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of ac 360. >> good evening to you. the candidates have been working hard all evening. donald trump in sioux city, all holding events tonight. same for the democrats that just agreed to appear in a cnn town hall with me wednesday night in new hampshire. hillary clinton, bernie sanders with competing rallies right now in des moines. all the candidates campaigning like there is no tomorrow because for some candidates tomorrow could be the beginning of the end. tonight we'll bring you their closing pitches before iowa voters go and caucus. talk about all the factors that could move those numbers from precinct capitals to mother
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nature itself. any or all of it could help propel two candidates toward the white house and send the rest packing. a lot to get to starting with the trump event in sioux city. has trump done anything different tonight to try to win over last minute voters? >> i'd say anderson this is something -- i covered four campaigns in a row now that you don't see often the night before the iowa caucus. the only way i can describe this is late night with jerry fallwell jr. the president of liberty university is on stage now and interviewing donald trump asking him questions about what he would do about a variety of topics. at one point during the program they handed out a check to a local veteran's group. this is money that was raised by the donald trump campaign a few days ago when he decided to skip that debate at fox news. it's not often when you see a presidential candidate handing out big checks before the iowa caucus and this is one unorthodoxed campaign. >> trump tempered his language in iowa a little bit earlier
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today. didn't he? >> a little bit, yes. he was asked to -- yeah, he was asked are you going to win iowa? and he said you know what maybe we won't win iowa and just a few moments ago here in sioux city he said maybe it won't workout that i'll win iowa and he said if we do we're going to run the table. so they are feeling very confident inside the trump campaign if you look at that des moines register poll. you know, his support is rock solid. 71% saying they made up their minds. the nearest candidate in that regard is ted cruz. and this is the same poll that foreshadowed that rick santorum surge two years ago so they have a lot to feel good about and they're deploying every weapon in the trump arsenal. the trump sons were on the trail today. three of them were at the famed pizza ranches of iowa politicking so they're pulling out all the stops. >> all right. thank you.
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donald trump has jerry fallwell to help. ted cruz can call in the support of phil robertson. as well as a mailer that the campaign sent out prompting iowa's top election official to denounce it. so ted cruz's closing argument, what is it sounding like tonight? >> it's four words anderson. don't roll the dice. you're hearing don't roll the dice toward evangelicals on donald trump. somebody that made a good show of it but perhaps doesn't have the history both on political positions and ideology. don't roll the dice on marco rubio. somebody with an immigration pass that doesn't track with what ted cruz is pushing over the last couple of months. what you have seen, particularly in the des moines register poll, ted cruz lost momentum here. he is been bleeding down 12 points we van gith evangelicals. the push has been to try to bring them into the fold and undercut donald trump a little bit and focus on cutting out any
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support. >> what about this mailer sent out by the cruz campaign? what did it say? >> people were opening their mailboxes and seeing what looked like an official document in a red bold box saying voter violation on it and having grades. f, d, and c. what this was was mepaid for by the cruz campaign. this is used for years but on the seedy side of politics. the iowa secretary of state said it was very much not in the spirit of what the iowa caucuses is about. it's to shame voters to make them turn out. ted cruz says he's not going to apologize for trying to boost turn out for his team. you're seeing the ted cruz ground operation. what most campaigns say is the best in the state. trying to get every possible voter to come out no matter the
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tactics it takes to get them there. >> now the best panel in politics and probably the longest on television, joining us on the panel. former top obama advisor david axel rod. john king. also former obama advisor. paul is an advisor to big pro clinton super pact. not a trump supporter. jeffrey is. also white house political director during the reagan administration. david, you have been -- >> i'm exhausted. >> i know. david you have been on the ground in iowa with the candidate 8 years ago. how accurate. how much do the campaigns know about what's going to happen tomorrow night? >> you don't know. you know what you can know which is you know who is giving you commitments. you know what number you can bring out. you don't know whether that number is going to be sufficient so the big history is turn out and both of these races and cruz
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is hoping that the turn out is manageable and the count he has will suffice. and that's for sure until tomorrow night. >> our first clue will come about an hour before the caucuses. you have to be ready to get in the door at 7:00 local. show up at 5:30 or 6:00 and see if there's a line. are they there just to get in or are a lot of people to change their registration. that will tell you in the democratic and the republican sides if you have a trump and a sanders crowd. one of the things interesting about the last poll, they have a very good record and the poll projects a relatively average number of good voters. if that's the case that's a bad night for donald trump and bernie sanders. you have new people decided to play for the first time but not
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a high number. also projects in the last poll a shrinking in the percentage of people that are evangelicals. a significant shrinkage from four years ago. if they have the electorate right. even though trump leads i could see a victory. >> you have so many candidates trying to appeal to evangelicals. is it less people calling themselves evangelicals. >> are you likely to vote? that's the model they ran. that's where she came out. running her model and taking the calls and weighing it for the population. that's her model and she knows it's better than any pollster in the country. however she would concede to you that there's variables in the end. if that number is higher it's a better night for cruz. if it stays where it is it problem helps trump and marco rubio. >> the surge of all surges was obama's in 2008 when 57% of democrats said they had not
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caucused before. >> this number is 34. >> exactly. >> and for republicans it's 40%. so i think so far at least anybody can go to a caucus, sign up, decide what they want to do. we all know that, but the early signs are that you're not going to have anything like the surge we saw. >> to john's point and to your point, we knew before the caucuses even began that we were in really good shape because there were lines pouring out into the street before those caucus places open. nothing in this data suggests we're going to see something approaching that except in the college towns where there's such great enthusiasm for bernie sanders. >> does your data show it though? did you know in advance that you were going to have those lines? >> we had an ambitious number that we felt confident about but we didn't know -- the turn out was, you know, toward 240,000 people which was twice as much as the four years earlier so nobody anticipating that.
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>> and partly it was because it was so early in the calendar year, right? january so all of those college students were hope in different towns across iowa so they were able to fan out all across iowa in a way that they're not home this year because it's late in a calendar. it's bernie sanders and talked about back to their home counts but that's never been a very good model. >> ted cruz no longer that he's going to come in third. and it's whether or not he actually believes he should down play or not i don't know. >> i think he's got it exactly right. if he loses, they go on and this will fade into the rear-view mirror quickly. if he wins this is the start of a tank rolling through the primaries so we will see.
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i know who lost. every political expert has lost. >> except for this one. >> but, you know, i remember when bernie sanders threw his hat in the ring that the people that didn't yawn laughed. and he got destroyed by the clinton machine. maybe he would get 5%. maybe he would get 10% but the idea we're sitting here right now we can't tell if the clinton machine can take out bernie sanders. every political expert on both sides. six months ago would have said no way. >> in fairness. >> i think bernie sanders has run a spectacular campaign. i wouldn't take it away from him but iowa is a peculiar place. you can say how could he be fighting in this battle with this 72-year-old socialist. a lot of people that go to those
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caucuses are 72-year-old socialists. >> we'll get an indication of how valuable or accurate these polls are. these are people that answer phone calls to talk to pollsters and i'm not sure how accurate that's going to shake out to be for someone like trump who has been leading in these polls. and we'll have the first indication tomorrow of how the rest of the map is going to look. if we can use these polls or if we have a new wave of voters, millennials, 20 to 30 people age 30 to 40 that don't even have landline phones can't be polled so i think that that will be useful for people like us who have been wrong. >> free society. that's great. free speech, great. >> i second that. >> it's a bunch of garbage. >> here's one. >> if you look at the assumptions imbedded in a poll
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there was a poll of iowa democratic caucus goers that suggested 300,000 people would show up. the average was 140. barrack obama blew out 240. somebody got paid for that poll. god bless her or him. the thing that has struck me is looking as david pointed out that gold standard poll in the des moines register. it said something else. hilary's people were just on a force to march. they were only for her. it was like a soviet grocery store. there's only one product and you have to buy it and bernie was the candidate of passion and emotion. guess what, in the iowa poll from the des moines register, hilary supporters are more passionate to support her just outside the margin of error. hilary supporters are happier with her than bernies with him. we ought not fall victim to the stale analysis. >> what's interesting is she has done what she didn't do in 2008.
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she has gone to the small towns and gone to living rooms and gone one-on-one. >> she is taking iowa seriously. >> bernie sanders has held rallies and hawes not done that person to person campaign. she's better than that than the big rally. >> i asked him about it. why don't you shake hands with the people that come at you. he says because i have to rush to the next rally. >> bernie had to show that he was viable. hilary had to show that she was accessible. >> the great thing about the caucus environment though that most states don't get and most people don't understand if you don't go and see one is its not an all day voting. you have to show up at one time so the stories like the clinton people 8 years ago when they think they hit their number to david's point, x number of people are going to vote. to win in this precinct we need this. we have our number and more than our number and we thought it was great and they walked in the community centers and they went uh-oh because they saw the obama
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people across the room. the clinton people volunteering for her now, they came earlier and they stayed later. we have to take a short break. coming up next, it will not be a landslide tomorrow. the impact in the forecast when we come back and later we'll dig deeper into the polling in what is shaping up in a three way gop race. is ted cruz losing momentum at the wrong time or the right time depending on which side of the aisle you're on and we touched on this earlier. why the clinton sanders race is closer than many believed it would be. we'll take a look at the role that many believe is playing among iowa democrats in particular. ♪
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win to caucus tomorrow night which could mean going out in a blizzard. the two big headlines could be caucuses begin and blizzard hits. the latest on what could be a major storms. what kind of weather do caucus goers have to deal with tomorrow? >> it will be more interesting for the western counts. those western presinks. the storm will be moving quickly. dumping several feet of snow in the central and southern rock s rockies. red is blizzard warning and
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that's in kansas nebraska. in yellow it's a blizzard watch. in a matter of hours this is going to turn red. it's not covered in here. and the thousands of journalists there from around the u.s. and the world may have to wait a day to get out but it looks like the timing is interesting. it looked like a tuesday event and tuesday event only but now the timing brings it up sooner. everything in purple is a good 7 to 12 inches and we have over a foot in some areas in pink. when you look at some of the models they creep it in a little earlier and a little earlier. this is 11:00 p.m. at night when some caucus goers are still out obviously. that's a good swath of snow. if we give you a time line, the western precincts, we believe
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the snow could start at 6:00 p.m.. 7:00 or 8:00, a couple of inches on the ground and when the wind kicks up that could enough to strike fear in some of the older and elderly caucus goeers not knowing what to expect when they leave the caucus. we know what blizzard conditions can do in iowa. >> one factor to consider. weather or no weather you can get a read on how candidates are doing by looking at a few places across the state. they're the keys to winning the caucuses. and tomorrow night they're always the specialty of inside politics anchor john king that joins us to break it down by the numbers starting on the republican side. >> let's start with quickly reviewing the final numbers in the des moines register poll. donald trump at 28. ted cruz at 23. marco rubio at 15. it seems like a three man race at the top. don't forget the people down below. the candidates in the second and third tier of the race. by this time tomorrow night, thank the good lord, people will be voting and we'll get the
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results and we can start to fill in the map here with the actual votes. let's go back to 2012. rick santorum won by just a couple of dozen votes. look at all this brown. that's rick santorum. you can see how much of this he won. you would think a guy that won so many counts in the state would have run up the score. would have won big. he didn't because these are small rural counts. look how many votes. a couple hundred votes. 300, 500, 800. mitt romney is able to be in a virtual tie because he wanted the population centers in the des moines area and cedar rapids area and up here. so the main point is can donald trump succeed on the romney map? you see all the red on this map. this is the success that mitt romney had. donald trump needs to succeed on the romney map where he faces competition for marco rubio and jeb bush. marco rubio needs to succeed if he's going to make a strong showing and watch these areas
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tomorrow night. all of this brown that was rick santorum four years ago. the green was mike huckabee 8 years ago. the way to win the caucus is to run up the score in the small rural counts. to offset the establishment. romney wins in the suburbs. rubio wants to win in the suburbs. trump needs to perform strongly in the suburbs. if you're ted cruz you need a map like this. you need the huckabee map or the santorum map. a lot of donald trump red in this part of the state that's trouble for ted cruz. where is donald trump right now? he's in sioux city. what is he trying to do? make in roads in the western part of the state. our map is blank. as we fill it in tomorrow night, go online. pull up 2012 or 2008 republican map and make comparisons you'll have clues as this fills in tomorrow night. who has strength and who is
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underperforming. >> john king thank you very much. i want to bring in our panel. you know, it's interesting we hear so much about ground game. do we know much about whose ground game on the gop side truly is the best? >> you hear a lot about how good ted cruz's is. ted has built this from the ground up. he's from texas. it's too big of a state. there's two different time zones and 19 media markets but he has adopted to the person to person and frankly church to church campaigning that's so important. >> particularly reaching out to pastors. >> absolutely. >> his senate race, he won his senate race doing this kind of thing. he was by far -- he was by far the underdog in that primary race and he came from behind and won. >> and all the tech people who are -- the data geeks are really impressed with ted cruz on that. that he's the more data driven of all the republican candidates. we're going to see if that tech enabled ground game can deal with the air force.
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you've got basically a major air war being launched by trump. >> it is interesting that trump really doubled down in all iowa. he would have been forgiven. a lot of people thought he was going to abandon iowa and focus on new hampshire where he is leading in the polgs. he decided we're going to try to win this. >> his strategy is compete everywhere and try to win everywhere. >> when he saw the first couple of months ago. the first time he started leading he said why am i going to write off iowa? so he started to if he cuss. there's two potential advantages i think trump might have going into iowa that i'll be looking for. one, republican caucuses you're not -- voters are not given a ballot with a bunch of names. in some cases they're given a blank piece of paper and you can write anyone's name down. well a lot of iowa caucus goers are very informed but if you have only marginally been paying
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attention, trump's name is big. you might write that name down and ignore the rest. the other thing is democrat can go switch their voter registration and vote for trump. i don't think you're going to see a lot of republicans going to democratic caucuses to voting for hillary clinton or bernie sanders. you might see some democrats going to republican caucuses and switching registration and voting for trump. if those two advantages workout for donald trump he could do well. >> i think what we have seen in this des moines register poll is that trump has some issues here. he has a huge gender gap even among women that self-identify as evangelicals he has a gender gap. 50% -- 56% of caucus goers don't like the fact that he supports what's called imminent domain which means the government can seize your property if he needs to. and they don't like the fact that he was once pro choice and
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these things are the beginning i think of a narrative that cruz has been driving that could have some effect moving on. >> cruz has been hammering in commercials recently. >> not as much as he should in some ways. that's one of the issues here. did people wait to attack donald trump too late? even ted cruz is training his fire much more on marco rubio than donald trump. he's also advantaged by the fact that mike huckabee is still in the race. ben carson. rick santorum is in this race. they all have rather good ground games and certainly high name i.d. and they'll eat into that home schooling evangelical crowd. >> one of the most telling numbers in this poll is if you ran ted cruz against donald trump in iowa, trump would lose by 18 points. so that tells you that trump has the ceiling but he's benefitting
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from this divided field. >> trump has been running a lot of television commercials in the last couple of days. >> trump is ramping up the ads but everybody is ramping up the ads. marco rubio is running a lot of nice guys that like me ad and other people are dumping on ted cruz. some people are dumping on do donald trump. people peel off the other guys. it's important to go through a couple of things. first let's go back to 2012. we don't have ron paul in this race. he got 21% and ran a very strong third in iowa. the question is he's in iowa tonight campaigning for rand paul. can rand paul surprise in his campaign said they made 1.1 million phone calls. they will overperform their polling. if they do, a lot of those conservative tea party libber ta libbertarians are going to. here's jeb bush. now jeb bush is what, tiny single digits in the poll.
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but where is he campaigning? where is he seeking votes? on the romney ballot. jeb bush is most active in the same areas where marco rubio is most active and where donald trump needs to get votes. the population centers. the suburbs of des moines and cedar rapids and you have bush, rubio and trump in a three way competition from the mainline establishment votes. one other point if we come back to 2016 you also look to the point about carson you have ben carson and then you have two past iowa winners. down here, rick santorum and mike huckabee. here we go. it's hard to keep them all in a scroll. if santorum can repeat anywhere even if he's not winning counts and getting descent numbers in those counts he's keeping cruz's total down. i was up with huckabee last week, 18 people in the room. that's pretty depressing for a candidate that once won the state but if huckabee, santorum and carson can drain evangeli l
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evangelicals from ted cruz, the candidates way down ballot could have a huge impact on the guys up top. >> a lot to watch for tomorrow night. >> you should point out that unlike the democratic caucuses though there isn't a second choice option. it's not as if you have a second vote so this purely drains votes from probably cruz all these evangelical candidates and they're not going to support cruz as a second choice. >> everybody stick around. we have a lot more to talk about over the next 90 minutes. up next digging deeper into the democratic battle, hillary clinton and bernie sanders virtual tie and still campaigning into the night. for a limited time, check out our half off smartphone event. get one of our most popular smartphones, and get the second one at half price. hurry to t-mobile® and get new smartphones for your whole family today.
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>> robbie, thanks for being with us. obviously we all know hillary
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clinton lost to a candidate that was popular in 2008. are you concerned at all? is secretary clinton concerned of a repeat of that tomorrow? >> as we go around the state what we have been hearing again and again i was just out with our volunteers canvassing again. they're looking for a candidate that can get results. help them afford it. and and she sticks with it until she gets it and is going to deliver for people here in iowa and across the country. >> i can tell you this weekend i was in our field offices and knocking on doors. the enthusiasm is palpable. people are excited. they know that they're going to make history in this caucus and begin nominating the first woman nominee for a party and hopefully the first woman president but also picking
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someone who is going to go to the white house and fight hard and every single day. >> obviously you know on friday the state department reported the private server and we'll just play that for our viewers and ask you about it. >> let's just get it out. let's see what it is and let the american people draw their own conclusions. this is very much like benghazi. the republicans are going to continue to use it. beat up on me. i understand that. that's the way they are but after 11 hours of testimony answering every single question in public which i had requested for many months i think it's pretty clear that they're grasping at straws and this will turn out the same. >> is the secretary saying she believes there's a partisan motive behind the announcement of the e-mails? there's a lot of civil servants
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probably tasked with analyzing the e-mails that might have a problem with that. >> we've seen partisan republicans on the hill last year halled her in and subjected her to 11 hours of questioning about the benghazi incident. they ever found a single thing. so sure there's a lot of partisan motivation behind this but i'll tell you i was out this weekend talking to a lot of voters here in iowa and it didn't come up once. i think they're really focused on the issues that matter in this race. >> it did come up with bernie sanders that said that the e-mail issue is very serious on cnn today. is he wrong? >> i think what senator sanders has said in the past and i certainly agree with is that what the voters really care about in this election is how we help them in their daily lives and again and again these accusations have been thrown around. nothing has come up. the republicans are going after
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her because they know she will not only be effective in washington but she's our best chance to make sure that the white house stays in democratic hands. >> but that's bernie sanders saying it's very serious today. i know what he said about not caring about the e-mails but today she is saying it's very serious. do you think this is very serious? >> well, i will let senator sanders answer for himself. i was out this weekend here in iowa. we have been having events all week with thousands of people. this doesn't come up. what the voters here care about is affording health care. affording college. affording child care so i'm not hearing about it from the voters here. i think they take a lot of other issues much more seriously. >> i appreciate you being on. thank you very much. coming up in the next hour we'll talk to bernie sanders campaign manager. just ahead how the top republicans spent their day in iowa. all three campaigns in overdrive knocking on doors, making thousands of calls. doing everything they can to nail down votes.
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the campaign still going on tonight in iowa. live pictures there from the sanders event on the left. rand paul on the right. everybody campaigning hard. anything can happen. donald trump is leading ted cruz by just 5 points. marco rubio is in third place and iowa voters are looking to
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make up their minds. that's why their final hours of campaigning are considered crucial. all three campaigns are in overdrive. dana bash takes a look. >> this is the ted cruz campaign. >> hustle and bustle at ted cruz iowa headquaters accelerated to an all out frenzy to get out the vote. >> you can see this. there is obviously a lot of buzz here. >> we are definitely making a lot of calls, 27,000 calls yesterday. which is just -- it beats our record. >> cruz campaign aids boast about the size and scope of their operation. >> 2,500 doors yesterday out of this office alone. we have camp cruz where a lot of people are staying. two dorms. 830 plus people. >> when people check in they put a pen where they're from so we have people from california. obviously a lot from texas. a lot from iowa, missouri, florida, georgia, massachusetts,
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new york. >> still it's the candidate who has to close the deal. he did with some but james still isn't sold. >> are you still on the fence after hearing ted cruz? >> you know, i think i'm probably closer. >> but you're still not 100% sold. >> well, you know, i'm going to go listen to marco here in a little bit so. >> iowa congressman steve king is a veteran of the caucuses and fix to fixture on the trail with cruz. >> if the number goes above that donald trump has a shot. >> that's because trump is trying to turn out first time caucus goers. >> are you caucused before? >> no, this will be my first time. i'm really excited. i didn't think i'd do something like this but he got me charged up. >> he's a born again christian usually gone to candidates that talk her talk but not this time. >> right now we don't need a pastor, we don't need a sunday schoolteacher. we need someone who has the
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authority and the power and the guts to say what's on his mind. >> trump aids are some what secretive about their get out the vote operation but several iowans say the campaign is reaching out. the question will the celebrity candidate crowds translate to votes. it may with stephanie reagan. we talked to her before seeing trump. >> you're not sure if you're going to support him? >> right. between donald trump and ben carson. >> on the way out, all in for trump. >> after listening to him and thinking about everything he does he resembles the american dream. >> the marco rubio campaign. >> meanwhile at marco rubio headquaters, friends like former senator tim hutcheson flew in from arkansas to help. >> we'll be driving about an hour and a half out to one of the caucuses. >> i've been volunteering since before christmas. i made close to a thousand anyway. >> but now volunteers are
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keepikee keeping them to make sure that they show up. because that role will never change. >> i understand the trump campaign have been less forth coming about ground operations. do we know much about the final push to turn out voters. an that's because the trump campaign didn't want us or any media to come in because they want to keep it mysterious. the answer to your question is in talking to trump sources they do have a data driven campaign like ted cruz and others. they have been making calls over and over again and again i did find evidence of that. just talking to people that were at some trump rallies. but at the end of the day, we're still not exactly sure how many people they're touching and then retouching to make sure that they get to the caucuses and how much they're just depending on that good old fashioned vote
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they're worried about her parents and wealth in this country is going to the top 1%. >> talking about religion playing a major role especially outside the big cities. sioux county is known for picking the most conservative and religious candidates. randy went there to see what they are feeling. >> at the sioux county livestock company it's steaks and chops on the menu and politics in the air. who is going to caucus? some of you. >> every member of the family is still undecided.
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they like trump but aren't sure he's genuinely conservative. >> i wonder about his believes. how deep of a christian is he or is he saying that to win us over. he said that he never asked god for forgiveness. does that bother you? >> yeah. that would bother me. we're all sinners and he needs to ask just like the rest of us. that could be a problem for donald trump. >> i'm tired of politicians. i've had this all my life. i'm tired of it. >> farming corn and faith are the cornerstones of this part of iowa and most are looking for someone that shares their christian values. that could be a problem for donald trump. >> trump says the bible is his favorite book. you don't believe that? >> i'm sure he does say that's his favorite book because right now he is campaigning in iowa. >> and here in sioux county iowa conservative christian values run deep. had this northwestern part of the state is known for backing the most conservative and religious candidates.
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family is the foundation and church pus are filled every sunday. it's been called the bible belt of iowa. >> which is why this man says he'll kacaucus for ted cruz. he does acknowledge cruz has extreme views. and holding that up is important and i think ted cruz embodies that. >> he gets points for a momentum that allows states to decide on same sex marriage underlying the supreme court. >> god created man and female and male and female and he wants us to marry as male and female. i go with god's way. i don't think there should be a change in that. >> cruz's biggest problem is the ethenol mandate which he opposes. farmers and donald trump support it. trump's tough talk on protecting
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the second amendment helps him here too. >> i am conservative and the abortions, i'm antiabortion and we cling to our guns and our bibles in this part of the country. >> still to some here, trump is simply a showman that doesn't belong in the white house. >> i'm a republican. but honestly, if donald trump was my only choice i would choose not to vote. >> cnn sioux county iowa. >> president of the southern baptist ethics commission and engaging the culture without losing the gospel, he joins us now. always good to have you on. you wrote i saw a national review and you said donald trump is not the moral leader we need and yet you look at the polls. there's a lot of conservative voters who are lining up behind him. why do you think that is? >> i think there's a general
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sense and looking up for leaders of characters and good morals. i had to laugh the other day when i saw a journalist post on twitter that his uber driver said he worried donald trump might be the anti-christ but he was probably going to caucus for him anyway. there's a sense in which people have a -- such a frustration that they're almost willing to give up on the things that they used to value. >> i've heard some people say that i'm not looking for a pastor and chief. i'm looking for somebody that i think can give the country what it needs as a leader. do you think the -- the self-definition of what it means to be evangelical is changing for some people? or is it just the anger and as you said the cynicism that's out there? >> i don't think that we need a pastor and chief because i think the qualifications of pastor and
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the mission of the church is more important than the mission of the state but we do need leaders that have good character and good integrity. so i think if evangelical leaders are wanting to say that that has changed that we no longer need to articulate a leader of good integrity for the past 50 years. instead, when we're looking at this election, i'm frankly more worried about what's happening within evangelicalism than about whoever is up and down in the polls and it's becoming a meaningless term. evangelical means gospel. it's talking about the gospel of it can't make someone a christian. someone's political opinions and someone's job creation record is
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enough to demonstrate a christian. then the term doesn't mean anything anymore. i think that you have generational divides from a younger more theologically orie oriented it's older and much more politically activist and those divides have become more exposed through this election cycle and over the past several weeks. >> so younger evangelicals are more theologically based. >> yes. more conservative and routed than parents and grandparents it was easier to leave a teacher's union than a church.
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now younger evangelicals are having to articulate more from the time they're young. it's a much more threologically oriented group of people. especially one so charged with nutrition that we may see groups of younger evangelicals that are more inclined to disengaging from the political process which is bad for the country. we have to be the people that take our citizenship seriously even as we don't make it ultimate. we're not american first. we're christians first but we are americans and we do have responsibilities to our neighbors. >> thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> thanks anderson. >> coming up, another live hour of 360. a clinton family event and daughter chelsea will take the stage. we'll take you there, next. ted r degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression.
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