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hello, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. we want to welcome our viewers around the world. it is caucus day in america. we are here in beautiful des moines, iowa hours from now the first real numbers will be tallied and the very first contest of the 2016 race. >> the caucuses start at
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8:00 p.m. eastern. that is what we know for sure. beyond that anything could happen. both races are close. for democrats, hillary clinton with the tiniest of leads over bernie sanders. for the republicans, donald trump with a slight edge over ted cruz, who has a slight edge over rubio. all the candidates making their final pitches today. donald trump is about to hold his first rally. jim acosta is with the campaign in waterloo, iowa. >> it is caucus day. the candidacy donald trump is put to the ultimate test. the question of the day, obviously, is whether all these thousands of people who show up at these big events at these auditoriums and stadiums around the country, do they show up and vote or do they show up in caucus in the case of iowa. the trump campaign has been pulling out all the stops over
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the weekend, even doing a fly by at one event in his 757 in dubuque, he was out yet courting evangelical voters. today he has sarah palin out heard on in cedar rapids. even though donald trump is well known as a brash tough talking business tycoon, he has his doubts about whether or not all of this is going to come to fruition later tonight. here's how he explained it earlier. here's what he had to say. >> well, you have to be a little bit nervous, and i like to win. i want to win for the country. i don't want to win for myself. this is actually my first election night. >> reporter: now, i talked to someone briefly, the campaign manager about how they're feeling. he said i'll the tell you later tonight at 10:00 when all the results come in.
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they're not predicting victory at this point. i think if you look at the moll polls, donald trump has a lot to feel good about, especially if he wins and goes to new hampshire where he has a huge lead. this could be a difficult train to stop. later tonight donald trump will be doing something that he has never done before. that's sit in a hotel room in one of these early states and watch the election results come can in. donald trump is usually the one who does the judging, telling contestants on a show you're fired. tonight it's the other way around. it's the voters who get to decide his fate later this evening. ? this is no reality show. this is reality. >> the best type of reality. >> thank you so much. back here in des moines, our cnn reporters and a foreigner hillary clinton campaign manager, and an author of too
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dumb to fail. matt because you wrote a book, i'm going to ask you the first question. i think donald trump has been leading in the national polls for so long we've lost sight of what a phenomenon this is. put this in big picture perspective. what happens if donald trump wins the iowa caucuses? >> it would be huge. that's an understatement. but when donald trump first got in this, we thought it was a joke. then the mccain comments and megyn kelly and mexican comment, he was going to fall apart. if he wins, this is like the last hurdle because nothing has been held yet, but if he does, it's going to be -- and then if bernie sanders, we won't get into that yet. >> and to matt's point, since june everyone no matter what you say about it, everyone has said
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can he turn celebrity into votes. today, finally, that will be answered. what are you watching for? what clues, what signs are you watching for first? >> well, after going to all of his rallies over the past week, it's been fascinating to talk to a lot of people in the crowd who are first-time caucus goers. some of them have clicked on the twitter link he out out for their caucus finder. the trump campaign has been trying to educate people about how to caucus, where to go, but that's the big if tonight. we're not seeing huge numbers of new republican registrations. of course, people can go to their caucus and register tonight. but the cruz campaign on the other side is just very confident that their ground game is far more sophisticated than anyone else. that they know who their people are and they can turn them out. when you're on the trail, it feels so way. there's no way to predict what's going to happen. >> hillary clinton feels she's
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as well organized as cruz. the clinton campaign has been here for months and months building up the roles. the polls are close. describe the level of pain and agony within clinton world tomorrow if they don't win tonight. >> well, having been through the pain and agony in '08. >> take us back. >> it's big. it is big. the stakes are very high for both hillary clinton and bernie sanders. if sanders wins, that's huge. it will have momentum going into new hampshire and the rest of the primary states. for hillary clinton, if she wins tonight, there's an opportunity to blunt bernie sanders ae momentum, maybe whittle down the margin in new hampshire, and then it's clear sailing on march 1st on the super tuesday states. >> doesn't it also serve to blunt some of the heart burn or
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heart ache that she couldn't pull it off? >> yeah. the narrative has been origin electrical hillary was going to be waltz into the nomination. then we've had a reversal where it feels like there's a revolution with sanders. there's nothing more exhilarated than being shot at without effect. if she pulls off a win in iowa as we now think she will, that could give her a lot of momen m momentum, and then new hampshire is an anomaly. different than if he wins iowa and new hampshire. >> and there's also, if he wins here tonight, there's some redemption here for her. it's big. >> well, that's the thing. you would think winning is always better than losing, but you listen to the rubio campaign, the campaign for marco rubio. they make third place seem like the best thing ever. it's like winning the power ball
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skrak p jackpot. >> in their case, in this field given the number of candidates, if rubio pulls off a strong third place, that could do a lot for his campaign rolling into new hampshire where he will be battling it out with jeb bush. cruz has been here longer than anyone else, longer than anyone else. rubio has had a light footprint -- >> until recently. >> but in terms of the long game he's playing, he's talking about his faith. he's really in the last couple of weeks reaching out to the evangelical voters who are split between trump and cruz. it will be fascinating to see if he can sway some of them in the final hours and go roaring into new hampshire. >> someone saying third place would be amazing sauce. then you have ted cruz -- yes, i did say that. then you have cruz, they kout
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the ground game. they are confident in their data and what they have, and how many people they have reached out to. he's hit all 99 counties as of today. with all that in mind, if he doesn't win iowa, what went wrong? >> right. i think that rubio and cruz are examples of the expectations game. and so it matters who wins and also who meets or exceeds expectations. ironically, ted cruz, a second place finish for cruz feels like a loss. he's invested so much resources. he's taylor made for iowa. he's an evangelical. he should win it. if cruz comes in second, it's a loss. if rubio comes in a strong third, i think it's not just spin. it is a win. he's been playing it that way. >> what's a strong third? >> 18%. >> and the other question also is just to watch tonight. watch where the evangelicals end up. so many of them i talked to who
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were considering those three guys were saying that this had been an agonizing choice for them. they know that they should be with cruz, but a lot of them keep looking at trump and saying i think he'd be a better candidates. the hits on cruz and his likability are making others look at rubio and him talking about his christian faith. so it's really anyone's ball game. >> i think for cruz, especially, it's a question of he just peaked too early. donald trump skipping the debate was really not a good thing for cruz. >> the trend is your friend, unless it's not, right? that's a big problem. >> thank you all so much for being with us. great discussion. >> and when the caucuses wrap up tonight, the race moves to new hampshire, and cnn will be there. this wednesday, all three democratic candidates will take part in a presidential town hall
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facing questions from the voters. wednesday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >> that is a big deal. coming up next, the clinton camp says sanders is running one of the most negative campaigns in history. is that for real? we'll ask one of sanders' supporters and get her reaction. >> one of hillary clinton's biggest supporters here in iowa just revealed his top ten list of reasons why she should be president. hear what senator tom harkin included in that list. and moments from now, donald trump will be taking the stage to give his final pitch to iowans at a rally in waterloo. what will he say to change minds? please, show up, don't worry about the weather. it's not that bad. we've live in des moines.
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all right. john berman here with kate bolduan. back live in des moines, iowa on this hugely important day. the first votes of the long, long awaited highly anticipated, super important, 2016 presidential race. the democratic side is so close. sanders and clinton scrambling for votes this morning. >> one person hoping to ensure a sanders win is a former senator who has endorsed sanders. thank you for being here. you're doing everything you can to get sanders elected. two years ago, bill clinton campaigned for you what happened? why bernie? >> president clinton didn't exactly campaign for me. that's a story for another time, but i'm supporting sanders because he has heart soul agreement. when he talks about needing to lift the middle class in this country, that speaks to people in my state and across this
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country. >> if your endorsement a repudiation of hillary clinton? in other words, would you be comfortable with hillary clinton has president? >> i wouldn't say it's a repudiation. we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. i'm here to support bern n sanders. make no mistake, democrats have the strongest candidates regardless. i expect sanders to be the nominee. >> when you look at the field, the democratic candidates, clinton campaign strategist was on the show with us the end of last week. he said bernie sanders are running the most negative democratic primary ever. >> give me a break. ridiculous. this man hasn't run a negative ad in all his career. there's nothing negative about pointing out the differences between you and the opponent. what's negative is what the clinton campaign is doing to
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distort his record. turning around and scariing people, that's negative. he's not running a negative campaign. they know it, it's and it's ridiculous. >> the clinton people say sanders compared the leadership of the human rights campaign the establishment, and he didn't mean it in a nice way. >> i'm a member of the planned parenthood national board. he has 100% record of fighting for women's reproductive health. now all of a sudden his record isn't good enough? they're stretching it. i will say that to planned parenthood being a member and a pro choice woman and a woman who took it to republicans in ohio introducing my own man's love bill to really do something about the extremism that's happening on the republican side when women can't control their own bodies. sanders has 100% record. why is itnow he'srunning for president it's not good enough? >> on the republican side there's a lot of talk of certain
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candidates will say anything to get elected. donald trump saying that ted cruz is a liar. you're strongly defending bernie sanders. you're saying what the hillary clinton is putting out, that they're lying? >> if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you distort the man's record. it's one thing to argue on the issue. secretary clinton agreed with universal care in 2008. it was this station where she repudiated barack obama. now all of a sudden, it's pie in the sky, it's not good enough. >> is it pie in the sky? >> it's not. >> do you think single payer has any chance of passing? j. >> we have to fight for it. the beauty about senator sanders, the energy will have a tail that brings in energy. it doesn't matter who it is, the bottom lake is that paul ryan is the speaker of the house and
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both chambers are controlled by the republican. sanders is saying it's not i. it's us. and it's your obligation to get out there and make sure that we force elected officials to do what is in our best interest as a country. i don't think so. >> this is a message that is resonating with many young voters, that bernie sanders wants to see turn out tonight. how critical is iowa? >> it's critical. people have discounted him all along the way. it's important. they're in a dead heat, and whoever gets the turn out, you have to count the numbers. i don't doubt the resolve of yu young people. the other side is saying they're unreliable. we want everybody to vote and participate. that includes our young adults. they're going to come out and caucus. >> all right. great to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> you heard it here. strong support for sanders tonight until we'll see as
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people head to the caucuses. just ahead, an iowa power player joining the democratic conversation. >> and donald trump just about the take the stage in iowa. he calls ted cruz a liar. we'll speak with down of the strongest cruz supporters here.
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just hours ago now until the big kick off in iowa. caucuses will get underway. candidates are making their final push knowing tonight's results could be a launching pad or something much less fun. >> what's the reverse of a
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launching pad? >> a heating pad. >> that you put on a sore muscle. >> or a crash pad. >> as if they need an introduction after that. we're doing joined by guests. on friday on this broadcast, clinton's campaign said sanders are running the most nagtive campaign of all time. we asked if they were lying about it. her response was if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. have things turned nasty? >> not as nasty as the republican side. >> it's not a comparison side. >> there's no question. it's a competitive race. both sides, including o'malley.
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i met some o'malley folks the other day. >> who? >> martin o'malley. the former governor of maryland. it's heated and competitive. but it's also exciting. and there's no question that they're a little sharp in the elbows, a little bump at the side. at the end of the day, i'm proud about the way they're running the campaign. they're tried to inject a little bit human to the race in the closing days in fact it's going to be a great turn out tonight. and we'll see what happens tonight. >> on the republican side, we're talking about what's going to happen to donald trump and cruz and rubrubio. we know your allegiance. at this point and what you're hearing and seeing, do you think anyone polling in the single digits, your man included, can breakthrough? >> breakthrough in iowa? >> no. no. but iowa is iowa. it plays a very unique position. i think for a lot of people they're already looking at how
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they move on. they're looking at new hampshire. i think you see john kasich has been in new hampshire for a couple of days now. he's been campaigning there hard. has had the state for himself. christie and bush, you know, iowa is today. the rest of the primary season begi begins tomorrow. jeb bush is not going to win the iowa primary. let me make that very courageous prediction and go out on a limb. but i'm proud of him for having tried to run a national campaign. and for having put the effort and the resources here. we can argue after if it was the right thing to do or not, but it's what he wanted to do. >> you don't get a participation ribbon in presidential politics. >> and there's an old saying there's three tickets out of iowa, first class. donald trump has his own plane. that means somebody that has to get the bus. and there's no question that cruz and rubio are really fighting it out for the number
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two spot. ben carson is still a factor, i think, in the republican race, and then you have the single digit candidate that might surprise us tonight. i think on the republican side, you have a couple of single digit candidates looking for a little lift so they can get into new hampshire tomorrow and say guess what? i came in fourth place. fourth place. >> be careful. you're getting too nice. >> there are republicans duking it out. rubio, cruz, and trump. everybody else is here to put out an effort and show that they can campaign in iowa. >> ben carson might be a sleeper. >> i don't know what to do with that. >> let me turn to the democrats for a second. i have to say something to break up this party over here. there is this question of how many new voters will show up on the democratic side. the new, young, first-time caucus goers will be decisive in this election.
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i know you're careful. you're not picking sides here, but give me your honest assessment. do you see a wave of first-time voters coming to the caucuses tonight? is that something you've observed? >> first of all, i gave carson some love. i want that on the record. he's not dead. he's fading, but he can come back. he might wake up tonight. last year in 2015 you had about 35,000 new registrations, 19 for the republicans, 16,000 for the democrats. there's no question sanders and trump are trying to turn the crowds into first-time caucus goers. there's only one candidate in the history of this caucus that has achieved that, and that was barack obama in 2008. will iowans show up tonight? the good news is this state as a progressive registration policy. if you have your i.d., you can show up and register to vote in the republican or democratic
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caucus. there's an opportunity for them to bring in first-time caucus goers. if you're 17 1/2, you can and you turn 18 before november, you can also show up tonight and caucus for the democrats or the republicans. >> what we've establish second down we have been promoting underage drinking when we hang out with anna. this is inappropriate. >> i don't think it needs to be promoted. i'm saying you can vote. this is an opportunity to shape american history. what a great opportunity we have in the state of iowa. we know the iowans pay a lot of close attention to the candidates. show up tonight. let your voice be heard. >> the iowans are the most remarkable people. when i think about it, how they get overrun by overzealous political and media people and all these type of political folks every four years, we take over this place, and they are the most gracious, hospital,
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loving, helpful people in america. so folks, let me tell you this. come visit iowa. >> yay, iowa. i heart iowa. >> and there's nothing better than a pork chop in this state. >> i don't know. an anna and donna, thank you. >> let's get a pork chop and a cold one. >> and a cold one. >> yes. >> one iowa power player says he has more than a few reasons why he thinks hillary clinton should be the next president. he's won the iowa caucuses before. former iowa senator, tom harkin. >> donald trump unleashing a new attack against cruz ahead of the big contest calling his rival a liar. we're going to talk to one of cruz's top supporters, steve king. i'm here to get the lady of the house back on her feet. and give her the strength and energy to stay healthy. who's with me?! yay!
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john berman and kate bolduan in des moines, iowa right now. just a few hours to go until voters line up, go to their caucus sites and cast their first votes of 2016. this is waterloo where donald trump will hold a rally in a few minutes. he's trying to seal the deal. will this last minute push from trump work? >> joining us to discuss what hillary clinton and all the candidates need to do, tom hark harkin. he warmed up the crowd last night before clinton came out to try to close the deal with iowa voters. we should note one of the only people you'll see on the set who has won the iowa caucuses. great to see you. thank you for being here. >> thanks for reminding me i won it. >> you know better than most -- >> anyone. >> we'll say than anybody, what are you watching for. what are you looking for
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tonight? >> well, first of all, how many show up before 7:00. that's the cut off time. and we'll get reports in from around the state. secondly we'll have reports since i'm a hillary supporter, we'll have reports from the precinct captains as to how many delegates showed up by 7:00. that's the first thing and how bradley ba broadly based it is. there are over 1,000 precincts in iowa. hillary has a precinct captain in every one. that shows you the depth of the operation here. we'll be looking for that, and we'll be biting your fingernails waiting for the first reports to come back as to how the delegates split. >> let me ask you about the first-time voters. 239,000 was in 2008 for barack
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obama. nothing else has been close. where do you see this number this year? do you think there are first-time voters out there that could push things toward sanders? >> that's possible, but you have to understand when obama ran and got all the high numbers, it was an earlier caucus, and all of the students were home. they weren't in school. and the sanders campaign, i noticed just lately has been asking students to go home to vote. don't vote on the campus. so what that means to me is that you will not have the kind of turnout supporting sanders as you did for barack obama at that time. they will be bunched up. >> there will be clumping in the university campuses. >> you and your wife took the stage last night to warm up the stage for hillary clinton. as part of that, you tipped off a top ten list the crowd loved. the top ten reasons hillary clinton will be president. if things don't go your way
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tonight, what will be the one reason why -- what went wrong? >> i don't think anything went wrong. i think hillary has run an exceptional campaign here. she's been highly motivating. she's energized crowds. we've had this great organization. it's just that, you know, if sanders wins, then i would think that it's only because his young people turned out around the state and he was able to get more out than hillary. >> that's the secret sauce for him? >> it is, but i honestly -- i don't see that happening. and i will tell you one thing. i just picked up over the last few days a lot of people that -- remember when howard dean ran? dance with dean, but married kerry? i think there's a lot of people who have maybe sided with sanders but now they're thinking wait a minute, who can win? who's the best qualified person
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to be the democratic candidate, and i see a movement sliding back to hillary. >> you served with h both of them. >> sanders was a great senator. he was on my committee. we did a lot of work together. the same with hillary. she was a wonderful senator, and she had an ability to work with republicans and move things along. i think bernie is more of a motivator and always prodding and pushing. hillary was a little bit more quiet. let's work and get things. how do you move the ball forward and get something done. >> if they're both great better than any republican option, what's wrong with sanders? >> what's wrong with bernie sanders? >> would you be comfortable with him if he didn't pull it out? >> i'm supporting hillary clinton. give me a break here. i would be comfortable with
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bernie anywhere. i love bernie sanders. i love jane, his wife. they're dear friends of ours. i think at this time and place and because of her background and knowledge, this is hillary's time. i saw a guy at the cedar rapids deal the other day. he had a sign, and it said 227 years of male presidents is enough. it's time for a woman president of the united states. >> tom harkin, thank you for being here. great to be a caucus winner. come back and we'll tell people again. >> i think some of these people may have missed when i ran. >> thanks for coming on. >> coming up, nobody likes him. that's what folks say, and he's also a total liar. that's a sample of donald trump's attacks of recent against ted cruz. as we close in on this first presidential contest, a top ten cruise supporter, steve king of iowa is joining us live.
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>> and speaking of donald trump, he is about to take the stage in waterloo, iowa. you can see there, warming up the crowds. that's very interesting. these are trump supporters explaining how and where to get to their caucus site. it's about getting the machinery working. it's hard to find time to keep up on my shows.
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calling and working some of you have been here since friday and giving time of your effort. i've done what you're doing for other candidates. i know how much work it was. the first campaign i was involved in was dole. i started as a volunteer. this one is going to turn out better than that one, and he's a fine man. i am grateful. i came from the grass roots. i know how much hard work that is, and i appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. maybe some of you i've never met or only one time, and they dedicate came to this cause. i want you to be proud of the fact you worked for us. and everything that i do, i want you to be proud, and i want to make sure i ensure that you're always proud you supported me. i think your efforts will be meaningful. i feel positive about what's happening in iowa and around the country. i see it and sense it in the
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work we've done, especially over the last week. i don't think that's a coincidence. we've done things that have helped but you've done it. you're going to help us tonight get people who want to vote for me to vote for me. tonight because of the work you've done, there are people who may not have gone to a caucus because they wanted to watch something on tv. instead they'll go because you're convincing them it's that important. it is important. this election is not just an election. it's not just a choice between two political parties. it is a referendum on our identity as a nation and people. that is what you are participating in. a referendum on what kind of country america is going to be in the 21st century. your work is not just about electing me. it's about ensuring that this country remains a great country to our children and grandchildren inherit a country as great, the if not greater than the one left to us by our parents. >> that's marco rubio thanking all his supporters and staff and
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noting his first job in politics was as a volunteer for bob dole in 1996. bob dole won here that year. i don't think rubio is going to do better than bob dole in iowa. we'll see. >> let's bring in a man who knows iowa politics well. steve king is a supporter of ted cruz. we've spoken to him many times. you didn't have a chance to hear because you were just sitting >> marco rubio is talking about how grateful and he wants to make all of them proud that they are part of something -- part of something bigger. this goes beyond iowa. it goes beyond -- what is this moment like in those headquarters for ted cruz's campaign, for the marco rubio's campaign and all the people that have been working so hard for them? >> that tone and that message is delivered to his workers.
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>> it's true in almost every one of those campaigns. you want to wrap things up and say thank you. it's always good to do that before the tally is in. you know, marco is doing that. >> he flat out called him a liar. >> them is fighting words. you know, when you say that, you better be able to make it stick. . i don't know what it was he was talking about, but i can tell you i've spent at least two weeks on the bus with ted cruz, and that's fairly early in the morning until way late at night. i have watched him before -- in front of the stage, behind the curtain with his family. i watched him make decisions on the fly. there's not been one single moment that i had even an ounce of regret, and i think people know what i think of principle
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and truth and constitutional values. i watched how donald trump turned his campaign into something that looks like the wwe to me. it's more than that. this is not world wrestling here. this is about the leadership of the free world. i think we have a higher level of dignity and a higher level of restrantd. even if he thinks that, he should find another way to make that kind of a statement. >> we have senator tom harkin here just a moment ago, and he said very clearly on the democratic side, shocker, everybody. it comes down to turnout. it's going to come down to turnout. you know this very well. what is in your view the tipping point. the more first-time caucus goers, that's going to benefit donald trump. where is the tipping point for you? >> i picked a number that -- i just put this down. 135,000 republicans. if that number goes above that substantially, it gives donald trump an advantage. if that number is below that, it's an advantage. that's how we measured it.
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i will say that well over two-thirds of the caucus goers are full spectrum constitutional christian conservatives, and that fits ted cruz more than any candidate i remember seeing before coming to the iowa caucus, but we've never seen a showman like donald trump. that's what you have. the unknown factor. can he get a lot of people to come to caucus that have never gone before, and that's stacking against something. sometimes it's three generations of a family that will walk into a church or gymnasium or home and put up their votes, and they've been out there working a long time. thousands of volunteers doing this. i also want to take the opportunity just to congratulate everybody that's throwing their head and heart into this. as somebody mentioned the other day, and just a little earlier this morning that it was compared to the super bowl. i'm happy with that. so we'll see how things turn out tonight. >> appreciate it. >> we'll talk to someone who knows a lot about how to run a
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democratic race in this state. cnn political commentator dan pfeiffer, a key advisor to senator barack obama back in 2008 when he won here. dan, thanks so much. our question to you. six or seven hours before caucus time, when do you know -- when did you know this was breaking your way? >> caucus day is the weirdest of all election days. it doesn't start until nighttime. normal election day, you see turnout models. you can tell which precincts that matter to you, how high turnout or low turnout you can do things. robo calls or do media to try to amp up, turn out where you are down. caucus day, you just wait all day long for it to actually happen. it's the hardest of all election days. in 2008 maybe we were naive, but we were incredibly confident going in because we knew we had this incredible operation. we had run the numbers. we checked them. we had well surpassed our
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internal numbers, benchmarks. we knew we needed to get to win. we were very confident. you know, when we lost new hampshire a few weeks later, iowa was the last time i was ever confident on election day. in this case you won't actually know until the results start coming in. >> we will see, dan. >> if you met one -- -- >> thanks a lot, guys. thank you so much. just a reminder, moments from now donald trump is going to take the stage. he is in waterloo, iowa. he is making his final pitch to voters. we will bring you there the second it happens.
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the x1 voice remote is here. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield, and welcome to "legal view." after months of talking about it, it is finally here. caucus day in iowa at 8:00 p.m. eastern. iowans are going to be the first in the nation to cast their vote in this presidential race. the race 2016's choice. for the republicans donald trump seems to be the man to beat. he is speaking right now at a rally in waterloo. live pictures right there on the right-hand side of your screen. he is going to be busy later this afternoon. he will be at a rally in cedar rapids, and joining him, none other than one of the big endorsements, sarah palin. the former governor of


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