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bernie sanders, hillary clinton will be taking questions. there are many undecided voters. that's 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. right now it's time for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. it is your turn, new hampshire. the candidates are out in force. this is "cnn tonight." i am don lemon. so much for conventional wisdom in iowa. cruz win. >> every pundit said there's no way cruz can win. can't happen. it's impossible. the race is done. >> donald trump, second. >> we had a very good result yesterday. could have been a little bit better. >> marco rubio surges. >> if i'm the nominee, we are going to beat hillary clinton and it won't be by the flip of a coin. promise you that. >> hillary clinton win. >> i feel really great being
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back in new hampshire after winning in iowa and having a chance to come here. >> but bernie sanders gives her a run for her money. >> the political revolution continues next tuesday here in new hampshire. [ cheers and applause ] >> so as you can very well see, that is a very busy night tonight. let's discuss with cnn's dana bash. live for us in new hampshire. my goodness, you're everywhere. iowa barely was over and now everybody's in new hampshire. >> i'm glad that you told me i was in new hampshire because i'm not sure i actually would have been able to say that to you. i'm not sure where i am. >> i know you're exhausted but you did a great job and you're doing a great job. you're not unfamiliar with new hampshire, you've been covering this all day and for a while. what's happening on the ground? >> i have to tell you what i witnessed tonight and that was in exeter new hampshire, it was a marco rubio rally, it was
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exactly why in this complicated process of electing nominees for president people like to do well in iowa and not just that, do better than expected. so much of this is a psychological game, a psychological situation where you want to kind of project the allure of a winner. and that is really what happened just of course anecdotally what i saw in exeter. there were a lot of people there who showed up who never would have shown up for a marco rubio rally, who are considering others in his sort of mainstream lane, john kasich, chris christie, for example, but they wanted to come and see him because they say they like his style and they are taking a second look after iowa. now, if you're donald trump, who is still in a double-digit lead here in new hampshire, he said, wait a minute, why is marco rubio getting all this buzz? listen to him here today.
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>> one poll came out that said i was leading by 4 or 5 points. i guess coming in second -- the headlines were "trump comes in second," "he's humiliated." there were 17 people when you started, now there's 11. i come in second. i'm not humiliated. >> he does have a point. he did come from nowhere. if anyone would have told us donald trump would have come in second in iowa, we would have told him they were nuts. he does have a point there. we'll see if he can maintain that sort of aura of being a winner, especially here in new hampshire where there's so much buzz around other candidates. >> new hampshire's a lot different from iowa. talk about the difference and which candidate does it help?
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>> it's a very different electorate for ted cruz, for example. yesterday when he won iowa, he did so largely with conservative voters. again, as i was talking about before, the traditional conservative voters in iowa but that's very different from here. the moderate vote in iowa, it's only about 15%. and he only got 9% of that. it's much, much bigger here in new hampshire. and just again, anecdotally, talking to so many people who were at a marco rubio rally tonight, they said that they would never even consider voting for ted cruz because they want somebody who is going to go to washington and make deals. that is the opposite of the appeal that ted cruz has with the more conservative electorate that is maybe more in south carolina and elsewhere but maybe not so much here in new hampshire. >> by the way, you are in new hampshire, in manchester, so stay there. just wait for a moment, i'm going to bring in a man who might have a crystal ball, the
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best crystal ball in this business and that's hugh hewitt. it pains me to say this, hugh hewitt -- i'm just kidding. i have to give credit where credit is due. you called it. here's your prediction on sunday. >> ted wins the republicans, trump comes in second but marco rubio is a very close third. >> the polls had trump in the lead. why didn't he win? why were you right? >> i think i was right because of jeb, josh and john, three operatives, jeff row, josh perry, john droguan who work for ted cruz who basically owned the internet and owned iowa. i told donald trump two weeks ago i thought ted cruz was going to win iowa and trump will win new hampshire. he has corey, his campaign manager up there. here's the other thing and not many people are talking about this. 180,000 republicans showed up, which broke every turnout model,
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it's a 50% increase over 2012. 250,000 republicans voted in new hampshire in 2012, but they have a 50% increase, so if they get up to 325,000, that's got to help donald. so i think all the pollsters, i'm giving them a pass. i got lucky because i kind of study the metrics on the social media side and knew about the trio of js, but in this case the 180,000 people is extraordinary. i'm sure dana will confirm, no one had that on their marker and i didn't predict that. >> does it hurt him at all in new hampshire that he didn't do so well in iowa? >> i don't think so. ted cruz got more people out. he did not convert trump people. he got his people out. he identified them over the course of a year and a half, it's an extraordinary team of specialists who work the internet like nobody else. he delivered them, me messaged them. there was the carson controversy
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for which ted cruz apologized. i think there's a fourth seat at this table going forward. one of those governors, whether it's kasich or christie or bush is going to play themselves into the round of march 15th. the three who did well in iowa last night and donald trump is right, he did very well, ted cruz won did you trump and rubio did well. they're going to go all the way to march 15th to the winner take all. i think there will be one more. i'm still the only open convention man out there. i don't think we'll have a nominee by cleveland. >> do you think there's room at the table for a fourth? >> can we get a good night's sleep before cleveland? if you say yes, then i'm all for it. sure. there is of course room for it. i'm not so sure, hugh, if you're going to see all of the governors that you're talking about, kasich, christie and jeb go on to march 15th. it is possible.
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but if you're just talking about kasich and christie, they're basically residents of new hampshire right now. all of their eggs are in this basket. they don't have much of an operation beyond this. their hope is if they do really well here, then the money -- sort of if you build it, it will come. but jeb bush is different. he has historically had more money. it is hard to see him leaving before south carolina at least, which is in february, not march. but, you know, this is going to be a real, real test. again, back to the beginning, of whether or not marco rubio's momentum coming out of iowa is going to propel him. another phenomenon that i have been just feeling here on the ground in the last 24 hours is -- or 12 hours i should say is that people want to have a winner and they want to pick a winner. voters tonight said that to me point blank. >> and they think rubio's the one who can win? >> they like christie, they like
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kasich but they just don't think he can win so rubio is their sort of backup. >> can i ask you about this because i think hugh hewitt has said this. i think you said at this point a couple months ago you said, hugh, don't trust the polling, it isn't quite accurate. dana, trump said he has a huge lead in new hampshire. that's quoting the cnn poll, 31%, cruz 13, rubio 11%, bush 8, christie 7. could that polling be wrong the way that the iowa polling was wrong? >> sure. it could be. and it also could change dramatically after the results in iowa. and for two reasons. not just because rubio seems to be ascendant but because the whole charm of donald trump or one of the things that really draws people to him is the fact that he says over and over again at that he's a winner. well, he came in second place and that is not an easy feat for
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someone like donald trump in a state like iowa but he's not the winner and wasn't the winner. that is a little bit of the bloom is off the rose there. he still appeals very much as someone who is self-funded, who has never been a politician, who can do things differently, but i think when we're looking at polling, we have to always remember all of the outside factors that might not be felt and captured in these polls. >> okay. hugh, what do you think? do you think the polling could be wrong in new hampshire? >> completely. the turnout model is if we continue to maintain a 50% surge in turnout, then every polling model that has been used to date is wrong. and this isn't a new phenomenon. matt bevin was supposed to lose in kentucky by 4, he won by 9, in 2014 tom cotton was allegedly tied, beating his opponent by 17, mitch mcconnell was
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allegedly tied, he won by 17 points. it's not that they're trying to get it wrong, it's just that the science is an art. no one answers the phones anymore. and i will go back to this idea that people do not shift very easily once they've made up their mind but in new hampshire there is a tradition of not making up your mind. and so -- >> that's so true. >> south carolina is going to be easier to predict. we'll get there with four, maybe five people. the three guys who won last night all have money. ted cruz has deep pocketed money, marco rubio has deep pocketed money, donald trump has his own money. chris christie has at least a couple of people who will fund him through march 15th. jeb bush has at least 30 to $50 million left in his super pac. it's john kasich, my governor, he really needs new hampshire more than the other guys. needs to come in fourth or better and i think it's got to go. >> that's got to be the final thought. thank you. i appreciate it. when we come right back, hillary
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you're a young farmhand and e*trade is your cow. milk it. e*trade is all about seizing opportunity. lots of i guess we can call them surprises in iowa. what will it all mean as it moves to new hampshire now? one thing we've all learned is expect the unexpected. joining me from the "new york times" is frank rooney. good to see you, sir. there were a ton of polls going into iowa. what happened? what went wrong? >> polls are wrong. they seem to be more wrong more often lately. we knew from the beginning that we didn't know in particular how accurate polls would be when it came to donald trump. that was a big question mark that hung over all of this. would the people who said they were in favor of him, were they
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the kind of voters that were going to show up. it turned out some of this weren't and some changed their minds at the last minute and went with marco rubio instead. so all of that made the reality different from what the polls said. >> so they're not real battle tested people in this polling. >> not only that but you do need to get your voters out. people do a poll and the respondents say i want to vote for this person. they need nudges, they need reminders. ted cruz's operation had a phenomenal ground game. marco rubio had a serious one. donald trump had no ground game. >> i gave hugh hewitt his credit, and i have to give you credit. we talked about this three weeks ago when you wrote this column. it's january 16th. you said "neither his image nor his ego leaves any room for a setback, any allowance for second place and as iowa draws near and several polls suggest the strong possibility that ted cruz will finish ahead of him there, it's time to talk
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about what that would mean for a self-enamored emperor who pretty much insists on his own perfection and who has built his brand on it. so now? >> the last 24 hours have been interesting. we saw him flee twitter for 12 hours because he didn't know how to react for precisely this react. if donald trump had won iowa, think about how he would talk about those who finished second and third. he would not be standing up there saying second place is a good thing. dana mentioned this, he's right. in certain ways it's phenomenal that he finished second in iowa. it undercuts his entire brand and his entire argument. >> some people say there's no second place in iowa. you either win or not. >> that's not true. i think marco rubio won by coming in third. it was such a close third. it was third in a state that is much more tailor made for ted cruz, and it finally gave him
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some numbers to support the long-held contention that he might be the one to watch. >> speaking of marco rubio because it's been sort of an unconventional campaign, i would say for donald trump and maybe ted cruz, marco rubio ran a pretty conventional sort of campaign and that showed. that tells you something about iowa, correct? >> yeah. a lot of things weren't as unusual as we thought they would be. we need to also mention on the democratic side -- everyone is talking about the republican side more because there are so many more candidates and some of personalities are so large. i think in some ways the biggest surprise was on the democratic side. >> you said while trump may have fallen short, bernie sanders far excited expectations. you said about hillary clinton, "she should have trounced sanders, yes, he communicates authentically to an electorate ravenous for it and has given potent voice to americans' economic angst." but little in his senate career
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suggests that he would be able to turn that oratory go remedy. how far do you think bernie sanders can actually go? >> i think at the end of the day she still wins the nomination. there are states coming up, south carolina and nevada, where the electorate is much different and much more favorable to her. i don't think the story of iowa is hillary's nomination is in danger. i think the story of iowa is that hillary has serious flaws as a candidate and she's going to go into the general election with a big question mark over her. if the republicans nominate someone strong, we've seen hillary clinton is somewhat weak and it could be a real contest. >> but people remember her in new hampshire and in iowa and she has friends there, right, she has as they call battle tested or poll tested people. so elections are about the future. but somewhat about the past when it comes to hillary clinton because voters are remembering her from the past. >> yeah. and she has a great argument, which is who in this field of candidates on either side of the
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aisle has the kind of depth and breadth of experience that he -- that she has? first lady, secretary of state, all of that counts for a lot. it means she knows what she's talking about but she has yet to articulate a message that is hopeful and inspiring and forward looking enough to voters for them to have an emotion about her candidacy that matches the rationale for it. >> i think you said something about her being rooted, like she hasn't learned -- >> i talked to her and her knowledge of policy is phenomenal. as she goes through it, you travel an arc from being impressed to being exhausted. to her credit, she's well informed but she's never learned to wear that lightly. >> when her back is against the wall, she comes out swinging usually. >> she's a formidable person. new hampshire is so favorable.
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if bernie sanders wins new hampshire even by a lot after kind of tying clinton in iowa, it doesn't mean the nomination is his. all the states to come are much more hospitable to her. >> it's interesting to get people to understand as people ask me as i'm going around, why do people put so much stock in iowa, it doesn't even reflect the population of the country and it's only 1% of the electoral votes. >> it's the first crucible of the candidate center, it's the first testing ground. and there is the phenomenon of momentum. momentum always matters, and to that extent iowa matters. >> as we saw people who put their candidacies on hold, they didn't do well in iowa. >> exactly. >> thank you. >> next i'm going to talk to a
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next week's new hampshire primary could make or break some republicans. i want you to listen to the advice ted cruz has for new hampshire voters. >> you understand there are millions of americans counting on each and every one of you to vet the candidates, not to listen to the empty talk, not to listen to the campaign promises but instead to look us in the eye and determine who's telling the truth and who's blowing smoke. >> let's discuss now with jennifer horn, she is the chairwoman of the new hampshire republican party. good evening. how are you? >> i'm doing great. it's an exciting time to be in new hampshire, that's for sure. >> i know. i'm sure you're ready for all of this. we know what happened in iowa last night. what do you think the results will be on your primary one week from today? >> there's no question everybody in new hampshire was watching
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what was unfolding in iowa last night. those folks who did well, certainly senator cruz earned that win yesterday. senator rubio outperformed everyone's expectations, but the truth is, don, here in new hampshire folks make some pretty independent decisions. a week can be a lifetime in politics. that's nothing that says because those are the two that did well yesterday that those are the two that will continue out of new hampshire. seven days a long time and our citizens are going to be looking very closely at all of these candidates. >> you guys like to say that you thrive and celebrate that you're unpredictable. you also say new hampshire does a service for the whole nation by vetting the candidates. explain what you mean by that. >> new hampshire is a very important state for the candidates. you don't have to have $150 million in the bank, you don't have to, rich, have 100% name
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i.d. you can come to new hampshire, you can have up close access to the voters and really make the case for yourself and do well. i say the first in the nation primary isn't about choosing the nominee, it's about preserving that dream that anyone in america can work hard and be president. we're very accessible, folks like carly fiorina and governor kasich and governor christie, a whole long list of people before them. they can come to new hampshire, make their case to the people and could very well end up being the surprise story next tuesday. >> i know as a chairperson you can't pick favorites but i would really like to know which campaigns you have been really engaging in, that have been engaged in the kind of campaigning that works for the voters there. >> folks know if you want to succeed in new hampshire, you have to be on the ground here talking to our voters face to face. the majority of the candidates have done that very successfully. i was at an event last night for governor christie, the place was packed. he connects really well with
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people in the audience. he's able to get right up there, look them eye to eye, answers every question. governor kasich has a strong game here. he's creeping up in the polls a little bit. he does very well with our voters. i hate to even start naming names because the truth is the majority of our candidates have spent a lot of time here, built strong ground games and almost any one of them has a viable path to come out of new hampshire in a good spot. >> jennifer, i read an article in the "union leader" that you refer to yourself as undecided voter. do you really not have a candidate in mind? when do you think you're going to decide? >> i am genuinely undecided and that's unusual for me. unlike many of the folks here in new hampshire, i'm usually an early decider. but i'm in that 50%, 60% still undecided today. in large part, the same reason as so many others. the republicans have such a broad, diverse field of qualified candidates, we look across the aisle and we see a
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party who is barely able to get two people on stage and it's a socialist who is trying to make a liar look, you know, less liberal than he is and she's trying to somehow get to his left. i'm very proud of our party, i'm proud of our candidates. when this is all over, it's going to be about a republican nominee offering the american people a better path, a better tomorrow. when you put that person up against hillary clinton and her record of failure and her dishonesty with the person people, it's going to be a good 2016 for the republican party. >> i guess you've decided you're not voting for hillary clinton or bernie sanders. at least that much you know. >> i have my general election vote figured out. >> thank you. i really appreciate it. i'm going to bring in two gentlemen who i think you're very familiar with. they've seen it all in new hampshire but they've never seen a race like this i'm sure. joining me is senator john
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sununu, and a columnist for the daily beast. p.j., i'm going to start with you. in 2008 mike huckabee won iowa and rick santorum and neither one of them went on to be president. new hampshire has a way of bucking things. what are you expecting? >> i like kasich a lot myself. i wish rubio were old enough to drive. we're moving now from -- >> rubio and cruz aren't that far in age. go ahead. >> we're moving from random stupidity to focused stupidity now. we now have a choice between general idiocy of trump and the very specific idiocy of cruz. and i think that helps clarify the situation. i wish there weren't seven or
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eight or 11 semi sane republicans to make my choice a little easier. >> senator, a lot of people have been telling people privately, including me, that they support trump but is that because new hampshire voters cast their ballots anonymously? do you see that working in trump's favor? >> no. in the iowa caucuses, republicans cast their vote by secret ballot also. they attend the caucus, there are speeches but it's a secret ballot. you point out something very interesting. donald trump dramatically underperformed the poll. i think that will be repeated in new hampshire. in addition to that, he lost. all the bluster, all the hype, all the smoke and he lost in iowa and i think that takes a lot of wind out of the sails and voters in new hampshire are going to look for a more serious candidate anyway. i think he comes into the state wounded, he comes in a loser and i think he'll go out a loser.
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>> if it had been different you think if -- i'll let you get in, p.j. but let me ask you, do you think voters would have seen him differently had he won in new hampshire? >> had he won in iowa? >> yeah. >> maybe. but p.j. points out, new hampshire doesn't follow the lead of iowa. iowa was 60% evangelical, which explains why ted cruz did well that kind of demographic doesn't exist anywhere else in the country and certainly not in new hampshire. jennifer horn talked about the kind of campaign that makes a different. it's town to town, person to person. >> go ahead, p.j. >> i think john's absolutely right. one of the reasons trump has a big poll lead in the united states, in new hampshire, is that we like to mess with you, you pollster folks. i mean, you call us at dinnertime, you're lucky if trump is the worst word you hear from us.
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i'm not too convinced that trump's going to be as strong in new hampshire as people think he will be. >> p.j. o'rourke, you need to get a sense of humor. >> you think so? i think this would be the wrong year. >> go ahead, john. >> p.j., it sounds like don didn't know who he was interviewing. >> that was sarcasm. go ahead. >> in the last week at least half of the new hampshire voters really make their choice. the real question is where will those late deciders go, those late choosers? and they're not going to donald trump or someone like jeb bush who are very well known. there's no question someone like john kasich or p.j. mentioned marco rubio, they're going to get the lion's share of the late deciders. and they've probably both been polling around 12%. john kasich has been on the rcp
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polling in second place. if we get a lion's share of those late breakers, we're going to run a strong second or win the primary. that's the approach. that's not new this year. that's the way the primary in new hampshire has historically gone. if you have win those late deciders, you have a lot of momentum and a surprise on the election day. >> marco rubio's strong performance in iowa take a look at what chris christie is saying about senator rubio. >> you know me, i'm not the boy in the bubble. you know who the boy in the bubble is, who never answers your questions, who is constantly scripted and controlled because he can't answer your questions. so when senator rubio gets here, when the boy in the bubble gets here, i hope you guys ask him some questions. it's time for him to start answering questions. >> we know that john likes senator kasich. who is the biggest target on their back heading into new hampshire? marco rubio, donald trump?
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ted cruz? i don't know, maybe it's john kasich. >> i think it's actually ted cruz. i do wish these kids would all stop squabbling. the other day i was thinking to myself when are the grown ups in the republican party going to step in and pose some order and then i looked in the mirror and i said, oh, gosh, i'm a grown up in the republican party. ouch. >> all right, gentlemen. >> it's a great country. it's a great country. thank you, don. >> thank you, you guys are great guests. hope to have you back soon. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> bye, john. >> take care, p.j. >> that's an expensive phone call. hillary clinton and bernie sanders take the stage in our democratic presidential town hall in new hampshire tomorrow night. 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. up next, donald trump explains why he didn't win the iowa caucuses and why he says being number two is not such a bad thing.
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(train wheels on tracks) it had no mouth, but it spoke to me. it said, "rocky mountaineer: all aboard amazing". and we're back. tonight donald trump is down playing his second place finish in iowa.
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he's saying he's not worried about marco rubio cutting into his lead in new hampshire. let's discuss. matt lewis is the author of "too dumb to fail" and bakari sellers, katrina pierson and i also have van jones, former obama administration official. so who's aback on this panel? you guys have worked hard. katrina, i want to play a little bit from donald trump explaining why he lost in iowa. >> i was expected to come in maybe 10, 11, 12, 13. i ended up coming in second. i didn't devote tremendous time to it, didn't devote tremendous money to it. i guess in terms of money per vote i'm about at the bottom, meaning the most efficient. i came in second, third was close to 3,000 votes away, a big difference between second and
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third. i think that we did really well, i mean, as far as that's concerned. >> all right, katrina, you're going to be honest with me here, right? >> of course. >> so donald trump, he expected to win iowa, right? he's putting the best face on this loss. >> well, he did expect to win. he says that. he says he would like to win. he admits he didn't spend as much money and maybe as much time as the other candidates, which may have contributed to it. whether it was the debate that may have contributed to it. but, don, he still did really well as a first-time candidate running for president, he had 50% more of the votes than reagan or romney, three times as many as mccain or gingrich. safe to say he did really well. >> all three of them broke a record, rubio, trump and cruz. this is what donald trump and his team were saying leading into the caucuses. >> we are going to win so much. we're going to have win after win after win. >> we can win here.
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if we win in eye with, we could run the table for the first time with. if i come in number two, i could say that's a victory. it's not a victory, not for me it's not. this is my first election night. i want to win for the country, not for myself. >> if you look in the dictionary under swagger, i think donald trump's picture could be there. can he get past this? >> he can. a lot of this is about expectations. you set the expectations, then you either meet them or fail to do so. compare that to marco rubio, who finished third place but exceeded expectations. trump elevated the expectations and did not meet them. that's okay. he goes on to new hampshire. if he falls apart in new hampshire, new hampshire is a much better state for donald trump.
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he's up significantly there. if he falls apart in new hampshire, then i think he's in trouble. >> go ahead, van. >> the other thing that is so interesting is americans actually like braggards. muhammad ali would brag and brag, and then when he knocked people out, people loved him. steve jobs, he would say i'm going to change the world and then he could go and do it. people hate braggers who brag and brag and then slip on their own banana meal. you either have to spend the time or spend the dime. you either have to put the face time and shake hands or put together a world class operation. what you have is a cheapskate billionaire, who didn't spend
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the time or the dime and slipped on his own banana peel. >> katrina, are you going to let him get away with that? >> donald trump was not supposed to be in the top ten -- >> not according to him. not according to him. >> he competed anyway. that's the point we're making here. even though he was told he would not do well at all. >> go ahead, bakari. you sat there quietly and patiently. go ahead. >> i do have to -- i would never find myself defending trump. but i do late night with you. if anyone, van or myself who actually studied politics -- >> you only do it late at night with me? i've seen you on state of the union. >> if anyone would have said that donald trump would have come in second in iowa, be leading in new hampshire and leading in south carolina, they would have all called us crazy. when i walked back past the screen last night and saw marco rubio give that speech without knowing the results, i thought marco rubio had won. i didn't know he was claiming his participation trophy for coming in third place.
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but donald trump literally came in second place last night in iowa, a place known for evangelical, christian voters. he's going into new hampshire with a hell of a lead. not sure if anyone can catch him. i think donald trump, although he didn't win last night, which i thought was a great black history month gift, he still have the opportunity to do very well in new hampshire. this lace has flipped on its head. >> that's a very astute observations. had i not seen my e-mails this morning, i would have thought that ted cruz had won -- >> rubio. >> rubio rather. i saw so much rubio. i'm like, did rubio win when i knew that ted cruz won because i checked my e-mail. >> but that is politics, don. game. it's about the expectations ga game. everybody remembers a bill clinton being the "comeback kid" in new hampshire. >> he came in second. >> he came in second. >> and rubio's team set this up the whole time. rubio deserves to get credit for
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declaring victory out of a third place finish because they set it up the whole time. they prepared us for those expectations. in fact, he exceeded the 18% we felt would have good night for rubio. >> stand by. i can't believe i'm going to say this. katrina, you're going to get another chance to talk. you didn't get a lot of chance this time. >> what do you mean you can't believe you're going to say that? >> i'm just joking, calm down. >> up next, clinton versus sanders in new hampshire. he may have the home field advantage but will that be enough? we'll be right back.
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hillary clinton gets a win in iowa beating bernie sanders in the closest win in caucus history. what will that mean the new hampshire? back with me now, my guests. bernie sanders has the homefield advantage in new hampshire. he's from the neighboring state of vermont. here's what bernie sanders had to say today. >> secretary clinton ran here in 2008. secretary clinton won here in 2008. secretary has a very formidable political organization and as you know has virtually the entire political establishment
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on her side. so, you know, we are taking nothing for granted. trust my, we are not. we are going to work as hard as we can. we just did this wonderful meeting here in keene, we'll be in claremont later in the afternoon. we're going to be all over this state. so we are going to work with our volunteers to bring out as many people as possible. and we look forward to winning here but we take nothing, nothing for granted. >> so lowering expectations. is this a strategy, van, to downplaying his strength in new hampshire? >> that's the way the game is played. he's done 20 elections, won 14. he knows it's important to say exactly what he said. of course what he says has the benefit of being true. one thing we haven't talked about enough, he owes a great deal, bernie sanders, to fox news. fox news made this guy electable by calling barack obama a socialist every day for eight years. so you have a whole generations of young americans who think socialism is not that bad a deal because they say the president
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is a socialist every day. bernie sanders should send a thank you letter to fox news. that he overused the socialism thing so much, it like an anti-biotic, it doesn't work anymore. it opened up an opportunity for him. his supporters sent a very important message to secretary of state clinton, you do have pent-up pain and frustration, especially with young voters and you're going to have to work harder with the young voters going forward but i'm proud of bernie sanders. >> do you think they've anesthetized the word in making a socialist electable, katrina? >> i'm not quite sure how many of those young bernie sanders supporters watch fox news but a lot of the hype has been driven by the media. but the fact that hillary clinton has gotten herself into so many scandals is not helping either. i think what's happening on both sides of the aisle is the volatility of the electorate is
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sick and tired of business as usual. because politicians will say anything they can to get elected. we're seeing that play out on both sides. >> the media has also played a lot into donald trump as well. he's always doing interviews. he's always on television. >> a katrina's right. bernie's been in the senate a long time. he doesn't feel like a politician, just stylistically. they're tapping into something real out there. it's really on the left and the right. there was a moment in one debate where bernie sanders and ted cruz sounded almost identical. they were both talking about whether it's interventionism or trade -- >> that's not going to help. there's something to it. there's somebody to blame. if you're on the left or the right, you can blame globalization, automation, immigration. somebody is to blame for the problems we're having right now.
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>> we just have to look at the demographics of this election. the participation of nonwhite voters in iowa and new hampshire, they are so small, so tiny. the only state in the union that has a smaller participation of non-white voters is vermont. so the demographics is going to change. the fact of the matter is iowa is a state where bernie sanders should have done well and he lost. now after new hampshire he has to go to nevada and south carolina. the demographics changes and he's going to have to test that message out. we keep having this myth about young voters. let me tell you this, don, how many hvcus voted yesterday in this iowa caucus? none. >> what's hvcu -- >> historically black college and universities. that's not good for bernie sanders, nor is it good for ted cruz if what you're saying is right, bakari.
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>> all i'm saying is that this whole myth about all these young voters coming out and millennials being behind bernie sanders, okay, we're going have to shift and talk about the demographics. where are african-american and hispanic millennials. >> go ahead. >> bernie sanders lost nonwhite voters by 24%. that is a devastating fact in this election. >> thank you, everyone. >> coming up, did donald trump miscalculate in iowa? how vulnerable is he going into new hampshire? a lot to talk about when we come right back. every day you read headlines about businesses being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. when it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. we're building what we learn back into the cloud
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just one week till new hampshire and the candidates are out in force. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the road to new hampshire is a lot rockier for some presidential hopefuls after a night of surprises in iowa. why hillary clinton won, why donald trump didn't and it all means for the nation's first primary. we're counting down to tomorrow night as clinton and sanders do battle on the campaign trail. there's lots going on tonight. joining me now is hugh hewitt. hugh, welcome back. trump is in new hampshire tonight trying to put his best foot forward but is it a much bigger challenge there that even more candidates could do well? >> i think donald's in gre

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