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david gergen, thanks, appreciate it. great wisdom from the guy who's been through it. thank you so much for watching. i'm going to pats it off to another guy with a lot of wisdom, wolf blitzer. he starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer, it's 1:00 p.m. in washington, 6:00 p.m. in london, 8:00 p.m. in jerusalem. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. up first, so-called political outsiders turning the presidential race upside down. a brash billionaire businessman and reality tv star is, a 74-year-old self-declared democratic socialist both winning very big in the first primary election of the 2016 campaign. senator bernie sanders trouncing hillary clinton 60% to 38% in new hampshire primary. on the republican side donald trump took 35% of the vote, ohio governor john kasich finished second with 16%.
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followed by senator ted cruz, former florida governor jeb bush and senator marco rubio. trump told cheering supporters he'll fix the country's problems, including the economy and creating jobs. >> if we had 5% unemployment, do you really think we'd have these gatherings? forgetting about security, forgetting about isis which, by the way, we're going to knock the hell out of isis, we're going to knock the hell out of them and it's going to be done the right way. so we'll take care of the economy and jobs, all of the things that i said. we are going to make our country so strong. we are going to start winning again. we don't win anymore. as a country, we don't win on trade, we don't win with the military, we can't beat isis. we don't win with anything we are going to start winning again and we're going to win so much, you are going to be so happy, we
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are going to make america so great again. maybe greater than ever before. >> donald trump 's clear win in new hampshire leave little doubt he's the republican front-runner going into south carolina. cnn correspondent phil mattingly is joining us now. phil, does this win change trump's strategy as he moves from new england to south carolina? >> i think it hones in on the fact that for donald trump as he moves to the southern state he is needs to make things more like new hampshire and less like what happened in iowa and that means getting to work on the ground. if you look across the south, south carolina included, donald trump with double-digit leads. his campaign has made a concerted effort to have rallies in some of those southern states, to try to coalesce support for this really crucial period in the coming weeks ahead. what donald trump needs to do is make sure he can convert those top-line numbers into actual vote, something he clearly did here in new hampshire last night. something his campaign team
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making very clear they need to figure out a way to do that going forward. one of the key things they'll be doing, wolf, attacking hard on ted cruz, somebody else who has risen throughout the south, paid a lot of attention there, has a very strong ground game in south carolina. but one of the more interesting elements will be how he treats marco rubio. he's taken a few swipes at him today in the wake of marco rubio's disappointing finish in new hampshire last night. weren't he focuses entirely on tru ted cruz or laces into marco rubio will be interesting to keep an eye on going forward. >> trump did well. he beat kasich by more than, what, 55,000 votes. he was ahead of cruz by more than 60,000 votes in new hampshire. phil, thank you. on the democrat side, the vermont senator bernie sanders is also riding very high right now from his huge win in new hampshire, sanders is hoping to cut into hillary clinton's support among minority voters and his victory speech last night he touched on the issues of race and discrimination. >> not only are we going to
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fight to end institutional racism and a broken criminal justice system -- [ cheers and applause ] we are going to provide jobs and education for our young people not jails and incarceration. national correspondent jason carroll is joining us with more on sanders's minority out reach. he had an important meeting, tell us about that. >> i know what you're leaking for, wolf, you're looking for the answer in terms of whether or not reverend al sharpton decided to endorse bernie sanders but the answer to that question is not yet, at least not until he has the opportunity, he says, to meet with hillary clinton. he says that meeting is going to take place next thursday. we also asked about what they -- the two men discussed during their 20-minute meeting at sylvia's restaurant.
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he said they talked about issues affecting the african-american community, the flint water crisis. he said they spoke about police brutality as well as affirmative action as you know, clinton is outpoll, outpacing sanders in the african-american community as well as the latino community but having said that, sanders still picked up the endorsement from ben jealous, former naacp leader who was out here today with sanders. he says sanders has been on the right side of the issues since day one. >> there is no candidate in this race who is fiercer in standing up for those who need allies in the struggle than bernie sanders. he has been consistent since he was a teenager, a young man going to jail in chicago with the congress of racial equality, fighting housing segregation. >> jealous says he expects
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sanders to pick up more endorsements from african-american leaders in south carolina within the next couple days. wolf? >> he had a very impressive win. he beat hillary by 55,000 votes in new hampshire as well. jason carroll in harlem for us. thank you. ohio governor john kasich, he certainly is savoring a second-place finish in the new hampshire primary. kasich says his positive message resonated with voters. cnn's sara murray spoke with him on his flight from new hampshire to south carolina and asked him about an attack plan by jeb bush claiming kasich will weaken the u.s. military. >> they ought to get this thing figured out at some point. they're spending so much money, i don't know who's advising them but i think i that's silly, i'm weakening the military? i don't even understand what you're talking about. what do you think the bush campaign spent against me? >> $7 million or $8 million. >> there was $4 million spent by another super pac, that was $12 million. rubio spent money against me, another million and a half.
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that's like $15 million of direct hits and that doesn't even count the mail pieces and we beat everybody except trump who never attacked me. so i know we can't just go through this, you know, like falling off a turnip truck and saying everything is going to be positive because i'm going to have to respond to some of this stuff but i'm starting to really think we're on to something. i'm starting to really think that the positive nature of a campaign can be very effective. i'm starting to think it could be true. >> kasich is campaigning in south carolina today but he also says he's looking ahead to michigan, other midwestern states is the primary there is in march. he, of course, is from ohio. let's get perspective on the republican side of the presidential race, donald trump wins big, marco rubio stalled momentum at least for now. joining us to talk about that and more, the chief political
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correspondent for usa radio network, a trump supporter and amanda carpenter our cnn political commentator, former communications director for senator ted cruz. thanks so much, ladies, for joining us. let me start with you, scotty, donald trump said he's rewriting the presidential election play book right now. there l this strategy that clearly worked for him in new hampshire work in south carolina, a very different state? >> it is a very different state but it's almost like an emergence. you have to take what you learn in iowa, what you learn in new hampshire and apply in the south carolina. now, when we look at the difference of what happened last night, we learned one thing, that new hampshire republicans are not the same as iowa republicans so you go to south carolina and you get a good mix of both. for donald trump, what's great is that it looks like the accomplishment is going to be divided between marco rubio and jeb bush because of their endorsement which is makes a great opportunity for someone like donald trump who has very
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populist views as well as ted cruz to reach out to those voters. now the question is will the two men play nice or continue to fight off this bromance that ended a couple weeks ago. >> look, amanda, at this donald trump ad that really, really goes after senator cruz. this is an ad playing in south carolina. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> what kind of man talks from both sides of his mouth on amnesty for illegals on national television and still denies it? who took more than a million dollars in sweetheart loans from wall street banks and fails to disclose them as required by law, who runs a campaign accuse odd of dirty tricks that tried to sabotage ben carson with false rumors? ted cruz, the worst kind of washington insider who just can't be trusted. >> is that going to be an effective ad in south carolina, amanda. >> donald trump loves a negative campaign. these are attacks that donald trump has tried to wage before, didn't really go anywhere but what is really interesting about
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south carolina that is it is a cruz/trump race and jeb and rubio competing in the second tier for a consolation prize. so trump and cruz will go at each other, i think cruz will continue to answer trump's attacks with humor. really not engage because here's the thing, donald trump has a temperament problem, kevin say this, cruz needs to keep anymore that box and keep plowing ahead talking to people about his consistent, conservative record and when he stood up for conservative values when others didn't. i put donald trump in that box. we didn't hear about him through the obamacare fight when cruz was fighting the gang of eight, when cruz was fighting against gun control legislation so that's a conversation cruz will be happy to have it puts him in higher ground and stays away from mudslinging. trump can continue to do that but cruz isn't interested in answering it. >> well, cruz has his own ad. it has humor but slams trump.
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scott t scottie, listen to this. >> hillary, i'll give you money to be my friend. >> check out my house, mr. trump. >> that's a lousy house. i'll take your house in eminent domain and park my limos there. >> we wouldn't tolerate these values in our children, why would we want them a president. >> eminent domain! >> eminent domain. trump, he supports eminent domain whereby the government for private purposes, for public purposes can go ahead and buy various properties, including homes if they need it for roads, transportation, hospitals, schools other things like that. trump says it's great, cruz has a problem with it. that was the add right there, scottie. >> he does sound like he's playing nice and staying above the fray. that's great but he voted for the tpa bill and he was absent
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for the audit the fed bill, some of those things that are very important to south carolina voters. which means he goes along with the idea of the politicians which is why donald trump is surging in the polls. people are tired of folks who talk the talk, they want folks who walk the walk. most of the people in congress have proven they're just all talk. >>. >> i want both of you to stand by. there's a campaign event in south carolina right now, marco rubio is speaking, let's listen in for a moment. >> we need a president that will rebuild our military, not gut it. we have someone coming to south carolina, running for president, another senator, i'm narrowing the list for you. [ laughter ] the only budget he's ever voted for is a budget sponsored by rand paul that brags about cutting defense spending. i'm going to tell you why that's such a terrible idea. today our army is about to become the smallest it has been since the end of world war ii. our navy is about to be smaller
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than it's been in a century. in a hundred years. we are about to have the smallest navy in a hundred years. and our air force is almost on the verge of being not just smaller but our planes older than they have ever been in the history of the u.s. air force. and it's not like the world has gotten safer. you have a lunatic with nuclear weapons in north korea, china is taking over the most important shipping lane in the world, vladimir putin is creating all kinds of chaos in europe and in the middle east. iran is going to get $100 billion of sanctions relief. they're not going to use that to build orphanages. they're going to use it to build a military, sponsor terrorists like hezbollah and ultimately buy or build a nuclear weapon. >> let's go back to amanda and scottie. amanda, you can see, not such a thinly veiled reference to senator cruz. he's complaining about senator cruz's record on defense spending, your reaction. >> this is one of the reasons that conservatives haven't really latched on to marco's candidacy. that talking point is a typical
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budgetary gimmick that republican establishment has used for many times. if you vote for a cut in future spending somehow that's a cut. that's not the case. marco ask can have that fight but here's a problem with marco's candidacy. he hasn't recognized what lane he should play in. he doesn't understand what kind of candidate and where his voters are. throughout this race he's tried to chase the tail of ted cruz and donald trump while meanwhile jush, chris christie and others have been nipping at his heels. we saw that play out in dramatic fashion in the last republican debate and now marco's getting dragged back down into the second tier and bush has a big fat target on rubio's back and, frankly, i'm worried about the stakes rubio has raised for himself going into the next debate. he says a poor performance will never happen again. well, that's a big promise and he'll have to deliver to have any chance next week. >> very quickly, your final thought, scottie. >> well, the only reason we're talking at senator rubio and any success he had in iowa is because, as amanda pointed, you have ted cruz and donald trump going after each other.
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kasich has this right. people want an optimistic positive campaign and it's going to be rubio reaping any benefit of any fight that happens between trump and cruz. >> scottie hughes, amanda carpenter, thanks so much to both of you. the excitement is beginning. up next, the new hampshire primary proved debate performances do, in fact, make a real difference. what will hillary clinton and bernie sanders do differently when they face off tomorrow night in milwaukee, wisconsin? we have the democratic national committee chair debbie wasserman schultz, there she is. she's standing by live. we'll discuss with her right after this. living with chronic migraine
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bernie sanders is going national with his presidential campaign after winning very big in new hampshire. he's also preparing for his next debate against hillary clinton tomorrow night. debbie wasserman schultz is the chair of the democratic national committee, she's a congresswoman from florida. congress woman, thanks very much for joining us, i know you're joining us from dnc headquarters here in washington before you fly out to milwaukee for the debate tomorrow. what does bernie sanders' blowout win over hillary clinton mean for the state of the democratic presidential context?
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>> i mean, from our perspective as a national party and from our state party's perspective across the country the enthusiasm that has been obvious and evident based on the turnout in voters for the campaign as well as the turnout last night which appears to be approaching a record for just two candidates compared to 11 candidates generating slightly more turnout really says a lot about the enthusiasm for our candidates and what voters are looking for which is a substantive robust discussion about continuing to build on the economic success we've been able they have no the last 71 straight months of job growth in the private sector and that they don't want to the go back yard the extremists on the republican side want to go. >> when you look at exit polls from the democratic voters in new hampshire yesterday, 92% said bernie sanders was honest, you see the numbers there. only 6% said the same thing
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about hillary clinton and look at this, 82% said bernie sanders cares about the issues people like me care about. that was the question. only 17% said hillary clinton cares in that way. is that a problem? seems like a serious problem for hillary clinton. >> at the end of the day, voters will have confidence as they have in the last five out of six presidential elections that our eventual nominee cares about their well-being, focuses on making sure that they can reach the middle-class by fighting to make sure they can get a good job that pays a decent wage, fighting to maintain the safety net that is their retirement security and social security and medicare, by fighting to make sure they can keep access to health care coverage that everyone in america, including 19 million americans that didn't have it before so that they can keep it. what they won't do is embrace the republican extremism, the establishment moderate wing of the republican party has been swallow bid the tea party.
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marco rubio's collapse is evidence, he's a tea party darling and twhoofs the moderates and the establishment in the republican party were pinning their hopes on. that's obliterated. >> the question is why hillary clinton is doing so poorly among these various groups. look at this. it's another serious problem she has. bernie sanders, according to all of the exit polls, women voters under 65, all levels of education on all the issues, whether health care, economy, terrorism, they liked him a lot more than they liked her and she wants to be the first woman president of the united states, why does she have a problem apparently in iowa now also in new hampshire with especially younger women. >> wolf, i know you're trying hard to get me to comment on the attributes or deficiencies of either one of our candidates. i'm not taking the debate. what we're doing at the national party is helping to make sure we can prepare for our eventual nomineened when we have a nominee it's clear to me from the outcome of the priorities
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that have been demonstrated by voters casting their ballots that the american people want to continue to support the policies that a democratic president under barack obama has advanced that pulled us from the worst recession and economic crisis we had since the great depression, losing 800,000 jobs a month, that all of the republicans call the glory days that we should go back to and they will embrace our eventual nominee and because they want to make sure they have a president who's going to continue to have their back, not one that will pull us backwards. >> here's a wild card that could emerge in the next two or three weeks, the former new york city mayor michael bloomberg says publicly he's considering a run for president as a third party independent candidate. and people close to him have told me he's very concerned that hillary clinton just doesn't have it. she can't beat the republicans and he certainly doesn't like bernie sanders and several of the positions he takes. how much of a problem with would that be from the democratic party if michael bloomberg were to run? >> like i've said previously, i
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think to you specifically, i think michael bloomberg when he takes a good close look at where his priorities are in terms of the issues he wants the president to fight for and advance he will conclude that those are well cared for in the democratic nominees' priority and agenda, not cared for by any of the rabbs that are running right now. on the contrary, they would roll back progress on issues like education and consumer protection and gun safety and protecting people from people who would do them harm so i think ultimately he'll conclude that hirsch issues are well cared for in our party and will choose not to run and we'll find it's not necessary for him to run to make sure those issues have a home in our party's candidate for president. >> debbie wasserman schultz is the chair of the democratic national committee. thank you for joining us! thank you, wolf. >> don't miss the next faceoff between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. they'll be in wisconsin tomorrow
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night for the pbs hour in democratic presidential debate. that will be simulcast on 9:00 p.m. that's tomorrow night on cnn and your local pbs station. coming up, the republican establishment gets trumped. what lessons can the party taked from the new hampshire exit polls? plus will the field thin out in the coming days? i'll speak to the chairman of the republican national committee, reince priebus, there he is. we'll get his thoughts right after the break. oh remotes, you've had it tough.
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second presidential contest failed to clarify for who gets to be the so-called establishment candidate. joining us now is the chairman of the republican national committee, reince priebus. reince, thanks for joining us: let's talk about what happened in new hampshire and what it means for the party, john kasich, jeb bush, chris christie, marco rubio, if you look at the results -- and we have them on the screen right there -- they combine for 45% of the vote in new hampshire last night do you believe it would benefit the voters if they had a clear -- if they had clearer choices with fewer candidates? in other words, do you welcome the possibility that more of these republican presidential candidates might suspend their campaigns? >> well, it's not a matter of whether, wolf, i welcome it or wish for it, it just happens naturally so there's just not enough lard money to go around but i think it's going up to the voters and the delegates in south carolina and nevada and march 1 super tuesday. i think this thing will get
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sorted out 5,% of the delegates get awarded in february, 60% get awarded in march so it's early, this will play itself out and we'll get to a good place in our party where we rally around a particular person and look what we get to run against. i mean we get hillary clinton who can't win women, can't win young people, people don't trust her or a socialist from vermont. so, yeah, we've got a lot of intrigue and drama going on but we also have a lot of interest and we've gotten a opponent coming up that's very, very weak. >> how worried are you reince that some of these republican presidential candidates are really clashing, attacking each other, they're going after each other big time as the leader of the republican party, does that bother you? >> sure it bothers me. but you'll have punches and shoves and pushes. it's normal and a limited amount
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of time. we're sitting here in february and it seems like things that happened in january is two years ago so when we get to march, april, may, june, july, it will feel like forever, wolf, and we'll be interviewing with each other in june and say remember back when, like, oh, yeah. it's going to get old, it's going to get clarified and feel like it was a long time ago when we're sitting in the middle of summer with the nominee. >> i'm sure you took a close look at the republican primary exit polls from new hampshire last night. here's a few numbers that may be of concern for you. 47% of the republican voters said they felt betrayed by republican politicians. 50% of them said the next president should be from outside the so-called establishment. are you worried about those numbers? these are republican primary voters. no, not really, because i think a lot of people in both parties are mad at the parties, mad at
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the system, mad at washington that is a factional type government. it's sort of very difficult obviously. people don't want to have time for things not getting done so i think it's normal and common and i expect that that sort of vein is going to play it out the next few months and we'll have a unified party when it's done and those folks are -- as long as they're staying in involved which they keep folks involved in the party that they will participate come november, 2016. >> i'll ask you what i asked debbie wasserman schultz about michael bloomberg, the former new york city mayor thinking seriously of running as a third party independent candidate. he said the level of discourse and discussion is distressingly banal and an outrage and insult to voters, welcome welcome a third party run by bloomberg.
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>> i don't view it as a third party, i view it as another democrat so you'll have two democrats running and splitting their vote. look, he's been fighting and pounding away at republicans for how long now? he wants to tax slurpees and sodas. the guy is a liberal democrat so great, if they want to have two democrats run and split their vote and let us compete in places like connecticut and new hampshire and maine, places we used to win 20 years ago, we'll take it. honestly it's no skin off our back. >> donald trump said the same thing. if he wants to run that's fine with him. >> it's true, that's why. i mean, it's just -- >> go ahead, finish your thought. >> no, i was going to say because it's just true. i mean, he hasn't been friendly to the republican party in years and years and so at the end of
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the day he takes their votes away. he can't get to 270 electoral votes, it's not possible. even if he did win, he'd put the race in the hands of paul ryan and i would imagine paul will choose the republican. >> it goes to the house of representatives if nobody gets 270 electoral votes. reince, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> reince priebus is the chairman of the republican national committee. still ahead, the u.s. fight against isis, a new assessment says the militant terror group is being helped by russian air strikes. we'll explain the latest information coming in. stay with us. when your type 2 diabetes numbers aren't moving in the right direction, it can be a burden. but what if you could wake up to lower blood sugar?
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the u.s. battle against isis now being fought on several fronts and today we're learning more about the progress being made in iraq and syria. our chief national security corespondent jim sciutto is here. yesterday top u.s. national intelligence officials warn of likely isis attacks here in the united states this year. you're getting more information on what emerged from that intelligence assessment. >> well, his assessment particularly on the threat to the u.s. homeland and this from both the head of dni, the director national tell intense but head of the intelligence agency is that isis will attempt attacks on u.s. soil in 2016, what's key, san bernardino, deadly attack since 2007. that was inspired by isis. they're talking about isis attempting to direct attacks on u.s. soil, in other words, devote resources to carry out terror. >> as they did in paris. >> as they did in paris, exactly. they don't have the same connection they have to europe in terms of easily getting fighters to their there from syria and iraq but they know and they made this very clear in testimony yesterday that this is
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extremely important to isis leadership. this is a strategic emphasis for them now to carry out terror here. >> and the notion that the u.s. and its allies, the iraqis, they're making progress on the ground in iraq right now and in syria against isis, what are they saying about that? >> that's right. so on the good side, great mcguirk, in charge of the president's fight against isis, he said in his testimony today that in terms of territory that isis has lost 40% of the territory that it had in iraq 10% in syria. the u.s. has killed 90 senior mid-level seniors. a reference that seems to say that when they did this raid to capture abu sigh jeayyaf, we kn that, but it was the most ever for a special operations raid.
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on the negative side, he said russian activity there is directed principally at directing regime of of bashar al assad is having a negative effect in the fight against isis. here's what brett mcgurk had to say. >> assad cannot remain in power if we are going to get out of this incredibly difficult situation. as i mentioned, discussed with the chairman, what's going on north of aleppo, my job on isil, fighting isil, we had real progress to push across what we call if mare line and the russian air strikes have pulled those forces to fight the regime. so what russia is doing is enabling isil. >> so u.s. allies on the ground that were fighting isis that the u.s. was backing with intelligence, air strikes, et cetera, have divert ed to fight the regime. that's a real loss. >> a real loss, a complicated situation, very complicate.
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ed. afghanistan, too, we'll get to that, later, no doubt. a blast from the past, u.s. troops going into helmand province, haven't heard in in a while. jim sciutto, thanks very much. coming up, bernie sanders won new hampshire by a landslide, what role will that play down the line in places like south carolina and nevada? we'll discuss that and more when we come back.
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the stage is set for the pbs hour in democratic presidential debate which will be simulcast on cnn tomorrow night. the candidates will meet again this time in milwaukee. but the dynamic may have shifted. bernie sanders delivered a crushing blow in the new hampshire primary last night. he captured 60% of the vote compared to hillary clinton's 38%. he won by some 55,000 votes. let's discuss this and more. i'm joined by cnn political commentators maria cardona and van jones. maria, a lot of people anticipated a bernie sanders win but this was a huge win that surprised so many people, is he now considered a very, very
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serious threat to hillary clinton's campaign? >> well, i think he's certainly considered a very serious contender during the primary and i think the clinton campaign is certainly looking at him as that. it was a terrific night for him. there's no question about that and it was a tough night for hillary clinton but let's keep this in perspective. it was the second contest when you get through with the first four states, you're only going to have been decided 4% of the delegates and so it's very, very early. going into south carolina and nevada and in the states for super tuesday, the terrain is more favorable for hillary clinton and that is what they'll be focusing on. having said that, it doesn't mean she doesn't have to learn lessons from what has happened thus far and she was very clear about that last night and there f there's anything we know about hillary, her true grit was forged in the heat of these kinds of battles so she's going to move forward with a message of bringing everybody together
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and working on everyone's behalf and having those personal connections in these diverse communities where she has been working for decades and so that's what they'll be underscoring. >> van, bernie sanders won in the age demographics, voters 18 to 64 in new hampshire, he won decisively. the only demographic she won were voters 65 years and older t so what does she need to learn to attract younger voters? >> well, you know, i think a big thing she made a mistake on, she tried to bring out these feminist icons to try to almost shame young women into being for her. and i think that was a completely wrong way to go she kind of started dropping this feminist bombs on their own campaign because these young women today are very sophisticated on issues of gender, sexuality, transgender, all this different stuff so they have a very sophisticated conversation going on nobody
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wants to be lectured to by someone their grandma's age. i that was a big mistake. she needs to recognize there is real pain out there for democrats, for independents and republicans, people hurt, people are going to holler. and she needs to welcome in a different way this expression of real concern on the part of young people. don't take it personally and make sure that she's connecting with their emotions, not just with their policy needs.
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part of the act. they like to be empowered of don't like to just be talked to. i think that's what she will focus on going forward. >> we'll focus on these
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conversations down the road. maria, van, thanks. coming up, south carolina. jeb bush preparing for a political slugfest as the primary season shifts south. does he have the upper hand of being the so-called alternative to donald trump and ted cruz? we'll talk about that and much more when we come back. text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. send. brad could use a new bike. send. [siri:] message. you decide. they're your kids. why are you guys texting grandma? it was him. it was him. keep your family connected. app-connect. on the newly redesigned passat. from volkswagen.
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>> but after a fourth place finish in new hampshire, a sixth place finish in iowa, what kind of finish does he need in south
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carolina to be credible? >> well, he needs i think to move ahead of the other contestants in his lane, wolf. two inc. big things happened in new hampshire. one is that donald trump demonstrated again that his appeal transcends most of the usual boundaries in the gop. he was strong across gender lines, age lines, ideological lines. and the weakest link is his standing among those white collar college educated republicans, and that lane sampl simply did not consolidate it. marco rubio tumbled badly. he dropped 20 points relative to iowa among conservative and moderate voters. that's what is giving jeb bush a second chance in south carolina. it's less the strength of his performance than than the weakness of rubio's in south carolina where he has organized quite a bit to reemerge as the champions of those voters. >> as you know a politico quoted
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a marco rubio aid is quoted as saying south carolina is going to be a quote blood bath between rubio and bush. who has the better ground game in south carolina right now? >> i think they both have strong organizations there and both have is lot of local support. i think marco rubio is more deeply emb deeply -- jeb bush is more deeply embedded in the state. south carolina has been the signer in every contested race. one candidate won iowa, a second won new hampshire, one of the two won south carolina and that person was the nominee. what happened last night, he has a big advantage in the long run to trump. not only because he is strong but when you look at the other candidates, ted cruz, marco rubio, kasich or bush, none of them are appealing across the
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country. they are locked in to one niche without the bredth needed to take on the trump juggernaut. >> how important for jeb bush that his brother, the former president george w. bush plans on campaigning with him in south carolina? >>ic it's important among the voters he can compete for. as we talked about before, the tea party really began in large part as a reaction or rebellion against george w. bush who many view as a big government conservati conservative. now that bush is clearly planted in the mainstream lane, appeals to the disaffected voters who are divided among cruz and trump maybe along evangelical class lines. i think for that party of the party centered an columbia and south carolina, george w. bush can be an asset. i think that's why south carolina is so important because all of the elements of the republican coalition are pretty evenly divided there. and you have the foundation for
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the trump candidacy on the blue collar side and the bush candidacy from the evangelical side and then who can manage the managerial component party. the news continues next on cnn. just a short time in now a significant and pointment moment for america's commander in chief. it was nine years ago on this very day president barack obama. then senator president barack obama announced his bid for the white house in springfield, illinois. today he will return to that very building and those very steps there in springfield to reflect on his successes and confront his failures in a

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