tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN February 9, 2016 1:00pm-2:01pm PST
and now a very special edition of "the lead" live from manchester, new hampshire, on primary day just hours away from the polls closing. on the republican side it's still fluid. i'm jake tapper and this is "the lead." good afternoon and cheers from the foundry restaurant in manchester, new hampshire, i'm jake tapper. welcome to a special edition of "the lead." we are just hours away from polls closing here. the granite state known for surprises. with nearly a third of republican voters still undecided in these final days of campaigning here, there are very few certainties at this hour. for three republican governors
with everything on the line here, the results tonight could catapult them onto the next state or send them packing. i caught up with all of them as they made their closing arguments across the state today. and while jeb bush and john kasich were reflective, chris christie was ready to go another round. >> it's actually a great test because if you're going to be president, you're going to have a lot tougher challenges than this. >> how can you better? when you win dicksville notch, that's the icing on the cake. >> marco rubio will leave and there's going to be no evidence that he was ever even more. >> our reporters are fanned out across the state covering all the candidates. we begin with sunlen serfaty who's in hollis, new hampshire. sunlen, so much in flux on the republican side. >> reporter: that's right, jake. we saw a real 11th hour scramble for many of the candidates here in new hampshire today, really speaking to the urgency of this moment for so many of them, especially those in the tier
below donald trump and feeling the pressure to claim each and every last-minute vote. >> feeling terrific. and having fun. >> reporter: it's the final frenzied push. new hampshire so congested with candidates, their buses, like those belonging to jeb bush and marco rubio, whooshing past each other on the highway in search of any voters still up for grabs. >> we have great energy, a lot of great support so we're looking forward to the results tonight. >> reporter: from diners to outside polling places -- >> i feel good. >> yeah? >> i feel good. >> a little tired. it feels like there's -- all the work will pay off. >> reporter: new hampshire is ripe for surprises and there are still many votes on the table with three in ten voters going into primary day undecided, making the last-minute pitches today from the candidates imperative. >> this is going to be incredibly close, everybody. nobody, not me, not jeb bush, not john kasich, not ted cruz
have the first idea of what's going to happen tonight. and we saw in iowa that the difference of a couple hundred votes makes a huge difference. >> reporter: for donald trump, the big question is can he turn his substantial lead in the polls here into something that eluded him in iowa, an actual win. trump pleading today over facebook for his supporters to get out and vote. >> but the polls don't mean anything if we don't get up, don't get out, don't vote. we have to vote. >> reporter: in a tight race for second, the jockeying between bush, kasich, rubio and cruz is a battle who for gets to loeave new hampshire with momentuoment >> i'm on the 17th green, headed to the 18th, i don't look at the scoreboard. when i play my best golf, particularly in politics, i usually win. >> reporter: the waning hours marked with attacks. trump repeating a vulgarity
shouted out by a voter against senator cruz. >> i never want to hear that again. she said he's a [ bleep ]. that's terrible, terrible. >> we cannot hijack our party. our party will not win if we're the reactionary party. people are hurting and i just feel like it's important to stand up to the guy. i'm the only guy doing it. >> reporter: and the cruz campaign getting ready for their election watch party later tonight. senator cruz responded to donald trump's repeating of that profanity saying that he believes trump leans on insults instead of talking substance. jake, this is a very small preview of the battle we'll see between these two headed towards south carolina once they both get through new hampshire tonight. jake. >> all right, sunlen, thanks so much. now let's go to jim acosta who's live at trump headquarters. jim, trump seems to have been shown information suggesting voters don't think he's nice, it would seem, because he keeps
telling everyone how much nicer a person he is than everyone thinks. how does this fit into his final pitch to new hampshire voters? >> reporter: that's a very good question, jake. we just tried to catch up with donald trump here outside of his campaign headquarters here tonight, asked how he felt about tonight, see if he was feel nice. he didn't answer. got in his motorcade to make some last-minute campaign stops. i should point out the campaign led by a new hampshire native, corey lewandowski is feeling confident for tonight. but we've seen donald trump shift gears in terms of his demeanor. you recall after he lost in iowa he delivered that gracious concession speak to ted cruz. the next day he went on the attack, savaged cruz and accused him of cheating. we know trump will be nice until he feels like he has to go on the war path. his campaign has prepared an attack ad aimed at cruz down in south carolina so it won't be mr. nice guy very long. we'll probably see a nice
feeling trump later on if all goes well. it's pretty cramped inside this election watch party. it's going to be interesting to watch. he typically has these big arena-sized crowds. it might affect the mood. might not be nice, jake. >> all right. let's talk about all of this with our panel of top republicans, national spokeswoman for the donald trump campaign, katrina pierson, the communications director for marco rubio's campaign, alex conent. ana navarro who's a jeb bush supporter and friend of marco rubio and republican strategist and advisor to mitt romney's campaign, stewart stevens who has endorsed no campaign. katrina, let you start with you. obviously donald trump enters this evening with a double-digit lead in polls but we know those polls are not so reliable. heap seems to be rather subdued out there. is he worried that what might happen in iowa might repeat
itself or does he feel confident? >> no, he's not worried at all, he is confident. he stepped up his campaign ooen events, he's got the family out there doing retail politics and he's taking this very seriously. he really wants to drill down, get out and talk to the people. >> alex, i want to talk to you about marco rubio. obviously he took some hits at the debate saturday night and there was an incident yesterday where he repeated a sentence and a lot of his critics jumped on it. let's play that and get some response from you. >> jeanette and i are raising our four children in the 21st century and we know how hard it's become to instill our values in our kids instead of the values they try to ram down our throats. in the 21st century, it's become harder than ever to instill in your children the values they teach in our homes and in our church instead of the values that they try to ram down our throats in the movies, in music, in popular culture. >> is there a threat here of
rubio being perceived as too much of a programmed candidate who stays too closely to his talking points? >> not at all. you've interviewed him countless times and you know for a fact he knows the issues better than anybody else in the race. i'm glad you played that clip. republicans agreed with what he's saying right there. he believes america is headed in the wrong direction and we need to turn this country around. that's why he's running for president and why he said what he said at the debate and frankly why we saw more people go to marcorubio.com and contribute during the debate than any of the other debates. why we've seen rush limbaugh, mark levin rally behind marco rubio the last 48 hours because they agree with him. that's why he's running for president and he's going keep saying it. i don't care if the pundits or hillary clinton's campaign and her super pac make fun of him. he believes and will keep saying it. >> it's an interesting question
for those of us who have been in politics a while, candidates are told stay on message, stay on message, stay on message, and yet rubio is getting hit for staying too much on message. >> well, i'll take that versus the other, going crazy off message. i'll take someone accusing you of being on message too much. i actually thought the most interesting thing about that debate was chris christie, because i think that it was a chance for him to show that he was a prosecutor. and i think that people are going to remember that, i think, more than what happened with marco. and i think they're auditioning different skills. and they have different talents that they'll bring to the electorate. christie spent a lot of time talking about prosecuting hillary clinton. i think, you know, maybe not the best of luck for marco to be in that position at that moment but he showed that he had that skill set that he could go and do it. >> very interesting. jeb bush has put a lot into the state of new hampshire. he did not do well in iowa. he needs to do well here. how well do you think he needs to do? does he need to finish in the
top three in order to continue his campaign? obviously he has enough money to continue but to do so credibly, does he need to be in the top three? >> you know, jake, i think this is a different year than what we have seen in the past. you will not see this field whittled down to three people out of new hampshire. i think everybody that you saw on the debate stage this week will be on the debate stage on saturday. that includes chris christie, that includes jeb bush. certainly a number two or three wind would give him a lot of wind in his sails. if it's a number two win for marco, i think it is a big night. if it's not a big night for marco, i think it's a problem for him. his problem thinks that they have a three two one theory. come in third in iowa, which they did. come in second in new hampshire, come in first in south carolina. but the only two out of that lane that have built groups and that have built ground troops operations in south carolina are marco rubio and jeb bush. i think the other two need big
wins a lot more in order to be able to be propelled with momentum to south carolina. >> can i just -- so we've never said where we need to finish other than we want to finish in the top tier. the reality is that we're running a 50-state campaign. jeb has spent $10 million in new hampshire alone attacking marco rubio. >> him and his super pac. >> him and his super pac. team jeb has spent $10 million attacking marco here. john kasich has had something like 100 town halls in the state. chris christie has abandoned his only state and moved here to be governor of new hampshire ahead of the primary. katrina's boss, donald trump, has run a great campaign and been at 30% consistency all along so i fully expect that donald trump will win tonight. i think that the governors, given how much they invested here, they have to do well, they have to exceed expectations or there really is no path forward for them. top tier, we'll be happy. the - >> alex, let's not pretend marco's campaign has been
rope-a-dope. you've invested millions of dollars against jeb bush and others. conservative solutions is hitting jeb and there are others linking barbara bush. >> gingrich won south carolina last time and he got skunked in iowa, he got skunked in new hampshire, he came out of nowhere in south carolina and had good debates. i think what you're going to see is whoever wins new hampshire is going to be first or second in south carolina. cruz is going to be first or second because he won iowa. and then it's going to be up to these other candidates to break out and to crack through. and i really don't think that the voters of south carolina particularly care who came in fourth, who came in fifth. these differences, you know, they may look good on the screen, 15% versus -- there's a very small number of human beings. >> but i think it's fair to say -- i think it's fair to say this is a very different political paradigm that we're in so we really can't compare it to previous elections because that's just shattered at this point. but to alex's point, there are
those that have to do well in new hampshire because there will be no path forward. the establishment is freaking out. you've got donald trump and ted cruz now poised at iowa and new hampshire. they have to coalesce around someone, whether it's marco rubio or jeb bush. >> we're freaking out a little less since trump lost iowa. >> it doesn't look like it. >> thank you one and all. coming up next, bernie sanders anticipating a win here tonight, although he says don't jinx it. how will the clinton campaign stop his momentum if they can? plus a top new hampshire official predicting record turnout today. plus, i caught up with all three republican governors in the race. chris christie throwing one more jab at marco rubio. >> he has a great future. but it's just not now and he's just not ready. he doesn't have the depth or the substance. >> we're live in new hampshire. i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone.
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closing and when white house dreams could come crashing to the ground. let's turn to the governors, jeb bush of florida, chris christie of new jersey, john kasich of ohio, all of them are in the so-called establishment lane for the republican nomination. they are fighting tooth and nail for survival in today's primary. i spoke with all three of them just hours ago on the campaign trail. >> jeb! >> jeb bush, chris christie, john kasich. three republican governors, each of them putting everything they have got into new hampshire. among them the three have spent 200 days in this state in the last few months, that means 500 rallies, meet-and-greets and town halls. i caught up with jeb bush this morning outside a polling place in manchester. >> so here we are. this is where it's going to happen. >> yeah, this is democracy, ground zero in the greatest country of the face of the
world. it's new hampshire politics. i love it. >> it made you a better candidate? >> absolutely. much better candidate. more incisive and the format we're going to take on the road. but the town hall format i think is a really good one for a time of real cynicism because people get to say what they think. you know, it's pretty cool. >> so you're going to south carolina no matter what happens? >> i've got a town hall meeting at the vfw lodge in myrtle beach tomorrow night and a rally at hilton head at sun city center i think, 11:00 tomorrow. >> what's your closing pitch to anybody watching right now? >> my closing pitch is that i have a committed record of accomplishment when i was governor of the state of florida, detailed plans to fix the state of washington and i have leadership skills which we desperately need.
we can't take a risk going forward. we're living in dangerous times, people are deeply disallusioned, we need a leader. >> has this experience changed you in any way? >> you know, it's validated by love of country and my belief that we're on the verge of greatness just listening to people talk. it's made me more patient. >> you weren't a patient man to begin with? >> i've never been a patient man. i'm impatient by nature. and it's strengthened my resolve because it's not an easy process. you know, when you see people write you off pretty consistently and you have the determination to prove them wrong, it's kind of rewarding in that regard. >> then it was off to derry, new hampshire, to meet up with new jersey governor chris christie. >> oh, yeah, that's all i've heard about for 72 hours. anybody who comes up to me, whether it's a current supporter or someone who's new signing on or even an undecided voter says how important the debate was. >> the polls seem to be all over the map. i can't tell what's going on.
>> our internals are a lot different than your poll. it shows some real momentum on our part. so we feel good going into tonight. like everybody, i think anybody could wind up from second to 6th in this thing and not be shocked. >> and you have a ticket to south carolina wednesday no matter what? >> i am on the plane going to south carolina tomorrow morning. we have three events scheduled in south carolina tomorrow. >> so what's your last pitch? because there will be voters who have not yet voted watching this. what's your pitch to them? >> you want someone who is prepared, experienced, mature and tested to get on the stage against hillary clinton. if you are not ready, she will eat you alive. and we first, before we get to the white house, we have to go through her. and you're going to want somebody on that stage who their experience gives them the best chance to beat her. once you get to the white house, you can actually do the job because you actually managed something before in your life of significance and been held accountable for it. i'm the person who brings those two skills together. nobody else on that stage and
lots have tried, ted cruz, jeb bush and donald trump all tried to go after marco rubio. they weren't effective at it. i was. and i'll be just as effective against hillary clinton. >> did you see there was a clip of rubio the other day kind of repeating a line that he said and catching himself saying it again? >> yes, sir. >> what did you think of that? >> i'm not surprised. that's who he is, jake. he's a very talented young man. and he has a great future. but it's just not now. he's just not ready. he doesn't have the depth or the substance and he doesn't have it because he hasn't experienced anything. marco rubio will leave the senate this year and there will not be any evidence that he was there, exempt for the amnesty bill he co-authored with chuck schumer and ran away from. he actually named something in the debate the other night in a bill, hezbollah sanctions, that he wasn't even there to vote for and called it a major achievement. if that's what you're listing as a major achievement, you need to
go do some work. maybe run for governor of florida and get some experience. but i've already done that. i've been u.s. attorney in the fifth largest office in america. i've been the governor of new jersey governing a state that no one can say is easy to govern. i'm prepared to be president of the united states and prepared to meet hillary clinton. then we met up with ohio governor john kasich just hours before the polls closed in concord, new hampshire. >> so, governor, how are you feeling? >> how can you feel better? when you win dicksville notch, that's icing on the cake. >> you've tried to have an optimistic and positive message in a campaign that has notable for a lot of negativity. do you think that in a way your refusal to go negative like some of your opponents have been willing to, do you think that's hurt you at all? >> well, we're going to find out tonight but i don't get the sense it has. i get the sense that people are like, oh, we don't care about
that stuff. i think our voters are pretty resilient. but jake, who knows. we won't know until we count the ballots. look, the intensity of the attacks against me have just accelerated and so i think the interesting thing is having stayed positive, we now have an experiment. now we can see whether negativity has to work or whether positivity can overcome it. >> do you have to reach a certain threshold today? do you have to be in like top three? >> yeah, we've got to do well. i can't tell you exactly. we've got to look at where we are and how this plays out. >> i've heard some people say if kasich does well in new hampshire, but where does he go and when next? because this is such a distinct state obviously in terms of moderates and independents. you can appeal to them but where else are you going to find them? >> i think the voters are consistent in their concerns across the country. am i secure in my job. if i lose it, can i get another job. what about my kids, they have big, high debt, can they get a
job. what about social security. i think they're the same. >> there are going to be people watching this that have not yet voted. what's your message to them? what's your last pitch? >> well, look, it's about the head and the heart. it's about being able to create economic growth because everything starts from there. jobs are the cornerstone. once we have the jobs, everybody ought to have a chance. in order to do it, we've got to come together as a country and knock off all the negativity and partisanship and let's go fix america. coming up next, according to polls, hillary clinton is facing an almost certain loss in this state. what's next for her campaign? plus, brian todd live on the street with the cnn ballot cam. lots of people waiting in line to vote. some of them still undecided, believe it or not. that's ahead.
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we're live this afternoon in manchester, new hampshire, where voting is under way. hillary clinton, who is facing a near certain loss to bernie sanders if you believe the polls is already setting her sights on the next contest, the nevada caucuses. her husband, former president bill clinton, has been holding a number of rallies in nevada as the presumpive front-runner finds herself in the midst of an extremely tight race. here is brianna keilar. >> reporter: today hillary clinton hitting the slick pavement. >> hillary for president! >> how are you all doing? >> reporter: stopping by several polling sites, shaking hands and taking photos. >> we look fabulous. >> fabulous.
>> reporter: greeting voters face to face. a final push to convince any voters still undecided before they cast their ballots. >> i hope i can earn your vote today in this weather. >> reporter: despite vermont senator bernie sanders holding a commanding lead in the new hampshire polls, clinton says she's not willing to leave the granite state without a fight. >> this is a great process, and as i have said over the last couple days, we're going to keep working literally until the last vote is cast and counted. >> reporter: sanders making his own unannounced polling visit, taking reporters for a walk around town. >> usually i like to take nice, quiet walks. apparently not today. but i thank you all for the company. >> reporter: and releasing a video message encouraging his supporters to get out and vote. >> so i urge you all, come out and vote. let's transform america. >> reporter: while driving home his campaign's message in the closing hours of the primary fight. >> to paraphrase abraham lincoln, this is a campaign of
the people, by the people and for the people. >> reporter: hosting a concert to help keep his passionate supporters motivated. ♪ feel the bern ♪ feel the heat >> reporter: hoping to turn his big lead in the polls into an actual win when it counts. >> the eyes of america will be on new hampshire. i hope very much that you come out to vote. >> reporter: hillary clinton and her campaign, jake, admittedly have quite an uphill challenge for them. they are managing expectations with that line right now. she is trailing significantly in the polls by more than 25 points in the latest cnn/wmur poll. one of the big tests tonight may be if clinton can close that gap or if bernie sanders can hang on to that significant lead.
>> all right, brianna keilar. of course as we know polls are not always accurate. let's bring in david brock, founder of correct the record, which is a pro-hillary clinton super pac. i want to first give you an opportunity to respond to something that bernie sanders himself said about you after i told him some critical things you said. here's senator sanders about you and the attacks on him. >> david brock people will remember used to be a real right wing guy who was attacking people like anita hill. this is an african-american law professor who tried to do the right thing and he admitted, he said i lied about her. this is the guy that hillary clinton is making the head of her super pac? i just don't understand, you know -- i just don't understand where the clinton people are coming from hiring somebody like that. >> your response, sir? >> well, i mean what senator sanders said is right. this happened 25 years ago. the reality is i was sold a bill
of goods by clarence thomas supporters about anita hill. i wrote some things that were wrong and false. 12, 14 years ago i wrote a painful reckoning in a book called "blinded by the right" where i confessed what i did, i apologized for it, i apologized to anita hill and apologized to the clintons in fact. in the last 12, 14 years i've spent building up some of the best progressive organizations in the country and tried to earn people's trust every day since. >> fair enough. hillary clinton, according to polls, if you believe them, david, is expected to not fare well. now, when i brought up to bernie sanders the fact that he comes from a neighboring state and new hampshire often votes for neighbors, he said, look, when we started this race, she was better known in this state and she was 30 points ahead in the polls. why do you think hillary clinton is not going to do as well if you do, obviously you hope that she wins but we don't know what's going to happen, but why
might she not win here? >> we think she's going to do well. one, most experts say that you give a neighboring state official who's running for office almost a 15-point advantage. and senator sanders started leading in the polls last july. it wasn't suddenly overnight that this big gap opened up. so i think we're going to have a good night. i mean the people of new hampshire do love the clintons. and i think that we're going to focus on nevada, we're going to focus on south carolina. only 4% of delegates are won in february. march is the big month, 56% of delegates are won there. and those electorates, let's be honest, have electorates that are more diverse and more reflective of the party and of the country. >> let's bring in jonathan tusini, a bernie sanders supporter. jonathan, david raises a good point in that you can't exactly say that iowa and new hampshire are the most diverse states in
the nation and hillary clinton is leading in polls in south carolina where among democrats, african-americans make up a sizeable population and nevada where latinos do. why has bernie sanders not really been able to appeal to those voters of color as much as he would want to? >> well, i think the reality is that with bernie, one of the things he's always had to do is make himself known to people, both on the substance and who he is and his record. you look back in iowa when he was essentially i think 30 or 40 points behind a year ago and he essentially tied hillary clinton in that race. i think we're going to do very well. we were way behind here in new hampshire. i think as bernie becomes well known, his policies are well known, what he's done for african-americans, senior citizens, i think we'll do very well in nevada. i think we're going to do very well in south carolina. and we have the money, which is the key thing for any candidate, particularly an insurgent candidate, we have money to compete all across the country in the super tuesday states.
>> you were critical of bernie's commercial which you felt didn't think there was a diverse enough cast. >> i wasn't the only one that thought that. >> but you said paced on this ad, black lives don't matter to bernie sanders. >> well, look -- >> you don't really mean that black lives don't mean to bernie sanders. >> i meant the ad reflected a lack of diversity and a lot of people agreed with that. i'm not contesting senator sanders' commitment to these issues and civil rights. the truth is secretary clinton has a long and deep -- it's not by magic that she has all this support in the black community and hispanic community. going back to the 1970s and her work at the children's defense fund and all the way forward she has very deep ties to these communities and i suspect that she's going to garner that support in the coming weeks. >> jonathan, i mean he raises a good point. it's not as though bernie sanders just became elected last week. he's been in public life longer than hillary clinton has in terms of elective office.
how come the african-american community and latino communities don't know him as well? >> actually i think partly because he's represented a state that has been -- that is as not as diverse as the rest of the country, that's true. but he has had a very long record in civil rights on supporting job bills, all the kinds of expansion of urban renewal that has been benefitting african-american voters and senior voters. again, i think it's really about people just don't know him. i was with cornell west several months ago in october and we had a small meeting with african-american leaders, community leaders and union leaders. cornell said, look, we have to wake up. people just don't know bernie. when they know what his positions are, trying to end corruption in government, inequality, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, those are the things those communities will respond to. it is a little bit about the callder. there's a short amount of time. but i do think once we come out of new hampshire with a strong win, we're going to do very well in nevada and south carolina and very well on super tuesday. >> last word? >> well, i think that
african-americans, the hispanic electorate, when they scrutinize senator sanders' record just like everybody else, they're going to find it wanting, it's not going to attract support. the more scrutiny his record gets, he accuses secretary clinton of taking money from banks, the same thing he did. and he's going to do well tonight. there's going to be more scrutiny of his record and he'll be brought down to earth and i think he'll do less well. >> this is not the last segment. jonathan, david, thank you so much. really appreciate your coming on. next, how bernie sanders and donald trump are actually in some cases trying to appeal to some of the same undeclared on independent voters here in new hampshire. and the new hampshire secretary of state is predicting record turnout today. brian todd will be live at a polling station. that's next.
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welcome back. we're in new hampshire with america's choice. our special coverage of the first primary of 2016. as voters head to the polls, many are making up their minds as they walk into the voting booth. the latest cnn/wmur poll show that as of yesterday about 15% of likely democratic voters are still undecided and nearly a third of republican voters. brian todd is right now live at a polling location in hudson, new hampshire. brian, this is really going to come down to those undeclared or independent voters as well as the undecided ones. what have voters been telling
you? >> reporter: a lot of undeclared voters here, jake. they have broken mostly for the republicans from what they have told us, but here's how passionate the voters here in new hampshire are. they expected records here. i think they're going to get records. here in hudson, this is the hudson community center. look at this, lines out the door. it's been like this all day long. there have been lines of cars stretching up to a mile down the street. they're bringing their kids. this is 7-year-old javeon coming with his grandfather to witness some of the voting. very, very passionate voters here. you mention the undeclareds. they have been a dominant force at least here in this precinct. what they do is come over to this table, they'll say whether they are republican or democrat but if they are undeclared, they'll say that and be asked which way you want to vote. they'll be handed a pink ballot for the republicans, a blue ballot for the democrats. then they'll go vote. my team and i timed it out. the average voter takes about 35 seconds to vote. then they come back and put their tabulation into a machine
there. that gets tabulated later. and then they'll read it out to us. as of 4:00, jake, 5,726 voters have come through here. 3,438 have gone republican, 2,288 democrat and they expect this to break the record of 9,000 primary voters they had the last couple of times. jake? >> all right, thank you so much. here with me now, dana bash, cnn's chief political correspondent, ron brownstein, a c. in n political analyst and mark preston. dana, independent voters can vote with either party, undeclareds voters. our latest poll asked the voters which primary they think they would vote in. it was pretty evenly split. this really could be anyone's game. 46% republican primary, 47% democratic primary, 7% undecided. >> and that is really significant because the campaigns, especially those that tend to draw more independent
voters, john kasich for example, on the republican side, bernie sanders on the democratic side, they are trying to play the game of chess with those voters, making calls. i was with john kasich's campaign earlier today in nashua and they were specifically calling people who they had identified as leaning sanders saying he's going to win, forget that, come over to our side. don't you want to beat trump? that is such a big dynamic in this race. >> ron, let me ask you, explain to the viewers at home who might not understand, how can there be a voter torn between bernie sanders and donald trump? there are people torn between those two. >> and they're as far apart as can be on the issues but they share this ideological and position versus the establishment in the way the system is running. one of the reasons you have to keep a close eye on what happens here because independents are a bigger force here than anywhere else. how do the partisans vote. bernie sanders will do well among independents, donald trump will do well among independents.
john mccain in 2000 won among independents. didn't win among republicans and that foreshadowed the problems he faced as it went on. >> if there is record turnout or near record turnout and according to the deputy secretary of state it is approaching, heading towards record turnout, who might that help theoretically or maybe you're reluctant to say because everyone was so wrong last time. >> let's move on to the next question. look, the bottom line is when we looked at iowa we thought record turnout would help donald trump and it didn't. ted cruz had an unbelievable ground game none of us paid attention to and, guess what, it worked. i do think we are seeing feel the bern. there are people who are just very excited about bernie sanders. and john kasich, you know, as dana was saying, i think that he really is like drawing people into his camp. you know, he has spent his whole time here in new hampshire. his kind of politics lend itself here to new hampshire. so i think if you're going to look at trump, sanders, kasich, record turnout will be across
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welcome back to the special edition of "the lead." we're live at the foundry restaurant in beautiful manchester, new hampshire, where voters have just a few more hours to cast their ballots. my panel is back with me. each of you tell me what you're watching for tonight. >> on the democratic side is that question of how democrats vote, not just independents. on the republican side, whether those white collar mainstream conservatives who we've seen are the most resistant to trump can make any progress toward coalescing around one candidate around the four around which they're now fragmenting. >> what we were looking at on caucus night, donald trump, whether or not the numbers that he gets in the polls really translates to the numbers that he gets of real voters. it didn't work out so well for him in iowa.
new hampshire is a very different place for lots of reasons. first of all, it is a primary. second of all, he does have a campaign manager who knows the state. they have been putting in more time on the ground, maybe not what other campaigns have, but just whether the motivation, enthusiasm for him is going to mean a real big win or a win at all. >> interesting. and mr. preston. >> i'll tell you what i'm not looking for tonight is for someone to drop out of the race. there's no reason for them to drop out tonight. there's still a couple of days for them to collect themselves, talk to donors and perhaps get behind somebody, although i don't think something like that will happen. if chris christie comes in sixth place, seventh place, eighth place, it's a very hard path for him to continue. we also have a republican debate coming up. look to see what happens to carly fiorina in the next couple of days as well as ben carson. >> there's some talk that christie and carly fiorina, based on polls now, might not make the debate stage. although, who knows what happens after the voters have their say.
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you are back. the x1 voice remote is here. welcome back. we have a few more seconds before we have to hand it over. dana bash, i'm really looking forward. it's going to be a very exciting night. >> you've been asking everybody else questions for the last hour. what are you looking for tonight? i am looking for -- to see if the republican establishment can get its act together because donald trump and ted cruz are anti-establishment candidates, truly to their core. they came in first and second in iowa, might come in first and second flipped here in new hampshire. is the establishment whom we cover in washington, d.c., and wielded power for many, many years under president george w. bush and they control the house, they control the senate, are they going to be able to take back the presidential nomination? >> so does that mean a real
coalescing around one of the four establishment candidates? >> yeah. is there push for marco rubio or jeb bush? is that going to work at all or not? we'll see. dana bash stay here. that's it for this special edition of "the lead." dana and i will be back with cnn's special coverage of the new hampshire primary 7:00 p.m. eastern. i now turn you over to wolf blitzer in a place we like to call "the situation room." >> who wins new hampshire depends on who turns out to vote. just moments from now we'll bring you the first answers to that key question. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >> i'm anderson cooper with new hampshire's secretary of state predicting a record turnout. we've just received the first exit polling data on who is casting ballots. the question, does the mix favor one party or another, one candidate or another. we'll crunch the hours and bring tho