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representative dan kildee saying it appears they're treating this more as a public relations crisis than they are a public health crisis, and that's something that the people are very aware of too. >> thank you very much. be sure to follow me on twitter and facebook. that's it for "the lead." turning it over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, trumper tantrum. that's how senator ted cruz describes donald trump today in what's become an all-out war. and now dr. ben carson is being drawn into the fray. trump throws away his subdued tone accusing cruz of stealing the iowa caucuses. cruz is heaping insults on trump's claim and now carson is chiming in as well. progressive enough? just hours before tonight's town hall, a bit of a personal fighter roughs over what hillary clinton stands for. senator bernie sanders says she's only progressive on some days. clinton says she's disappointed
with sanders. blast on board. stunning pictures of the chaos onboard an airliner after an in-flight explosion blew a hole in the side of an airliner. one passenger was sucked out and died. miraculously, the plane landed safely. sources tell cnn investigators have confirmed explosive residue. so who's behind this horror? i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." we're following breaking news on both sides of the presidential race. donald trump is accusing ted cruz of stealing the iowa caucuses by fraud, letting caucus workers spread false reports that dr. ben carson was dropping out of the race. this afternoon, cruz dismissed the accusation and i'm quoting now, as a trumper tantrum. and carson compared the spectacle to ancient rome
citizens watching gladiators fight while the nation fell apart. while the republicans brawl, democrats hillary clinton and senator bernie sanders are getting personal. clinton says she's disappointed in sanders for questioning her record as a progressive. sapders says just look at that record and her timing. both candidates face the voters in a cnn town hall tonight. we're also getting new information about that explosion that blew open an airliner in flight. one passenger died after falling or getting sucked out of the hole in the cabin. our correspondents are working sources close to the investigation and our analysts and guests are standing by with full coverage of all the day's top stories. let's start with the increasingly nasty three-way fight between ted cruz, donald trump and dr. ben carson. our jim acosta is awaiting a donald trump rally in little rock, arkansas. what's trump's latest accusation against ted cruz all about? >> reporter: wolf, donald trump is back on the attack accusing
ted cruz of stealing the iowa caucuses. cruz fired back saying trump is acting out of desperation and as the texas senator put it, a trumper tantrum. donald trump is demanding a do-over in iowa. in a twitter tirade, trump says ted cruz didn't win iowa, he stole it. that is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. bad. the real estate mogul's accusations come just hours after discussing his gracious concession speech on monday. >> i decided to be a little bit more understated and statesman-like. some people like that, some people don't. >> reporter: but trump was stewing over false claims disseminated by the cruz campaign while people were caucusing on monday that ben carson was dropping out of the race, a boost to the texas senator. >> when they said ben carson was out of the race and come vote for him, i thought that was terrible. >> reporter: based on the fraud committed by senator ted cruz
during the iowa caucus, trump tweeted either a new election should take place or cruz's results nullified. cruz fired back. bernie sanders is contesting iowa results, he tweeted. make donald should go back to iowa and join the democrats. bet they'd love. the texas senator admitted his campaign made a mistake and dismissed his arch rival saying he had a trumper tantrum. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing another temper tantrum or a trumper tantrum. is reaction to everything is to throw a fit, to engage in insults. i understand that donald finds it very hard to lose. that he finds that very difficult for him. but at the end of the day, the iowa people spoke. donald trump guaranteed a victory in iowa, and then he lost. you know, my girls are 5 and 7. and i've got to tell you, caroline and katherine are better behaved than a presidential candidate.
>> reporter: the noise coming from the latest trump-cruz feud threatens to drown out the rest of the gop field. both rand paul and rick santorum announced they are dropping out of the race as a battle among the party's establishment contenders rages on. marco rubio is taking punches from both chris christie -- >> i hear marco rubio is here. heck, he does like one event a day. >> reporter: and jeb bush. >> he gave a victory speech in iowa. he came in third. you're not going to be coronated. >> reporter: just what rubio expected, he told cnn's new day. >> both jeb and chris have had a tough couple days and sometimes people don't react well to adversity. >> reporter: bush is struggling to gain traction not only in the polls but even in front of his own audiences. >> i think the next president needs to be a lot quieter but send a signal that we're prepared to act in the national security interest of this country, to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap.
>> reporter: now getting back to donald trump, he suggested on a radio show earlier today that he might file a lawsuit over what the cruz campaign did in iowa. when i asked the trump campaign manager whether or not that might actually happen, he said stay tuned. and even though trump is trying to make a comeback in new hampshire, he is here in arkansas tonight. donald trump may well weigh in on this cruz controversy one more time later on this evening. >> we're standing by and we'll wait to hear what donald trump says over there in little rock. thanks very much. now to the democrats. we're awaiting tonight's cnn democratic town hall where hillary clinton and bernie sanders will face new hampshire's voters. it all comes just as they're sparring over whether hillary clinton is a real progressive. our jeff zeleny is joining us from derry, new hampshire, where the town hall will take place. how did all this start about this feud over whether she's progressive enough, shall we say? >> reporter: wolf, it all started yesterday when someone asked bernie sanders if hillary clinton is a true progressive.
he said some days. those two words have touched off the biggest, fiercest fight in this escalating democratic race. >> we're going to win! >> reporter: it's becoming a central question six days before the new hampshire primary. is hillary clinton a true progressive. >> it was kind of a low blow when senator sanders said in response to a question, well, you know, maybe she's a progressive on, you know, some days. >> reporter: she was responding to sanders, who questioned her progressive record. >> some days, yes. except when she announces that she is a proud moderate. and then i guess she's not a progressive. >> reporter: their sharp exchanges exploded on twitter. clinton took exception saying a 40-year record of progressive results boiled down to some days. sanders quickly responded, point supporters to this clinton speech last september in ohio. >> you know, i get accused of being kind of moderate and
center. i plead guilty. >> reporter: sanders held his ground in an interview today with wolf. >> you can be a moderate, that's fine. you can be a progressive. but you can't be a moderate and a progressive. the second point, wolf, is that most progressives i know really do not raise millions of dollars from wall street. >> reporter: he said his rival has been far from progressive on trade, gay marriage and the war in iraq. >> i applaud the secretary for her work on kids and for many, many other areas, but i think in terms of comparing records, you're looking at the guy who took on wall street and opposed deregulation. >> reporter: it's a deep rift and clinton fired back. >> i think it was a good day for progressives when i helped to get 8 million kids health care under the children's health insurance program. >> reporter: she said she's been fighting for progressive values for decades. >> so i hope we keep it on the issues. because if it's about our records, hey, i'm going to win by a landslide on tuesday.
>> reporter: it's a fight likely to continue tonight, where both candidates face voters at the cnn presidential town hall in new hampshire. sanders has long held a double-digit lead here but clinton is fighting hard with the help of that famous comeback kid who made it to the white house after winning here. when asked if sanders' surgery minds him of barack obama, president clinton didn't hesitate. >> barack obama is not bernie sanders, let's don't play cheap games here. >> reporter: now, as president clinton campaigns in south carolina tonight, a sign that the clinton campaign believes this race is going to continue from here, bernie sanders at this hour is holding a press conference here in new hampshire. he is going to point out again that he believes that hillary clinton is not a true progressive on trade. so, wolf, throughout the day he was offering issue after issue about why he believes this. so that is going to be the central question, the central focus tonight at that cnn town hall meeting. wolf. >> all right, jeff, thanks very much. joining us now in "the situation room" the press secretary for hillary clinton's presidential
campaign, brian fallon. thanks very much for joining us. >> hi, wolf. >> let me play a little bit more of my interview that i did today with bernie sanders when he questioned hillary clinton's claims that she's a progressive. >> most progressives that i know really do not raise millions of dollars from wall street. most progressives that i know are firm from day one in opposition to the transpacific partnership, the tpp agreement. they didn't have to think about it a whole lot. they were opposed to the keystone pipeline from day one, didn't have to vacillate on that issue. most progressives historically were against the war in iraq. most progressives were against the so-called defense of marriage act way back in 1996. those are issues that, you know, secretary clinton has not been all that progressive about. >> okay, brian, so is she a progressive or is she a
moderate? >> this is such a silly line of attack from senator sanders, wolf. you know, increasingly we have seen senator sanders depart from the pledge he made at the beginning of this campaign as a different kind of candidate and steer clear of personal attacks. in the last couple weeks you've seen him liken hillary clinton to dick cheney, which was a pretty low blow. you've seen him question her integrity when it comes to her commitment to financial reform. and now he's questioning her commitment to progressive values when she spent her whole career fighting for women and children. working at the children's defense fund right out of law school on insuring that schools in alabama were desegregated and registering latinos across texas, as first lady of arkansas creating an early childhood education program. as the first lady of the united
states, fighting for universal health care. when that failed, getting 8 million kids insured through chip. this has been the cause of her life. and for her to come under question from senator sanders on her progressive values, it's hutzpah on senator sanders' part. and to senator sanders' point, i don't think it was very progressive for him to side with the nra five different times voting against the brady bill. i don't think it was very progressive of him to vote to give immunity to gun manufacturers. i don't think it was very progressive of him to allow guns to be brought onto amtrak and in public parks. but we've seen a consistent record on his part of supporting the nra on issue after issue. i don't think that speaks to a very progressive record. >> so will she go on the attack tonight if this continues during the cnn town hall? >> so, wolf, i think that -- i actually don't think that this line of attack is going to be very successful for senator sanders. it doesn't ring true to voters
in new hampshire or elsewhere who know hillary clinton's commitment to these progressive causes. i think it's just representative of the fact that increasingly the sanders campaign has come under scrutiny, are not standing up that well in the spotlight. they're obviously doing well here in new hampshire. they have a bit of a home field advantage as a neighboring state senator. but i think after our victory in iowa earlier this week, a lot of the pundits are being questioning of what senator sanders' path is to the nomination in the long run, and i think that increasingly they're lashing out and trying different lines of attack on hillary clinton. i don't think this will ring true to the ears of voters. >> the other made point that he makes, bernie sanders, about hillary clinton is that her campaign is funded by wall street. he says the super pac that supports hillary clinton took in $15 million from wall street alone. first of all, is that true? >> well, wolf, we are proud to
have support from millions of democrats across the country. and in terms of wall street, this line of attack is another one that is not going to hold water or ring true to the ears of democratic primary voters. look at president obama. in his two campaigns he had a great amount of grassroots support but there was also contributions that he received from various industries and then he went on as president to pass the strongest financial reform effort that we've seen in decades in the dodd-frank act. what that proves is, is just because you receive contributions, it does not water down or dilute in any way your ability to go off and toughly regulate those same industries and that's what hillary clinton's record has been. as senator she spoke out against derivatives and the morg
mortgage-backed securities. she's got the toughest comprehensive plan of further regulating wall street than anyone else in the race according to progressive economists who have assessed the plan side by side. if you look at who's spending money against hillary clinton, you have hedge fund billionaires running ads against her now because they're afraid of the tough approach she will take to them if she's elected president. she is the one that they fear, not bernie sanders. so again, i don't think that this line of attack from senator sanders is going to ring true with democratic voters either. >> brian fallon, we're counting down to the democratic presidential town hall later tonight that cnn will be hosting. hillary clinton will be there, bernie sanders, they can continue this exchange face to face with new hampshire voters. stand by, more of my interview, by the way, with bernie sanders. that's coming up later this hour. we have a lot more news. we'll be right back.
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we're counting down to tonight's cnn democratic presidential town hall, but we're awaiting a donald trump rally where we expect him to have more to say about his accusation that senator ted cruz cheated, cheated in order to win the iowa caucuses. just a little while ago, dr. ben carson weighed in, telling reporters he thinks the results of the iowa caucuses were in fact affected by cruz staffers telling caucus goers that dr. carson was actually quitting the race, which he was not. sunlen serfaty is following the cruz campaign and is joining us
live from amherst, new hampshire. cruz spoke to reporters this afternoon. how is he responding to the latest trump attacks? >> reporter: well, it's interesting, wolf. senator cruz and his campaign initially today really tried to use humor to downplay all of this, brush it aside, you know, joining that new term that this is a trumper tantrum. his communications director even suggesting a little tongue in cheek that trump needs to check into a twitter addicts local support group. but he did take a sharp turn, senator cruz, when he was peppered with question after question about this from reporters here in new hampshire and he launched into a ten-minute rant of his own really directing a lot of fire at donald trump over all of this. here is in part what he had to say. >> i wake up every day and laugh at the latest thing donald has tweeted, because he's losing it. look, we need a commander in chief, not a twitterer in chief.
we need someone with judgment and the temperament to keep this country safe. i don't know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button. we're liable to wake up one morning and donald, if he were president, would have nuked denmark. that's not the temperament of a leader to keep this country safe. >> reporter: and cruz later went on to call donald trump immature in that with reporters and imply that he's a sore loser, really saying that this is all a tactic that donald trump is using to try to redirect attention on him, redirect focus back on his campaign after his loss in iowa on monday. >> sunlen serfaty, the words getting very, very tense out there. let's get some insight into all of this from our experts. joining us, republican strategist, former mitt romney senior advisor, eric fernstrom,
gloria borger and peter binart. gloria, cruz says trump is losing it. is he getting off his game? >> i think this is trump's game. i don't think he's getting off of his game anymore. what he's trying told is turn this question of who won and who lost and whether cruz's campaign was trying to get carson supporters to abandon carson as a character issue against cruz, and cruz is trying to use this as an issue of judgment against donald trump. this is a man, he says, you can't trust. i would remind you, wolf, that it wasn't that long ago that it was cruz and trump who were best buddies and having the bromance but suddenly now they're in a fight. they're in a real fight here. and so they have turned on each other and each has his own
reason for doing it. at this point we don't know who's going to succeed, but they're both clearly feeling the heat. >> they certainly are. peter, trump now saying ted cruz didn't win iowa, in his words he stole it. he's also calling for a new election out there. he said this on a radio program. listen. >> you said that everybody is, but have you or will you? >> well, i probably will, yeah. no, what he did is unthinkable. he said the man has just left the race and he said it during the caucus. and then when the clarification, when a statement was put out by ben carson saying it's untrue, they got the statement and they didn't put it out. >> so does he have any legal recourse, peter, to do anything about this? >> i'm not a campaign lawyer, but it seems to me this is one thing if the media had come up with the story and pushed it. but donald trump has zero credibility on questions of campaign honesty and integrity. you know, going back to what he said about muslims cheering 9/11
and on the and on and on. is anyone seriously going to think that he's the apostle of integrity in campaigns here? i think it's one thing to be blustery and kind of act like a jerk when you're winning. you know, that's been his m.o. for the whole time. i think the problem now is that he's doing it while losing. and i think it comes off as desperate in a way he hasn't been desperate before, even a little bit pathetic. i wouldn't imagine that the next week will go so well for him. >> eric, you know new hampshire and you worked that campaign four years ago for mitt romney. could this be a turn-off to voters in new hampshire just a few days before the primary? >> no, i don't think so. i think the republican nominating contest is the best soap opera on tv. the viewership is through the roof. iowa participation at the caucus was off the charts. look, with regard to this episode that happened with cruz, there's an old saying in boston politics that you don't write
when you can speak, you don't speak when you can nod and you don't nod if you can wink. cruz's crime or his staff's crime was putting this down in writing. this gamesmanship goes on all the times at caucuses, conventions, straw polls. i think what's interesting here, it didn't have a material impact on the outcome. i don't think anybody seriously believes that. there's not going to be a redo. what's interesting is we have trump once again as the master of the media. he loves to throw stink bombs to distract the press's attention. and in this case he has taken the focus off of his underperformance in iowa and put it squarely on ted cruz. we saw this happen last week, by the way. on the day that he pulled out of that iowa debate, it's no coincidence that you had a group of anti-abortion leaders go out in an unprecedented move, band together and urge a vote for anybody but trump.
but nobody covered that because they were chasing the debate story. >> gloria, there are other claws coming out in new hampshire right now. jeb bush says marco rubio shouldn't have given a victory speech in the iowa caucuses coming in third place. governor christie says rubio only does one event a day and basically is not energetic, sort of is lazy says implication. is new hampshire a place for the top establishment candidate? >> i'm not sure i know what the establishment is anymore, but i do know you've got three governors who were in new hampshire during the iowa primary caucus night, for example, appeared these governors, kasich, bush and christie, all of them had the same goal, which is to score really well in new hampshire. and now you've got rubio, who's trying to straddle here. he is quickly becoming an establishment favorite, particularly among the donor
class, and he's also a tea party conservative favorite. so he's trying to straddle that. and i think what you see from jeb bush and more recently from chris christie is like get out of our lane, buddy. you don't belong in our lane. it's the three of us. and one of us will emerge. and don't claim victory when you just won those caucuses in iowa. that's not what new hampshire is about. so they're all struggling to get ahead of each other among a certain group and they're very happy, by the way, to let trump and cruz battle it out on their side of the ledger. >> yeah, the battle is becoming even more intense. i suspect it will even further intensify in the coming days leading up to the new hampshire primary. guys, stand by, we have more to discuss. we're getting some live pictures in now from little rock, arkansas. you can see a huge crowd gathering there. donald trump will be speaking. i expect he will be offering
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a very large crowd, you can see it there, gathering in little rock, arkansas. they're awaiting donald trump. he's getting ready to speak there. we'll see what he has to say. stand by for that. we're also counting down to the cnn democratic presidential town hall in new hampshire tonight where hillary clinton and bernie sanders will field questions directly from voters in the
nation's first primary contest. i spoke with senator sanders today and asked him how he plans to separate himself from his rival at tonight's event. >> the presidential democratic contest right now, senator, is down to a two-person race between you and secretary clinton. what's the main difference between you and secretary clinton that you hope to convey at that cnn town hall later tonight? >> well, there are a lot of differences. you know, first of all, when the middle class of this country is disappearing, when we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality, when the 20 wealthiest people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 50%, we need leadership that stands up to the billionaire class and says to them, you know what, you guys can't have it all. we've got to rebuild the middle class. second of all, let's be frank. we have a very corrupt campaign finance system which allows wall street and billionaires to buy elections. here's the difference between hillary clinton and me.
i have received 3 1/2 million individual campaign contributions averaging $27 apiece. hillary clinton recently announced the results, the take from her super pac, $25 million coming into her super pac. $15 million of that came from wall street. that is a very significant difference. our campaign is funded by the people to a significant degree her campaign is funded by wall street and big money interests. >> some people say that politically, strategically that could be a mistake on your part not having that super pac. you probably could raise a lot of money, but you're unilaterally disarming. is that a problem? >> i think you're right, that is what a lot of people have said. but that's what we are taking on. that's what my campaign is about. it's to say, yes, i can raise a lot of money if i had a super pac. but i don't represent the interests of the billionaire class. i don't represent corporate america. i don't represent the very, very wealthy. so i'm going to let them keep
their money. we are not going to have a super pac. and what we are going to do is reach out to the american people at berniesanders.com. wolf, i've been overwhelmed that up to this point in the campaign we have received more individual campaign contributions than any candidate in the history of the united states of america. and that indicates to me not only the kind of grassroots support we have, but that also tells me that people across this country, and by the way across the political spectrum, are sick and tired of super pacs, they're sick and tired of citizens united, and they are sick and tired of billionaires buying elections. >> so are you suggesting that secretary clinton is beholden to wall street and big money? >> no. what i am simply saying is a fact. she recently reported that her super pac received $25 million, $15 million of that came from wall street. i will let the american people determine what all of that
means. >> more of our interview with bernie sanders coming up later in "the situation room." we're standing by to hear from donald trump himself. he's in a campaign rally in little rock, arkansas. you can see a large crowd gathering right now. there has been a sharp change in tone from trump today. he's unloading on his rival, ted cruz, accusing him of actually stealing a victory in the iowa caucuses. so will trump step up his attacks? we'll stand by to hear that. we're also getting stunning new pictures of a commercial airliner just moments after an explosion blasted a hole in the fuselage. one passenger is dead. was terrorism involved? you can't predict... the market. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions... you can feel confident... ...in our experience. call a t. rowe price retirement specialist
we're just hours away from cnn's democratic town hall in new hampshire. bernie sanders and hillary clinton are preparing to make their case before the voters of new hampshire as the nation's first primary contest draws near. tonight sanders is attacking clinton's record, questioning her progressive credentials. we're back with our political experts to discuss. peter, bernie sanders says hillary clinton needs to choose between being a moderate democrat or progressive democrat. how difficult is it for her? could it pose some issues for her down the road if she gets the nomination in a general election? >> you know, this is why bernie sanders hanging around so long is tricky for hillary clinton because he pushes her to her left. there are a lot of democratic
voters, especially in places like new hampshire, that want a more left wing message. a more left wing message than hillary clinton had in the 1990s. a more left wing message than she had when she was a senator in new york. she needs to compete with bernie sanders in that regard ideologically in the primaries but it could be a little dangerous in the general election so this is the path she has to walk. >> remember when her husband was running for president back in 1992, he ran as a so-called new democrat, dlc new democrat, a more moderate democrat that certainly helped him in the general election. eric, looking ahead to tonight's town hall, do you think bernie sanders should go directly after hillary clinton on this issue of whether or not she's progressive enough to be the democratic nominee? >> well, i think you're going to see both candidates, wolf, mix it up more. bernie is just killing it with young people, which is an important part of that obama coalition. if you look at the entrance polls that were done in iowa, he's crushing her on who's more honest and trustworthy.
she leads on experience and ability to lead. but those aren't the things that members of the elizabeth warren wing of the party are looking for. right now they feel very passionate, very idealistic. and the person that they identify with is the 74-year-old socialist from vermont. not hillary clinton. >> that's pretty amazing when you think about it. gloria, you remember this moment eight years ago, 2008, when hillary clinton got emotional in new hampshire after she lost in iowa. listen to this. >> this is very personal for me. it's not just political, it's not just public. i see what's happening. and we have to reverse it. and some people think elections are a game. they think it's like who's up or who's down. it's about our country, it's about our kids' futures. >> all right, gloria, how different is it this time around? >> well, it is different this
time around. first of all, she won. she's -- she knows she's the underdog in new hampshire, but she's got a great organization in south carolina. bernie sanders is a very different candidate from barack obama as you head towards the south. but i do think, to eric's point, if you look at those entrance polls from iowa, her weakness not only on the honest and trustworthy issue, which eric mentioned, but there's another weakness and that is the question about cares about people like me. and bernie sanders beat her three to one on that. and so what hillary clinton has to prove to the voters of new hampshire on issues of income inequality, that she does understand their problems. you have bernie sanders who says, look, i want to give free college tuition for everybody. you have hillary clinton saying how are you going to pay for it? and young voters want to hear
free college tuition for everybody, because that's where their head is right now and they believe that she cares about -- that he cares about them. >> good point. stand by. coming up, ted cruz, he says his republican rival is throwing a, quote, trumper tantrum as donald trump accuses cruz of stealing the iowa caucuses. we're awaiting a trump campaign rally. there you see the crowds gathering in little rock, arkansas. how will the billionaire respond in the coming moments. plus an explosion aboard an airliner kills one passenger, injures two others. we're getting new pictures of the chaotic aftermath.
we're getting new details about an explosion aboard an airliner that killed at least one person and injured two others. authorities haven't officially named a cause, but initial forensic testing raises very ominous possibilities that a bomb was somehow planted on the aircraft. brian todd is here in "the situation room." brian, what are you learning? >> new information from cnn's sources. officials, analysts here and in somalia giving strong indications this is probably a bomb. the way the metal is contorted right there at the blast point, the location of the damage on the plane, all point to the likelihood that this aircraft was a terrorist target. terrifying moments after an explosion rips a hole through the fuselage of this passenger jet. a flight attendant shouts for people to move to either end of the plane. passengers are confused, shell shocked, but their pilot, with herculean resolve, steers the
jet safely back to the somali capital, mogadishu. the explosion on an airbus operated by daallo happened shortly after takeoff on tuesday. they tell cnn tonight one passenger was blown out of the hole at about 12,000 feet. two others were injured. >> objectively based on the evidence we see here, what do you think happened? >> well, this has all the hallmarks of an explosive device. you have the skin of the aircraft tearing outwards. you have sooting back behind the source of the explosion. it looks as though the major part of the explosion was below the window level. perhaps underneath the seat where the life preserver is kept. it's been used before. >> a source with knowledge of the investigation tells cnn initial damage tests show there was explosive residue. exterior pictures show other possibly crucial evidence. >> the explosive device was strategically placed because directly beneath this area is
the center wing tank of the aircraft. that's the center tank for fuel. >> the pilot, in a serbian newspaper, said, quote, i think it was a bomb. airline and somali government officials say it's too early to say what caused the blast, and no group has claimed responsibility. experts say if it was terrorism, the group al shabab would be the likeliest culprit. the al qaeda-affiliated group, fighting a vicious decade-long war against the somali government, has targeted civilians before. killing 67 people at nairobi's west gate mall in 2013. they haven't targeted aviation to this point but some say they have the skills and want to compete with isis for the attention. >> they do have bomb makers. shabab actually allowed and ran training camps for jihadists from other areas, some of those who actually now operate in the al qaeda in the arabian peninsula were trained in bomb
making in shabab-held territory. >> another indication a bomb maker might have been at work the possibility of a timed explosive device. according to a report sent to airport officials, the plane was delayed in taking off. then the explosion occurred at only 12,000 to 14,000 feet. a timer could have been set to trigger a blast when the plane was much higher in the sky, which analyst peter gold says would have made that explosion catastrophic, wolf. it would have killed everyone on board. >> pretty scary. what about security at the mogadishu airport? >> we hear that it's dangerous and security this is porous. part of the airport is occupied by u.n. and african forces. that part is secure. but the rest of the airport is wide open. an analyst who's been there several times says no airlines actually keep any planes at that airport, not even that somali carrier, they keep their planes in the uae. until a couple of years ago whenever he landed there, he was tossed a set of body armor he had to put on before exiting the plane.
al shabab militants would take pot shots at passengers when they deplaned. >> all right, brian, thanks very much. very, very worrisome development. stay with us, we're following a donald trump rally that's just getting under way. expect another blast on senator ted cruz. there you see the crowd gathering in little rock, arkansas. will donald trump stick to his demand of a redo of the iowa caucuses. , then i slowly feel it start to kind of wrap itself around me- then the next thing i know it's morning. with tempur-flex you've got the spring and bounce of a traditional mattress and it also adjusts to my body. ahhh... my cloud feels so comfortable. it feels like somebody's hugging you. how can a bed do that? (vo) there's a tempur-pedic for everyone. find the feel that's right for you. and now through february 28th, save up to $300 on one of our most popular tempur-breeze mattress sets.
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his iowa victory. cruz dismissing what he calls a trumper tantrum. we're standing by for donald trump's first public comments since launching a new barrage of attacks. cnn town hall, bernie sanders and hillary clinton facing voters in new hampshire tonight, where sanders holds a strong lead just days before the nation's first primary. will they skirmish over clinton's progressive credentials. preparing to launch. north korea believed to be on the verge of firing a long-range rocket allegedly to put a satellite into orbit but many believe it's part of getting a missile to get a warhead to the yoous. what is kim's secret plan? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." let's get right to the breaking political news tonight.
donald trump about to speak publicly for the first time since this bombshell accusation against republican presidential rival ted cruz. in a series of tweets, trump alleges the cruz campaign stole its victory in the iowa caucuses by suggesting that dr. ben carson was actually dropping out of the presidential race and encouraging carson supporters to vote for cruz. trump is expected to address the controversy when he speaks at a campaign rally that's getting under way right now in little rock, arkansas. and we're also standing by for cnn's democratic town hall. hillary clinton and bernie sanders facing voters tonight in new hampshire, which holds its primary just six days from now. clinton and sanders in a new war of words tonight. sanders questioning hillary clinton's progressive credentials. clinton calling that a low blow. we're covering all of that. much more this hour with our correspondents. our expert analysts and our guests. they're all standing by. as we again and as we wait to hear from donald trump in little rock, let's go to cnn's sunlen
serfaty. sunlen, you're in new hampshire right now but there's a new fight that's taking place about what happened in the iowa caucuses. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. donald trump is on attack, basically calling into question ted cruz's win in iowa. now, the cruz campaign is trying to brush it all off by arguing that donald trump is just being a sore loser. >> what kind of people are we dealing with with these politicians? >> reporter: tonight donald trump is on a new tear against ted cruz. >> he insulted ben carson by doing what he did to ben carson. that was a disgrace. >> reporter: jumping into the controversy over accusations the cruz campaign tried to shift votes away from ben carson in iowa monday night, and declaring fraud, tweeting, quote, the state of iowa should disqualify ted cruz from the most recent election on the basis that he cheated. a total fraud. trump is demanding either a new election take place or cruz's results be nullified.
cruz today is responding. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum, or if you like, another trumper tantrum. it seems his reaction to everything is to throw a fit, to engage in insults. >> reporter: at issue when cnn accurately reported that carson, on the heels of his iowa loss, would stop in florida for a few days before resuming campaigning. the cruz campaign tried to suggest at iowa caucus sites that carson was quitting the race, prompting tweets like this one from cruz's national co-chair. quote, carson looks like he is out. iowans need to know before they vote. most will go to cruz, i hope. cruz apologized to ben carson and today tried to downplay it. >> passing on a true and accurate news story, it is in fact something that voters found relevant. and i would -- listen, there is a reason why the media is chattering about this. because the media wants to stir up a fight between ben carson and me. >> reporter: trump's twitter
tirade against cruz is a stark contrast than the new more subdued tone. >> i'm just trying to be a little bit more understated and statesman-like. some people like that, some people don't. >> reporter: meanwhile on the ground in new hampshire, the fight is intensifying within the establishment lane. >> marco rubio came in third place in a caucus state, and we're all supposed to bow out? that is just absolutely absurd. >> reporter: with marco rubio the new target number one. >> i hear marco rubio is here. heck, man, he does like one event a day, you never see him and he doesn't answer any questions. >> reporter: and the republican field got a little smaller by two today. earlier today rand paul dropped out of the race and cnn has confirmed that rick santorum intends to drop out later this evening. wolf, it is understood that he will give an endorsement, but still a mystery at this hour who. >> we'll see who it is. all right, thank you. let's go to little rock, arkansas. the trump campaign getting ready for a rally in little rock.
jim acosta is on the scene for us. jim, another big crowd turning up to hear donald trump right behind you. it's getting intense right now between the two republican rivals, cruz and trump. >> reporter: that's right. and donald trump's campaign, wochl, is signaling that the real estate tycoon will indeed fire back at ted cruz here in arkansas as trump's campaign manager put it to me earlier today, stay tuned. the two top gop contenders, as sunlen said, have been in a war of words all day long. trump accusing cruz of stealing the iowa caucuses. at issue trump says the tweets and statements released by team cruz suggesting ben carson was dropping out of the race. trump is demanding either a do-over in iowa or that the cruz victory there be thrown out altogether. his top surrogate, sarah palin, posted a message on facebook page today, her facebook page today accusing the cruz campaign of dirty tricks. now, cruz, as you've been saying, is saying that trump is just flowing a trumper tantrum,
but it could get more serious than that. earlier today trump warned during a radio interview he might file a lawsuit over this, and trump's campaign manager, wolf, he told me that that is a possibility. he did not rule it out when i talked to him earlier today, wolf. >> i take it there is a big crowd there in little rock, arkansas. the arkansas primary is on, what, super tuesday, march 1st, right? >> reporter: right. >> so it's not that far away. a big crowd gathering there. how many people do we anticipate will show up? >> reporter: well, we have several thousand people here right now. as we know from all of these donald trump events, he's going to take note of the size of the crowd. it is one of those big arena-sized crowds here for donald trump. and it is a little odd considering the fact that donald trump is trying to make a comeback in new hampshire that he's here in arkansas, wolf, but super tuesday is now looming large on the horizon, so doing well here in arkansas would be a good thing. i should point out, though, wolf, when i talked to cory
lewandowski today, he said donald trump is adding events to his calendar in new hampshire. there may be as many as four events tomorrow in new hampshire, so trump understands that after what happened in iowa, he needs to prove those polls right that show him in the lead in new hampshire. that's what he hopes to do. just goes to show you trump has more than ted cruz to talk about. marco rubio announced a whole slew of endorsements that he's picking up here in arkansas. he did that earlier today as trump was making his way here. >> tell donald trump that we've shown pictures of that huge crowd in little rock, arkansas, at that venue where you are. he always complains we only show a closeup of him speaking. we've spoken the big auditorium there on several occasions today. thanks very much, jim acosta. get back to politics in a moment. we're getting some breaking news in the sexual assault case against the entertainer bill cosby. just now in pennsylvania a judge ruled the case can in fact go forward. the judge rejected an argument from cosby's legal team that a
deal made back in 2005 should prevent the case from going forward. jeffrey toobin is joining us on the phone. the pretrial hearing has been going on a couple of days. explain the judge's ruling today. >> well, cosby was investigated by this district attorney in 2005 for this very alleged crime, and his lawyers asserted that there was a verbal promise made to him that he would never be prosecuted in this pennsylvania county. what the judge said, and i think it's a very, frankly, easy case, is he said, look, if there is ever anything as serious as a promise not to prosecute, it has to be in writing. you can't rely on an oral promise all these years later. so the case will not be thrown out on this ground and it looks like it's going to proceed to trial. >> there's also been a battle under way between the current prosecutor and the previous
prosecutor, jeffrey, right? >> that's right. that was played out in politics. the previous prosecutor investigated but then failed to bring a case against cosby. the incumbent, the new prosecutor, used that issue to win the election and then brought this case. that's a political issue. that really has no bearing on the legal issue whether the case can proceed, and now we know clearly that it can. >> so walk us through, jeffrey, quickly, what happens next? >> well, what happens next is there are some other motions to be resolved. but unless cosby can get an appeals court to intervene, this case in the relatively near future will go to trial. >> jeffrey toobin reporting for us. thanks very much. once again, the trial, the rape case involving bill cosby will in fact be allowed to go forward. let's take a quick break. once again, we're standing by to hear directly from donald trump.
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take a look at this. a beautiful setting. this is -- these are live pictures coming in from derry, new hampshire. a cnn presidential town hall, that takes place two hours 45 minutes from now. anderson cooper will moderate. voters in new hampshire will have a chance to ask direct questions to both hillary clinton and bernie sanders. anderson will be able to follow-up. i'll be speaking later this hour with anderson and we'll go
through some of the ground rules. this is an important moment just days, five, six days before the new hampshire primary. we'll have live coverage only here on cnn. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will directly answer questions from voters in new hampshire. stay tuned for that. that all begins 9:00 p.m. eastern later tonight. there's other breaking news we're following this hour. donald trump is about -- getting ready to speak moments from now at a huge rally in little rock, arkansas. you see the crowds gathering there. this will be his first public comments since he accused ted cruz of fraud, stealing the victory, he says, in the iowa caucuses. our political experts are here with us to discuss what's going on. our chief political analyst, gloria borger is joining us as is our cnn politics executive editor mark preston and former mitt romney senior advisor eric fehrnstrom. gloria, take a look at some of these tweets that donald trump posted earlier today. i'll put some of them up here on the screen. for example, this.
this was sent out from ted cruz as iowans arrived at their caucus sites to vote. that was one. the state of iowa should disqualify ted cruz from the most recent election on the basis that he cheated, a total fraud. you see that one. based on the fraud committed by senator ted cruz during the iowa caucuses, trump tweeted, either a new election should take place or cruz results nullified. very strong words. it's getting really bitter, isn't it? >> yeah. you know, when trump gave his post-caucus press conference, he seemed to be a little subdued, gracious, almost understated. and that lasted like a nanosecond, wolf, and then he took to twitter. understatement is not a natural ally, i don't think, of either twitter or donald trump. and what he's trying to do is he's trying to turn that election into kind of a character issue against ted cruz, saying basically the guy
cheated, and he cheated at the expense of poor dr. ben carson. and it's a risk. because it's a question of how the voters in new hampshire are going to accept that. and don't forget, trump right now, according to our last poll, and that was before the iowa caucuses so we're going to get another, but trump is in the lead substantially in new hampshire. and what he doesn't want to happen is he doesn't want to lose a lot of altitude here. so he's fighting and he's fighting against cruz, who he sees as the person in his way. and i wouldn't be surprised if he starts extending that to marco rubio. >> and, mark, cruz is firing right back, calling it in his words a trumper tantrum. he says his own children are better behaved than donald trump. he also said this, he said we're liable to wake up one morning and donald if he were president would have nuked denmark. so the words are flowing back
and forth. >> they are. and you know it was just a few weeks ago when i was in ted cruz up here in new hampshire where he decided to go on the attack against donald trump. wolf, as we all know and as our viewers know, ted cruz was very careful not to attack donald trump, especially during the debates. he called him my friend donald. that was a strategy that he thought that donald trump would implode and those trump supporters would come to him. now there's so much on the line and so much at stake, ted cruz coming out of iowa as the winner, they feel like they need to go on the attack against donald trump because they can't take the incoming anymore and really the best defense is a very strong offense, specifically in politics, wolf. >> eric, as you know, the exchange between cruz and trump very, very bitter, very, very intense. less discussion about marco rubio who came in third in the iowa caucuses. but given the fact that now rick santorum, rand paul, mike huckabee earlier, they have dropped out of this race, the field is getting more focused.
does that benefit rubio, for example, if there is an intense war between cruz and trump? these are live pictures we're showing our pictures. rubio is at an event as well in new hampshire. >> well, it's possible. i mean i give rubio's team a great deal of credit for managing expectations really well around that iowa third place finish. but they -- they're also smart enough to know that we don't build monuments to bronze medal winners. rubio will get a fresh look. there's this grouping of candidates, cruz, kasich, bush, christie and rubio all within the margin of error. and if rubio can emerge from that scrum as the main challenger to trump, then he'll be on his way. but he's got to do better than finish third in new hampshire. i'm not saying he's got to win new hampshire, but he's got to improve on his third place finish in iowa to be considered a viable long-term contender. >> i'll be anxious to see in the
coming days. there will be some new polls in new hampshire. we'll see what the impact of the iowa caucuses has been on voters in new hampshire. mark, you're there in new hampshire. rubio today, he turned a question involving donald trump into an attack on ted cruz. sort of avoided trump for that matter. so what's his strategy here? >> well, you know, just to dovetail what eric said, right now marco rubio is really getting a look at being the establishment candidate. now, there are three others here in new hampshire that are hoping that they can eke out a victory or do very, very well. john kasich, chris christie, jeb bush, all have to do well here in new hampshire to try to claim the mantle of the establishment candidate. three lanes out of new hampshire, wolf. the establishment lane, the donald trump lane and the conservative lane. the conservative lane is all ted cruz. donald trump is going to be all trump. there really is going to be this jam going into that lane right there for moderates and what have you. what marco rubio has to be careful about is not to take his
eye off of ted cruz. if this race comes down to himself, ted cruz and donald trump, there may be enough establishment republicans who say, you know what, cruz has the momentum, he's a u.s. senator. yes, he's anti-establishment but he's not donald trump and maybe we should go with him. i think marco rubio wants to take ted cruz out as quickly as he can. >> as you know, gloria, the republican establishment, at least most of them, they don't like donald trump, they don't like ted cruz. they're increasingly, i think, getting ready, at least many of them, to like marco rubio. what are you hearing about that? >> yeah, i spoke with a senior fund-raiser for marco rubio who said his job just got a lot easier after the iowa caucuses. and you can see the establishment looking at rubio because what they're thinking about, wolf, is not only the presidential election, but they're thinking about all those down ticket races, those senate races, those house races, and who would they fare better with at the top of the ticket? and i think there's a sense
among those people who think about those things that they would do a lot better with rubio and they believe rubio could make the case against hillary clinton than they would with a donald trump or a cruz. but let me just say one thing about donald trump. he was surprised, i believe, by his showing in iowa. i do not believe he wants to be surprised again. and what we see him doing now is getting into that sort of retail politics that he hasn't really done much of in the past. he's added events in new hampshire, and he is going to be out glad handing, which we don't see him do a lot, wolf, because he understands that that's what iowa voters have come to expect. that's what chris christie is talking about when he takes on marco rubio and says, oh, he's only done one event. he only does one event a day. so i think trump is going --
you're going to see him start behaving more like the rest of the candidates in this field and trying to make that connection with voters in the way he hasn't done in the past. >> it seems to me, eric, tell me what you think, that trump is feeling pretty good about new hampshire, probably feeling pretty good about the next contest in south carolina, nevada. he's got a longer game going, that's why he's in arkansas right now. we're awaiting to hear from him. that's march 1st, super tuesday, arkansas voters will go and have their primary. does it exude confidence on his part that he can skip new hampshire, for example, on this day? eric? >> oh, i'm sorry. could you repeat i lost audio for a second. >> i was just wondering, is trump exuding confidence that he's skipping new hampshire right now to be in arkansas, which doesn't have their contest until march 1st. >> it's a big mistake for him to be in little rock, arkansas, wolf. look, in 2008 i was with mitt
romney. he was the poll leader in iowa and in new hampshire for the longest time. he lost iowa and then in a week's time he saw his lead in new hampshire evaporate. you know, humility is a great teacher in politics, and trump after the iowa caucus sounded very humble and gracious. those are not two words we usually associate with donald trump. but the feeling was setting in that maybe he's learned some lessons. he himself admitted that he should have spent more time focused on his ground game and his turnout operation. but for him to be -- for him to be on the plane flying around the country and not on a bus in new hampshire going from town to town, i'm not saying he has to do town halls. jeanne shaheen didn't do any town halls in her re-election two years ago, but he's got to show the people of new hampshire that he is not taking them for granted. >> i think he's trying to do that. >> go ahead, gloria. >> no, i agree with eric that arkansas is a little off the beaten track right now given what he's got to do, but he has
scheduled like a bunch more events tomorrow in new hampshire. i think he understands what he messed up in iowa, and i think they're going to try to make up for it. whether he can is another story. and whether he is such a celebrity that it's difficult for him to kind of go one-on-one with people, you know, remains to be seen. >> mark preston, you're there in new hampshire. what are you sensing? >> i mean, look, donald trump in arkansas means donald trump is not in nashua. donald trump in arkansas means donald trump is not in concord. it means that he's not in manchester. to eric's point, he needs to be on a bus, he needs to be shaking hands. these are voters here that are attuned and used to being glad handed just like they were in iowa. he didn't do nearly as much retail campaigning in iowa as he should. certainly in these closing days, wolf, he should be here. as eric said, he's lived it. he has seen the lead evaporate.
mitt romney who owns a house here in new hampshire saw his lead evaporate. donald trump, he's down there now, there's no getting him back. if he wants to maintain that lead and if he wants to maintain his status as the front-runner here heading into tuesday, he needs to get back here and start shaking hands. >> stand by. we're awaiting donald trump to show up at that rally. we'll hear what he has to say about ted cruz and some of the other republican candidates and we'll also take a look what's going on on the democratic side. they're getting ready for their big town hall, the presidential town hall coming up here on cnn later tonight. there you see live pictures. anderson cooper will maoderate and host that town hall between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. more of my interview, by the way, with bernie sanders. that's coming up as well. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships,
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we're standing by, once again, for tonight's cnn democratic presidential town hall. hillary clinton and bernie sanders. they're getting ready to take questions directly from new hampshire voters just six days before the state's crucial primary. that's the first primary in the nation. leading up to tonight's event, they have been skirmishing over hillary clinton's progressive credentials. our senior political correspondent, brianna keilar, is in new hampshire for us. bernie sanders is leading in the polls in new hampshire ahead of tonight's town hall but it's getting more and more intense.
>> reporter: that's right. he is leading indeed, wolf. you'll remember back in 2008 hillary clinton pulled out an unexpected win, a come-from-behind win here in new hampshire, so it's not impossible. but with the distance that she has to gain on bernie sanders, it will be a lot tougher this time. it's a war of words in new hampshire. bernie sanders sparking the latest debate with this response to a question about whether hillary clinton is a true progressive. >> some days, yes. except when she announces that she is a proud moderate. and then, i guess, she is not a progressive. >> reporter: clinton is firing back. >> so i was a little disappointed, to be honest, yesterday. it was kind of a low blow. >> reporter: presenting a laundry list of her achievements to back up her liberal credentials. >> it was a good day for progressives when i helped to get 8 million kids health care. so i hope we keep it on the issues, because if it's about our records, hey, i'm going to
win by a landslide on tuesday. >> reporter: and the fight is spilling over from the campaign trail onto twitter. clinton writing, a 40-year record of progressive results boiled down to some days. the sanders campaign responding with a quote of something clinton said last fall. >> you know, i get accused of being kind of moderate and center. i plead guilty. >> reporter: sanders highlighted that moment from clinton in an interview today with wolf, saying his rival can't have it both ways. >> some days she says she's a progressive. on that particular day she said she's a moderate. you can be a moderate, that's fine. you can be a progressive. but you can't be a moderate and a progressive. most progressives i know really do not raise millions of dollars from wall street. >> reporter: as clinton and sanders trade barbs, former president bill clinton is also getting in the mix, making the case that his wife will be the caretaker of president obama's achievements. >> barack obama is not bernie sanders, let's don't play cheap games here. >> reporter: clinton is trailing sanders in new hampshire by 23 points in the latest cnn/wmur
poll, and she's attempting to manage expectations, acknowledging she needs to improve her standing, especially among younger voters. >> i'm going to have some work to do to reach out to young voters, maybe first-time voters who have to make a tough decision as they evaluate who should be our president. >> reporter: she's hoping to connect with voters in the granite state at a cnn town hall tonight and at a debate tomorrow night. and win or lose here in new hampshire during this primary, hillary clinton needs to keep an eye on the general as well, wolf. as you know, new hampshire is a swing state and she'll want it to be in her column if she is the democratic nominee. >> yeah, she'll need -- the candidate will need those lo electorial votes. >> i spoke earlier today with senator sanders.
you say you will be participating in that democratic presidential debate tomorrow night. did you get the commitments from secretary clinton you wanted? you wanted three additional democratic debates down the road. >> yes, to the best of my knowledge we have. we didn't get all of the commitments that i wanted. we got california, we got michigan and that's good. i wanted a debate in new york city. secretary clinton represented new york state, i believe, for seven years in the senate. new york city is our largest city. i would have loved to have had a debate in that city but secretary clinton has not agreed to do that. but i believe we're looking at a debate, perhaps, in pennsylvania or somewhere else. but we do have her commitment, as i understand it, for three additional debates. >> i get this from some of your supporters. you're 74 years old. young people love you out there, they came out overwhelmingly for you. a lot of these people are wondering why did you wait so long, why didn't you run four years ago, eight years ago, 12 years ago, why now?
>> well, i am running for president of the united states, as i said many, many times, not because i wake up in the morning and say, boy, bernie sanders has to be president. that's not it. i'm running for president because the crises facing this country, income and wealth inequality, the disappearance of the american middle class, a corrupt campaign finance system, the horrendous dangers of climate change, a broken criminal justice system, et cetera, the problems are so severe that i honestly believe in my heart as somebody who respects and likes secretary clinton. you know, media tries to create this attack mode. i respect her. but i just believe it is too late for establishment politics and establishment economics. we need leadership now which is prepared to take on corporate america, whose greed has done so much damage to this country, taking on wall street. that's what we need and that's why i'm running. >> all right. gloria, let's talk a little bit about that.
what did you think of the main argument that bernie sanders is now leveling against hillary clinton. you're either -- hillary clinton, you're either a moderate or a progressive, you can't be both? >> it's not a surprise. this has been what bernie sanders has been talking about from day one, only now he's really much more emphatic about it because he's got so much at stake right now, which is that i was there before she was and, thank you very much, she's changed her mind on a whole host of issues, including trade, you know. the trade agreement, which she once said was the gold standard. she's now opposed to. he was for gay marriage before she was. and he goes through this litany, including wall street reform, including her taking money for speeches from goldman sachs, et cetera, et cetera. i think it used to be that bernie sanders would say, you know, it's you in the media who are just trying to get me to say something nasty about hillary clinton and i won't.
i'm just going to start drawing contrasts. well, now those contrasts have become nastier and nastier, because he understands where his votes are and he's trying to sort of push her into a corner. she's in a really tough situation, wolf, because if she goes too far left, and i don't think she's done that yet, but if she goes too far left, it's a problem for her if she becomes the nominee in a general election. so he knows exactly what he's doing. >> you know, mark, you're there in new hampshire. you're following this closely, following the republican side, the democratic side. bernie sanders just listed a whole bunch of examples of what h regards as nonprogressive positions taken by hillary clinton. he said among other things pleads guilty to being moderate and center, has a wall street-funded super pac, promoted fracking, opposes medicare for all, says a universal single payer system will never happen, it goes on and on and on.
continues architect of the forest regime change in libya, supported nafta, supported all sorts of stuff. how is that playing over there in new hampshire among likely democratic primary voters? >> couple things. one is bernie sanders realizes he needs to win here in new hampshire. if he can win big, that will be a big boost to his campaign. when he didn't come out of iowa with the clear-cut win. hillary clinton won it by millimeters basically she came out of iowa, but this was going to be his stronghold. the people in the clinton orbit, wolf, are telling me a couple things. one, you might want to start expect hearing hillary clinton calling herself an obama democrat, an obama progressive because many of those things that she said she was part of during his administration and we have heard her talk about that a little bit, certainly in the past few weeks. i think we're going to hear more and more of that here. also the clinton folks think that while he might have gotten a lot of help from the youth
vote in iowa and he's expected to here, they think once this race turns south, you're not going to see the fervent activity from younger voters rallying around bernie sanders' candidacy, so bernie sanders needs to do well here. they know they need to do well here because they want a bigger boost and they also want to try to convince folks that he is the viable alternative to hillary clinton. quite frankly, can start getting even more money to fuel his candidacy, wolf. >> eric, are you surprised that our entrance poll results in iowa showed that bernie -- bernie sanders really destroyed hillary clinton among the younger voters, not just younger men, but younger women as well. older voters, at least the democratic caucus goers, went with hillary clinton. are you surprised by that? >> no, because bernie sanders has a great amount of appeal with young voters. that's a critical part of the obama coalition. look, progressives don't take six-figure speaking fees from
wall street banks. that's like ralph nader taking on honorarium from ford auto dealers. you just don't do it. i think that bernie has a very potent line of attack that he's using now with respect to hillary's plans to cut the costs of going to college. he's point to some very large speaking fees that she got from both public and private universities, and his point is simply this. we need to focus on reducing administrative expenses at our universities if we're going to get the costs of tuition down. that goes right to one of hillary's big vulnerabilities, which is, is she honest, is she trustworthy or is she a hypocrite. >> gloria, as you know, bernie sanders really goes after hillary clinton, their connections to wall street. >> oh, yeah. >> the wall street money that's going to her super pac. he keeps talking about that. i spoke to brian fallon, her campaign press secretary a little while ago and he says, you know what, hillary clinton
is doing exactly the same thing when it comes to super pacs, big money, that barack obama did when he was elected and then re-elected, so that's the nature of the game. you can't unilaterally disarm against the republicans. >> well, good try, but bernie sanders isn't taking that kind of money. his average contribution is $27 and he's raised an awful lot of money, so she can say that in a general election. but against bernie sanders, it's a little bit more difficult. i think, you know, to go back to mark's point about hillary clinton and barack obama, what she's going to do tonight and what she did at our last town hall, wolf, was become hillary rodham obama, right? and she will continue to do that because he is so popular in the democratic party. more popular than bernie sanders is and more popular than she is even, and she's in the
stratosphere. and i think by tying herself to the president, saying i did this, i was with him on this, i was with him on this reform or that reform, she can do that and that can help her as she heads into the south and can help deflect some of the criticism that's coming from bernie sanders. not from real hard-core progressives, but from democrats who still like the president. >> but, mark, you hear from the hillary clinton supporters all the time that even if she does lose in new hampshire, and they'll say, look, he's from vermont, it's a neighboring state, it's his home turf and all of that, even if she loses there, she's well positioned to win the following contest in south carolina, nevada, super tuesday march 1st, all those s.e.c. so-called states in the south. is that accurate? >> it is accurate. and look, make no mistake about it, they put bill clinton down in south carolina for a reason, to help shore up south carolina for hillary clinton. she already has a big lead down there. but what bernie sanders has an enthusiasm and passion amongst
supporters, hillary clinton has that amongst her supporters but she also has an infrastructure in place. she also has been organizing in all of these states. they understand how to play the long game. not that bernie sanders' campaign doesn't, it's just not as developed, not nearly as developed, wolf, as the clinton campaign is. so, look, when they tell you that they're in it for the long game, they are in it for the long game. if you remember back in 2008, she didn't get out of the race until the first week in june versus barack obama, so the clintons have staying power and i would expect that hillary clinton is going the whole way to try to win this nomination. she will not step out. >> i remember in 2008, june 2008, they were waiting for the results from puerto rico to come in. i never thought i'd see that, but we absolutely did. let's see how long it goes this time. guys, stand by, we're awaiting cnn's democratic presidential town hall in new hampshire. anderson cooper is standing by. he'll give us a preview of what to expect as bernie sanders and hillary clinton get ready to face questions directly from new hampshire voters.
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tonight's cnn democratic presidential hall. hillary clinton and bernie sanders, they're locked in a tight race for supporters. tuesday's next new hampshire primary could propel either one toward the nomination. anderson cooper is joining us. you're the moderator for this town hall. walk us through the procedures, how this will all unfold. >> reporter: we've got more than 200 or so, 260, people here in the opera house in new hampshire. they are registered democrats and independents. independents can vote in the democratic primary and the republican primary. they plan to vote in the democratic primary next week. they're going to have the opportunity to ask questions directly to bernie sanders and then to senator clinton. it's really just a chance for new hampshire voters and frankly
voters all around the united states to get an upclose look at these candidates. it allows for more conversation between the voters and the candidates and myself and the candidates as well. >> you'll be able to ask some questions as well, anderson, and maybe follow up. is that right? >> reporter: yeah, i'll start off by asking questions about stuff that's going on in the last few days. there's been sniping over whether secretary clinton is a true progressive. we'll talk about that at some point. then i'll be able to do follow-up questions as well, but this is really about allowing voters a chance to directly interact with the candidate and get that kind of personal sense of who these candidates are. >> it's going to be exciting. who goes first, by the way?
>> reporter: senator sanders is going to go first. then secretary clinton will come out after that. >> we look forward to it. thanks for doing this very much. be sure to tune in later tonight. 9:00 p.m. eastern for cnn's democratic presidential town hall. hillary clinton and bernie sanders, they will field direct questions from the people of new hampshire. that airs tonight live 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. just ahead, we're following some breaking news. we're getting new images from north korea. they're stoking fears that k kim jung-un is developing a rock rocket. right now,
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the x1 voice remote is here. we're following some breaking news here in the "situation room." a top secret facility in north korea that shows what appear to be preparations for a rocket launch that could be carrying a nuclear warhead. >> tonight, with those new satellite images emerging, the pressure is mounting on north korea from around the world to give up this launch. don't count on them to do that. north korea could launch a rocket in a matter of days.
>> this is an attempt to build an intercontinental ballistic missile that's capable of carrying a nuclear warhead to the united states and other nations. >> reporter: the u.s. on high alert. the u.s. has advanced radar warships and aircraft stations. the air force spy plane like this one and these u.s. radars in japan also on watch. the first sign on the launch pad may be fueling of the rocket. once that happens, launch is imminent. china, one of the few governments north korea talks to, is weighing in. >> translator: we hope the north korea government will exercise caution and restraint in their actions. they shouldn't act in a way that could escalate tensions on the peninsula. >> reporter: the secretary general of the united states called for the launch to be scrapped. international shipping across asia has been warned in detail
of the path of the potential satellite launch. after launching from north korea, the first stage is supposed to drop off into the yellow sea west of south korea. then a shroud covering the satellite will drop into the east china sea. and the second stage is planned to fall into the philippine sea before the satellite goes into orbit. defenses are being deployed in japan, which is not along the path. patriot missiles are in place to shoot it down if it goes off course. in guam, the u.s. has longer range missile defenses that could also be called into action. let's take a look at some of those satellite images just into cnn a short time ago from a commercial satellite passing overhead also seeing activity at the site, seeing evidence that
the north koreans are beginning the process trying to get ready for this launch, even fueling activity. this launch could come as soon as sunday night. >> that's it for me. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront, we're counting down to the democratic presidential town hall right here on cnn. big stakes for hillary clinton and bernie sanders tonight. a full preview this hour as we count you down here in new hampshire and what the candidates need to do. breaking news tonight. donald trump accusing ted cruz of stealing the election. and the attacks getting nastier between clinton and sanders. will we see more fireworks tonight? good evening to all.