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overwhelming victory in the new hampshire primary. is the republican establishment ready to take trump seriously? and president obama goes back to the city where he launched his presidential campaign nineyears ago talking about his political achievement and nailiefailures. there's a lot to get to in the hour ahead. as we count down to super tuesday on march 1st. joining me now is mckay come ton. the outsiders, donald trump, bernie sanders were victorious last night. how rattled is the establishment on both sides? >> i think it's somewhere between rattled and outride panic from what i understand.
i spent last night at marco rubio's primary rally. remember that just a few days ago before his kind of debate stage meltdown, he was seen as a surging candidate, somebody who was going to come in a strong second, possibly even challenge donald trump for first place in new hampshire, finally kind of consolidate the establishment and become the republican party standard bearer to take on donald trump. that didn't happen, not only did that not happen, donald trump won di20 points ahead of the next closest candidate, john kasich of ohio, who has no real path to the nomination as far as i can tell. the establishment people that i talked to are saying that, you know, this is complete chaos, this is the worst possible space we could see ourselves in coming out of new hampshire. and now we're in south carolina, the campaigns have dekcamped fo
the pal memetto state, which ar has a long history of dirty tricks and whisper campaigns and rumor mongering and i think are's concern that the candidates will spend the whole time down here bludgeoning each other while donald trump continues to skate above the fray answer this for me before we move on. you said that john kasich doesn't have a clear path at all to the nomination, you don't see him as viable, he's not the anti-trump in this? >> i mean, never say never. i mean, the problem that john kasich has is that he based his entire candidacy around new hampshire, talk persian gulf, oh, i could win democrats, i should be running as a democrat, joking about that, in some ways taking very moderate stances on
inu issues. that plays well in the granite state. the other issue is that he doesn't have any money and doesn't have really any political infrastructure. unless he can somehow convince a lot of donors that he is viable, i just don't see him as being kind of the power house that's available to -- >> you have some interesting report. i thought it was interesting on marco rubio, particularly that he has a tendency to panic in a crisis. how has he handled things since his poor debate performance led to a fifth place finish last night? >> i write about this in my book. it dates all the way back to kind of early in his life. you have to remember marco rubio comes from a kind of immigrant parents, working class background. he really had to hustle for everything he's gotten in his career. what his friends and allies and advisers tell me is that while that status anxiety has fueled a lot of his ambition and drive,
it also at key moments of kind of high pressure and high tension in his career can cause him to panic. one example that they bring up was during the 2010, his kind of long-shot bid for the senate in florida. even the most kind of minor gentle attacks from charlie crist, who was opponent at the time would cause him to spiral in self-doubt and concern and his campaign would have to kind of talk him off the ledge. he's obviously very young for somebody who has gotten as far as he is. i've been told he's been actively working on this, trying to keep his kind of anxiety in check. why i think it's relevant is because on the debate stage when he had that kind of mini meltdown, a lot of people who knew him said, you know, that's marco. >> that would explain --
>> when he's faced with a high-stress situation. >> would that explain the water -- >> yes, exactly. the thing is going forward, can he keep that in check and while he's kind of locked in this really intense hand-to-hand combat down here in south carolina as i suspect the next nine or ten days is going to provide, will he be able to show that he can keep his cool, he can stay on message, stay on track. if he's able to do that, i think that's the biggest question mark in terms of where his campaign goes from here. >> i think this campaign is about authenticity, if he just admitted that to the voters, they may accept him and understand him more. thank you, mckay, appreciate it. >> thank you. thanks. >> donald trump's candidacy shaking up the republican party. i want to talk about this with rudy giuliani. in addition to being chairman and ceo of giuliani partners and the former mayor of new york city, he now adds senior manager
to the executive of greenberg trau ig. >> i do a lot of stuff. >> do you do a lot of stuff. many compare to you donald trump. they save you have a lot in common, you're both straight shooters, you're straight talking new yorkers who have been criticized by the establishment for not being, quote, true conservatives. people say you're mavericks. why is he having so much success you think this election cycle? >> i think exactly what you just said. i think the american people are starved for someone to tell what you they think. people tell me we respect him because he's finally cutting through the political correctness. maybe we needed someone to did that. we can't communicate with each
other anymore sflm what do you have mean by that? sensitive you're going to be ly- accused of being feminist or racist or sexist. when he was accused of being sexist, he turned around on hillary and say what do you mean i'm sexist? you protected your husband against all those allegations. you're the one who says if what woman is a victim, she should be believed, except for the women that your husband took advantage of. i mean, who would say that other than a guy like donald who is a straight shooter? >> let's talk about that. he has said some things some people would consider snnasty o controversial about women, language some consider vulgar, some people say he's thin skinned to criticism. people say they have concerns
about his temperament. >> some. comments i didn't great with. i didn't agree with his kbhents senator mccain, he's one of my good friends. i also have to attribute some of that, the first couple months to donald trump to first being a candidate, having ban reality show guy and a salesman. i think maybe the first couple of months he said some things that he would say a little different right now as a much more sophisticated candidate. but still, he's going to tell you maybe in slightly more sensitive language what he really believes. let's get back to the campaign trail whaepsd happening right now. this was a big win last night in new hampshire. >> wow. >> does the establishment finally have to realize that trump is for real? >> yes. here was the big question about
donald, including for me, don, i'll tell you. he registered very, very well in the polls. i've seen people register well in polls and then it doesn't convert itself into votes. so when iowa happened and he -- a couple of iowa polls had him at 28 and he came in at 24, there was a little concern that maybe the polls were being driven by his celebrity status, not his ability to gets votes. what new hampshire establishes is he can overperform. he was over at 30% in the polls. he got 30% of the vote. that's a real following that he has. i think if the republican party doesn't recognize had, they're making a terrible mistake. >> the other candidates don't seem to be able to make a dent. who else do you like besides donald trump? >> i like bush a lot. he's been a friend as long as donald. whatever problems jeb bush has are communication.
they're not knowledge, background, experience, ability to do the job, temperament to do the job. i don't even get it. i've seen him -- i've campaigned with him at least 30 or 40 times. he can be a very dynamic campaigner. but thinking he can be the front-runner here -- i don't count bush out, i don't count rube yo rubio out, even though -- and i don't count kasich out. i think those are your people. i have the most trouble with cruz because he's too far right for me. i'm a moderate republican. that gets a little too far to the right what makes him too far to the right, mr. mayor? >> i think the fact that he sort of -- rubio actually points this
out. he like sets the definition of what it is to be a conservative. if you don't agree with him on everything, you're not a conservative, only he is. and that sort of defies the guy he talks about a lot but never worked for but i did, ronald reagan. ronald reagan used to say my 80% friend is not my to% enemy. and if we can agree -- if we can agree on seven out of eight things, let's get it done and let's forget about the other thing we don't agree on. >> can you give me a quick prediction as we get into super tuesday, what do you think is going to happen? >> well, i think it's going to come down to donald, i think it's going to be cruz, i think it's going to be bush and rubio. >> and that's. -- that's it. >> and kasich is the vice president. >> mayor giuliani. i'm going to ask him why he is upset about the super halftime show.
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video. ♪ ♪ ♪ i say okay, ladies, now let's get in formation ♪ ♪ you know you caused all this conversation ♪ >> can i ask you something that's happening? this is really pop culture relate ltd, it's law enforcement related. you have been speaking out about it this week that, is beyonce's performance at halftime at the super bowl. you've been very critical of her. why is that? >> first of all, you have to understand there's a lot of emotion attached to it. i was at the bedside of 41 police officers in new york city. we saved more african-american lives than all these people in the black lives matter movement combined. by efficient, fair, decent
policing. the new york city police department is a nonwhite majority police department. and if it weren't for the new york city police department, there would be thousands and thousands of dead, young black kids in new york that these people who are creating this terrible situation for the police where they're putting a target on their back don't realize. i don't think they're doing on purpose. ism nope they have other agendas, but to see people dressed up like the black panthers, who assassinated police officers, we want to go back to the black panthers? i mean, i don't know. so that got me disturbed. >> two things -- many artists have taken stances before. i happened to see sting last night. he takes social stances. i've seen other artists take stances on social and political issues. she's not the first person do it. and because someone is critical of a bad part of policing, does
that necessarily make them anti-police? >> at a time in which police officers have a target on their back, when you only emphasize the few infinitesimal small numbers of situations in which police officers kill people as opposed to the enormous number of times when people are killed by other people and in the african-american community, it african-americans killing other african-americans, it's not the time. if you talk to police officers around america, they'll tell you they have a target on their back. i have two police officers in new york city, detective ramos and detective lu. they were assassinated protecting an african-american housing development. one guy happens to be hispanic and the other guy happens to be chinese, by the way. so excuse me if i'm a little
emotional about it. i've seen too many cops die saving the lives of people. at a moment like that with 09 million people washingtonitchin not give the other side of the story, when that is the side of the story that is saving lives, not a bunch of political rhetoric. the reality is the way in which most people are killed in this country are by other people, not by cops. >> mr. mayor -- >> cops save a lot more lives than they cost. >> your point is well taken and i think many people understand that police officers have tough jobs and of course the two officers who were assassinated in new york city, you're saying maybe beyonce should be nmore sensitive to another side it have. do you think you should be more
sensitive to another side? it sounds like you're saying there isn't a problem with police officers and african-americans. >> i am not. you're looking at somebody who put 70 police officers in jail, a lot more than beyonce ever did. i prosecuted police officers, i put them in jail for long periods of time, when they were brutal. when one police officers was involved in an act of brutality, i put him in jail for 25 years. i expect them to act above and beyond. it might not be a bad idea for people who have the celebrity she has, it might not be a bad idea to respect the police, respect the uniform, not to make it appear as though they're the
enemy, to respect the uniform of our police officers, of our military. it's a lot safer way to bring up your child. that part it have aof it and to in the middle of an nfl football game without any suggestion that we should respect the people who save our lives, that offended me in an emotional way because i have been at the bedside of so many police officers who have died, had four ung ls who were police officers and had a cousin shot in the line of duty. >> let me this, mr. mayor. i'm sorry that happened to why are family and you had to witness that. there are many things i'm sure you witnessed as mayor and as a leader and politician that many others tonight get to see. if you had a chance to sit down with beyonce or emembers of the black lives matter movement, how would you work with them to bring it together for more lives -- >> i wish i would have the opportunity to do that.
first of all, i'd have them come take a look at my police department. i still consider it mine. it hasn't been mine for 2 years. i'm the one who initiated the program to bring more minorities into the new york city police department. when i inherited the new york city police department, it was a majority white police department. when i turned it over, it was a non-majority nothing police department. it was pretty equal percentages of while, black, hispanic, asian. i deliberately did that. i'd like them to come and take a look at how the police department really operates. i'd like them to go talk to the people i used to go talk to in the housing developments in new york, african-americans who would ask me for more police officers to protect them the way detectives ramos and lou were protecting that housing development the day they died. >> so what would you say to them? what would do you if you were at the table with them. >> that's what i would do.
how about you spend the night riding with them and see what they go through and when they're trying to do. they're trying to stop one group of guys from killing another group of guys, who happen to usually be the same race. that's what they're doing that's why they're out there. of course you ever get a few that are bad. they probably would have never met someone who put as many bad cops in jail as me. they also don't know anybody who saved more black lives than i did with the policing that i did in new york. how about thousands. when i came into office, there were 1,900 murders in new york, when i left it was down to 500. 70 to 75% of those murders were of black people. >> mr. mayor, i appreciate you coming on and explaining this. you always take the tough questions and answer. >> the former mayor, never one
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york city, rudy giuliani, never one to back down from tough questions and one to always express his opinions honestly. joining me now to talk about beyonce's super bowl performance and when statement it made and talk about that honestly is michael nutter and van jones. mayor, i'm so glad you could hang around and do this. thank you so much. you heard mayor giuliani. you're also a mayor of a stay with its share of violence. is he right police officers have targets on their back and that th this individuvideo and performat help? >> we saw shortly i went out of office, we saw a gentleman go right up to police officer and
shoot police officer hartnett. this is very serious police and policing and public service and first responders, some. most dangerous jobs in the world. first, i didn't know mayor giuliani was now kind of a pop music culture critic. i think there's place in this world for artists and artistry. there are some who have ill feelings, no question. there are some very bad people on the streets of america who target police officers. there's a significant amount of tension in the community about police and community relations. but the overwhelming majority of people do in fact respect police officers, know that their job is tough and when something happens to them, they call 911 and they want professional police officer to show up. so i think sometimes, you know, we need to back up a little bit, not take things so seriously and then appreciate the artistry.
maybe the mayor is not fully appreciates the power of peei s beefionbee beyonce. >> van, he's saying an artist has a responsibility and that beyonce didn't tell both sides of the story. does she have that responsibility as an artist to do that with an audience as big as the super bowl. >> she doesn't have any more responsibility than he has. he sat here and barely addressed are the fact that on this show, on this network, we have seen african-american after african-american young woman, people grieving over these killings. now if he can't find his way as an esteemed mayor of america to tell both sides of the story, i don't know why he's going to
pick on beyonce. beyonce did a beautiful job, she did a brilliant job, she's speaking for a generation. he were's a problem i have with everything he said. he positioned himself as this great champion and savior of a black community and -- >> he said that his police officers have saved more black lives than black lives matter does or will. does he have a point? >> hey, listen, my dad was a cop in the military. my uncle, milton douglas jones just retired from the memphis city police department. it is in fact true that law enforcement saves lives every day. that's not the point. the point is, though, when you have a pattern and a practice now where the one who is do horrible things don't go to jail, he talked about the 70 he put this jail. when he ran for president he
wasn't bragging about putting 70 cops in jail. i think it's unfortunate that one of our most esteemed and respected and revered and legendary political leaders can't find it in his heart to understand why a young artist would want to speak out about this issue. it shocking to me. >> don, my problem with the interview is probably similar in some extent to van, the mayor laid out a case that the end justify the means, whatever was going on in new york city and lives were saved but in the meantime you may have in fact destroyed decades of relati relationship between the police and african-american communities, communities of color, but since lives were saved in the mayor's view it sounds like everything else is secondary to that. and that's just not how things can be. >> that's going to have to be the last word. thank you for sticking around.
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president barack obama in springfield illinois today at the very site where he launched his presidential campaign nine years ago, delivering a speech highlighting his achievement and acknowledging his shortcomings. >> next year i'll still hold the most important title of all and that's the title of citizen. and as an american citizen, i understand that our progress is not inevitable. our progress has never been inevitable, it must be fought for and one by all of us, with the kind of patriotism that our fellow illinoisan, adelaide
steven said said required citizenship and the sense we are one. today that is threatened by a poison political climate that pushes people away from participating in our public life. it turns folks off. it discourages them, makes them cynical. and when that happens, more powerful and extreme voices fill the void. when that happens, progress stalls. >> one thing i've learned is folks don't change. [ laughter ] so, so trying to find common ground doesn't make me less of a democrat or less of a progressive. it means i'm trying to get stuff
done. and the same applies to a republican, who heaven forbid might agree with me on a particular issue. or if i said america's great, decided to stand during the state of the union. it's not a controversial proposition. you're not going to get in trouble. but the fact that that's hard to do is a testament to how difficult how politics has become. because folks are worried, well, i'm going to get yelled at by here, this blogger is going to write back. this talk show host is going to talk about me and suddenly i've got a challenger and calling me a rhino or a, you know, the -- not a real progressive. i've got daughters that are getting older now and one of the most important things about being a parent i think is for
them just seeing what you do not when you're out in public, not when you're dealing with somebody important but just how do you -- how do you treat people generally? and it makes me much more mindful. i want to live up to their expectations. and in the same way i want this democracy to live up to the people's expectations. we can't move forward if all we do is tear each other down. and the political incentives are they are today too often rewards this kind of behavior. that's what gets attention. so it will require some courage just to ability the way our parents taught us to act. it shouldn't, but in this political environment apparently it does. we've got to insist to do better
from each other, for each other. rather than reward those who would disenfranchise any segment of america, we've got to insist that everybody arm themselves with information and facts and that they vote. if 99% of us voted, it wouldn't matter how much the 1% spends on our election. >> joining me is bob beckel, author of "i should be dead." doug, it's amazing to see -- when someone sees hows sausage is made because he's really explaining to the american people this is how the sausage is made. he's letting you in on this secret, which is not really that much archsecret. but i found his speech to be very interesting in that respect today. >> well, it is. barack obama is really preaching the gospel of civility, right after donald trump won new hampshire. there's a contrast of styles
between trump and the president there. i thought it was historical moment for the president, a journey down membory lane. it made me realize, don, that every month now, the last february he's president, the last march, the last april and i think he's deeply disappointed he's not been able to help make the public discourse less poisonous, as he put it. i think he thinks that's the most failed part of his presidency. >> part of that was his mission nine years ago today when he announced he was going to run for president. today he gave that speech. why do you have think that -- do you have think it was -- does it feel like an early farewell speech to you? >> it did. i thought it was almost like a bit like a farewell address. but i think this president is going do a few farewell addresses. i promise you it will be a big speech about why we need to be kinder and continue their immigration policy, they're
going to have a big farewell address about climate change, dangers in the 21st century and of course you're going to have a big political speech by barack obama on philadelphia, which for the democratic national convention. so i think he simply decided to see a number of these kind of reflective speeches before the final farewell address and next january. >> bob beckel, you and i were sitting there watching that. you said, boy, how he's aged. he's also grown a lot more comfortable and confident over the years in front of the crowd and addressing what he thinks is important. >> i agree. i don't think it was a coincidence that he said what he said today and they scheduled this the day after the new hampshire primary. that was a direct shot at donald trump and rightfully so the republicans. the republicans have not given obama a single break from the time he got in office. some of the stuff what he passed, obama can't get a single
vote from republicans. i think what he's say hearing is -- he's playing into presidential politics well and he understands this polarization has got to end or at least move a little bit so that people have a chance to digest what's going on here. >> douglas brinkley, when you look at the anger and the populous, the rejection of the establishment in both parties, is there another time in our history that you can compare to this? >> well, you get these moments when both sides -- in the 19th century, people used to have caning incidents on capitol hill where they would take canes and beat each other and this led to a civil war. usually we'd come together on something like world war ii but the vietnam war divided the country between hawks and doves, muff like you're having in this country now between the 99% or
1. it is an era of acrimony right now yet president obama is trying to be the cool agent. mr. unflappable. i thout he gave a very smart speech on civility today but alas new hampshire is gobbling up all of the news. >> i don't know. would you prefer a caning and the kind of stuff that's happening? >> i'm pining for the days of caning. it's better than the age of the sort of mad blocking and -- >> i've said this many times but these populous movements have been through american politics from the very beginning of american politics. and they come in cycles. going back to william james bryant, taft. go on through it, ross perot, god forbid and now donald trump. >> god forbid. >> and bernie sanders. >> and taking advantage of an
electorate that is angry. >> douglas brinkley, always a pleasure. i'm see you soon. >> bob, stay with me. we'll have a lot more to talk been b on president obama, what he said today and how it could impact the race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. get . if they could ever catch you. need a family plan with unlimited data? other carriers either don't offer it, or it's too expensive! not us! introducing the best data plan ever! get three lines of unlimited 4g lte data for just fifty bucks each, and get a fourth line, free!
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. closed captioning brought to you by: >> more now on president obama's moment visit today where he confronted his failure. back with me bob beckel and bakari sellers joins me now. the president has highlighted he failed to unite washington. does this surprise you? >> no, it doesn't. what we're seeing is a very humble president who recognizes that at seven years into his term, there are still things he wishes he could have gotten. he wanted the language to be less visceral, the rancor to be turned down. each ceasees a bernie sanders campaign that has tapped into an angst. sometimes viv to step back and realize my language in this political discourse is not what it should be.
i'm not sure how we got there. i think it weighs on barack obama's heart. >> you think sometimes you say things you shouldn't say or that you're too inflammatory? >> no, i don't necessarily think it's too inflammatory but we've begun to let our emotions cloud our better judgment. to me to harp back on another earlier segment, we were talking about african-american young men dieing in the street. those type of emotions build up and there's so many going on around us, i think we have to let cooler heads prevail. i think barack obama is a transformational president. this is something in his last few months that he could give a shot at as well. >> bodo you think, bob, the president is trying to make a point to the american voters that the world looks differently when you're sitting in the oval office? >> oh, sure. >> when you know how much the sausage is made urk see it
differently than other people do. >> it's not that obama didn't try with republicans. >> he did try. and people say way too much. >> he hung in there too long, i think. and a while you get no votes from him up say, hey, probably not going to get this. >> the conversations that president obama would say they don't like you. why to you keep trying to work with them? but bob continued. >> big things, big legislation, whether it's a civil rights actor or any piece of legislation has always been bipartisan. and without republican support. but i think he was sending a message out, i think it was very supportive in some ways of hillary clinton, direct shot at donald trump but you look at those sanders and trump people, when hillary clinton came oupin the screen, the sanders people were booing her, accuseding her of being a conservative. one thing she's not is social
media, online bloggers where he talked about fox news on the right and on the left the "huffington post." listen. >> they don't have a common basis for what's true and what's not. i mean, if i listen to some of these conservatives pundits, i wouldn't vote for me either. ism sounded like a scary guy. you've got advocacy groups that benefit from keeping their members agitated as much as possible, assured of the righteousness of their cause. unlimited dark money, money that nobody where it's coming from, who's paying. >> it's amazing.
have you ever listened to republican talk radio sometimes, traveling, especially here in the deep south. some of the things that are said, some of the comments made. you look at the republican front-runner who literally went on a tantrum and imitated a reporter who has a disability and calls someone racist. on our side you have people that we need less of of rancor and more what we did in south carolina which is both sides coming together and having taking the symbol of bigotry and hate to take the conservative flag down. to many of us in north carolina, it was a sigh of freedom. but that all came about because we came together. i think the president recognizes that and hit that tone.
it's going to be drown out by our presidential politics. >> first of all, i think obama's problem with the press started when you interviewed him in 2006. >> this was before he was running sfwlip understand but you set a precedent for him. i think that's rate. up know, these things come together, social security -- it's too bad we have to wait for a tragic event. >> do you think think he's gong dors hillary clinton? and when will that happen, if it does? >> right after super tuesday. he cannot have bernie sanders, he's going to have to step in here at some point and take on trump? >> i think even gain cardio would love a clinton presidency. i think we're already starting
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cnn will be broadcasting tomorrow night's presidential debate between bernie sanders and hillary clinton in wisconsin 9:00. that's it for us tonight. i'll see you back here on friday night. good evening. thanks for joining us. aftershocks from last night's crushing victories for bernie sanders and donald trump who just wrapped up a rally in the next big state for him to try and conquer, south carolina. two republicans gone today. another badly wounded. a long shot on the rise. sanders riding high. clinton regrouping. another high-stakes debate tomorrow. very high stakes week ahead for democrats in nevada and south carolina. donald trump is taking a victory lap. >> look at all these people standing. this place is unbelievable. the place is massive. look at all these people. i love you, too.