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hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield, and welcome to "legal view." one wants revolution, and the other one vows results. all the rest is pretty much in the details. and you know what they say about details, those pesky details. five days away from the nation's first presidential primary, and bernie sanders and hillary clinton gave the democratic voters of new hampshire and the nation, because it was televised nationally, all those details. and those policy distinctions. and they did a lot of them, too. and last night, cnn town hall.
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my cnn colleague, brianna keilar has the recap. >> of course we're an underdog. we are taking on the most powerful political organization in the country, and that's, you know, the clinton organization. >> only five days away from the new hampshire primary, senator bernie sanders taking off the gloves during last night's democratic town hall. jabbing secretary clinton over which candidate can claim to be progressive. >> you can't go and say you're a moderate on one day and be a progressive on the other day. some of my best friends are moderates. i love moderates. but you can't be a moderate and a progressive. they are different. >> clinton pushed back at his assertion when she took the stage. >> i said i'm a progressive who likes to get things done. and i was somewhat amused today that senator sanders has set himself up to be the gatekeeper on who is a progressive. because under the definition that was flying around on
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twitter and statements by the campaign, barack obama would not be a progressive, joe biden would not be a progressive. >> sanders forcing clinton to defend her relationship with wall street. >> i do not know any progressive who has a super pac and takes $15 million from wall street. that's not progressive. >> the former senator from new york stumbling a bit when anderson cooper asked her about her paid speeches from investment giant, goldman sachs. >> did you have to be paid $675,000? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered. so -- you know, every secretary of state that i know has done that. >> but that's -- not running for office. you must have known. >> to be honest, i wasn't committed to running. i didn't -- i didn't know whether i would or not. >> you didn't think you were going to run for president again? >> i didn't. >> clinton tackling another tough subject when an audience member asked her about her vote for the war in iraq. >> what have you learned since that vote that could give me
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confidence that you wouldn't make a mistake of that magnitude again? >> oh, i think that's a very fair question. you know, i did make a mistake, and i admitted that i made a mistake. >> that mistake, one that senator sanders has repeatedly gone after. >> the key foreign policy vote of modern american history was the war in iraq. the progressive community was pretty united. in saying don't listen to bush. don't go to war. secretary clinton voted to go to war. >> but clinton, standing firm. >> all i can do is to just get up every day and work to do what find ways to help people, whether it's on mental health or addiction or autism or student loans. whatever it might be. and i trust the american people. i trust the people of new hampshire. to see my lifetime of work and
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service and to sort out all of the static and to know that i will work my heart out for you. >> hearts and minds are what elections are supposed to be about. and i want to talk about this particular election and all those different hearts and minds out there with cnn political commentators, hard of hearimarg progressive radio host, and bernie cohen. and that whole progressive in your title is going to be very helpful. >> definitely progressive. >> here's what i don't understand. first of all, i'm -- new hampshire voters are a different animal. really sophisticated, so all of that lingo and all of the real subtleties of the lingo may play well there. but when you start going across the nation, sometimes they can't answer who the vice president is. so the difference between progressive and progressive with results becomes a little more arcane and difficult. with that in mind, when, ladies, did being a moderate become a dirty word in liberal politics?
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you can both have at her. >> you're the progressive. >> it is, right? in other words, liberalism has become, you know -- frankly, was bill clinton that helped to sully the sort of meaning of liberalism, right? it was passing the defense of marriage act against gay mrriage. it was supporting nafta and free trade that decimateded jobs here and abroad. it was welfare, quote, unquote, reform that kicked people off of welfare and slashed the welfare roles. these are the kinds of things that progressive democrats want to move away from. and frankly, want to move the party away from. >> so, you know what -- you know i love you. but what you're seeing in sally is something of a corollary on the right for a long, long time. the two sides of the party -- i sound like my husband -- are getting apart. because there are these purity tests on the far right and left. you're starting to see this on the new left and the rise of this new progressive movement that believes that climate change is the worst problem facing the united states of america. they want to get rid of
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obamacare, because it wasn't single-payer, pure enough. and there's these new purity tests on the left that i think have made being a pragmatic leader a real -- to vulnerability -- >> something from last night, when bernie sanders was asked about negative ad campaigning, because this whole progressive business is exactly what the question was about. he started to insert that into his ads, and some say that it's a negative campaign. but here's what bernie sanders' answer was when he was asked about it last night. >> it's unfortunate, in politics, and everybody should know this. what media often wants you to do, and you're asked this question and i'm sure it's the same for secretary clinton. beat her up. some up with something terrible, attack her. because that will make the news. i have tried my best not to do that. you're looking at a guy who has been in politics a long time. [ cheers and applause ] and i have never run a negative ad in my life. and i look forward to never running a negative ad in my life.
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>> it's kind of a true/false thing. because he did say, i don't know any progressives out there who hasn't taken money from wall street and voted for the iraq war. >> you're not attacking a personality. >> words have meaning. >> my question, is this going to be helpful to hillary clinton, because you do have to moderate. >> first of all, words have meaning. progressive is different than moderate. and if hillary clinton is a progressive, then i'm che va gar va. >> yes or no? look, bernie sanders is proving his reason for existing here. his reason for existing is putting a flag in the sand for the progressives. hillary clinton will win by being a pragmatic progressive. >> so last night anderson cooper asked hillary clinton specifically, as well, about the speaking fees. bernie sanders ran that ad, saying i don't know a progressive that accepts money from wall street. and anderson asked her about speaking fees that she got from goldman sachs. let's listen. >> look, i made speeches to lots
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of groups. i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> but did you have to be paid $675,000? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered. so -- [ laughter ] you know, every secretary of state that i know has done that. >> but that's usually ones in office and not running for office again. >> i'm out here every day saying i'm going to shut them down, i'm going after them. i'm going to jail them if they should be jailed. i'm going to break them up. i mean, they're not giving me very much money now. i can tell you that much. >> okay. i have a little fact check here. i don't know what very much money is to mrs. clinton. but apparently -- and i'm going to tell you right now, from the center for responsive politics, since she declared in april, hillary clinton's campaign, whether it's her campaign or the super pacs, has received $17.2 million from the securities and investment industry, which to me says wall street, i don't know if it is or isn't, but margaret hoover, you can't say that republicans don't get tons of money from wall street too. >> the vulnerability for her, is
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the median income for a family of four in the united states is $52,000. so in one speech, she's making $250,000. this is an issue of being unrelatab unrelatable. this an issue of you're running against potentially marco rubio or even frankly, barack obama only paid off his student loans. >> colin powell is relatable and condoleezza rice is relatable. >> cruz got a loan for his -- a little guy. ted cruz got a loan for his campaign from goldman sachs. look, the reality is, this is a healthy debate they're having in the democratic party. but against the republican candidates, who are all right wing extremists out of touch with the majority of the american people. i'm sorry, but you have every major republican candidate wants to roll back women's health. wants to give more power to big business. you know, send more jobsover cease. >> so the pragmatic progressive? >> i'm saying, we have two good, strong substantive candidates here arguing about how to help the working people. >> she is taking money from the
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big banks and then -- >> i don't like it. >> vulnerability here. and that is, again, i'm going to start with that point i made off the top of this segment and that is that bernie sanders' ad said, i don't know a progressive who takes money from wall street and voted for the war in iraq. she was asked by anderson last night again about that vote. we're talking over a decade ago when she was a senator. and she voted to give the president authority to make the decision to invade iraq unilaterally. and have a listen to the answer. >> i did make a mistake. and i admitted that i made a mistake. and in large measure, that mistake really arose from the -- the bush administration's approach to what they thought they could accomplish in iraq. the very explicit appeal that president bush made before announcing the invasion, that getting that vote would be a strong piece of leverage in order to finish the inspections.
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>> okay. so that lovely lady who asked the question was not anderson cooper, that was an audience member. great question. >> and the person who answered it -- like elmer fud? >> gloria borger and a lot of watchers, those voters last night asked brilliant questions and were very engaged. they need to be super engaged to understand the answer to this question. it is not an easy question, it is not an easy answer. the united nations is involved. the chief weapons inspector for the u.n. is involved. this is tricky. can it get lost in the details? >> no. what they -- what the questioner said is, how can you convince me that you won't make that bad decision again. and she didn't actually answer the question. what she did was give the excuse for why she made the vote. and what she said was incredibly, as you mentioned -- it was a winding answer about how actually, she voted for the authority to go to war so we wouldn't go to war, we would still look for wmds, which frankly, in my opinion, one has
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to suspend disbelief. >> we agree. and again, not progressive. this was a very cut and dry issue. >> so i want to know what your highlights were from last night. my highlights were those voters. those questions were so smart and so well-versed and so well-put. >> frankly, the gentleman who asked about the end of care, he is going to be facing end of care -- end of life health care decisions himself and then asked about this. you know, you could see actually even hillary clinton got a bit upset. there were real moments of vulnerability. and it's quite poignant to have somebody, you know, who is facing end of care decisions, asking a politician about it. they may not be around to see the politician execute on those policy decisions. >> what do you think? >> no candidate is a monolith. but here you have hillary clinton, historically one of the most pro wall street, hawkish candidates to come out of the democratic party, being made to try and account for being a progressive and distance herself from those views. that's a success, not only for bernie sanders, but for the voters and the movement the he represents. and it's nice to see this kind of substantive debate happening
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among democrats, compared to the hot mess on the other side. >> i did enjoy watching last night. i thought it was a great tone. anderson did a great job. the voters, again, were the winners on that one. it was just terrific. >> good forum. >> margaret, appreciate it. thank you. sally, thank you. >> i was going to make sure you appreciated me too. >> i appreciate you every day. okay. so is the youthful swell of support for bernie sanders really all about bernie? or is it also about rejecting clinton? and which one of them really has the best chance of beating a republican nominee? we're going to dig into those questions, next. these are my dogs dusty and cooper. i work for the dogs twenty-four seven. i am the butler. these dogs shed like crazy. it's like being inside of a snow globe. it takes an awful lot of time to keep the house clean. i don't know what to do. (doorbell) what's this? swiffer sweeper and dusters. this is nice and easy boys. it really sticks to it.
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in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp. don't wait. call now. at least for now, the youth vote is one monumental distinction between the two democratic candidates for president. 84% of voters under the age of 30 turned out for bernie sanders in this week's caucus in iowa. caucuses in iowa were well-attended and that number is not good if you're hillary clinton. in new hampshire, a new cnnwmur poll shows that two-thirds of voters aged 18 to 34 favor bernie. that democratic socialist from
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neighboring vermont. again, youth vote is key. and last night's cnn town hall, sanders said his message simply resonates with america's new turnoff by politics. but hillary clinton says she looks at demographics differently. >> i think -- here's what i want young people to know. they don't have to be for me. i'm going to be for them. it doesn't really matter. if they -- if they are not supporting me, i will be their president. i will do everything i can to give them the opportunities they deserve. >> what we are trying to do, and i would tell you, anderson, with some success, is bring working people, and young people, and lower income people into the political process. and when that happens, we will raise the minimum wage. we will have health care for all people. we will make public colleges and universities tuition-free. >> from manchester, new hampshire, i'm now joined live by lewis miranda, communications direct for for the democratic national community. thank you, lewis, for being on
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the program today. i've got to ask about these numbers. it is remarkable when you see that divide between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. the youth vote in your state right now, if you believe the polls reading up, has them at 66% for sanders, 25% for clinton. and i'm wondering if all the research that you and your team are doing with the dnc there, if those numbers are reflective in your research too. >> well, i think one of the things we're seeing in our research is that people are enthusiastic and increasingly focus in on this election. if we go back to iowa on monday, one of the numbers we are focused in on, very exciting, we had two candidates, hillary clinton and bernie sanders, drive out 171,000 people. almost as many as 11 republicans. so just think about that. two democrats versus 11 republicans and the turnout was virtually the same. that's really significant, because it showed that our candidates are able to energize people. yeah, of course, there's going to be differences in terms of the demographic split they have.
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secretary clinton had certain advantages in certain demographics. senator sanders had advantages on his end. the energy and enthusiasm is there. that's important for us. after a town hall last night where you really saw the candidates come in with a lot of energy, we think we're going to see a spirited debate tonight on msnbc as well with these two candidates. and i think what that's going to show is energy into the general election. >> enthusiasm is great. and turnout is great. sometimes. not every campaign wants that. and when you have those numbers like those youth numbers, that's troublesome for secretary clinton. let me show you the numbers for independent voters in new hampshire. because what we've got here is another big spread for sanders, independents are 72%. and only 15% for secretary clinton. here's the question. with numbers like that, what's going to happen with the 41% of people who said they're still not sure what they want to do,
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and we're only five days out? >> well, that's a great question. but for us, i think it also speaks to an important dynamic here. let me make clear, the dnc is neutral in this process. we don't take sides. i leave to the campaigns to parse out the numbers and how they affect their particular campaigns. for us, we see an important dynamic coming into new hampshire, because we're going to see a very independent vote. this is not in the same vein as iowa. and what you had coming out of iowa was the four top vote-getters on the republican side were very conservative, very far right. whether you look at, you know, ted cruz, ben carson and donald trump, who are all caught up in this turmoil over election fraud yesterday, where marco rubio, who spent the week touting far-right endorsements for people who like him, don't support abortion, even in the cases of rape and incent, we don't think that's going to play well in a state like new hampshire. and the republican parties in a situation right now where they don't have any moderate candidates picking up steam who have any energy with their voting base. so we feel pretty good about the fact that if our candidates are
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energizing, whether it's senator sanders energyizing young people, whether it's secretary clinton energizing her supporters, we feel that we're going to come out of this being able to gel together and bring our voters together, in a way that republicans just can't, because they've had to move so far to the right that they just don't have any mainstream establishment candidates. >> can i ask you, i'm always fascinated with the demographics in new hampshire. and i can't say it enough. i was so impressed with the voters i saw last night in the town hall. i'm sure you were too. they were bright, they were articulate, they were thought lful and they were varied. that new hampshire, you can't avoid the fact some of the most recent polling has hillary clinton 18 points behind bernie sanders. listen, back in '08, she was more than ten points behind barack obama. and she came back just in a matter of days, and actually ended up winning that state. do you see any -- >> that's what's great about elections. >> -- the same dynamic this time around? >> that's what's fascinating
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about elections and why it's exciting to watch. and our candidates are definitely generating enthusiasm. so we expect that the numbers are going to move. they're going to tighten up. just as they did in iowa. but, again, i'm not here to represent the clinton campaign. i'm here to talk about the fact that we have candidates who here in new hampshire are really motivating voters, and they're doing it because of what you saw at the town hall last night. they understand and they respect the struggleses, the hopes, the aspirations of the people you're talking to. when you have folks talking about something as personal as what we heard, whether it was even the medicinal marijuana question. very personal issues. and you have candidates who are thoughtful, respectful about it, and they're actually providing answers that are substantive. i think that's the big difference we're seeing. where on the republican side, you're not hearing substance. you hear everybody sort of go back to carpet bombing, or to, you know, ted cruz was asked a question about flint, michigan. and he went on a rant about anti poverty programs. there is just no reality, no connection to the struggles of people on the republican side, so when you see things like last
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night, where voters come with the real concerns, and you have candidates like bernie sanders and hillary clinton who actually address their questions, we think that that vote is pretty well for us as a party going into the general election. >> luis miranda, great to have you. thank you so much for being live on the program. >> thank you. coming up next, all of the top republican contenders say they are the one who are most qualified to beat bernie sanders or hillary clinton, come november. including this man, donald trump, who is doing something on the campaign trail today that he has not done before. wondering what that is? we're back after this. jay knows how to keep nice shorts, dad...g. this is what the pros wear. uhhh... that's why he starts his day with those two scoops in heart healthy kellogg's raisin bran. ready to eat my dust? too bad i already filled up on raisins. kellogg's raisin bran. deliciously heart healthy. or if you're young or old.are if you run everyday, no matter who you are a heart attack can happen without warning. if you've had a heart attack,
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the republican candidates are going at it, hammer and tongs in new hampshire today. right now, donald trump is speaking, and also during this hour, chris christie will have an event. ted cruz will have an event. marco rubio, all expected to be up and live during the lunch hour. meetings and greetings and rallies and pitching themselves in their plans. these dwindling days before the first elimination primaries. but look who no longer has to do any of that. just in the past four days, the list of presidential candidates is down by four. the democrat, martin o'malley. republicans, rick santorum, mike huckabee and senator rand paul no longer running. they also suspended their campaigns in the face of poor polling and the effect on their campaign coffers. can't run if you're not getting the bread. dana bash is in exeter, new hampshire, at a trump event
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there where money is never an issue. listen, i've got to ask you, dana. much has been discussed about donald trump's ground game in iowa. even he admitted he didn't do exactly what he needed to do and yet it does not seem much has changed as he heads into new hampshire. >> reporter: well, it's funny you say that. he has been speaking for the past 20 minutes and it's quite a different speech. let's start there. no insults. no polls. usually, historically has started his speeches just reading the polls about how great he is doing. it's really been so far back to basics, ashleigh. why he's not bought and sold by lobbyists. why he can do things without being beholden to sort of big money people like other politicians are. and then he went into the issue that he admits put him on the political map for republicans, which is illegal immigration, and then he started to do what
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you've got to do in a place like new hampshire, which is take questions. i think he's -- if i'm hearing over my shoulder, well, he's taking a second question here. so actually, is striking what a different tone so far we're hearing from donald trump, especially given the fact that last night he was in arkansas, hurling insults at ted cruz about a whole host of things. not right now. it's quite note worthy. >> keep your eye on that whole ground game issue. there is a lot of talk that he still has to get the machine in place, that wasn't in place perhaps in iowa. it's different to do rallies than have those workers and that data and that whole political machine going. that's the big criticism right now of his workings. dana bash, thank you for that. we'll let you get back to the speech. candidate donald trump is going to join anderson cooper in new hampshire. that will be 8:00 p.m. eastern, right here on cnn. free college. boy, that sounds good. no more health care premiums.
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thing i hear about you is that you're going to raise taxes on the middle class. i support my family on a salary of $41,000 a year. i'm wondering if you raised my taxes, how does that help me? >> can i stand up? >> you can do whatever you want. >> chris, thanks very much for that good question. this is what we are going to do. the united states is the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people, and we end up spending far, far more per capita on health care as do the people of any other country, canada, u.k., france, whatever. what we are going to fight for is a medicare for all single-payer program, which would provide comprehensive health care to your family and every family in america. so let me tell you what we do. we raise your taxes if you're somewhere in the middle of the economy, about 500 bucks. but you know what we're going to do for health care? we're going to reduce your health care costs by $5,000.
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>> well, that just sounds awesome. christine romans from cnn money joins me now to really put some reality checks on this. because i read the piece that cnn money did today and my head was spinning. there is a possibility here, if you crunch the numbers, that this kind of a plan -- just for the health care, could add to deficits between 3 and $14 trillion? >> right. so the campaign says they're going to be able to raise taxes on, for example, investors and on high net worth individuals and on the middle class, raise taxes for everybody, and be able to pay for this. the number crunchers at the committee for responsible federal budget says no. best-case scenario, there is a $14 trillion hole. and here's what's so interesting about this. you're talking about a top tax rate of 85% for the richest americans. 85%. which even some liberal economists say that starts to -- that's not great for the economy to have such a high tax rate there. >> because the rich folks who say you're taxing me at 85%?
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i'm out of here. i'm going to stop working or i'm moving to the bahamas. >> also the taxes on investment income. just higher taxes all around. now bernie sanders and his whole philosophy is this is worth it if you can get the system to be more efficient. if you can get the gunk of the insurance companies out of the system and people can, you know, have free health care. not have to pay out of pocket for health care. but overall, this is resonating, by the way. especially young people. >> young people want free college. we haven't even discussed the cost of free college. do we know those numbers yet? >> there's a lot of questions about those numbers. but the philosophy is to have wall street shall again, pay for that. every kind of speculative trade would have a tax that would pay for this. so states would pay a third of it. two-thirds would come from the federal government. and that would be paid for by this tax on wall street. he says, you know, the american taxpayer bailed out the banks after the financial crisis. well then the banks should be responsible for making sure kids can graduate from college without debt. he goes farther than hillary clinton. hillary clinton says you should be able to graduate from a state university without debt. that's what we would like to get
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toward. he wants you to be able to go for free. big question is about how many people come into the system then and whether the states can afford it. >> hillary was getting $17.2 million in campaign contributions for her campaign or super pacs from the securities and investment industry in the last year. bernie has had less than 50,000. >> not even a rounding error. the securities industry, even the ceo of goldman sachs yesterday on cnbc said this is a dangerous moment when you have a candidate calling out banks in particular like this. >> christine romans with the reality check. appreciate it, as always. up next, progressive or conservative? republican or democrat? all politicians are still people, no matter what they're labeled. do you need the proof? because we have it. a few rare personal moments with bernie, hillary, just ahead. caring for someone with alzheimer's means i am a lot of things. i am his guardian. i am his voice. so i asked about adding once-daily namenda xr to his current treatment for moderate to severe alzheimer's.
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with primary season full swing now, every day we get our fill and more of talking points and policy and debate and attacks and partisan rhetoric. and rarely do we actually get a glimpse into the candidates' personal lives. their moments. whatever makes them real people instead of animatronic
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politicians on the stump. last night, we got something. we did it. anderson cooper actually did it. he asked the contenders about their real stuff. their family, their faith and even their cars. >> i've had to be in public dealing with some very difficult issues. and personal issues, political, public issues. regardless of how hard the days are, how difficult the decisions are, be grateful. be grateful for being a human being. being part of the universe. be grateful for your limitations. know that you have to reach out to have more people with you to support you, to advise you. listen to your critics. answer the questions. >> everybody practices religion in a different way. to me, i would not be here tonight. i would not be running for president of the united states if i did not have very strong religious and spiritual feelings. i believe that as a human being,
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the pain that one person feels, if we have children who are hungry in america, if we have elderly people who can't afford their prescription drugs, you know what, that impacts you, that impacts me. and i worry very much about a society where some people spiritually say, "it doesn't matter to me. i got it, i don't care about other people." >> of course, it would have to end with seeing my granddaughter, because that's the creme de resistance. >> what does they call you? >> she calls me grandma. she is working really hard on words, and it was -- it was so thrilling sunday morning, i'm getting ready and, bill and i are having coffee and everything. so chelsea brings her in, and she sees me, and she goes "grandma!" and honest to goodness, the caucus could have ended right there. i would have been perfectly happy saying the best thing has happened to me. >> what kind of car do you actually have? >> i have a small chevrolet.
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it is one of the smallest chevys that they make. >> do you know what year it's from? >> yeah, it's about five years old. >> okay. not bad. >> a red car. >> is it true you chop your own wood? [ laughter ] >> pretty good on mileage, but yeah. >> is it true you chop your own wood? >> i wouldn't go that far. [ laughter ] people in vermont and new hampshire would laugh at me. what i do do, we have a wood stove and i -- you know -- >> i think he won me over with the wood stove. i grew up with a wood stove. i love that he has a wood stove. >> and he's also very authentic about the fact he doesn't chop the tree down but does split the wood. >> every time i split wood, i get a bad back. >> brooklyn. >> i wanted to get your take. you guys watch these guys all of the time. you're always watching for policy points and debate points, but you don't get this very often. did much resonate with you? did you think it was scripted, sally? i know you're forever the --
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>> it's very hard here in our little media bubble to turn off our cynicism. i feel like sometimes we're professional cynics. and you know, look, i thought they were really genuinely human moments, where you could tell -- you could tell sanders wasn't prepared to be asked what kind of car he drives. he would have studied and known the model. you could tell that hillary was genuinely excited to see her grandchild and her her grandchild call her grandma. >> do they not tell their candidates, do more of this when you're out there? >> for as much as you think that, you know, the staffers and the handlers and all these people inform what happens from the candidate, the direction and the tone really just come from the impulse of the candidates. and that's -- the staff take their cues from that. it's top-down, not bottom-up. >> there's advice. people are watching polls, people are watching television. she is not able to watch television all of the time. he is not able to watch television all of the time. >> margaret is right.
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you know her campaign has been trying for a long time to reshape her to be more warm and funny. and you captan't work -- >> you said yourself that hillary is different in small groups and big groups. and i personally have been in a very small group where she is a very different person. >> electric, warm, connecting. >> what about her husband? >> it's different. every person is better or different or has different strengths and weaknesses. she has always had more trouble playing to a larger stage. she is the inverse of obama. obama can come off as terse and cold in a small group and is magnetic in a larger space. >> at the end, you learn things you hadn't heard before. like i didn't know bernie sanders had a band. and that this band has an album. and this album apparently is going nuts. >> yeah. >> on amazon. it's selling like pop tarts. apparently sally is buying it right now. >> it's going gangbusters. >> and then he splits his own wood. and the story about her grandchild. of course that helps humanize
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her. >> do you have any idea, real quickly, why a gruff, 74-year-old guy, who just doesn't play to anybody necessarily, or -- it seems like he doesn't care if you don't like his answer. why he's doing well with young people. >> exact same thing as ron paul. #authenticity. there is an authenticity factor heir him, he believes what he's says and do what he says and he's done it his whole life. that's number one. and number two, the millennials have been hit by the recession more than anybody else. >> you don't think it's because she is offering freebies to people who have never had to pay taxes before? >> no, it's not true. these are young people who are demographically more progressive and like his economic message. and they like the messenger. but it's really what he's saying. >> sally cohen, margaret hoover, thanks, ladies. i know it's a busy season, thanks for your time. >> happy to be here. >> back to the race to the white house shortly. but first, bill cosby's lawyers are mad. and they're saying as much to the judge, saying the judge got
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don't settle for u-verse. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. this just in. a judge has denied bail for a virginia tech student who was charged as an accessory in the murder of a 13-year-old girl. i'm talking about natalie keepers, charged with accessory before and after the fact. yes, before and after. as well as disposing of the body. prosecutors says that her state of mind was, quote, excited to be part of something secretive and special. 3:00 p.m. this afternoon, level will be laid to rest. investigators believe she was planning to expose an inappropriate relationship she
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had with the suspect in the case, david eisenhower. a law enforcement official says investigators also believe that eisenhower stabbed her to prevent this secret from getting out. we'll continue to cover that story for you as developments come in. and then there's this. the influential, powerful and once beloved tv patriarch, bill cosby, has lost an epic battle. this one with a pennsylvania judge. it's a loss that could lead to one of the biggest celebrity criminal trials of our time. and that includes oj. because a judge ruled that a woman named andrea constad and her sexual assault case can and will go forward. by the way, this is not civil, this is criminal. they say for their part, this decision was all wrong and they plan to appeal it. michael smerconish joins me, live now from philadelphia. i would like you to put your lawyer hat on, and your
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philadelphia lawyer hat on, michael smerconish, if you can. because i found this to be very strange. there seemed to be a lot of politicking going on in that courtroom. these were prosecutors against prosecutors, deals that were made that were said not to be made in the right way, and ultimately a judge came down. is there any politics to this, or is this just straight up a seriously good criminal case? >> even the judge said, ashleigh, this is a unique situation. and when he went looking for case law to see whether the old d.a. could bind the new d.a. in a nonprosecution agreement, one that was not written down, he said that he couldn't find any. which goes to your original point, there will be an appeal in this case. are politics at work here? well, the lack of prosecution of bill cosby was absolutely a campaign issue in the most recent race for d.a., where the old d.a. was trying to reclaim his job. and both men used this as campaign commercial fodder against one another. so, yes, there's politics
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involved. >> okay. so then let's just talk about -- if we can get past appeal and let's just say the appeal doesn't go cosby's way either. then we're into an actual case. and the arguments that i've been hearing up until now is that bruce caster, that old d.a., never felt like he had enough. he didn't have the goods to actually make this thing happen for him in court. to get a prosecution to get a conviction. so what's changed? is there something new that happened? is there something secret? is there something better that today's prosecutors could bring against cosby that maybe caster didn't know about? >> well, first of all, you're correct in saying that caster said that he didn't believe that he could meet his criminal burden beyond a reasonable doubt back in 2005. and let me give you some local insight. bruce caster was known as a tough d.a. ashleigh, he never met a camera he didn't like. and this type of a high-profile prosecution, the caster that i know would have relished the opportunity to go after bill cosby. so when he says he didn't think
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he would meet his burden, it rings true to me. and he says, therefore, he wanted a clearer path for andrea constad to do well in her civil case. he actually testified on monday he would have liked to have seen her become a millionaire. so because he announces he's not going to prosecute cosby, cosby now gives that infamous civil deposition, does not invoke a fifth amendment right and says incriminating things. and so to your question, what's new, well, the deposition is new. but i'm not convinced that deposition is still going to come in, because judge o'neill yesterday in saying the case can continue, left the door open for challenge. >> yeah, you know what, i'm going to say this. when you read those words over and over again, i could come up with a million different contexts for those words, as well. so i think there's a robust defense, as well. but let's not jump to that. we have still the appeal to get through. and michael smerconish, you should be on this show more often. can you do that? >> i'm here. as long as i'm off radio, i'm
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yours. >> i love that. thanks, michael. good to see you. and thank you, everyone, for watching. my colleague, wolf blitzer, takes over the helm right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 4:00 p.m. in rio de janeiro. 8:00 p.m. in syria. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. up first, presidential politics here in the united states and the mad dash for votes in new hampshire. republican candidates, they're crisscrossing the state right now, just five days before the first of the nation primary. most of the candidates have multiple campaign events in new hampshire today. they're also sharpening their attacks on one another ahead of tuesday's primary. but texas senator ted cruz says he's taking the high road.


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