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>> you saw a whole different side to donald trump but there's more to the story and anderson is here for that. and crihristie versus rubio. and who will end up on top? it is a very busy night tonight. let's begin with anderson cooper. he is in new hampshire for us. you just sat down, had an in-depth interview with donald trump. how does he seem just five days away from this primary in new hampshire? >> he is certainly seems confident. he's changed his strategy on the ground here. we've seen him doing large scale rallies with thousands of people. he's doing much more retail politicking here in new hampshire, smaller events. we met in a diner where we asked him questions and also some local voters, republicans and independents were able to ask him requests as well.
wuch but he had already done four or five smaller events earlier today. it's a sign of the adjustment he's making, he would clearly like to win here in new hampshire. the latest cnn poll does have him in the lead with rubio in second place. he's not attacking, at least not today, attacking rubio and cruz as we have seen in the past. whether that's going to change over the next couple days remains to be seen. with you he certainly seems to be enjoying himself and he's definitely mixing it up with people. as soon as our interview was done, he spent time in the diner talking to the people. he spent a good deal of time talking with them, posing for photographs. >> we've seen video of him today, being more personable, taking this more seriously and just to look back just for a moment, did you talk to him
about aiowa and ted cruz and being disappointed in? how did he seem about that? >> he clearly no longer wants to talk about that. i asked him questions about ted cruz, about contacting iowa officials about having a redo. he sort of indicated he's moved on, he's done with it, he's moving forward. clearly he tweeted what he tweeted, he felt ted cruz behaved inappropriately wuchbut wants to move on. >> there's new cnn poll that shows you doing well. how's it feel sh. >> it feels great. i have friends up here. >> in new hampshire, you're doing more smaller events.
you've had four or five already today, events like this with people up close, asking you questions specific that a strange in strategy? if so, why? >> i don't think so. i just feel very comfortable here. have i friends that have nice houses and they invite me over to dinner and they would anyway, whether i was doing this or not but there's a dpret levgreat le comfort in new hampshire for me. >> marco rubio has jumped to second place. could he be more of a threat than ted cruz? >> i don't know. i guess in the polls we do pretty well. but i don't know who is second. are you saying rubio came in second now? >> yes, he did. >> it was sort of fun each becau -- funny because they said he was third and me they were
disappointed. i got the most votes in the history for the republicans. we had a huge turnout. i must say, i really enjoyed iowa. but this is -- there's a different feeling here, with the people, with the crowds. you probably saw the crowd i had this morning. it's incredible. >> how important is it for you to win here? >> well, i'd love to win because i like to win. my life is about winning. when you come in second out of 11 people -- actually 17, many dropped out, let's say you're second out of 17, that's good but i would love to be number one in new hampshire. my whole thing is make america great again, anderson. there's so many things we can do to take back our country because we're losing our country. we're doing deals that are so ridiculous, the deal with iran where we're handing over $150
billion and we get nothing. so many horrible things are taking prays. -- place. if you look at trade with china, we're going to make for them this year $500 billion. we can't do it. we can't afford this. mexico. japan. vietnam. that's another one coming on very strong. they're coming on so strong. vietnam, you don't believe what's going on over there and they're taking our jobs, taking our money, they're taking our base, they're taking everything from us and it's not going to happen if i get elected president. >> you came in second to ted cruz. you basically accused him of fraud, of stealing the election in iowa, you talked about wanting a new election. have you spoken to public party officials about that? >> i'm into new hampshire now. it was sort of a lot of strange things. i like ben carson very much and he got pretty roughed up,
although it affected me maybe more than ben. but i'm so much because i've been here for two days, i'm so much into this, into new hampshire that i just don't care about that anymore. >> but do you think ted cruz was spreading intentionally false information? >> who cares. people are looking at it. i picked up a lot of delegates. i picked up one less than he did. that's not going to be even a factor. but this is the place that i'm focuse focused. >> are you going to be focusing on rubio in speech smz. >> i may. i'm going to be doing thing i'm good at doing. my company that i built, very little debt, tremendous cash flow, some of the greatest assets of the world. i say that not in the bragadocious way. that's the kind of thinking we need this this country. we have $19 trillion in debt,
nobody know what is trillion means. mao with this horrible deal they just negotiated with the budget two weeks ago, that's going to add another $2 trillion in debt. we need somebody who has the kind of thinking i have. whether they like that thinking or don't like that thinking, we need it. >> and ted cruz said you had a trumper tantrum. did you hear that? >> i actually like that. i should trademark that term. >> i will say this. we need somebody with a strong tone. i remember on the same day hillary and jeb bush, jeb spent like $100 million and he's nowhere and he hiklikes common e
and the same day hillary clinton said my tone is tough. they're chopping off heads of christians in the middle east, isis, they're doing all sorts of things that haven't happened since medieval times they chopped och heaff heads. i haven't seen that. and you look at how mean, how much vicious it's become and i have these people saying donald trump's tone is tough. everybody's so politically correct that our country's going to hell. so we're going to turn it around and hopefully do a great job. by the way, i know we're going to did a great job. we're going to have the greatest business people. all of the great business plead leaders, we're going to lose a lot of companies. pfizer is leaving, they can't get their money back in the country because of stupidity. democrats and republicans, they can't take it back. they're leaving the country. we're losing some of our
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anderson's sit-down interview with donald trump as trump takes questions from new hampshire voters. >> i want to you meet brian tilton. is there hi, brian. >> he said he's leaning towards you -- >> oh, you have to have dinner with me tonight. >> what's your question? >> since obama care passed, i've lost my health insurance throw times. >> many people have. >> my out of pocket expenses are sky high, i'm maxed out this year because i had surgery a
couple months ago, and i don't have my doctor anymore because of obama care. i heard you say of you want to repeal remaand replace it with? >> they did the $5 billion web site that didn't work. i have web sites everywhere that cost 15 cents if you know how it do them. i'm the only self-funder in this whole race on democrat or republican. the only self-funder, anderson. i'm putting up my own money. when i come up here, it's costing me, not costing the public. worse than the public, it's the insurance companies, putting up money for all of these people, the oil companies are putting up money, the drug companies are putting up money. i'll tell you a quick story about that in a second. we're going to take down the
borders. >> so specifically for health care? >> for health care. because what happens is the health care companies, the insurance companies are putting up -- they put up rtremendous money for obama and others running for office. i have big businesses in florida, new york, california, when i bid out my stuff, i don't get any bids because if i want to have somebody from let's say new hampshire bid, a good insurance company bid from my new york business, they can't do it ne it, they just doesn't it, they -- our southern borders should be so strong. it gives monopolies to insurance companies inside of various states bh stays. when you take that down -- an insurance company would rather have a monopoly in one state than have bidders all over the
place. >> would somebody like brian be able to save money? >> he would save money. and you could tailor it. premiums have gone up under obama care, 25, 30, some over 50%. people have lost everything because of health care. obama is a disaster. and we have lots of alternatives. the problem that this country has had until me is that the presidents and all of the people that are doing this are all taken care of by the insurance companies. me, i don't care. i'm a free agent. >> you talked about taking brian to dinner. mean you'll take him to dinner at timothy's restaurant. timothy baines is a restaurant owner. he's still undecided. >> i own a small restaurant here in manchester and i interact with young people on a daily basis. it's clear they don't trust washington.
>> i don't either, timothy. less than anybody maybe. >> it's a polarized environment and i feel hike a lot of that is because of our most recent two presidents. what tools will you bring to the table to able to work with people on both sides of the aisle? >> in manhattan i built a tremendous company. i built really a city on the west side of manhattan, goes from 72nd street to 59th street. hi to get zoning. i was told it was impossible. i bought the land inexpensively because people said it was impossible to ever get it done. ism got it zoned for an almost 6,000 unit job, thousands and thousands of parking spaces and it's been a tremendous success. they can a great job. to get that zoned and get that taken care of, you can negotiate anything. i just got the old post office
on pennsylvania avenue. i'm building a hotel. every major company in the country wanted that hotel company and i got that. who did i get it from? the obama administration if you think about it, i had a great plan, i had a great balance sheet, i got it from obama. >> politically, though, you're polarizing. wuch you' but you're saying once you get to washington -- s >> i get along with people. >> is compromise a dirty word? >> it's not a dirty word puff we ha -- but we have to get a much prt part of the compromise. >> some conservatives worry you'll make deals too much, that you'll compromise too much on principles. >> i'm not a huge compromiser. i make great deals. >> is it more important to get a
deal or stand on a principle? >> both. up got to get the deal down but only if it's right. on the iran deal. i would have never started negotiating that deal unless they let our prisoners go first. i would have said, fellas, let our prisoners go. i would have doubled the sanctions and now i would hawou would have gone -- >> my father used to say, son, take the lumps out. >> what does what mean? >> it means make it a little bit nicer. i'd say, fellas, we owe $19 trillion, we're a company that has no money, we can't give the 150. i'd say we can't give it. we don't have it. that's called taking the lumps out. they'll go crazy, two days later
they call back and we'll make the deal. he's starting to like me better. i think i got him. i think i'll have them both. with you what have we done with 150? they bought 118 airbus planes, not boeing planes. it's so unfair and so incompetent. >> we both lost our older brothers. what impact did that have on your hive? >> it had a great impact. he was a great guy, he was the most handsome guy, he was the life of the party. >> he was a pilot. >> he was a pilot. but he got hooked on alcohol. i told him p his family, i said his legacy is great, he got hooked on alcohol, just hooked.
and ultimately it just was devastating. that's why i don't drink. i don't drink. i don't drink, i don't smoke cigarettes, i don't take drugs. those are the three good things. i won't tell you the bad things. but my brother, fred, was a great guy. he had everything. i mean, the most handsome guy. and then he got hooked and there was nothing. by the way, nothing he could do about it. and i've seen strong people, really strong people, people that you and i know, but really strong, tough people, they can't shake the habit. the way to shake the habit is not to start. my brother used to say and he knew he had a problem, he used to say to me, no drinking, no drugs and no alcohol. he would loeave the drugs out. i've you always said to my kids, no alcohol, no cigarettes, no drugs. with my brother, the drugs weren't like the big thing a long time ago. he'd say no alcohol, no cigarettes.
i have friends that can't quit smoking. i probably wouldn't be here talking to you today if i didn't have my brother fred because he kept me off alcohol. maybe with my kind of a personality i'd be a serious alcoholic, i just don't know. but i never had a glass of alcohol in my life only because my brother said don't you dare! he was a tough guy in his own way. don't you dare ever drink because he knew he had a problem behind passed on to me unbelievable information. >> there's donald trump. hillary clinton and bernie sanders going head to head in a heated debate in new hampshire beech ha. we have everything you need to know. back to the news.
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trump all di. what kind of reaction is he getting? >> reporter: it's interesting coming from new hampshire from iowa. the voters seem much more comfortable than donald trump they seem to like his style more. new hampshire is a different story. he has a wide lead in the polls here but he still doesn't want to take anything for granted. he's been ramping up his schedule. right now it seems like voters are responding. they like his straight talk and most of they'll tell me the fact that he is not a politician. >> kind of not a politician. he is running. let's put the poll up. in this new cnn poll, trump has top spot and then rubio. >> it was just the opposite here tonight. he didn't talk about his
opponents, there was no mention of ted cruz and marco rubio. voters said they thought what donald trump should do in the last couple days before the primary is take the high road. maybe donald trump is taking that advice, maybe he thinks because he has such a wide lead here, he doesn't have to be so nasty against his opponents or it's donald trump, maybe he'll wake up tomorrow and go after marco rubio. >> 37 of voters there say they would never vote for him. second is cruz and 7% say they'd never worry about jeb bush. how worried is the trump team about his negatives? >> reporter: i don't thinkovert. the campaign at least nationally has done a good job of driving those numbers down. the cautionary tale is when up
looked at aiowa, people who mad their decisions late did not vote for donald trump. this campaign needs to get in and convince them to be comfortable with trump and the bombastic guy they see on the campaign trail might not be the guy negotiating in office. >> you have some trump signs behind you. sanders' lead is 61% to hillary clinton's 30%. that is a pretty big divide, sara. can she close this gap? what are people saying? >> reporter: i think it's going to be really tough for hillary clinton to close this gap. perhaps because we're in a state that neighbors vermont. when we got to these trump events in new hampshire, we talked to a lot of people, especially young people, who are divided between bernie sanders
and donald trump. i think the other problem for hillary clinton is that we're looking at smaller number of democrats who have not made up their mind. it's more than 60% who are already locked in on their choice. it going to be a tough road for clinton. she'll try to close the gap a li little but that's a, very very wide margin. >> let's discuss all of this with paul winehauser. this race teams seems to be tigg up, paul. >> p. >> reporter: you're right. it's getting more interesting on the republican side. last timism talked to you, i was the first reporter to talk to donald trump when he came back here. i sensed right away he was much more humble, much more
bragadocious. you're seeing that play out on the campaign trail here. and donald trump, maybe he called it in a little bit in iowa, not calling it in in new hampshire at all. increasing the number of campaign events all week. we'll see him do a bunch more this weekend. donald trump realizes he can't afford two losses. >> he's having to work for this one, paul. there are still a lot of undecided voters as well in our poll. do you have think it's going to go down to the wire, this one? >> let's be honest. even though donald trump's numbers have slipped a tiny bit, it's still a battle for second place. marco rubio, his numbers in your poll and others have gone up this week. john kasich and jeb bush, two governors spending a lot of time
here, it's pretty much a battle for second and third places right now. for guys like kasich, bush and especially chris christie. you need a strong finish here. >> i heard someone say it's a battle from second to fifth. what are voters looking for if that is indeed true? >> there may be four or five tickets out of here. we'll find out i guess on wednesday. voters are looking for the same thing voters all across the nation are looking for. they want feel keep the country safe mangd sure their pocketbooks are okay. we're no different than anywhere else in the country. the heroin epidemic is pretty april cute in this state. the candidates have all been speaking about that a lot for months now, don. >> i've been talking about this heroin epidemic for a number of years here on cnn and it gets more serious by the minute.
speaking of what voters want. eem sure you saw the cnn democratic town hall last night. the questions from the audience were very direct, very good questions, they were detailed. how do you think connected best with the voters, paul? >> i have to make this one a draw. i think bernie sanders made some strong points, i think hillary clinton made some strong points. your forum was a great setup for tonight's debate. >> hillary clinton has to gain so much ground there to win or even come -- make a good showing. is that still possible at this stage, all? >> your poll has her down almost 2-1. other polls have her down by double digits. it you average it all together, maybe she's down 20. she kacan't afford to lose by double digits here. this used to be hillary clinton country about a year ago.
it was until this summer when bernie sanders started catching on fire here. she can do it. maybe she can get it closer at lease, do least, down to a single-digit loss. she has a strong staff and a lot of volunteers. >> could the polls be off this in new hampshire? could it be choser between bernie sanders and hillary clinton? >> sure they could be off. it was eight years ago that barack obama was up pitch about 10 or 11 points here. guess what, hillary clinton won by 4 points this 2008. so anything is possible beech saw the polls off in iowa. the only poll that matters is tuesday night on prime rich night. i was talking with senators cruz and rubio on the republican side. they're not taking anything for granted either. their ground games, operations, are in full swing here obviously. they look at the polls but realize that polls can be wrong.
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with just five days to go till the new hampshire prime rip, the gop candidates are doubling down and joining me to discuss are republican strategist. great to have all of you. kayleigh, i'm going to start with you. what's your take on trump's new strategy? new hampshire? he's actually going to his campaign headquarters and doing meet and greets. >> it's really smart, don. in iowa, it was a close enough race. you've got to ask yourself if trump would have put in the ground evident,ffort, could he closed that gap? i think he could have. so to bolster what he currently has in new hampshire, which is
an astonishing lead torque bolster that with the ground game, i think he's going to be unstoppable. i'm for donald trump when he goes after people but it's time to move on. >> trump may be changing his angle. watch this. >> if i had a choice between cruz and
trump, i think i would choose trump. the reason is that trump has proven already that he's
completely maliable. i don't think he has any fixed opinions. on the other hand, ted cruz is not maliable. he
has far right-wing opinions that are not malleable. >> he's not necessarily saying who he's supporting but ted cruz is now using that line of attack on the stump. will these attacks stick with new hampshire voters? >> i look at it as an endorsement of ted cruz. jimmer carter, -- he's using tht to support -- trump can be
manipulated >> he's not necessarily saying he's supporting donald trump. between those two guys the one that scares me the most is ted cruz. >> and guess who also that? bob dole, trent lott, the republican governor going out and telling iowa voters going against ted cruz and laughing when he thought in his bogus polls that ted cruz was declining. this ad i think is a clever attempt to show that even democratic former presidents saying that donald trump will be malleable. you're tagking what he said on camera and saying to the base,
donald trump is malleable, ted cruz is not malleable. >> i think it's a little bit of a risky strategy. new hampshire is known for more moderate positions. we have five days left. a lot of people are not going to decide which way they're going to go until the very end. that might prove risky for this particular audience in new hampshire. >> kayleigh, in this interview, anderson cooper asked donald trump is compromise a dirty word? what do you say to that in terms -- in reference to this whole jimmy carter thing? >> compromise is good when you don't compromise on your values.
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to bring her out? >> no, he never thought he was going to win in iowa. so they are executing their strategy now. they're bringing out the bushes. george bush with his ad, barbara bush out on the campaign trail with him because they're looking to new hampshire, iowa, places where the bush family is still very popular among republicans. sounds like they're doing just the right thing just the right time. >> the ad you mention ed is a pro-jeb super pac. >> the first job of the president
is to pro ttect ameri. our next president must be prepared to lead. i know jeb. i know his good heart and strong back bone. he will unite our country. he knows how to bring the world together against terror and he know when is tough measure must be taken.
experience and judgment count in the oval office. >> kelly anne, this is for you. given that
jeb has struggled with his last name, he tonight even use it, what do you think? will it help? >> i think it will help. and it could help in new hampshire and help in south carolina a little built, don, because as was pointed out earlier, the bush name is popular in many republicans circles. it certainly has some poison attached to it with some voters. as conservative who doesn't support jeb for president, i think i join millions of republicans who have deep gratitude toward the bush family. >> so why did it tack so long? >> i think it's a great
question. and why has right to rise, the jeb bush super pac done nothing it leverage the bush family, the first lady and former presidents and spent all this money attacking marco rubio? i think jeb bush is going to be under enormous pressure if he doesn't place well in new hampshire to drop out of the race and i think he'll resist those calls, go to south carolina and see how this plays out. a lot of military families and bush fans in south carolina. i think attacking his protege, marco rubio, with literally millions in negative advertising through his super pac and pulling out before south carolina would be a big mistake. >> let's look at that ad now. marco rubio hasn't accomplished one thing in his entire career, joe. he's only done one thing in the united states senate, write an amnesty bill for illegal immigrants. >> chris christie has spent the
past few months camped out in new hampshire. he's only polling at 4%. are these fresh attacks good independent december? >> -- good ideas? >> i think they're inevitable. this is a trend that's statistically significant but also christie is the one suffering in these polls and it's suggesting that rubio's polling from christie supporters. of course christie is going to be attacking him. of course he's going to want to get those supporters back from rubio. >> i'm wondering what you guys think of this moment. some people are saying it's kind of embarrassing, not sure if is the person you want supporting you. rick santorum who just dropped out was asked about rubio's accomplishments. take a look. >> what do you list at mrubio's
top accomplishment that made you endorse him? >> well, i would say there's a guy who, number one, has been able to win a tough election in florida and pull people together from a variety of different areas. >> cuan you name his top accomplishment in the senate doing something that tilted your decision to mub yoarco rubio? >> he has tremendous gifts. >> i think rick santorum got
caught off guard, he should are prepared a little better. i don't think this interview, especially on "morning joe "i is going to mean much. >> i don't know. say what you want about marco rubio, he has expect his entire adult life as a registered lobbyist or in political office. you can't point to other things he's done outside of government. >> he gets hit a lot for not doing his job. >> he missed a huge vote on the budget and he was hat a fund-raiser in new hampshire and they asked him what were you doing? he said, well, had i been, there i would have voted yes. >> let lauren go first. >> i don't think tend of the day those votes matter. those are fine points for
apolitical talking class but -- >> if he's going to run on he can be beat hillary clinton, he's got prove, lauren, he's ever beat hillary clinton on an issue. >> but he's got the same message of hope and. >> thank up for admitting he's our barack obama. i agree. >> he's missed one third of his votes in the senate, sided on hillary clinton on invading libya, he's been on the wrong side of many, many republican issues and chris christie is right to hit him here. many people will be hitting him on saturday. >> a big debate going on tonight with the democrats. we have all the analysis coming up.
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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. five days to go before the nation's first primary and clinton and saddenders take the battle to durham, new hampshire tonight. who will take the top spot on tuesday and who is the strongest candidate to go against the gop. can i call you guys the dream team again? anderson sat down with donald trump, the town hall last night and the debate that is about to end, we're going to bring all of that to you. here with me, mr. van jones, hillary rose i don't knon, bob ck