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>> >> top of the hour. i'm pop ep harlow in new york. >> i'm jake tapper unmanchester, new hampshire. >> jake has been very, very busy talking to just about with every single candidate ahead of this tuesday primary. it's the center of the american political universe this weekend, new hampshire is. two reasons. we're three days from the first in the nation presidential primary, also though, this is where seven candidates from the gop will take the stage tonight in a few hours for the next republican debate. the gop front ruper donald trump aproposing new hampshire differently than the state of iowa. new hampshire it appears trump is cramming in more appearances, taking more questions from voters. the state still very much anyone's republican prize to win. nearly a third of likely gop voters in the granite say their
vote is up for grabs. sarah murray in new hampshire, the venue for tonight's republican debate. when you look at the big picture here and you look at rubio specifically on stage tonight, ahead of that surprise in iowa, not a surprise that he came in third but a surprise how closely he came in compared to donald trump, what is the focus going to be on rubio tonight? >> reporter: the focus is going to be all these other establishment republicans, jeb bush, john kasich, chris christie, trying to blunt marco rubio, to prevent the establishment base from coalescing around him. to do that i think you're going to see candidates going after rubio's stance on abortion. he said in the first gop debate of the season he was opposed to any exceptions to abortion, that means rape, incest, life of the mother and we've seen both chris christie and jeb bush stake swipes over that. i would not be surprised if p you see that as a fault line on
the stage tonight. >> it was interesting we heard senator lindsey graham who is backing jeb bush say exactly that today when he spoke. so that's where marco rubio the focus is going to be. what about donald trump, so he skips the last debate in iowa before the caucuses. tonight he will be on stage. his one of his surrogates came on to my show and said he is going to have all of these specifics, but each anderson pressed him on that this week when they sat down. what specifics are voters going to demand from donald trump in new hampshire? >> reporter: poppy, the one thing we learned about donald trump he is completely unpredictable. while he says he is going to show up we'll have to see how involved he is when he is on stage. some of these debates he faded into the background and let his competitors fight it out. right now he has a pretty wide lead so i think that's probably what they are trying to weigh. is it better to be in the mix nighting with the other republicans or better to look
like you're above it all. what we have not seen is swhen he is taking more questions he is not fleshing out his responses, still not answering the question, for instance of what he would do on social security or what he would replace obama care with. i have to imagine that's on the minds tonight and they will try to press him for more specifics just days before new hampshire voters takes to the polls. >> i think when you've got 30% of gop primarygoer who have not decided yet and are up for grabs they want the specifics as well. sarah, we'll be there. thank you so much. over to jake tapper in new hampshire looking at strategies ahead of the big debate. jake. >> thanks, poppy. let's talk it over with margaret hoover. the stakes are high for all of the candidates. perhaps most for donald trump who skipped the last debate. had a surprising second place finish instead of first place in iowa. what would you advise him to do this evening?
>> yeah. look, i think if he doesn't win new hampshire he will slowly deflate and become sort of this non-candidate. if i were advising him before the debate he needs to double down on why he is winning in all of the polls, he is the outsider, the one not part of the rigged political system all of these guys have been part of. has to remind people that he's the independent guy who can actually make it happen and lsz that he's not beholding to anyone. that's what's going to play. this is the live free or die state. they want to know somebody isn't embedded with special interests and making his own campaign. >> he seems to have been modulated on the campaign trail, chastened, humbled. i wonder if you think he needs to bring back the bravado, even the insults. >> as we've seen is his -- his high poll ratings dip when he takes on a more presidential demeanor so he does better when he is able to throw insults at people. the populous is angry.
when he is reflecting back, what he's seeing, a more humble tone doesn't behoove his success. >> there has been a lot of blow back after ted cruz, a, put out that mailer in iowa some including the secretary of state said looked too official and shouldn't have been done the way it was, and obviously on caucus night his supporters, precinct captains told voters, caucusgoers that ben carson was taking a break, dropping out, whatever that he was not doing and nobody was reporting that he was. i wonder if it feeds into a narrative about cruz that is unflattering and might actually the victory and how he won might work against him in new hampshire. >> he risks developing this patina of the candidate who will do anything to win that nothing is below him, that dirty tricks are not below him. that's too low a blow. there is a certain dignity to the voters of iowa and new
hampshire who take the process seriously. we care about the integrity of our elected leaders. that's a hit against integrity. >> as you know, the biggest voter bloc in new hampshire is not democrats. >> independents. >> it's independents. what is interesting is there is competition for these independents not just between clinton and sanders but sanders wants them, trump wants them, kasich wants them. >> they are all competing. look. if it looks like going in sanders is going to run away with it the likelihood that independent leaning or democratic leaning independents vote for sanders actually diminishes, and they could all vote on the republican ticket. if they vote on the republican ticket their candidate is going to be the most independent leaning republican like a kasich, like a trump, not a more establishment marco rubio or jeb. potentially chris christy. his numbers haven't gotten off the ground. >> i want you to tell me of the
candidates jeb bush, john kasich and chris christie, what number of those three candidates will still be in the race in a week? >> one. >> you think one of those. >> that's my guess. but look. you look at the path, if they don't -- they have to score in the top three to have a real reason to be able to go on to south carolina, nevada and the primary. only one of them is going to make the top three. only one. jeb will still have the money so jeb, even if he does come in fourth or fifth here, he could potentially go on. okay. i'll revitz. two. two. >> we'll make it a one to two. i'll take -- not three. not all three. thank you so much. don't miss the post-debate coverage here on cnn with erin burnett and all starts in the 10:00 eastern hour only on cnn, just ahead, we will go live to an event at new england college where former secretary of state
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welcome back. you're looking at live pictures of hillary clinton, secretary of state, former s eer secretary state. holding a town hall meeting in new hampshire. she is talking about all sorts of issues, taking questions and just briefly answered a question from a student about trust and the lack of trust some voters have in her. she responded by talking about the republican attack machine and how it can work, sew doubts about somebody and undermines credibility whether it's her or other people. she also was asked about bernie sanders versus her and she noted
that senators have not endorsed her, have not endorsed him, rather, and many have endorsed her. let's take a listen. >> we have a huge climate with police brutality. so my question to you is where do you specifically stand on this movement as far as its support and what sort of leverage can you offer the country and safety net for what we can seek to have from your presidency on not sensoring our police departments but allowing others to sort of survive and be here and exist and not feel attacked. >> well, i support what the black lives movement has done and what it has meant. and i think that we need a lot more organized effort to make sure we follow through on the plans for reform. the first speech, the very first speech i gave in this campaign in new york city back in i think
late march, early april, was about criminal justice reform and ending the era of mass incarceration. and since then i have had a number of very important and frankly emotional meetings with people about this. i do put it in the larger context because it's not just police violence that is ending the lives of young people. homicide is the leading cause of death for young african-american men. and it's, yes, the well-publicized horrible cases of police killings, and it is civilian killings, gang killings, random killings. you know, a few months ago i met in chicago with the mothers of a lot of the young men and women who have been killed. some by police, some by totally random events like this
incredible young woman from chicago who came back a week after performing at president obama's second inauguration, she's across the street from her school in a park with friends hanging out, a random gun shot takes her life. you know, i spent a lot of time talking to trayvon martin's mother. you know, it's just the most -- emotionally wrenching experience to sit around a table and listen to the mothers and have them show me pictures of their children. so here's what we have to do. and i want you to think about this as two haves of trying to solve this. the first is, we must have more accountability for police action. we must have independent accountability whether it's an attorney general or a special board, but we cannot let the sense that there is no
accountability to continue. it's wrong. if somebody takes a life and they are wearing a uniform and sworn to protect the community then it has to be investigated and has to be justified or there have to be actions taken. there's more we have to do. we have to do more retraining, do more building of relationships between communities, and the police. we did that for a period of time, then it kind of fell off. we've got to reinvigorate it. and we have to have the best standards for police and make sure that they are well equipped and ready to exercise judgment that doesn't immediately lead to grabbing their gun. >> that's hillary clinton at a town hall meeting here in new hampshire. she heads into the new hampshire primary on tuesday at a disadvantage to bernie sanders who is from neighboring vermont
and has found great deal of support here. coming up next poppy will talk to a south carolina lawmaker who switched his support from one democrat to another, specifically from clinton to sanders, despite the problem many are anticipating senator sanders will have when it's time to vote down south. he has struggled to get african-american support. stay with us for that. looking for 24/7 digestive support? try align for a non-stop, sweet-treat-goodness hold-onto-your-tiara, kind-of-day. live 24/7 with 24/7 digestive support. try align, the undisputed #1 ge recommended probiotic. staying in rhythm...
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the race in new hampshire on the democrat uk side is an uphill battle for hillary clinton, no questions senator bernie sanders is obviously from the neighboring state largely favored to win there on tuesday. joining me now is justin of south carolina state representative, he has decided to endorse bernie sanders after initially throwing his support behind clinton. he says he now believes clinton represents the status quo and calls sanders bold. thank you for being with me. >> thank you for having me. absolute pleasure. >> it's also important to note for viewers especially for context you are also an attorney, you represent the family of walter scott who is fatally shot by a police officer in south carolina last year. walk me through your thinking. changing positions, going from a clinton supporter to now backing sanders. >> well, frankly, in the
beginning i never really gave bernie sanders the time of day. you know, clinton has a very high name recognition, i don't think anybody can deny that. but what i did is i took the time to look at senator sanders, the issues he was talking about and took the time to find out more about him as a person, and what i saw is that a lot of his views aligned with my own, he's also somebody for his entire career has been fighting for social justice, racial justice and economic justice. >> that's interesting that you bring it up, right, because let's play the video from back in august when he was actually booed off the stage by supporters of the black lives matter movement. he was booed off the stage, and that's when a lot of this focus started, people said look, does he have our best interests in mind in terms of the protesters in that movement. then this week our anderson cooper asked him this question. listen. >> it's interesting 54 years
ago, you were in the front lines of trying to desegregate school housing at the university of chicago, you were even arrested. >> don't tell anybody that. >> what was it that motivated a 20-year-old white kid from brooklyn to do that? >> you know, it's hard to say what motivates anybody. i think as a kid, i did -- my parents weren't political. my brother was a little bit. my parents were not. you know, like in any school you see big kids picking on little kids. i resented that. i always did. >> so clinton we know does better with african-american voters in the south, and particularly in south carolina, so representative, how do you change those voters' minds and say sanders is your man? >> well, i won't say that clinton does better with african-american voters here in the south and in south carolina, i believe that more people are familiar with the clinton name. you know, not many folks here
know anybody from vermont. what you're seeing is over time more and more people are being exposed to bernie sanders, they are finding out about him, finding out facts like he led efforts to desegregate university owned apartments at the university of chicago. they are finding out about the things he did for instance when he was mayor in vermont, and when the workers had cleared the snow from the wealthy part of town he did not let them quit and in fact, he worked with them to continue on and clear the snow from the roads in the less affluent areas of town. the more that people find out about him and who he is, and more importantly what he stands for, you're seeing the support shift. even here in the south. >> so, some call south carolina your state a firewall for hillary clinton's camp. obviously you disagree with that and you said to my colleague wolf blitzer about sanders, you said he didn't speak to me as an
older white man to a young african-american man. can you tell me more about that? is that something you felt from the clinton camp or expected to feel from sanders? why was that the tipping point for you? >> well, after finding out about bernie's background, you know, during the conversation you know, it's easy to listen to just the words that are coming out of people's mouth. you can tell a lot by the inflection in their voice, their body language. the impression i got from bernie, personally, was that it wasn't a president to a state rep, it wasn't an older white man to a young african-american person. it was just two individuals talking about things that they are passionate about, talking about issues that are important to them. it's not every day that you feel that or see that from a candidate. let me just add that you know, there is a lot of talk about a quote unquote firewall here in the south and in south carolina. you know, i sort of take issue
with that. i don't believe that it's possible that an entire race of people can be characterized as a firewall. you know, what we're going to see is that bernie is going to continue to gain momentum here, you know, it was once said if you control a man's thoughts you need not concern yourself with his actions. well, what i'm going to continue to do and what other sanders supporters are going to continue to do is to enlighten voters, enviten minority voters, enlighten older voters and let them know these are the issues, this is where bernie sanders stands. one thing about issues, poppy, when one issue steps out two more take its place. but what remains consistent is who someone is and wa they stand for. and bernie sanders has shown that his entire life all 74 years, or less since he has been in politics he has consistently stood for things that benefit the bulk of the american people.
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including reaction live from clinton's camp. >> thanks, let's talk oat ver with hillary for america press secretary brian fallon. your response to south carolina state representative and lawyer for the late walter scott justin bamberg is switching horses, secretary clinton still enjoys tremendous support according to the polls in south carolina but obviously something you are concerned about. people going to bernie sanders. >> we don't like to see that but we're still pleased with the level of support we see including in the african-american community. we know it's going to tighten including in south carolina but we are pleased by the endorsements we've gotten. this past week would have been the 21st birthday of trayvon martin and on friday his attorney who has been outspoken advocate on law enforcement and racial justice, indicated that he is supporting our campaign. previously trayvon's mother has
endorsed our campaign and later this month hillary clinton will do a meeting with a group of civil rights leaders and so we're continuing to seek to earn and reearn support in the african-american community. because we don't take it for granted and know even in that community the race will tighten. >> is it fair to say, secretary clinton tomorrow, two days before the primary is going to flint, michigan, where that town has endured tor riffic toxic water crisis, it's a size ablg african-american community. is it fair to say that some of the reason, not all, but some of the reason why she's going there is because she wants to demonstrate to the african-american community whether in south carolina or whatever that she is listening to their concerns? >> well, in the debate before this past one, the second most recent debate she actually brought up the issue of flint unprompted in her closing statement. part of what she said in those comments was that we wouldn't see what's happening in flint take place without it being addressed if it were happening in a wealthier suburban
community. >> right. >> so i think that -- >> bernie sanders said the next debate. >> appreciated him. sincerest form of flattery. i think a big part of why we feel this issue is important is because it's gotten overlooked and this is in many ways representing a community that has been voiceless up until now. there has been some news organizations that properly shone a spotlight on this but for too many weeks and months the issue went unaddressed, why the governor of that state was able to largely overlook the problems in his own back yard without being held accountable. i think a big reason why she wants to go is bring attention to the fact we can't let underserved communities issues tremendous catastrophic things like this contaminated water, we can't look the other way. she wants to be a president for everyone. >> we heard complaints about the media from the republicans, this election cycle.
do you have issues with the media? do you think that the clinton campaign and the sanders campaign are treated equally and fairly generally speaking? >> i'll leave that for others to decide. running for president is a tough task and you're going to be encountering all kinds of scrutiny. nobody knows that better than hillary clinton. that has been true of her entire career in public life. she can handle it. we've been pleased in the last few weeks to pick up endorsements of a lot of major news organizations include in iowa and new hampshire. you see "the boston globe", in iowa the endorsement of the des moines reng register. when that has happened it's senator sanders criticizing the newspapers for endorsing us. from our perspective we welcome the scrutiny and know it come as part of the job running for president. >> brian fallon, thank you so much. poppy, back to you in new york. >> thank you so much. you just heard brian and jake
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hillary clinton certainly not one to take a day off campaigning but tomorrow she will leave new hampshire, go to flint, michigan to draw attention to the city's deepening water crisis. michigan's governor rick snyder is facing repeated calls for resignation over calls that his administration may have known more. did his administration know about a possible connection between flint's contaminated water and a surge in
legionnaire's disease before that was disclosed to the public. it's a question. i sat down with michigan's governor and talked about the possible link. >> you have said to the families of flint it is my responsibility, my commitment to deliver, i give you my commitment that michigan will not let you down. there is a concern right now about the spike of legionnaire's disease and that bacteria in the water, ten people have died, as a result of it. there has been a four fold increase in the cases quadrupled in two years since the water source was switched. what do you say to them? where is your concern level? >> as soon as i learned of it we came out and publicly announced that and action steps to reinforce and put more resources in following up including because of the issue about government failures about getting more outside expertise to do the analysis. so there's a lot of steps going on to see what is the relationship between these events, they happen to have -- they happened at the same time so that clearly leads a common
sense belief they are connected. we need to do the follow-up to see whatever -- how this relates to one another and what we can do to address this also. >> sarah is with me investigating this from the beginning. this has been a long time nightmare for the people of flint. the national media and the national public i think is just becoming more aware. where do things stand? >> despite the fact that officials say lead levels in the flint drinking water dropped according to recent testing at a congressional hearing this week a heated hearing, it was clear that the people who live there are still having a lot of anxiety action a lot of worry about that water that's coming through their taps right now. >> isn't just the lead in the water that has people in flint upset and on edge. >> they look like you skid on the tarmac for five miles. it would feel that way too. >> rashes, like these, on melissa and her three boys.
>> when you would try to put lotion on the rashes it would burn like a chemical burn. this isn't right. >> it feels like you're dipping your arm in like iron, like melted iron. it burns. >> this week michigan officials announced they will investigate complaints of rashes that residents say they have been getting for two years now, since the water flowing to the homes was switched from the great lakes to the corrosive flint river. experts say the water wasn't treated as required, a local doctor says people could tell right away. >> right when the water switched in april 2014 the residents were complaining. it looked gross, it was brown, it smelled gross, there was all of these vague complaints of hair loss and rashes, bacteria in the waterment they they put chlorine in the water. >> when high levels of lead were found in the water and in flint
children the water supply was switched back to lake huron. officials apologized and some stepped down as a happenedful of investigations and then class action suits were launched. >> justice for flint. >> as residents protested, officials knew of the complaints of rashes months before they knew of the high levels of lead and still did not act. there are calls for governor snyder to resichblt he says he is sorry and will fix it. >> that makes you feel terrible. i wish you would have done something different. in hindsight it's always hard to say but there are all of these and that's something i'll have to live with. >> why would they be paying for water that they cannot even use that is poisoning them. that's not american. >> the water still isn't safe to drink. at a heated congressional hearing it was clear that people are still worried. >> i have rashes, they start off
red and then they lead to white spots. it comes from the water. i'm scared. we don't know what's going to happen to us. you know down the line. >> what have the last two years been like? >> stressful. >> sick, sick, sick, sick. >> sick and stress. >> congressman dan killedy who represents flint met with a congressional delegation in flint today in the neighborhoods where these people live talking to them about their concerns and what they can do to fix this. as you mentioned, hillary clinton is also taking a break from the campaign in new hampshire tomorrow to go to flint. >> i was there, it's unbelievable to think, to be living in that, in the unknown especially as a parent knowing your child may have lead poisoning which has life long ramificationings. you can't turn around. >> so many health ramifications and on top of that as we see
today there are people, imagine this, taking a shower with bottled water. >> thank you so much. we'll stay on this. we promise. jake, to you. looking politically. clinton leaves days before the primary, she goes to flint. what's your take? >> well, it's very smart politics. i don't want to get into the policy of it because the policy of it is very important and much more important than the politics, but first of all, her campaign is already setting expectations low for new hampshire. if she does come in second here, one of the reasons they can say is look, she took time off the trail to do this important thing in flint, michigan. second of all, a group she really needs to stay in her corner, they are there now, is african-american voters. and women over the age of 45. both those groups are with her right now. and this is a story that is very, you know, tugs at the heart strings of those two groups, perhaps because it
affects this horrible crisis affects african-americans disproportionately and affects kids. so, this is something i think that will help down the road. third of all this is a really for her aides and supporters a way that she can really contrast her leadership not only with that of the republicans such as rick snyder, the governor, also with bernie sanders, what supporters of clinton saying bernie sanders when this happened called for the governor to resign and then kind of moved on. where secretary clinton called for a state of emergency, to get federal funding, she is there on the ground meeting with people, showing real leadership, not just idealistic speech making but real leadership. that is how clinton people are casting this. and i think that's an effective argument. >> i think, jake, no matter where your politics fall, democrat, republican in flint, you're happy that the national attention is on you now including you know, one of the
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welcome back. democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders stumping for votes today. jake tapper sat down with him. what stood out the most to you? >> it was a wide ranging interview and a lot of topics. one of the things i wanted to ask him about was the suggestion from the clinton campaign that the reason sanders is going to do well here in new hampshire on tuesday is because he is from neighboring vermont. take a listen. >> you're favored to win the new hampshire primary. >> don't make me nervous. don't jinx me. we think it's going to be close. we're working hashed. >> clinton campaign is trying to downplay it. secretary clinton pointed out that you're from vermont and new hampshire voters often vote for people from neighboring states. she says it's the neighborly thick. is that an insult? >> in the sense it is.
look. obviously vermont, new hampshire separated by a river. we are close states but you know what, secretary clinton won this state in 2008. her husband ran several campaigns in this state. when we began this campaign here in new hampshire, we were 30 points down in the polls and she was much better known in this state than i was. so simply to say you know, if the we win this thing it's because bernie lives in vermont, yeah, i'm not -- that's not accurate. >> we talked about a lot more than that of course. including some of the charges being made against him by the clinton campaign, some of the charges he's making about with secretary clinton and what his path to victory looks like after new hampshire as we've been discussing for the last couple hours, poppy, some of the southern states favor secretary clinton. >> by a wide margin. jake, also tonight, we're a few hours from the gop debate. you have seven candidates who are on the stage.
you moderated these before. what are you looking out for most tonight? >> well, this the race is so wide open and i have no idea how it's going to end. i don't have any idea how the democratic race is going to end either. with so many candidates it's a mystery. and really, it's really getting very, very contentious, not just between donald trump and everybody else, but among the candidates. especially those in the quote unquote establishment lane, marco rubio, governors christie, bush and kasich who staked it all here. so i'm looking for the fireworks. i think it's going to be a lot of fun. >> a lot of fireworks ahead of a lot of interviews for you tomorrow morning, right? >> that's right. we're going to have five candidates on. clinton, sanders, trump, kasich, christie, and our bosses are so kind and benevolent they are allowing us to do the show
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top of the hour. i'm poppy harlow. thank you for joining us. it's a major day in politicings, the next crucial moment where americans cast real votes that matter is just three days away. making this weekend officially the home stretch to the new hampshire primary. it's a state that may be smaller than others but the electorate there does get out to vote. all of the leading candidates stumping as we speak. then when the sun goes down it is debate night in new hampshire. only the seven candidates invited by the host network in the debate. no so called undercard. on the democratic side hillary clinton and senator bernie sanders. between them there is little space. but sanders has a big lead in
new hampshire. both are hitting the state hard. let's go live to new hampshire to manchester, where we find my friend brooke baldwin. you have been crisscrossing the country in the last week. >> listen. so many cnnors have been. blink, we're in iowa, the next thing, we're in new hampshire. first in the nation primary, and about a third of republican voters tell us here at cnn they still haven't decided which of the candidates they are going to support on tuesday. i was just at lunch with someone who is a republican, he said i think i'm going for kasich, i want a governor to run the country. he had not fully decided. they have the front-runner donald trump changing his venue, listen, two words here. retail politics. texas senator ted cruz and the accusations of dirty pool in iowa following him into the
debate hall tonight. i could list them all but each of the republican candidates definitely has some sort of challenge to overcome with the good people here of new hampshire. sarah murray is at this location, the venue location for this debate tonight. so sarah murray, set the scene for me and talk about, you know, we keep saying the stakes are high, of course ahead of tuesday. who has to break out tonight? >> well, i think you have to look at chris christie, you have to look at john kasich, you have to look at jeb bush, the guys who pinned their hopes on new hampshire. they really need to do well here and like you said there are a lot of people who are undecided. so that means they need a strong debate performance to close that deal. and to convince voters that they are not throwing their vote away, that they shouldn't just vote for marco rubio if they like john kasich because marco rubio has momentum out of new hampshire. that's what we're hearing some are thinking like hey, i might