahead of ourselves. >> the fbi is -- the fbi is a law enforcement inquiry on this. this is not -- i mean, you can make the argument until you are blue in the face about it being partisan. when every single time people start to get information about this, it's about a law enforcement inquiry or a judge ordering the release of the e-mails. >> the rules don't apply argument as well that i think works well with those sanders voters. that is what his argument is of vis-a-vis hillary clinton. hillary clinton and the elite can play by their own rules and get away with it. >> bernie sanders doesn't have to bring this up. it's happening on his own. he doesn't have to look like he's using it to his political advantage and alienating -- >> best of both worlds. by saying -- >> if your opponent is about to
commit suicide, whatever you do, don't murder him. >> the partisan piece is not about -- because you're right. it is the state department, the obama administration. but it's the selective leaks coming from people on the hill who have seen these and who know that this will be damaging to her. >> the wall street point is a very good one, too. and that's because she didn't get back to represent arkansas in the senate. she went to new york and the business there like corn in iowa is financial services. that's her world. if she's fighting this primary on who is tougher on wall street, she can't win that fight. she has to -- >> to me, the speech is interesting. at cnn we have rules about who we can speak in front of. we would not be able to speak in front of goalsmldman sachs or a company in order to -- >> can i just -- >> but she's -- but journalists who might report on a financial company, she actually might
oversee regulation for financial company but has no problem taking money from them? >> but hasn't kept her from regulating them and from trying to pass legislation that will actually protect consumers. >> we don't really know what impact -- >> in talking to a senior clinton adviser today, there was also this, we are blaming the inspector general of the intelligence community because this person is going after us. and it kind of brought back to me the old enemies thing. >> this is not ken starr. that's not going to work. >> this is a democrat -- somebody appointed by barack obama. they say he was part of an investigation into her when she was a senator and there was some fund-raising issues. so they feel that he is politically motivated. >> we've got to take a break. we're going to continue the conversation. we're on for two hours tonight. a lot ahead. did donald trump's debate boycott pay off? he certainly thinks so. that's not all he's saying. later, my conversation with
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donald trump says he made the right choice boycotting last night's debate. 12.5 million people watched. a big number but still the second lowest of the campaign. according to trump, a win for trump. >> i did something that was very risky, and i think it turned out great. i'm on the front page of every paper. >> he campaigned today in new hampshire, not iowa where the front page of the des moines register declared ted cruz the debate's big loser. it had ail the appearances of a victory lap which he interrupted to talk about paul steinhauser, former political director and anchor at new hampshire one news. it got its first national air here. clearly he thinks last night paid off for him. >> he sure did. he was pretty darn tired. i asked him how much sleep did he get? he flew in and did the one event
in nashua and then flew back to iowa. i asked him right off the bat about ted cruz. take a listen. with you not there at the fox debate, your main rival in iowa, ted cruz, he was getting pummelled from left and right. was this by design? did you think about this all along? >> a lot of things have happened since then and you saw the result. he got very badly hurt. and he's going down. ted cruz is going down. plus the canada problem. a huge problem. that problem with canada. whether or not he can even run. i think he cannot run. we'll have to see what happens. >> it wasn't by design? >> i'd like to tell you it was by design. maybe it was by instinct. it wasn't good for him and for a couple of the other folks. in the meantime, i had my forum and tremendous numbers of veterans and we raised $6 million and it was a good night for us. >> would you say in any way that fox news did win? megyn kelly was the moderator
and they did not give you the $5 million for charity? >> i never asked that megyn be taken off. i don't care about megan kelley. i don't think she's very good at what she does, but i never asked for that p. i wanted $5 million for the vets. the vets have been mistreated. the networks have plenty of money. i said $5 million for the vets. when they didn't do it, i went out and raised $6 million for the vets. >> there's another republican debate here in eight days. are you going to be going to that debate? >> i think i will be. i look forward to the debates. as you know and as everybody is saying, i won every single debate. every online poll has me winning the debates. i do like doing the debates. and i will be here. i love this place. i have special friends. i'm doing really well here. the polls just came out. i'm doing really well here. i will be in new hampshire doing the debates. >> do you feel like you were mocked at all by ted cruz and
some of your other rivals? >> no, i didn't even watch the whole debate. i'm going to watch it later. but, no, not at all. look it was great for me. it was great for the vets that i didn't do it. we got more money than fox would have paid. >> there's a guy here, a tattoo artist. he's given away free tattoos for people that want your logo or photo on their body. his business is good from what i hear? >> he's a trump fan? he's -- maybe i'll have to have a tattoo for the first time in my life. maybe not, though. >> thank you, mr. trump. >> a couple of things. he admitted he asked fox news for that $5 million charity which he didn't do last night in that great interview brianna keilar did. he took every opportunity to mention the $6 million for the vets. and he said, yeah, i will be at that debate coming up eight nights from now in new hampshire. what do you think? i can't see donald trump getting a tattoo. >> i don't think that's going to happen. while you were asking that question, he was like, where is
this going? oh, he's a trump fan. okay. good. but another thing he said that was really interesting about, maybe it wasn't by design but by instinct. i think -- and "the wall street journal" did a good job a couple of days ago showing how he makes decisions. it does seem -- i think his instincts are remarkably attune to certainly his supporters and what they want to hear and what they are willing to hear and where they are willing to go. trump may be the only gop candidate campaigning in new hampshire today. but come monday that's going to be a different story. >> it is. and that's interesting. john kasich will be here all weekend campaigning here. he'll be here on caucus day. also jeb bush n chris christie start monday in iowa. when iowans go to caucus, they'll be here. caucus and bush, it's about new hampshire, not iowa. >> paul, thank you. ted cruz makes his fif th campaign appearance of the day soon. sunlen serfaty joins us from des
moines. the reviews of senator cruz's debate performance have not been great. has the campaign acknowledged that today on the trail? >> it's interesting. they are really trying to put a brave face on this. really trying to downplay the rough night that ted cruz had last night. trying to cast it aside. but it's very clear that he did have a rough night and he's trying to recover from that today and as part of that strategy to recovery, he really went on the offense on marco rubio. really went after him. much harder than we've seen before on immigration. but the cruz campaign saying, no, this wasn't a rough night. saying that he had a solid debate performance and sticking to his trail rhetoric going after marco rubio. they are investing much more money going after marco rubio, redirecting him, from attacking donald trump to rubio. this is likely what we'll continue to see from him on the
campaign trail. >> he's got an event coming up in an hour. do we know what to expect? >> he does. likely what we'll see from him is what his campaign manager told me today. all about this closing message. all about making contrast. we saw that today with marco rubio. with donald trump, trump being a big dominant part of his closing message to voters saying that, if you want to stop donald trump if you want to prevent him becoming this runaway train out there, then you have to vote here in iowa and stop him. that's a key part of the cruz campaign message going forward. something i suspect that we'll hear from him later tonight. >> donald trump called cruz today an anchor baby in canada. did the cruz campaign respond to that? >> they did. this was certainly an escalation in donald trump's rhetoric on this issue, of course, laying into ted cruz's eligibility issue to be president. the cruz campaign wasted no time responding. the campaign spokeswoman coming
out with a statement saying, quote, the only anchor here is the one being dragged behind the ss new york values causing donald trump's campaign to stall out as they learn about his affinity for hillary clinton and the previous statement supporting abortion. we are seeing some signs that these attacks by donald trump over cruz's eligibility are working. a voter last week bringing this up directly to ted cruz at a town hall. also some polls indicating there is some message that's getting to voters and really influencing them there. so this sort of challenge by trump seems to be working with some here. >> anchor dragging behind the "ss new york values"? i think they have to work on the wording of that. doesn't roll off the tongue. sunlen serfaty, thanks. some say it's been a tough 24 hours for ted cruz. marco rubio targeted him at last night's debate, and donald trump renewed those arguments today. will it make a difference in the final push to the iowa caucuses?
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debate holding his own event to benefit veterans. he insists what he did is nothing like in 2011 when mr. trump cried foul. here's what he told cbs news. >> in 2011 you were going to participate in a newsmax debate and said of the republicans who weren't going to show, we report seeing a lot of courage here. these republicans are supposed to be brave. why can't that be said about you? >> they should have. there was no reason. i was doing the moderation. they asked me, the owner is a friend of mine. he said would you do it? i said i've never done it before. >> what about the bravery charge. >> here's the difference. i was treated very unfairly by box. they weren't treated badly. i was treated very badly by fox. they issued a statement that was an inappropriate statement. since then they've been nice and tried to get me to do it. by then my counterevent had taken off. it was amazing.
>> what about this charge, though. it's a press release. if you -- you were offended, but isn't that -- aren't you being a little too politically correct? >> i went out and raised $6 million for vets. >> mr. trump released a list of 22 veterans groups that will share the money raised last night. he spent today campaigning in new hampshire slamming ted cruz's debate performance. back with our panel. it's interesting hearing donald trump being accused of being too politically correct essentially by dickerson there. this is the guy who prides himself on not being politically correct. >> and on being the strength in this campaign. the reason he's skyrocketed is we don't have an ideological republican primary. it's not who is going to cut taxes more, shrink government more. who is stronger, tougher, the anti-obama, if you will. no gray or nuance. i'm going to make decisions and people are going to listen to me. this was a big turn-about. the tough guy walked away. he's saying he did it for the right reasons.
his opponents are trying to say he's not so tough afterall. every time trump has done stuff we find contrarian, it's worked to his advantage. >> i think his instincts are pretty extraordinary. whether it was by design or instinct not to go to that thing but to have everybody ganging up on cruz essentially and effective in hurting cruz. >> often time you can judge the winners and losers on what the atomized found bites are that come out of it and what the headlines look like he next day. if you looked across iowa, the headlines were very bad for ted cruz at a crucial time. and donald trump had equal billing. he's sitting there on the front page of all the newspapers across iowa saying trump raises money for veterans. in that sense it really did play to his advantage. >> you are right, anderson. he is an instinctual guteral animal for these times. so far has been incredibly successful. the reason why i don't think the charge of his being afraid or
his not wanting to go because he was afraid of tough questions is going to stick is because who has done more interviews with more media outlets? >> harder to land that punch. >> than anybody else. and also, i think he can also make the point that, look, fox news thinks that they can do whatever they want. they have now become part of the establishment because of what he's done? it's pretty incredible. supporters are responding to that. >> this is his superpower as a candidate. the ability to drill the exposed nerve on his opponents in a way that dominates the next news cycle. it's a tremendous talent. he's proposing a fundamental revision at the heart of the republican party. force the expulsion of 11 million people. the exclusion by religious belief. this is a major reorientation of the republican party in a way that would cause a crisis of identity. >> it can cause people to split off of the party.
this has huge content to it. but he's doing that at the same time he's saying that ted cruz is an anchor baby. so there's this kind of great dichotomy because on the one hand, he is splitting up the republican party. he's dividing a republican party and a civil war in the republican party. he's leading one faction of on, we think, although i'm not quite sure which one it is. and on the other hand, he's calling ted cruz names because he's a fighter and understands that cruz needs to win. >> i know which side it is. it's much more comparable to a european right wing anti-immigrant population. it does not come out of the republican -- >> so why -- >> all of you have worked with presidential candidates. michael, with president bush. i go back to this "wall street journal" article i found fascinating. the reporter spent three days with him watching him as he made
decisions. she was with him and he decided in his plane sitting by himself, his adviser is in the other room after reading polls and looking at television coverage to, he said, you know, cruz has been -- cruz has been riding high in the polls too long in iowa. we're going to take him down and came up with this canada thing. it was this instinctual gut level thing. it wasn't after a big meeting. is that rare for a presidential candidate? >> it's incredibly rare. >> to make those decisions with the gut? >> it's rare and the question that the test that this is going to undergo is whether you can actually win the presidency with it. >> and can you be president doing that? >> john used the analogy last night. a scrambling quarterback every once in a while can make some amazing plays and shows up on espn the next day with the highlights. is that how you want to run a country? is that how you can run a party? particularly when parties at the heart of organizations. the organizations of that are designed around ideas. this is a candidacy that is only
organized around an individual and his ego. and that is where i think as michael is right, the danger for the party is and the country lies. >> if he does become president, let's say, i mean, i don't know of any other candidate who watches as much television. you'll be doing an interview and he's tweeting about what's going on. >> don't care about megyn kelly and then tweet about her at 3:00 in the morning. he's constantly on top of this. if he wins this way, it will be an entirely new way to win the presidency. >> as president, can he be watching television and reading the polls and tweeting like this, or does -- >> lyndon johnson did. watched television and -- i don't know if it leads to -- >> you have to relearn -- you have to relearn -- >> he's rewritten the rules but i think these rules right now only apply to him. i don't think anybody that we know right now could get away with what he's done. >> and he talks about this in
the deal. this is his way. you have to be fast and loose. you can't have a whole lot of structure. he doesn't pack his day with a lot of meetings. could he unlearn that as president or if he could be effective as president being this improvisational president. we'll have more from our panel. it's fascinating times. a very busy night. three campaign events under way or just wrapping up. jeb bush, marco rubio, the entire clinton family. donald trump has been lining up support from all corners of iowa. will his strategy bring people out on caucus night. how trump is rewriting the ground rules of the game, next.
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the iowa caucuses are just three days away. turnout is key and the weather may not cooperate. generally only about 20% of registered voters actually show up on caucus night. this is already an election year like none other. now the question is will donald trump's ground swell of support in iowa turn into actual votes. john king reports. >> reporter: it is iowa's defining question. they'll wait hours in the cold to hear him speak. will they do what it takes to
deliver victory monday night? >> any questions about the caucus? where to go to is everyone a registered republican already? >> reporter: these are the forms needed to register to vote or switch to republican on caucus night. >> if you are an independent, it's okay. we'll take you. >> reporter: donald trump is rewriting the iowa rule book. >> i'm totally pro-ethanol. >> reporter: big rallies and a coalition that spans the ideological spectrum. christian conservatives, moderates, independents, and political newcomers by the dozens. people like shane bowman who not only plans to caucus for the first time but is organizing for trump in denver, iowa, and plans to deliver a speech at his local precinct. >> can't stop. can't quit. got to keep going, until the end. >> reporter: he's learned to filter the trump rhetoric his wife finds obnoxious. >> he's not like verbally correct on things, you know. banning all muslims from the united states. i read that between the lines
and, i understand where you're coming from. i like your point. he didn't come across perfect, but i understand him. >> reporter: to drive iowa is to find trump support everywhere. >> i'm actually volunteering for the marco rubio campaign. >> reporter: this is a marco rubio office in cedar rapids and this a jeb bush phone bank in des moines. both areas were mitt romney strongholds four years ago. as rubio and bush fight for supporters, they find plenty of trump supporters. steve grubs is rand paul's strategist this cycle. those who doubt trump's iowa team dont know them. >> trump's got good people in iowa working. so i trust that they are doing the ground work that they need to do. >> reporter: at marion avenue baptist church is in one of the rural areas vital to ted cruz. the cruz backer, pastor joseph brown, says he's exasperated at
trump's success with conservative christians. >> donald trump has not had a life transformation moment. he has had an idea to become the president of the united states of america. >> reporter: proun leads a network of nearly 200 pastors imploring to do more to highlight trump's past scupport of abortion and gay rights. >> he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. >> reporter: it's too late to sway carter's family. >> loved the apprentice. >> reporter: his first vote will be for donald trump monday night. >> we need a president to run this country like a business. and who better than a very successful businessman. >> reporter: carter, high school basketball player, is the state leader of students for trump, another key piece of the trump iowa coalition. >> i'm the caucus leader in my county. and there is a movement going
on. we have many, many students coming to caucus for the first time. teachers say all the time that they've never heard so many students talk about an election before. >> reporter: trump dominates the talk here. now the test. do the faces and feet that made this a caucus cam pawn like no other line up one more time monday night? >> was that a button saying hot chicks for trump? >> it was. >> okay. lots of variety. >> whatever you want, you can get. >> that is really the question. will those people who are lining up, will they go to caucus on monday night? >> this was my biggest question. they have every intention of coming. they have professionals, veterans of the steve forbes and rick santorum campaign. the guy running his campaign was santorum's director. kevin can tell you what that felt like caucus night. they have some trained professionals. then people like you saw in the piece who have never done this before. young kids, older people. never participated in a caucus.
they love donald trump. they are organizing. can they put that together? it's unorthodox. a mix of data and newcomers. can they put it together? it will make the difference. if you look at this polling, and i've been looking at this private polling. if you run a model with those new voters, donald trump is a little ahead of ted cruz. if you take those new voters out and get back into a traditional environment, somewhere in the ballpark of 130,000 people or so, then ted cruz wins quite handily and donald trump slips to 20% and in a traditional scenario, marco rubio is testing and challenging donald trump for second place. >> what time do we get an answer monday night or tuesday morning. >> if the results are late because the caucuses start late because you have so many people lined up. as long as they are in line by 7:00, they have to wait and get them in. if we know there's a lot of new voters and we're waiting a while, that may be a good sign for trump. republican caucuses tend to go
pretty quickly. you don't have the rules the republicans have. 8:00 in the east. we'll start getting some results around 8:30 in the east. if you remember last time, romney was ahead. santorum came up. >> i'm scheduled until 2:00 a.m. >> if it's longer than that. >> the next three days in iowa will not be dull. get the sharpest look from john on "inside politics" sunday morning, 8:00 a.m. on cnn. just ahead tonight, i'm going to talk with donald trump's harshest critics, glenn beck. in his words, donald trump say wildly vindictive bully who is all about himself. also a theory about why trump has been so rough on megyn kelly. he's obviously a ted cruz supporter. the conversation with glenn beck when we come back. times and bad. through good for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments
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donald trump's rivals and many other republicans accuse him of not being a true conserve tough. glenn beck was one of 22 conservatives who contributed to a special edition of "the national review" called against trump. he wrote that mr. trump was, a crisis for conservativism and gave a laundry list of reasons why. this week glenn beck endorsed ted cruz. it's the first time he's endorsed a presidential ca candida candidate. i talked to glenn about all of this. glenn, thank you for joining us. i want to read part of something you wrote on facebook. you wrote i've had more than one medical professional warn me
that donald trump is a pathological narcissistic sociopath and i warn you with as much kwuction as i warned in 1999 about osama bin laden attacking new york city. people on the right laughed at me. i thought the whole facebook post was interesting. you tried to analyze donald trump's strategy in going after fox, going after megyn kelly. but just on the sociopath thing, i mean, do you really believe that? what is it that makes -- that you think makes him different as a person, as a candidate? >> this is not about donald trump. this is something that you can easily see throughout history. and what i was on fox, i talked about a pendulum. i said barack obama has pulled this pendulum as far to the right as you possibly can and emboldened the executive power. and i said warning to both the democrats and the republicans. at some point that power swings back and it will swing back just as far and at some point, the
farther you bring it back, somebody will grab it in a time of crisis and say just stay here. and you don't want that. and i warned there were people like father coughlin in the 1930s that was a very dangerous guy who spoke to the economic despair, spoke to the anger, spoke to the fear. these demagogues come along. unless they are rooted in the constitution, they can become very dangerous. >> you don't believe he is. you don't believe he's truly rooted in -- at the very least in the constitution. he's really rooted essentially -- >> have you ever heard -- >> -- in himself? >> he saul about himself. i went back and looked at his speeches. i wanted to be sure. he doesn't say we're going to make america great. he says i'll make america great. i'll fix this. nobody makes america great. it's the people that make america great. he also talks about how the
problem isn't the government itself. he says it's the stupid people in it. he talks about executive orders. he says the problem is the president has just done dumb executive orders. i'll do smart ones. he never talks about the constitution and when he does, he says, oh, well, that land, you know, we can pull that land for a casino. it's no big deal. it's better than these people living like pigs. it's not his decision. >> you also write about his use of the media and his -- frankly, his skill at it. that essentially you kind of wrote, and i don't want to misquote you, but that he compliments first and then -- which sort of makes reporters feel gratified, but then if you ask something he doesn't like he attacks. he waits for you then to apologize. he gives you an opportunity to kind of be welcomed back into the fold.
and if you don't, then you are banished and he goes after you like megyn kelly. >> right. he's wildly vindictive. going after megyn kelly. i think there are two really great news people. megyn kelly did a great job at the debate. you have done the best job of, i think, anybody on the debates. you are great at the debates. megyn kelly say seasoned journalist. she's not a clown by any stretch of the imagination. i think megyn kelly asked a fair question. look, you've got some things that you have said about women that, you know, can you explain some of these things? how do you expect to be a guy that's going to be looked well by decent women when you've said certain things? i'm not going to repeat on cnn. so she asked that fair question. well, now it's been five months. he hasn't let that go. what's happening with megyn kelly is, if you watch fox, a
lot of their hosts are kissing donald trump's butt. they're slobbering all over him. but megyn kelly is not. so it doesn't matter that he's got several people who slobber over him. some people who are neutral. and megyn who asks tough questions. he's making a point. all bullies do the same thing. they find the strongest of the pack. they find the megyn kelly of fox or anderson cooper of cnn and teach them a lesson because that means -- everybody else who is not as strong, if megyn kelly gets in trouble, if megyn kelly can't stand it, i certainly can't. he's teaching everyone a lesson. don't mess with me. >> i talked to glenn more about why he endorsed ted cruz. part two is coming up later in the broadcast. plus, the state department has released another big batch of hillary clinton's e-mails from her time as secretary of state. we're digging through them as we speak. what we're find, we'll let your
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