tv Early Start With John Berman and Christine Romans CNN February 10, 2016 1:00am-2:01am PST
the big news this morning, the big wins for donald trump and bernie sanders. the new hampshire victors in landslide style, crushing the competition. we'll talk about how they pulled off the big wins and what it means going forward. the presidential race, it is on. good morning, welcome to "early start," i'm john berman. >> and i'm christine romans. nice to see you all this morning, it's bright and early wednesday, february 10th, 4:00 a.m. in the east. big victories in the new hampshire this morning for the outsider candidates, donald trump and bernie sanders with 92% of the votes tallied in the state's first in the nation primary trump vastly outpacing his rivals, nearly 20 points ahead of john kasich, john kasich who nevertheless beat expectations with a number two finish, a second place finish. the rest of the republican pack bunched together with 12% or less. between the democrats bernie sanders also soundly beat hillary clinton in new hampshire by more than 20 points.
a painfully, painfully wide margin for clinton on the heels of his defeat in iowa last week. let's hear from the winners, sanders and trump. >> we are going to start winning again and we're going to win so much you are going to be so happy. we are going to make america so great again. maybe greater than ever before. i love you all. thank you, new hampshire. thank you. thank you, new hampshire. thank you. we are going now to south carolina, we're going to win in south carolina. >> i also hope that we all remember, and this is a message not just to our opponents but to those who support me as well, that we will need to come together in a few months and unite this party and this nation because the right wing republicans we oppose must not
be allowed to gain the presidency. let's talk about the big wins for donald trump and bernie sanders. let's bring in our panel of political experts. daily beast columnist patricia murphy, cnn political analyst josh rogen. patricia, let me start with you here. donald trump, wow. i mean, i was up in new hampshire the last five days and the whispers were donald trump he may win but it's going to be by a slimmer margin than is reflected in the polls right now, maybe single digits, but he outperformed expectations there. >> he absolutely outperformed expectations there. i was in new hampshire as well and you would go to his rallies, thousands of people in what felt like the middle of nowhere kind of a small ski town and people were coming out and it was a really -- it was a much more diverse group than i would have expected to see, not in terms of racially diverse, but there were low income, middle income, high income, women, people with kids, not a group you were expecting
to see. they weren't just there as political tourists or to see the show, they were really there for donald trump. the buzz going into the situation a lot like iowa was let's see if this is a sugar high or a poll that's got awry. it's that he has really hit a button with a broad diverse group of voters and it really showed in new hampshire. when he goes into south carolina i think we will see a similar strength because he spent a lot of time down there, he's gotten huge crowds down there and i think he is going to take this into south carolina and he's set up to do well in the next state as well. >> he has had big crowds in south carolina. thousands of people. josh, when you look at that margin for donald trump i think that's a pretty impressive margin. then you go down the list here. you've got a cluster in the 11% and below, but john kasich, john kasich with his positivity coming up number two, how does he take that going forward? >> so john kasich's investment in new hampshire really paid
off. he dedicated himself to it, he went all in and he came out with the number two. as you look forward there's not really another plausible state where john kasich could reach the number two spot until his home state of ohio which is march 15th. >> i will say march 1st you have massachusetts, you have vermont, march 8th you have michigan. i mean, they have time now -- he is not going to quit, obviously he is going to move on. they have to figure out what works for them. this may be some checker board action in this campaign where you have candidates campaigning in states that other candidates don't even step in. >> in this cycle i wouldn't put anything out of the realm of possibility. what i would say is we're basically in the same place in the republican field as we were before iowa where we're looking for a consolidation amongst the nontrump/cruz candidates. for a while after iowa, it looked like rubio was strong, that he was going to take that consolidation, then he stumbled and we are back to where we were two weeks ago, you have trump/cruz then everyone thinking who is going to be the
alternative to trump/cruz and that's wide open. >> patricia, the last few days people were saying, all right, who moves on from new hampshire. it looks like they all move on except for maybe chris christie. >> chris christie is somebody who i thought was going to move on out of new hampshire. he was looking really strong, but the polls come in, the donors don't like what they see and really nobody stops running for president you just run out of money is the old saying. i think he has probably heard from some people last night who were like i don't know about this. when you doggett to south carolina i think for kasich what he is going to run into, he made that huge investment in new hampshire, he has made no similar investment in south carolina. so for jeb bush to come in fourth, not a great growing, not as good as they wanted it to be, but to come in fourth with kasich as being the establishment guy ahead of you, they are very confident that they can pick up those kasich voters and those people who are going looking for something who is not a screamer, who can get
things done, who does have a record of what they consider good accomplishments. i think the bush people are very encouraged that the only establishment guy who finished ahead of them was john kasich. they look at those votes as their votes. >> then there is the marco rubio implosion which i think is probably open the door for john kasich and jeb bush. i want to make sure we talk about the democrats, josh, because bernie sanders he defied expectations as well. some polls had him up by 30 but no one thought it was that close. a 22-point win in new hampshire beating hillary clinton among women by 11 points. it's really an astounding win. >> beating women by 11 points, beating undeclared by over 40 points, beating clinton 18 to 29 year olds by a five to one margin. these are big demographics not only for the primary, but the democrat versus republican candidate in the general, women, young voters, these are really important general election constituencies, especially if you are looking at a marco rubio
as an opponent. so that -- this is not just a problem for hillary in the primaries, this is a problem for her if she even beats bernie sanders and makes it to the general and she's losing support amongst women and young people and independents, that's a problem that will last her to november. >> when they were asked who was most likely to win it was hillary clinton is the most electable. >> if that was your number one issue you supported hillary clinton. >> a lot of people talk about how she's got this deep well of good will when she heads to south carolina and beyond. >> i think that's right. i think the nevada caucuses might be another bit of a problem spot for her. the definition of electability is winning elections. she's going to have to start not just winning but winning convincingly. when you get to south carolina that is such a different demographic and not just
racially but you're looking at the lives that people in south carolina are living. that is a 55% african-american primary that's going on in south carolina. 63% of those voters have no college degree, 53% are living $50,000 or less. so it's a much different electorate. the issues are very different. we even heard hillary clinton talking last night, she wasn't really talking about new hampshire anymore, she was talking about flint, michigan, she was talking about problems that latinos are facing, you shouldn't have to stay awake at night waiting for somebody to knock on the door to come get you and your family. she has already changed her message. she needs to change her message. south carolina i think will be a very different experience for hillary clinton. if bernie sanders can make inroads among african-american women he will start to do better, but she already has deep infrastructure and a very long history with black voters in south carolina, particularly being barack obama's secretary of state. when i talk to voters in south carolina, democrats, its not just being the first lady but it's being a trusted adviser to
barack obama is hugely important to them, they see that as a major vote of confidence from barack obama being conferred to hillary clinton so i think that will be important for her as well. >> we'll talk much more about this in the coming minutes. big wins for donald trump and bernie sanders. big losses for hillary clinton and you might also say that marco rubio i think in some ways the big loser among republicans in new hampshire along with chris christie. >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders go head to head come in a pbs news hour democratic debate from milwaukee and we will air it here on cnn and your local pbs station at 9:00 p.m. eastern. three of the republican candidates, they will be with us. you have donald trump, you have john kasich, you have jeb bush coming up on new day. >> independents helping trump and sanders soar to victory last night. what we're learning about who voted, the issues most important to them, how that will change the campaigns ahead. next.
so what the heck happened in new hampshire? well, we have an answer sort of. the exit polls shed some light on how donald trump and bernie sanders won so big in the primary there last night. sanders had the overwhelming support of every democratic age group under the age of 65, he even won a majority of women voters. on the republican side donald trump won with voters of nearly every strike, conservatives, mod rats, first time voters and
those who have previously voted he even won among evangelical christians. >> and those exit polls showing gop voters in new hampshire don't like their party and don't like their government at the moment. let's bring back our panel of political experts. eric brat ner, chris freights, patricia murphy and josh rogen, a columnist for bloomberg view, the brain trust here bright and early this morning or late at night. eric, the sanders victory decisive here. i mean, see sighs sieve among just about every single demographic and young people, my goodness, young people love bernie sanders in new hampshire. >> yeah. the young people advantage is astounding, it was like five to one. this is something that hillary clinton can't sustain if she's going to be the democratic nominee. she can't keep getting beat by that kind of margin among young people. in some states there will be
stricter rules about who can participate in the democratic nominating process, but bernie sanders won among women here, he won with every age group other than 65 and up. so hillary clinton knows her biggest problem is among young people, though. she talks tonight about sort of admitting that and saying that, you know, even though they are not on her side right now, she will fight for them, but her campaign is going to have to retool it's message, sort of find a way to be more forward looking and reach out to young people who are going to be especially important as the clinton campaign looks at latinos and african-americans as sort of part of this fire wall she's going to have to reach young voters in those communities, too. >> one more question on the democrats before we move to the republicans, patricia. on the question of honest and trustworthy, who is the most honest and trustworthy, bernie sanders just crushes hillary clinton. it's like 92%. i think we have the graphic for
that. it's like 92% for bernie, 91% for bernie sanders. 5 -- 5 for hillary clinton. martin o'malley not in the race gets 1% there. >> it's an unbelievable spread. >> it really -- >> go ahead. >> patricia, go ahead. >> i was going to say for anybody involved in the clinton campaign that is such a deeply distressing metric because trust is something that is so hard to turn around. how do you get somebody to trust you who doesn't trust you right now? this has always been her problem. this has been her biggest vulnerability throughout this primary season and it's really starting to show i think in the voters and when talk to voters they literally say i just don't trust hillary clinton. how does the clinton campaign turn that around? i don't think there is an easy answer to that. you can retool your message, figure out who you are going to talk to, decide who is going to be your chief strategist, but how do you get voters to fundamentally change the way they feel about it, you whether they believe what you're saying or not, whether they believe
you're going to do what you say you're going to do or not. that is a difficult fundamental problem for hillary clinton going forward. she's going to basically have to change the electorate that she's in front of right now. she thinks into some of these later states, as was said before, she's going to have a different group of voters, people who are not independents, some of those closed primaries with just democratic primary voters, with african-americans who are much more likely to trust her on some of these issues. she will have to get into a different group of people who are telling her they do trust her otherwise it's hard to get somebody to change their mind. >> these exit polls show that these gop voters they don't have a very high regard for their party or the federal government at the moment. they really don't. that came through in shining colors last night. >> and that's no surprise, right, because we saw that with ted cruz as well in eye warnings the evangelicals, the exit polls
showed that was an anti-establishment vote and that was what donald trump was talking about. when you listened to his message it was we need to make america great again, we're losing to china, we're losing our military and it was a very losing lesson. i want to harken back a little bit to that hillary clinton point because i was talking to voters at a polling place today and i talked to a woman who supported hillary clinton, in fact, she watched all 11 hours of the benghazi hearing where she was being grilled on what happened in benghazi and on her e-mail in particular which has been a huge trust issue for her and she thought she was going to be a hillary supporter, then she heard bernie sanders message of we need to get the wall street banks and the fraud that's happening and take it back for the people and that really resonated with her. here was a voter who even had overcome the trust issue who was still won over by bernie sanders. so there is a huge anti-establishment strain whether you are a republican or you are a democrat this cycle
and that's very concerning to hillary clinton and to all the folks in the republican establishment lane. marco rubio, jeb bush included. >> when you win as big as donald trump won you tend to win among every demographic group but if you look at the exit polls he did well with just about everybody including evangelicals. the camera is moving around on eric. donald trump did very well among all groups. the question is can he carry it forward or is that unique to new hampshire? eric, take this on, if you will. what do you think his prospects are. i guess one area he was weak with was understand the problems of people like me. i don't think donald trump thinks he is quite like them. >> the fact that donald trump did so well here in new hampshire is really telling not just because of the demographics, but because this is a state that that historically has demanded a lot of in-person time with
candidates, somebody like john kasich did well because he did more than 100 town hall events. the fact that donald trump could do well here is telling as the race shifts to sort of a bigger more sort of wholesale political nature where he can do these big rallies and reach tons and tons of people ahead of super tuesday where it's impossible for a candidate to meet each and every one of them. the fact that he did well among evangelicals is also fascinating. it's partly because marco rubio struggled and there's still sort of this split among the alternatives to donald trump. ted cruz thinks this is great and the rest of them just wish some of these opponents would get out of the way already. when the race does sort of start to shrink to two to three candidates we will be able to know more. he is not winning a majority of republican supporters just yet, but the fact that he was able to
do so well so broadly makes him the very clear front runner here after a strong second place showing and then a win here. he is leading the national polls and these big events are going to play even better as we move into states that vote several at a time. >> guys, stand by. much more to discuss, much more on the new hampshire primary ahead, but first a new warning about the zika virus causing more damage to newborn babies than previously thought. what researchers now revealing. that's next. ething! oh i'm not a security guard, i'm a security monitor. i only notify people if there is a robbery. there's a robbery. why monitor a problem if you don't fix it? that's why lifelock does more than free credit monitoring to protect you from identity theft. we not only alert you to identity threats, if you have a problem, we'll spend up to a million dollars on lawyers and experts to fix it. lifelock. join starting at $9.99 a month.
new this morning, information that the zika virus may be causing eye abnormalities in infants. researchers studied 29 infants at a brazilian hospital, all infected with the virus and suffering from certain symptoms. ten of those infants also had damage to their retina or optic nerve. it's not clear how badly their vision is impaired. doctors say they have ruled out all other possible causes of the lesions and tissue damage in the eyes of those children. a global stock market slump some some relief today, u.s. stock market futures are higher, europe higher as well.
more big losses overnight in tokyo. oil prices are up 2%, still below $29 a barrel. that oil connection with stocks has been just ironclad here. here is where things stand right now, these are losses from the highs over the last year, this is a good measure of longer term performance, the dow down 12.7% from the high last year, nasdaq 18.4% nearing a bear market. the s&p 500 is losing 13.2%, oil has crashed, china's slow down, there are growing fears about the global banking sector. the federal reserve chair janet yellen is headed to give her testimony to congress. in new hampshire those exit polls showing the economy, wage, income inequality. >> and the big news this morning is what the voters there in new hampshire had to say. they liked that guy. they liked him a lot. donald trump there with a win like we haven't seen in decades. bernie sanders with a win the
coverage starts right now. welcome back to "early start" this morning, a special edition of "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm john berman. 30 minutes past the hour right now. wow. >> what a night. >> big victories in new hampshire for the outsider candidates, donald trump and bernie sanders. 92% of the votes tallied so far in the first in the nation primary. look at it right there, donald trump 35%, john kasich 16%. that's a 19-point margin of victory that at least equals john mccain's margin of victory in 2000. donald trump has done as well as anyone has in a long time, maybe better than that. the rest of the republican field bunched down past 12%. marco rubio not even on a board, he is in fifth place. >> on the democratic side bernie sanders he crushed hillary clinton beating her by more than 20 points, it was a 22 point margin, that is tough to take for hillary clinton on the heels of a close race in iowa last
week. you will remember hillary clinton won iowa. joining us to sort through the results eric bradner live in new hampshire. >> hey, you know, it was the night of the anti-establishment candidates here in new hampshire. after coming up a little bit short in iowa, both bernie sanders and donald trump werer able to not only get wins, but really blow out their opponents here in new hampshire. on the republican side trump doubled his competition, it was a clear victory for him, but another big story is john kasich who surged in the second plate. he really put all of his eggs in the new hampshire basket and sort of got a new lease on life for that i saw campaign here. marco rubio had a really bad night, though, after a rough debate when he was attacked by chris christie, he plummeted to fifth place and so now the big question is what happens with the opening that he has created? can some other establishment candidate, maybe a jeb bush as the race shifts to south carolina capitalize on the
opening that rubio has created? on the democratic side bernie sanders won and donald trump actually had some kind words for sanders. listen to what trump said. >> first of all, congratulations to bernie. in all fairness, we have to congratulate him. we may not like it, but i heard parts of bernie's speech. he wants to give away our country, folks. he wants to give away -- we're not going to let it happen. i don't know where it's going with bernie. we wish him a lot of luck, but we are going to make america great again but we're going to do it the old fashioned way. >> now, for sanders new hampshire was a really strong state. he had been polling well ahead of clinton here for a long time but as the race shifts to nevada and south carolina the question is whether he can broaden his appeal in states that have more minority voters. clinton is going to sharper her attacks on sanders as the race moves forward now that she's
been sort of knocked off the pedestal. sanders is preparing for that. listen to what he said tonight in his victory speech. >> i have been criticized during this campaign for many, many things. every single day. that's okay. that's all right. they're throwing everything at me except the kitchen sink and i have the feeling that kitchen sink is coming pretty soon as well. >> now, john and christine, sanders' campaign tells us that they are preparing to expand nationally with new ads in colorado, massachusetts, minnesota and oklahoma as they start to compete in super tuesday states. sanders is really trying to turn his momentum here into a national movement. john and christine. >> eric bradner, thanks for that. even trying to raise some money and crashing the website.
let's break down the winners and losers this morning. cnn politics digital reporter eric bradner, chris freight, patricia murphy and josh rogin. josh, i want to start with you. let's say on the democrats here. hillary clinton, she's got to do something. she's got to do something to rev up support among young people, young women in particular. how does she change her message, fine tune her message as she moves forward or does she need to? >> she's going to have a lot of trouble changing course at this point. she's got her campaign, it's set, she's got her strategy, she's got her people spread out around the country. she can't change who she is. she can't come up with a well-crafted message that speaks to her authenticity. it just doesn't work that way. so what she's got to try to do is stick to her game plan, reassure her supporters that this is not as bad as it looks and it looks very bad for her and sort of try to find ways on
the margins to appeal to those demographics that she seems to be clearly failing to reach, that's young voters, that's women voters and that's independents because those are the three camps she's going to need in the general election if she makes it there. >> let's listen to what hillary clinton said about the work she has to do. >> i know i have some work to do, particularly with young people, but i will repeat again what i have said this week, even -- even if they are not supporting me now, i support them. >> sort of the democratic side of the democratic challenges and the big story there. the big story on the republican side is donald trump. look, way back in june we all said -- i said he was never going to get into the race, he got in. we all said, i said, he was never going to do well. he just won the new hampshire primary decisively. he is not going anywhere. he is a force in this campaign and the question now as you head to south carolina, as you head
to the sec, what's going to stop him? >> who knows what's going to stop him. i will tell what you could stop him is a little bit of organization among the establishment republicans. if they could get together and decide which one of us is going to take this guy on. donald trump does have a number of vulnerabilities. when i went to other candidates events around new hampshire there is a deep anxiety about a donald trump nomination for republicans when i was -- i was at jeb bush events, marco rubio events, anything for any other candidate except donald trump, registered republicans and even independents were very worried about the possibility of a trump nomination. if this field starts to sort itself out, and you could start to see napping a little bit, if it looks like christie didn't doesn't go on to south carolina, kasich probably won't do well in south carolina, if marco rubio is damaged to the point that he can't make a come back you can start to see some consolidation, it can start to see a two-race, donald trump or somebody who doesn't scream all the time.
there is energy, there is enthusiasm for donald trump, there is also a lot of anxiety and anxiety against donald trump. i don't think we want to read too much into his victory in new hampshire other than the fact that he has a huge well of support among people who don't typically vote sometimes. he's got a lot of money but he's also got a lot of republicans who don't want to see him get too far. >> donald trump the clear winner last night. remarkable that margin. i will tell you who is waking up very happy this morning, john kasich is waking up very happy and he is clearly on a high and telling all of his supporters, look, enjoy this. this is a moment in your life that will never -- you know, never be repeated, this running for president and having such a surprise in new hampshire. chris frates, 16% john kasich. he is the man that emerged from that pack of governors. >> he did and he was saying all week that he thought he was running second. even though the polls showed all week that he wasn't, he came out and he had the data analytics to prove it. they invested very heavily on
finding their voters, locating them and getting them out. in fact, they had -- they took polls among all their voters and saw who were they competing with? who else the same level of support as john kasich among these competition and then they went and found out what would push them over the edge to john kasich. they were able to find those folks, particularly after the sunday -- the saturday debate, they saw a lot of movement after that saturday debate, they went back to those voters where they had about equal support among their competition and said, okay, marco rubio, for instance, you were a voter, you were with rubio, you're worried about experience, they didn't rag on rubio so much but they did say here is why john kasich is more experienced, he's been in congress, he's served as a governor, he's been in the private sector. they were targeting those voters they thought they could shift their votes very late and felt like their projections were right on. they were running a couple hundred votes ahead of where
they thought they would be. john kasich took that old school town hall, did over 100 town halls throughout new hampshire, got all over this state and really got to know the people of new hampshire. it's paying off well for him. again, big questions about whether or not he can translate that into a national campaign, guys. >> i'm a big fan of focusing on the winners, bernie sanders and donald trump but on the republican side i think there's another major development which could have really just as big of an impact going forward and that's the marco rubio implosion is too strong of a word but wif, the missed opportunity after finishing hired in iowa, the establishment was winding up about him, fox news couldn't say enough nice things about him. then he had the debate performance and the bottom fell out. now you have this muddled mess out of the new hampshire. i think things are less clear with more candidates than we thought heading into south carolina. >> marco rubio seemed to be the
one that would consolidate the establishment around. marco rubio's narrative, hess explanation of why he can win he's supposed to bridge all the republican party under one roof, evangelicals, the establishment but and there is a case for that but he is not making that case effectively. you saw him raise the stakes for his own performance in the next debate. so he's doubling down and he has one chance left to prove that he can be the guy that can carry the mantle and if he messes that up then he's in real trouble. >> his strategy was three, two, one. third in iowa, second in new hampshire, first in south carolina. it's not three, five, one. i mean, it's hard to bounce back. >> i think eventually if you want to be president, you're marco rubio, you have to win a state. you can't win the nomination without winning a state. if south carolina is not going to be that state and that looks a lot less likely than it did last night or even two days ago thn he's got to come up with something else and that's his
big problem. in the end, though, i keep coming back to this, if you look at the establishment candidates there is not really a stronger one out there. you have the ted cruz wing and then who is going to replace marco rubio for the establishment? jeb bush? kasich who doesn't have a ground game in south carolina? chris christie who might drop out tomorrow. i don't see it. i don't know where you go. >> these are early days, that's what's so exciting, there is a big field, that's still exciting. look, these other states don't look like iowa and new hampshire. so the whole story line can change again. >> my friend john king says no republican candidate has won the nomination since 1968 without winning either iowa or new hampshire. it hasn't happened. not ever in the modern system. so that means if history holds it's either ted cruz or donald trump. >> big night for bernie sanders. big night for donald trump. no question. >> stick around there's some more to talk about and so much more to look forward to. hillary clinton and bernie sanders, they will debate tomorrow night. it is a pbs news hour debate. we are simulcasting it.
you can see it right here on cnn. this debate is in milwaukee. watch it here on cnn 9:00 p.m. or your local pbs stations. i'm going to watch it on cnn. should be exciting. >> voters breaking down their decisions to cnn why sanders, why trump were their choices and how the night's losers are planning to come back if at all.
the beautiful things about exit polls is you can really, really see what voters were thinking and saying in new hampshire. they're shedding light on how donald trump and bernie sanders won so decisively that primary last night. they paint a picture of a democratic party divided by gender, divided by age and a republican party deeply dissatisfied, shall we say angry with the federal government. >> you can use the word angry. >> sanders had the overwhelming support of every democratic age group under 65 and a majority of female voters, while on the republican side trump won with voters of nearly every stripe. he won conservatives, mod rats, first time voters and he won people who have previously voted. he won everyone. >> he won everyone, except -- except understands the problems of people like me, which again -- >> because there is no one like donald trump. >> we're going to dig through these numbers. let's bring back our panels, we're joined by eric bradner,
chris frates, patricia murphy. i'm stricken with data as we say. patricia, there are two numbers that jump off the page to me with hillary clinton. number one is female voters, she lost. she lost women voters in new hampshire by 11 points. right? that is big for hillary clinton. and the other thing sit issue of trust. when you ask voters who wins on being honest and trustworthy, she just -- she doesn't even register. it was practically unanimous for bernie sanders which is a very astounding thing to see. she's got to change both of these if she's going to win anywhere. yes, she may have advantages in states with more minority voters and where just democrats vote, but unless she turns these numbers around it ain't going to happen. >> it's not going to happen especially because the majority of voters in democratic primaries are women so if you are losing the women's vote
you're not going to win the democratic primary, the numbers just don't add up. i think we're talking so much about issues, i think it's important also to talk about hillary clinton's style. i attended a number of her events. they were just relatively business like, a little bit per funk ri, a little bit like a board meeting and you go to sanders events and they are a cross between a revival and mardi gras and people are losing their minds and they are so passionate about this man. hillary clinton, i don't know how she does it but she needs to get some sort of plug into that. she is just not inspiring confidence and hope and there's just no inspiration behind that campaign right now. it's not attracting voters. i think if it comes down to a democrat versus a republican in a general election, voters are often choosing the lesser of two evils. hillary clinton could very well be the lesser of two evils if she's going up against somebody
who independents have a lot of distrust about, if somebody like donald trump were to win the nomination she might feel like she is in a good position or ted cruz, but hillary clinton is missing a little bit of magic. voters right now are looking for inspiration, they're hurting so much in their daily lives. bernie sanders is delivering that, even donald trump is delivering that. he is he is telling them a hopeful message, donald trump is if you can believe t not only will he make the country great again, he's like i'm going to make you proud to be an american. that's a message that works and we aren't hearing anything like that from hillary clinton. >> josh, looking at these polls on the republican side, the anger at the federal government, the anger at their own party. you see that gop revolt, that rebellion in those numbers. >> right. there's a big battle going on inside the republican party and the establishment is losing that battle. now, if you look in past years the last time the establishment lost the republican nomination was when barry goldwater took it. it's been a while. this year sun likely nert year
and the trump campaign has been so disruptive that that could be the year that that happens again. if you drill down it's really not about the policy issues themselves. trump's policies, he does have them, he has advisors, he's doing all sorts of things behind the scenes. >> build a wall. >> bomb the oil and take the oil. which one? you can't bomb it and take it. it doesn't really have to make sense. when you get the candidates who are really good on policy, jeb bush and marco rubio it just doesn't work. hillary clinton faces a similar problem. she's a great record, secretary of state, knows everything there is no know about foreign policy. bernie sanders doesn't want to talk about foreign policy and nobody seems to mind. in this disruptive, very weird, very unique election year the policy wonks are just not selling it and that leaves another opening for the disruptive anger driven candidates. >> donald trump, understands people like you.
the exit polls with bernie sanders were overwhelmingly positive for him. one of them was on democratic voters. if you look at just registered democrats who voted in the democratic primary, he actually ties hillary clinton. it's 49/49. eric, you've been covering the sanders campaign going forward. we have 20 seconds left. does bernie sanders know he's got a problem here? he's got to start winning more democrats if he's going to win. >> he does. he's spending his entire campaign on the idea of ee panneding the electorate, bringing new people in. if you go to his events they look like the future of the democratic party, perhaps not the coalition of voters that wins a primary or wins an election. he's definitely making an effort to make inroads with those democratic voters but he's also telling people point-blank that if he doesn't get big voter turnout, if he doesn't expand the electorate, bring young people in, the people he's winning five to one he can't win elections. his campaign is going to be targeting caucus and primary
states where independents, new voters, can register on caucus day, on primary day and he's going to try to rack up delegates in those states. >> a lot more to discuss here. we will drill down on the money part of that exit polling, folks. the top issue for primary voters in new hampshire the economy and jobs. exit polling shows that's what 32% of republican voters said was the most important issue, the economy and jobs, that's more than government spending, more than terrorism, more than immigration. guess who won big among that group? trump won big among the group who say economy and jobs were most important important. >> on the democratic side economy and jobs also high. income inequality, then healthcare, then terrorism. new hampshire's economy strong. south carolina poses a different economic challenges for these candidates. unemployment in new hampshire 3.1%, one of the lowest nationwide. south carolina 5.5%, that is above the national average. median household income in new hampshire $20,000 above the
national level, south carolina it's almost $10,000 below that mark. interesting how each of these states is going to pose a different set of metrics for these candidates. >> absolutely. all right. much more on the new hampshire primary ahead. such big news there. there is other news as well. could criminal charges be coming in the flint water crisis? we have new developments this morning. that's next.
new this morning the zika virus may be causing eye abnormalities in instants. researchers studied 29 kids at a brazilian hospital all infected with the virus and suffering from brain damage. ten of those also had damage to their retina or optic nerve. it is not clear yet how badly their vision is impaired. doctors say they've ruled out all other possible causes of the lesions and tissue damage that they're finding in those babies' eyes. >> a democratic house hearing on the flint water crisis will go on today without michigan
governor rick snyder. snyder says he cannot testify because he has to deliver a budget presentation to his state legislature. a special investigators for michigan's attorney general is not ruling out criminal charges in connection with the lead contamination crisis. he's even suggesting involuntary manslaughter charges to be on the trouble. with the democratic sedate there on march ofth the national spotlight will be on flint like it has never been before. it will be interesting how quickly change comes there. a sobering warning about the likelihood of an isis attack on u.s. soil. isis will probably attempt an attack on the u.s. in the coming here. james clapper says they are taking advantage of the refugee crisis in syria to cross borders in europe. fbi technicians cannot figure out how to unlock encrypted data on a cellphone owned by the terrorist couple
who killed 14 people in san bernardino. they've been working on this for two months. they are tries to retrace the movements of the two and they believe the data on that phone could contain critical clues. >> interests there. so much interesting happening in new hampshire. big wins for donald trump and bernie sanders. we have new reaction when "early start" continues when? >> right now. >> you got it. our breaking news this morning, donald trump, bernie sanders winning the new hampshire primary, landslide victories over their competitors. how they pulled it off, two very different revolutions and what this means for the presidential race going forward. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm john berman. great to see you this morning. what a morning. wednesday, february 10th. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. man, just huge victories in new hampshire for the outsider candidates. donald trump and bernie sanders.
raise your hand if you thought this was going to happen in june. none of you have your hands raised right now. with about 92% of the votes tallied in the state's first in the nation primary donald trump is 19 points ahead of john kasich there. nearly -- more than two to one over kasich. a lot of guys clumped at 12, 11, 10%. marco rubio not even on the board there. looks like he's finished fifth on the democratic side bernie sanders he won big, 22 points ahead of hillary clinton. wow. look at that. that is a painfully wide margin for hillary clinton on the heels of that very close race in iowa, she eeked out such a close win there, a close win in iowa, epic defeat in new hampshire. wow. joining us now to sort through the results cnn politics reporter eric bradner who is still live, still cold in new hampshire. good morning. >> hi, john. so it was revenge of the outsiders here in new hampshire. after coming in second in iow