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do the same. i think she's surprised she's not doing any better than she is. >> that's it for me, thanks very much for watching. i'll be back in "the situation room," 5:00 p.m. eastern, for our special coverage of the new hampshire primary. hampshire primary. the news continues right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com all right, here we go, top of the hour. on this special first of the nation primary tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin live in new hampshire. primary day in america, first primary in the nation. voters are at the polls. they're deciding who will walk away with big prizes here. there are no more rallies, no more town halls. it is time for the shaking of hands, pouring of coffee or if you're john kasich, the dinner, topping someone's coffee off this morning. doing what elections are known for. talking to supporters.
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being with volunteers. whatever they can to round up votes. listen, it's cold here. it is 20-something degrees but we somehow managed through the snow. it is clear beautiful blue skies. these are some hardy folks here in new hampshire, they've got this. the new hampshire secretary of state is expecting a record turnout with more than half a million votes. we're watching closely because it's not just win, place or show here. where everybody falls matters. a failure here in new hampshire to perform to expectations, to show your campaign has life, will be costly. let's kick off our coverage. with joe johns. he's at a polling station not far from me here in new hampshire. brian todd in hudson where we begin our coverage. how's turnout so far? >> the turnout is fantastic. the snow, the cold weather, not hampering voters from getting to
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the polls. they expect about 9,000 voters here. we think they'll break that record. the secretary of state thinks the state record is going to be shattered today. there's evidence of that here. look at these lines going out the door right over here. they've been piling in here since 7:00 a.m. this morning. almost the predawn hours. and the line of cars, brooke, has extended at least six blocks down the road. voters come in here, they line up, register here. many voters are undeclared independents. they'll come in here, they'll say they're independent, they'll be asked which affiliation they want to choose just for this vote and then they're handed either a republican ballot in pink or democratic one in blue. the average voter then goes over here to the booth. the average one takes about 35 seconds to vote. not long. then they run them through a tabulator that's right there. we mentioned the independent voters are critical. i've got one right here, debby headstrom. you're undeclared. you said you went republican. why republican this time? >> because i really believe in
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all the values that donald trump says what he's going to do for this country, and i think that -- for us to build up the military and our defense is a big priority with the security of the country and of the world. >> a big question a lot of people have -- because a lot of states don't have this dynamic of a lot of undeclared voters. when did you change your mind, decide republican this time? >> quite a long time ago. >> week, days? >> i'd say weeks, definitely weeks. although many of the people i've spoken with in new hampshire, typically a lot of them are undecided until they get to the polls. i definitely was not. i was clear about my decision. >> very good. debby, thank you very much for talking to us and best of luck to you. >> thank you. >> brooke, one thing we have to tell you is when they declare an affiliation here, they don't have to stay declared. if they want to reregister as an independent voter when they leave, they stand in this line and tell these folks they want
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to go back as an undeclared independent voter. a lot of them are doing that. the undeclared voters in new hampshire are dominant in this state. certainly dominant here today. >> i feel the energy. thank you for the tour. 35 seconds, you're in, you're out, you vote. brian todd, thank you. on to joe johns now. let's check in with joe johns who is live in manchester. listen, the story is these independent voters, it's a game-time decision once they entered polling places. >> yes, you know, here at mcdonnell elementary school, brooke, this is where we are, they've had so far they tell us about 1,200 people come in and vote. that since they started early this morning. total, they have about 4,000 registered for this ward. i hesitate to say they've had one-fourth of the people who are registered actually come in. and that's because of new voters. if you look at this table, we've had a steady stream of people coming in registering on the same day and voting.
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it's a process that doesn't take very long. as you can see, they have clip boards. they stand there. they fill out an application. they turn it in. then they move on to go and vote. so the question is how many people they're going to end up with and who are they voting for. really, no way to tell that scientifically because they're not going to give us a vote count until some time after 7:00, 8:00 this evening. can tell you we've talked to some voters who have been leaving after they finish and we've got just a variety of answers. here's a sampling. >> i think that we have a really diverse group of candidates right now and they all bring something to the table. but ultimately, my heart went with carly. >> why? >> she's the candidate that's going to beat hillary and that's what's important to me right now. >> clearly and unequivocally say i voted for bernie sanders. where my deciding, you know, factor goes leaning towards senator sanders has more so to do with his relatability.
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i don't believe one should vote, you know, gender based at all. >> so the voting was very busies for thing this morning. then it settled down. you hit that typical law. big crowd aaron lunchtime. they're expecting another one around dinnertime right before the polls close. so we'll be watching. back to you, brooke. >> joe johns, we will indeed. we'll be checking in with different polling locations. i was up until 1:00 a.m. watching our coverage from dixville notch. thank you, so much to watch for. anna marie cox, senior political correspondent for ntv news and founding editor of longket. ron brown steen, the editorial director at national journal. and calley mcanane, director of political prospect and a donald trump supporter. awesome seeing all of you. first to you, calley, on trump, will a win be enough for him
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tonight or does he need to win big? >> i think a win's enough because here's what we know about donald trump. he knows how to spin things in a very positive light. as he said, a win by one vote is a win nonetheless. help was lowering expectations there. but he will drive that home, people said i couldn't win, people said i faltered in iowa and i couldn't win here. he will blow this up into a big win. there will be media scrutiny but any win is a win for donald trump. the eventual nominee has historically won either new hampshire or iowa. >> a win is a win, but i think the issue for donald trump isn't really spin. the question is, if he underperforms his polls again, it would suggest that he has a structural problem in that donald trump does best, like bernie sanders for that matter, among people less likely to vote. if he underperforms the polls again, it would suggest some of the people being counted in the polls don't actually show up and that would be an actual problem, not a perception problem going forward. >> people are willing to say
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they'll vote for him but when they get there and they decide who's actually going to be in the oval office addressing the american public it might not be someone -- >> he may be fine, anyway, he may be fine. >> if you are in the oval office and the language used last night here in new hampshire, can we just take a beat, this is someone who wants to be president. is this acceptable? >> i describe this as the trump trap. the language he used, he felt the need either by calculation or personal inclination to really throw a lot of meat to that crowd. he feels he has to do that to fire up his core support but it does raise the quote for other voters. i was at an event where many said they just don't see him as the president. >> he shouldn't have repeated that word, no one should say that word, even retweeting it or repeating it. >> right. >> voters care about what we just heard on wolf's show, there's going to be an isis attack here in the country this year which is what james clapper
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came out. people who are voting for trump are voting for him for that reason. >> beyond the news on isis -- >> okay, i think what's really offensive about what trump said is not actually that word but that he was mocking cruz for not endorsing water boarding. i mean, what's really offensive to my sensibilities as an american is we would torture people. it's he's an enthusiastic, blood thirsty guy. >> most americans care about keeping their families safe. >> i think other people on the conservative side, people like john mccain have said that water boarding is too far, that we as american people want to distinguish ourselves from isis and not be like that. >> even the substance, the substance is also inkidyicative the challenge trump faces. deporting 12 million people, the muslim -- there is definitely an audience for that but there's a limit. >> on this wall this actually just came down.
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he did the math. this is what he called. he said he took a price per square foot, price per square mile, multiplied whatever and got to the figure of $8 billion which is what he says it would cost to build this wall on the u.s./mexico border. mexico, he said, would pay for it. the first time we've heard a price tag. how did he arrive at this? >> cost per square mile, taking into account natural barriers along it the border. if there's one thing we can trust trump on it's probably mass because he did amass a $10 million brand and did so successfully. >> except for the bankruptcies. >> the cost of the wall is not the issue, the cost of deporting 12 million people is the issue. what the are todds that ryan wi give trump what he needs to -- >> the cost of the deportation is vastly, vastly higher --
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>> as we marinate, let me move on. we've talked about the governors, we've talked about the senators here. to me, it's less about delegates. when you look at the delegates it doesn't shape up to be much in new hampshire. but it's about momentum. whoever is chosen as the dubbed number two, is that person the challenger of trump down the road in these southern primary states? >> not necessarily. ted cruz has a lane. he has support with evangelical questions. he has a way forward. trump, he wins tonight, he has a lane. the question has been whether anyone can consolidate the last piece of the party, the kind of mainstream conservatives -- >> you don't think that will be out of new hampshire? >> i think it's less likely than a week ago, particularly on the debate -- >> i tend to agree. think we're seeing history change on a massive scale in this election. i'm not sure we're going to see the traditional like someone out of iowa is going to get the nomination. even rubio, he's going to have
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to perform dramatically well. i think he'll exceed expectations because of the debate. i think he might. i think new hampshire voters have a different definition of gaffe than media. he's going to have to do very well to carry that momentum. >> jeb bush has been strong, jeb bush had a nice night here at the debate. jeb bush swung by my hotel just to say hello to the staff because he's not staying here. >> he set out chairs at the event. >> why do you think he feels more comfortable in his own skin? i'm wondering why. >> i wonder if it's the comfort you get when you know you're going to lose. there's not much, you know, he's putting everything on the table. this is, you know, go big or go home. i also think he's a new hampshirer/new englander at heart. his family had that kind of new england feel to it. i think that he identifies with these people. i think he identifies with the
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voters. >> is it the kris kristofferson theory of politics, to use another word? i think he feel also as though he's making his case as well as he can make it. i think they do think, especially after saturday, this is not likely to produce that kind of squeezing out that seemed possible a week ago where rubio could preempt the two governors. now it seems at least two of them are going forward. >> i don't think jeb bush's efforts are enough. we've seen his mom come in which i think has really lifted his spirits and his brother's commercial come in. one thing i want to point out tonight as for second place, we talked a lot about kasich's ground game. but cruz, possibly picking up rand paul voter because he's very libertarian, wants to shut down the irs, is very anti-nsa. he could pick up some libertarian vote. so don't discount him. he's just three points behind rubio in the latest cnn poll. >> kayleigh, our other guests,
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thank you very much. speaking of john kasich, john kasich says jeb bush is going down the low road as the ohio governor tests how well a positive campaign can do. you will hear directly from governor kasich and his wife coming up next with our own dana bash. also, who is better qualified to serve as president? will it be a governor, an executive of a state or a senator? we'll talk to presidential historian doug douglas brinkley who will weigh in on that. not only does james clapper say isis will attack in the u.s. this year but reveals what the terrorists are doing specifically with refugees. i'm brooke baldwin. do not miss a beat of this. you're watching cnn special live coverage. if i want to go up...
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you're watching cnn on this primary day here in manchester. new hampshire is known for its wildly different electorate. voters are independent. this time they're choosing from a diverse field of candidates.
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ohio governor john kasich for one is one of those contenders hoping to cash in on voter's list of choices and cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash talked to the ohio governor and his wife at their campaign headquarters just a short time ago. >> how you feeling? you've been out at the polling places this morning? >> i feel great. i think people are responding to the positive message despite all the negative attacks. i'm kind of hoping they're, you know, at this point they're bouncing off me rather than penetrating. very optimistic. wh you win dixville notch, what can you say, i think you have it locked. >> how about you, mrs. kasich? >> i feel great. the people of new hampshire have been wonderful. now we're just ready to run through the tape at the finish line. >> now, just want to ask you, just kind of your reflections, because you've been here for a while now. you spend a lot of time with people of new hampshire. today it's finally here. how are you feeling about that? are you emotional about it?
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>> well, i have been. today, i'm just sort of finishing up strong. but i've learned a lot about my life. >> like what? >> i always try to take care of people as governor. you know, the ones who are beleaguered. but now i've come to realize that even in my personal life, my dealings, wherever i go, to the coffee shop or back home in columbus or the gym or wherever i am. you've got to look people in the eye and you got to listen to them. because many people who just don't feel that anybody listens to them, cares about them, is willing to celebrate with them or even to comess rate with them when they've got tragedy. for me personally, it's going to change the way in which i slow down and interact with people. yes, it had been an incredible experience. i don't have a negative thing to think. i've got a couple -- i mean, one
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really great thing, i have beaten everybody on my team in basketball. i mean, nobody can take me down. >> i call a reality check, is that true? >> it must be, he said so. >> how about you? you know, you hear your husband talking about how he's changed. do you see that? >> well, i think after you do 100 town halls in the state and meet with people in small groups like that, 200 people, sometimes 50 people, they come and some of them bear their souls. they tell you very personal stories about what's bothering them. he takes that to heart. so yes, i've seen him become very reflective and thoughtful about what it is people are really dealing with. >> you talked a little bit about the negativity. of course, you seem to be doing well and threatening some of your competitors so that's what happens in politics. what will it say if you end up finishing well? and also what do you consider well? >> well, you know, close to the top is what we would consider.
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that will be something our team will look at when the returns come in. i mean, i think we're going to have a strong finish here. and it may say to the public, maybe it's not so much the public but the political analysts, is maybe we ought to spend more time trying to figure out how to sell who we are rather than trashing somebody else. wouldn't that be a great change, that maybe we can show that politics really is changing in america. people want authenticity. they want to know what's in your head but also what's in your heart. when you spend all your time trying to drag somebody else down, maybe people have had enough of it. we're going to see and this is going to be a great test case for the american political situation. >> how much are you relying on independent voters who can vote in the republican primary? >> we're relying on every voter. these people call everybody. what i've relied on is the ground game. the best ground game, gordon humphrey, the former senator, said he's seen in 40 years.
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the insurance policy here are the people. i mean, they've come from seattle, virginia, tennessee, ohio. one guy flew in from london. and, you know, as one told me just today, when i said the other day that life is but a breath and go for it with great zest, he said it took me back to philosophy class in college and made me feel young again. these are the kind of things that are just amazing. you know, i'll tell you what it is, i am so free and what i say, i'm not only free in what i say but i'm free in what i feel, and i'm very comfortable sharing it with people. and it's so cool to just be able to share some of your deep feelings with people. even when they can be a little emotional. it's great. >> one last question going forward. you said that you obviously want to finish -- like to finish first, but you said you hoped to finish close to the top. what does that mean? does that mean third, second, fourth? >> i can't get into that now.
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because all i do is, look, dana, i'm on the 17th green. i'm going to 18. i don't look at the scoreboard. i go into the clubhouse. when i play my best golf, particularly in politics, i usually win. >> the golf analogies. hello, friend. >> hello. >> he was so candid with you. i love how, i106 town halls. the fact he said to you, becoming nicer and really truly look people in the eye. almost a tone and tenor change on the trail. >> absolutely. two things. one is he is known to have a little bit of a temper. maybe be moody is probably the better way to put it. >> okay. >> and i think -- reading what he was saying, he was clearly saying he's learned how to cut that out and really look people in the eye and be nicer. even when he's tired or cranky or -- like we all get. the other interesting thing that i learned there, just standing there and talking to some of the volunteers on the phone, is
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their strategy, even today. because so many voters are undecided. that one volunteer who made 500 calls just today alone in a few hours. what he was saying to people who were independents, who can vote in either primary. you know what, somebody said he might vote for bernie, don't go vote for bernie, he's going to win on the democratic side. come vote for kasich. so much strategic getting out the vote. it's not just come on, go vote for john kasich, it's making those arguments. voters here in new hampshire are so sophisticated. they get that kind thing. >> what a pitch inside the kasich camp and how that could ultimately shape out and help hillary clinton as well. >> yes, it could. >> dana bash, thank you. just ahead here, one "sports illustrated" swimsuit model is now supporting bernie sanders. hear her explain why gender has nothing to do with her choice of who she wants to be president. plus, #robotrubio, the christie
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primary day here in america. in new hampshire, voters making their choices. first in the nation primary. one person who visited the state, actress and co"sports
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illustrated" swimsuit model. you probably recognize her, from the whole robin thick "blurred lines" video. she was also in the movie "gone girl." r radkowski could not disagree more. political correspondent brianna keilar was at that event, and talked to emily radkowski. in the wake of what gloria steinem said, you have been on the trail for two years, you've been talking to young women. what do you make of all this? >> that's one of the reasons i spoke to emily radkowski because she said something we're hearing a lot of women say since this weekend when gloria steinem she said, where are the boys, the boys are with bernie. >> meaning that's where the girls will go. >> that's right, and that really ticked off a lot of young women. you saw that from this. what she said to this crowd
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is -- in the beginning, she was one of the surrogates who was sort of riling up the crowd ahead of time and she said why am i here, it's not for the boys. and because of that, we thought, wow, that was quite a little bit of here's what's up to gloria steinem. we talked to her and here's what she said. >> i understand the urge to want to support, you know, a democratic female candidate who has completely earned her stripes, you know, i think that my initial response to hillary wallace a positive one. but, you know, depending on your politics, if you don't agree with some of the things that, you know, i think are pretty extreme and very, very, you know, to the right of where i'd like to see the party headed, it's really that simple to me. >> so this is really i think what we're keeping an eye on here after tonight in new hampshire, compared to iowa, do you see even more of a break between young women who seem to be gravitating towards bernie sanders and towards, you know, older women who are much more
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dependable supporters of hillary clinton? >> something to watch for tonight, then into looking ahead, the next primary for the dems is nevada, and we know that is where hillary clinton will be heading. do we think that -- how much of a challenge will she face? >> i think the campaign is a lot more confident about south carolina than they are about nevada. one, they'll say it's caucuses, so it could be a little more wonky, it's harder to game out. then they'll also say nevada is a state that is a lot more white, for instance, than south carolina. they think with the demographics in their corner they could get a little challenge there. but it should be much easier state for hillary clinton than iowa and new hampshire which are much more white than nevada. >> good luck tonight. >> you too. >> brianna, thank you very much. just a reminder, this thursday, february 11th, cnn will be simulcasting the pbs news hour democratic presidential debate live from milwaukee, 9:00
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eastern, here on cnn and your local pbs station. one of the folks in charge of donald trump's ground game here in new hampshire, he will join me live in new hampshire to talk about what they're seeing right now and whether donald trump is at all concerned about his ground game in other states, looking ahead. also, chilling developments today in the war on isis. one of america's top intelligence officials saying that terrorists are infiltrating refugees and revealing when isis will try to attack the united states. we have those detail also for you next.
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appraisal today from top intelligence officials on the danger isis poses to the united states. the defense intelligence chief, lieutenant general vincent stewart, appeared before the armed services committee just this morning, warning that isis is likely to attempt direct attacks on the united states this year. and the director of national intelligence, james clapper, says isis is using the refugee crisis in the middle east in order to reach other countries. let me bring in cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. jim, clapper told lawmakers this is the worst risk he's seen in his 50 years in intelligence. >> he's been around a long time, brooke, and he gave a very stark and sobering and blunt assessment, you know, in saying it's the worst he's ever seen, he's talking about the threats, russia, china, cyber threats and definitely terrorism. i've heard him speak a lot. i've interviewed him before. this is very stark testimony because he's videscribing in
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specific terms the expanding isis threats, now in eight countries and counting and taking advantage of more terror safe havens in the world. you think about syria, libya, yemen, parts even of afghanistan, failed states or failed areas of states that give them places to operate. and then send fighters out into the west to carry out attacks. we saw that in paris and he was saying, as you highlighted, they're hiding in that refugee stream. and then, the big target remains here in the u.s. a very stark warning to hear that they have the u.s. homeland in their sights this year. >> let's listen to a little bit of clapper's testimony. >> there are now more sunni violent extremist groups, members and safe havens than at any time in history. the rate of foreign fighters traveling to the conflict zones in syria and iraq in the past few years is without precedent. at least 38,200 foreign fighters including at least 6,900 from
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western countries have travelled to syria from at least 120 countries since the beginning of the conflict in 2012. >> frightening numbers. he says a lot of those as you just mentioned, they're terrorists, he says hiding among the ret the refugee stream. >> of course there's going to be political sensitivity to that because the vast majority of those refugees are people in need but you have terrorist groups taking advantage of it. we know some of the paris attackers used that very route to get into europe after their training. that's a stark warning to hear from really the nation's top spy there describing the threat and saying it's not just europe but it's here to the homeland as well. >> jim sciutto, thank you. back to -- listen, that's relevant, how might that affect polls in new hampshire, the news on isis. we're live here in manchester, new hampshire. turnout is expected to break records. we're hearing somewhere in the
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neighborhood of half a million. and several republicans candidates, they're hoping to break out of this pack with poll after poll showing trump in the lead. all eyes are on who will take the next stop. will marco rubio rise after his much maligned debate performance over the weekend, or could it be one of the current or former governors in the running? kasich, bush, casey, all hoping new hampshire will reset this race for them. with me now, chris maserol, the chair of trump's campaign in the town of jaffray, new hampshire. nice to meet you, welcome. >> good to meet you, brooke. >> nice to meet you, thank you. listen, everything i've read about you, you're known for your cowboy state, rolling aar ing ae state, there we go, why not. and your pet cox a too to bring in the young kids in the grocery store. you're a microbiologist. >> yes, that's correct. >> this is the first time you've got involved in politics. >> what's important, particularly where i live, i
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live in' small town, and we're now the exception and not the rule. but we're propped up by manufacturing. we have a handful of industries in our town between milliport, teleflex, new hampshire ball bearing, very big employers. there's really nothing that can keep these jobs in the country. most of them are foreign owned by now. what will happen to my town is it will be belly up and, you know, there's towns around here. i don't want to mention them, but there's a lot of towns where the industry's gone. we see it throughout the country in the rust belt. you've got this culture of despair. parents aren't working. the kids grow up, see their parents aren't working, and that's where we have a lot of the issues that people like to talk about but they don't tie, you know, between the drug culture, the illegitimacy, the collapse of the family, all these things that politicians rant about, but they don't really address the key issue, which is -- >> you feel like this is what mr. trump is did has really resonated for you. >> yes. >> i'm curious, just day to day
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here, especially in this final stretch here in new hampshire, how much guidance have you gotten directly from mr. trump? >> the guidance from trump? i've been able to work with the field reps and things like that. i'm kind of trying to do this in a self-directed fashion. so we have a strong volunteer effort. i'm hoping after the primary we can really do a reassessment and then find out which volunteers really put forward an effort and try to -- people aren't doing as good a job replacing and what not. the guidance is i talk a lot with people like matt and they do a really good job. >> what do they tell you? >> they said campaign like we're losing. >> campaign like we're losing. >> yes, because you don't want to be complacencomplacent. i don't want people to think that, you know, we're doing well, we're not going to go to the polls. another thing i really want to
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do is they've been able to support me, i've been able to get volunteers to help me, but the last couple weeks, i've been putting up the big posters on the highway. lately i've been getting outside of my region because i want to go to the more populated areas, amhurst, medford, i want to show to people who are leaning towards trump this is a real movement, this isn't just something on their tv set. >> what's fascinating, chris, is we had this whole thing on cnn.com about vacillating between two seemingly different candidates, bernie sanders or donald trump and in a primary like here, it can go either way. when you pick up the phone, how do you sway folks to trump? what's your closing argument? >> first, i don't want to alienate the bernie people because there's a frustration level. and if they're desperate enough to vote for someone like bernie who's kind of nuts, you know -- >> well, other folks would disagree.
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>> i probably shouldn't alienate them, like i said. but socialism, it sounds great in theory, you know. you look at the old clips from like the russian revolution, it looks like there's a whole lot of stuff going on. they've got the coats and the boots and they're breaking out signs. when you compare socialism to our system, the soviet union could have been around for 200 year, they never would have invented the iphone. we have a system of invention. it seems like we operate on greed but we reward people who inprove the quality of life for our people. >> and that's where you -- that's your close argument on why people should vote -- >> i try to explain to them, you know, america has done more good with capitalism than all these other groups and these other ideologies combined. some of the poorest people in america can pec ick up a handhe computer and look at someone on the other side of the world. you look at the poorest people in america, live better than the
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richest people did 200 years ago. >> chris, thank you so much for swinging by, really appreciate it, just to hear all these perspectives, invaluable on this primary day. coming up next, who is better to be qualified for president? would it be senators, could it be governors? the debate raging on the campaign trail. we'll speak ton presidential historian doug brinkley next. a group of voters all the candidates want here in new hampshire. these are the independent voters we've been talking about. they will join me. they will reveal their choices at how they arrived at their decisions.
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governors versus senators. the question being who would be
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better qualified to become president of the united states. both sides in this race debating precisely that topic. >> you have not been involved in a consequential decision where you had to be held accountable. you just simply haven't. when you talk about hezbollah sanctions act that you list as one your accomplishments, you weren't even there to vote for it. that's not leadership. >> chris, you state got hit by a massive snowstorm two weeks ago. you didn't even want to go back. >> marco doesn't have it. ted cruz doesn't have it. i'm not saying they're not talented people, but they don't have a record of accomplishment. >> joining me now, cnn presidential historian doug brinkley. doug brinkley, nice to see you, sir. >> thanks for having me on, brooke. >> okay so what does history tell us, who makes for better presidents, is it governors or senators? >> i think american history would point to governors being
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better. after all, if i had to rank the top three presidents of the 20th century, theodore roosevelt, reagan, all governors. you see bill clinton emerging as a standard bearer for the democrat in 1992. you saw george w. bush win two terms as a democratic governor from texas. senators don't fare anywhere near as well. and, in fact, you'll see a senator like ted cruz basically saying i'm not really a senator. i went to washington to distance myself from it. you see bernie sanders saying i'm not a democrat or republican, i previously was an independent, trying to somehow not seem like you're just somebody who goes to washington, d.c. and casts votes. congress has about a 15% approval rating right now. i don't think you want to hitch your kite to that institution right now.
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>> right. on governors, you know, specifically jeb bush would say governors should be president, not a senator. he was comparing himself to marco rubio, essentially saying he, jeb bush, is better for prime time as an executive of a state, he's dealt with natural disasters and economy, employees, et cetera. what do you think the strongest attribute of a governor is going into the oval office? >> that they don't have to vote on things. look what's killing hillary clinton. her vote for the iraq war. that's what bernie sanders is nailing her on that. but the idea that a governor has created his own administration. you can judge but it would be impossible to say that governor kasich has not been good for ohio. the public likes him. even a lot of democrats are pleased with kasich's job. so you can be judged on how you would be in a leadership role where when you're in the senate you're kind of stuck with some very controversial votes that you've got to make, and then you
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may see marco rubio not even showing up for the senate very often. barack obama was different and john f. kennedy. if you can be senator who comes in very young and seems to be a change agent. kennedy was able to be the youngest president coming out of senate, but he was replacing the oldest president, dwight eisenhower, so there are those moments when those senators can strike, but this is a tough year for it. >> and then i suppose presidential historian wisdom out the window with someone like a donald trump as the front-runner. we'll have to double back on that another time. doug brinkley, it will be a date, i promise you. thank you so much. i really appreciate that. coming up next -- >> thank you, brooke. >> you got it. >> some undecided voters admit they have an odd decision to make, donald trump or bernie sanders. that's where a lot of people in new hampshire are torn. hear why they come down to deciding these two men. hi, i'm leeza gibons with an amazing story about how
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and we continue on. i'm brooke baldwin. so great to be here live in snowy new hampshire. the first in the nation primary. voters are at the polls right this moment deciding who should walk away with some pretty big prizes. the candidates have been out doing what new hampshire elections are known for, retail politics, shaking hands, talking to supporters, banging on doors, working with volunteers, you know, whatever they can do to round up these votes. yes, it's cold out there. there is no snow falling but listen, we're in new hampshire, this is a tough bunch, they've got this. the new hampshire secretary of state is expecting a record turnout with more than half a million votes today. we're watchin

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