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9:00 p.m. in washington. a whole new world on the campaign trail. next stop south carolina and nevada. hillary clinton is the favorite. now scrambling to regroup after new hampshire was lopsided. she even lost the women's vote. republicans are all chasing donald trump. all while two, dropped out. now a race like none we've ever seen before, frankly. it's about to get more interesting. let me start with jim acosta at the trump rally in pendleton, south carolina. jim? >> reporter: that's right. it is a figure of speech in politics. a candidate taking a victory lap on stage.
that's literally what happened behind me tonight. donald trump took a victory lap on this stage savory that landslide win he had in the new hampshire primary. there was a point during the speech he tipped his hat to carly fiorina and chris christie. even though trump has been attacked by his rivals all day long, even marco rubio got into it. he's been taking a kid glove approach with donald trump. donald trump did not really talk about his gop opponents at this event, save a couple of lines for jeb bush. but donald trump always goes after jeb bush. he spent some time sounding like a general election candidate. he was projecting he could win states like new york and michigan in a general election campaign and went after hillary clinton as somebody who could not beat bernie sanders at one point trump called sanders a, quote, wacky socialist guy. so donald was certainly sounding confident tonight. >> and how confident is he in
his ground game? he talked about how after iowa he learned a lot about ground games in iowa and, obviously, it benefited him in new hampshire. how confident are they in south carolina? >> they are very confident in south carolina. you'll recall last friday when donald trump was snowed in in new york and couldn't travel up to new hampshire and everybody was saying this was a massive blunder for trump. he came down to south carolina that day, continuing with the strategy where he leapfrogs ahead to the next state down the calendar and builds up a ground operation, build up excitement through one of these arena rallies like here tonight. this builds up the ground operation. i was talking to the trump campaign manager during this event here. he believes trump has a major advantage over the rest of the field. he says this campaign has staff and volunteers in 20 states right snow. they are doing it by jumping ahead to states like florida in louisiana which is what trump is going to do over the next few days. they feel the table is set very
well for super tuesday less than three weeks away. it's getting close to becoming a narrowed field of candidates. >> jim acosta, thank you. now ted cruz who came in third last night. spent the least campaign money for every vote he got in ham. new hampshire. sunlen serfaty is traveling with the cruz campaign. how have they been spending the last night's third place finish, or spinning it, i should say? >> they have really tried to declare victory even though it was a third place finish for ted cruz because they feel it largely has marginalized and damaged marco rubio. ted cruz very eager today right off the bat to reframe this race now a two-man race between donald trump and ted cruz. and we see the cruz campaign really argue today that they now feel that the only way for the party to beat donald trump is to
coalesce around ted cruz. this was a narrative the cruz campaign for a while has been trying to make. they tried to make it in the days leading up to iowa. but marco rubio's momentum coming out of iowa really cut into that poor messaging. they really feel they have an opening here with these new hampshire results to go forward and push this narrative that this is now a two-man race. >> and what is cruz's organization like on the ground? >> well, for one, ted cruz will really dig in here. he'll spend each and every day between now and the south carolina primary in ten days on the ground here holding multiple events. but he has spent a significant amount of time and they've invested a lot of messaging and money and infrastructure here really putting in the time to build some ground work. they see it similar to their iowa operation. they also feel that this is an electorate in south carolina that's not like new hampshire. it benefits them.
the large evangelical base. they'll try to rally up those troops in the next ten days. spend a lot of time here. really dig in here on the ground. anderson? >> sunlen serfaty, thank you. let's turn to marco rubio and the reversal of fortune he had. seniority rubio says he dropped the ball telling supporters the fault for last night's outcome lies squarely with him. >> i want you to understand something. i want you to understand something. our disappointment today is not on you. it's on me. it's on me. i did not -- i did not do well on saturday night, so listen to this. that will never happen again. >> the question, will south carolina be the place he reboots his campaign? we're joined from spartanburg. political pundits came out saying rubio was essentially hammered in new hampshire. is his campaign acknowledging that? what's the plan for south
carolina? >> absolutely, anderson. they know full well they severely underperformed here and they're trying to tell their supporters that they get it and they'll make changes. two big changes we're sensing according to senator rubio and his staff. one is to sharpen the contrast between him and his main rivals. particularly on the debate stage. if he gets punched, to punch back very aggressively. he should have done that when chris christie went after him. he shouldn't have avoided and went back to his message. should have went after chris christie. something we should look at going forward. and to showcase more of his personality. he's been known for being rehearsed, a scripted candidate. his campaign says that's not fair. he spent 45 minutes with my and other reporters on his campaign plane today talking about every issue under the sun and also spoke with wolf blitzer earlier today, just a short while ago. >> what's your new strategy in the aftermath of new hampshire and the aftermath of last weekend's presidential debate?
>> in terms of the debate? >> in terms of your strategy going forward. >> well, we have a great -- look. we're going to continue with our message. our message is not going to change. it's interesting we're now in an environment -- it used to be if you changed your message too often you were accused of flip flopping. now if you are on message too often you are accused of repeating it. >> you did well in iowa, not so great in new hampshire. how are you going to do? south carolina? >> i have as good a record if not better than everybody else. it's a conservative state with a closed republican primary. i'm the conservative that can win. >> earlier, he did speak with a bunch of reporters, including me on his campaign plane and one of the things that was interesting that he really went after donald trump. something he has avoided doing for so long in his campaign. he said that donald trump does not have the foreign policy experience to become commander in chief. and also he went after jeb bush,
similarly making that foreign policy argument saying as governor he was engrossed in those national security issues that he has been as a senator. and he also said the country is ready to turn the page past the bushes. so watch for that fight between bush and rubio really to intensify as both men try to become at alternative to donald trump. >> manu, thanks. manu raju. john kasich told jamie gangel he'd neither be a pin cushion nor marshmallow if he came under attack from donald trump. he's made a name for himself without too much of this kind of thing. >> it is no surprise that donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or if you like yet another trumpertantrum. >> he's a nasty guy. >> donald trump say jerk. >> it's time to give up, jeb. >> he can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. >> the senate, what is it like a french work week? >> this clown, marco rubio.
>> he's like a kid. shouldn't be running. >> jeb, low energy jeb bush. you fall asleep looking at him. >> you started off all the years. you're moving over further and further. pretty soon you'll be off the end. >> my girls are 5 and 7. and caroline and kathryn are better behaved. >> just a small sampling of tough talk over the last couple of months. so far it's yielding success for donald trump which raises the question, can governor kasich be just as successful by doing the opposite? gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: at john kasich's first campaign stop after his second place showing in new hampshire, there were many people who had a very specific reason for being there. >> well, because he's very positive. and he doesn't bash the other candidates. >> reporter: the ohio governor is attracting many supporters in part because of who he is not. >> he's the total opposite of donald trump. >> reporter: at this town hall, a charleston pizza restaurant, the first question and answer
was about his attitude. >> well, you know, look, sir. i have always been a believer in a positive campaign. >> which is music to the ears of many of those who came for pizza and politics. >> i think the country needs to do a 180 in terms of its overall attitude. and we need to be more positive in order for everything to get rolling again. >> reporter: south carolina is notorious for dirty politics. in 2000, john mccain was victimized by bogus telephone calls made to voters suggesting the arizona senator had fathered an african-american child out of wedlock. two presidential elections later, south carolinians received a christmas card suggesting mitt romney support polygamy. the people here don't want repeated of that. >> i think politics is a mess. everyone is at loggerheads and fighting. i don't like all the negativity. >> reporter: some of the people i've talked with recently have
hopped on the kasich bandwagon and would consider hopping off if he decided to go negative. >> i'm not going to be a pin cushion or marshmallow, but i'm also not going to spend my time trying to trash other people. >> you say you're not a pin cushion or marshmallow. is that fair warning you could go negative as this campaign goes on? >> i'm going to defend myself. that's all. as a pin cushion, i'm not going to get pummeled and just ignore things. but i'm not interested in being out there and just going on the attack against somebody. right now that's not where my mind is. >> reporter: and that's good enough for most of his supporters here. defending yourself, they say, is not abandoning the principles of being positive. >> i'm tired of personalities in the election. i want to get to the facts and move on. >> gary tuchman joins us from charleston. does kasich feel his positive campaign can promote him to victory in south carolina or are they just talking about getting out of south carolina and moving on? >> the answer is no.
he hopes to do well here but doesn't think he'll win here. so that honest answer begs a question, where will -- will he win somewhere else i'm trying to say. you cannot be the republican presidential nomination unless you win a primary or caucus. the most fertile territory for him will be in the midwest. that doesn't come until march 8th, michigan, then missouri, and ohio. a win before then and the writing is likely on the wall. >> gary tuchman, thanks. coming up next, whether it's the high road or low road, the route to victory in south carolina for a number of candidates which jeb bush seems to include his former brother campaigning for him now. and we'll ask one of the state's top gop strategists how they can leave the state a winner. and bernie sanders' plans to maintain momentum coming out of new hampshire. >> thank you, new hampshire.
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donald trump goes into south carolina a winner and a leader in the polls. by the same token that win came in a different looking state, new hampshire and south carolina polling is not up to the minute which makes on the ground expertise important. we're glad for a chance to talk to katon dawson, a former chairman of the south carolina republican party. thanks for being with us. trump obviously comes in to
south carolina with a very big win under his belt. how much does that help him there and how much is it a different ball game? >> south carolina is completely difference. iowa is in the rear view mirror. new hampshire matters come. this is a primary that's going to have 700,000 republicans. about 100,000 new republicans, one of the largest turnouts we'll probably have in the republican party. trump has changed the dynamic of the race. i applaud him for his campaign strategy of these huge crowds and people showing up to see him, he's a reality star, whether he's going to be the next president. the challenge is this is a very different place to run. this is a reliable republican state. two united states republican senators in different camps. six republican congressmen. every statewide elected official is republican. this is a hard place. having done politics all my life here, i've witnessed the good, the bad and ugly and been a part of all three.
you want to see a tough race next week. >> who do you think? who do you think is your party's strongest candidate? obviously you are a former george w. bush supporter. he's going to be campaigning for jeb bush. does bush stand a chance there? >> anderson, i'm excited about george w. bush coming, regardless of the result. we've been looking forward to having a leader in our party and a president for eight years that south carolina loves and respects him. he has tremendous followings here. whether he can transfer that over to the former governor of florida, his brother, is questionable. but if trump does try to take a piece of that action, george w. bush won't take lightly to that debate. it will be exciting to see. i do think the president coming, if he engages, we can reset the race. it's donald trump's to lose. there's a lot of closet donald trump people telling me they're voting for him.
right now, you are going to have a big debate saturday night. and you know what debates mean. you know what they meant to newt gingrich. on sunday after church bells out at noon, you'll watch the gloves come off in south carolina, and it's going to be a hard-hitting race on the issues. the mail boxes will be full. i contend they are probably 50% undecided electorate. rubio has a good position. cruz has a good position. trump is in the gold medal position. but this is a fluid race in south carolina, and very different than a caucus in iowa and certainly the primary in new hampshire. >> stick around because -- stay with us. i want to bring in our panel. joined also by trump supporter jeffrey lord, among others. you hear what katon says about donald trump's game in south carolina. the competition he faces there. obviously a win in new hampshire is a big deal for him. doesn't guarantee anything there.
>> no, no. it certainly doesn't. we've got 50 states that are all unique. south carolina is south carolina. one of my friends in life was the late lee atwater, a unique guy that came out of that south carolina political culture. very hard-hitting. very different than new hampshire. and i imagine everything is up for grabs there. donald trump has a lot of support. so do a lot of people and they'll be at it in earnest. >> you were looking at the map early ea lot of evangelical voters there for ted cruz and even donald trump who has been playing well. >> if the other mainstream candidates start to do better that could help ted cruz. because trump and rubio and kasich competing for your mainstream republicans. it is a fascinating state. katon knows his from living there and kevin knows this from the romney campaigns.
used to be governor carol campbell. a lee atwater guy. delivered the state for george h.w. bush. it is more of an establishment, reliable republican state like katon says. you have nikki haley. mark santon. you could do -- he used to veto the republican legislature's budget saying they spent too much money. it's more tea party, christian conservatives and also more retirees. a much more diverse interesting state. with these five candidates, this is a car crash. >> i also think national security is going to be a big issue. and you can talk about that because, you know, i think all of these candidates are going to be put on the spot about what their plans are specifically on national security. >> and kevin madden earlier was talking about the large military population in the state of south carolina. that is going to be an important voting bloc.
>> it's the largest per capita military retirees is in south carolina. that's the monolithic vote you can count on. it delivered john mccain a win in 2008. pretty important. i think what we're forgetting on our panel is we have a ton of nascar voters here in south carolina. people that go across all groups and they like to watch a car wreck. and you saw the car wreck -- >> we got one. >> last week. so you're getting ready to see another one saturday night. let's see how they survive and watch the nascar voters coalesce next week. >> what did you learn about south carolina? >> i think what chairman dawson makes a good point. i remember in 2012 when mitt romney won new hampshire, we went in to south carolina, probably about a 10 to 12-point lead. in the space of a week we were down 10 to 12 points. the race is very fluid. and a lot of these -- that's why you have a lot of these car wrecks because there's so many
of these cars slapping paint back and forth trying to move each other out of position. i expect we'll see a very vigorous debate down there this week. >> and this national security piece, the military piece is going to be critical. you'll see all of those candidates trying to corner that market or say, i can prove my chops on these issues in south carolina. so you have those different tactics. cruz was going after the evangelical vote trying to get his national security chops up for months. he's been doing that. donald trump, i think they'll try to hit him on -- there's got to be more to this, right? we're with you but there's got to be more to it. and the other candidates fight over the scraps on this military issue and that was smart for george w. bush to come in. >> they shouldn't forget about walmart moms, especially down in south carolina. women voters in that state, they tend to be traditional conservative voters, but we saw in the last election where they
started moving toward newt gingrich after that debate performance. i'd also pay attention to walmart moms. >> yeah, and we'll see rubio down there. he's got tim scott. he's going to be campaigning with him. jeb bush will be down there with lindsey graham. this idea that everybody is in these different camps trying to get as many endorsements as they can. >> jeffrey -- >> anderson? >> just one thing. if donald trump wins this -- wins in south carolina, the pressure is really going to start to build and he'll have some considerable momentum. if he loses, i think that what we're going to see is this primary situation is going to go on for a good long while with donald trump winning one state and another winning another and this will go on through the rest of the winter and spring. >> in terms of these big rallies donald trump has been having, there were questions in other states in iowa in new hampshire where it's more retail politics,
whether that would translate into votes. in a state like south carolina, it's a lot more voters than they faced thus far and that's certainly plays a large rallies help donald trump enormously. >> well, i think they help him here, too. the question is, does he have the apparatus to catch those, much like barack obama did in 2008. is it a good mechanism to do it? one thing kevin will appreciate is when you hit south carolina, this is the talent you are getting ready to hit. people running national campaigns that grew their teeth in south carolina. out of the mccain campaign and romney and a ton of us out of the karl rove camp. you have some really professional operatives here. they understand how to move the vote that know where anderson, south carolina, is. you'll see a much more sophisticated primary here on message, in the mail box and come monday, take the gloves off because here it comes.
>> are you saying it separates the men from the boys in south carolina? >> i'm all for anything named anderson. >> it's going to start -- it's going to start doing the comparison campaigns and south carolina does one thing. south carolina measures how you can take a punch. they understand that the clintons are going to be tough if they are the winners. south carolina rewards you for taking a good solid clean shot. they'll punish you on negative campaigning if you aren't telling the truth. we'll see. >> all right. katon dawson, jeffrey lord. everyone else stick around. we'll turn next to the democrats. big primary win for bernie sanders. stinging loss for hillary clinton. and a new round right around the corner. you have moderate to see rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective.
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she kept a low profile today while her rival hit the ground and air waves hard. here's brianna keilar. >> tonight we serve notice to the political and economic establishment. >> reporter: bernie sanders claiming a big win in the new hampshire primary taking a victory lap on "the view." tasting the ice cream named after him. >> first thyme i've tasted it. >> reporter: and showing off his basketball skills. while also looking to expand his appeal to a broader swath of the democratic party. >> there's a lot of work in front of us, but the message that we're bringing forth is this is supposed to be a nation of fairness. >> reporter: sanders is also firing back at former president bill clinton for recent attacks like this. >> when you are making a revolution, you can't be too careful about the facts. >> reporter: sanders trying to appear above the fray. >> i was disappointed in president clinton.
>> he's playing for his wife. >> let's keep it on the issues, not making personal attacks. >> reporter: sanders' new hampshire victory is proving to be good news for his campaign coffers, hauling in $2.5 million in the 18 hours after the polls closed tuesday night. as the democratic primary fight enters a new phase, sanders faces a new challenge. making inroads with african-american voters. a crucial constituency in states like south carolina which holds its primary later this month. part of sanders' stepped up outreach, a meeting today with reverend al sharpton. one south carolina poll shows sanders trailing clinton by 57 points with black voters. a sign of his uphill climb. but that was taken before sanders' win in new hampshire.
clinton said she's ready for a long fight. >> and here's what we're going to do. now we take this campaign to the entire country. we're going to fight for every vote in every state. we're going to fight for real solutions that make a real difference in people's lives. >> reporter: one day after defeat in the state that gave hillary clinton such a sweet victory back in 2008, she was laying low preparing for the pbs democratic debate that will take place here at the university of wisconsin milwaukee tomorrow. >> we'll be broadcasting that debate live at 9:00. we'll be on the air the hour before. is this repeating itself for the clinton campaign? is there that concern? >> well, bernie is not black. if he becomes black over the next few hours, let me know. i might have some ice cream with him.
bernie sanders has a record, and he can run on his strong record of leadership in the civil rights community. but hillary clinton also has a strong record. we're arguing about the guy who got arrested for public housing with martin luther king and the woman who went down to alabama and mississippi to ensure that blacks had legal aid. so i'm glad that we now have a fight between two candidates with a tremendous strong civil rights record. and it's going to be a great conversation that i think we'll have tomorrow night. >> some clinton supporters came out on a conference call saying bernie sanders is new to the table on this. is that really fair? >> no, it's not. because bernie has voted the right way. the difference, of course, is when you look at some of the individuals supporting hillary clinton, they've been in the trenches, marching. she has deep ties in the black community. tomorrow the congressional black caucus will lend their support to hillary clinton. bernie sanders has been a member of congress.
he's been a member of the house and senate. cory booker with hillary clinton. tomorrow you'll hear from jim clyburn, from others who have been with secretary clinton. i have to say one last thing. i've been in the trenches with the clintons as well and in the battle with bernie and others on the civil rights front. the clintons have been very much involved in the battle for civil rights. and i have to tell you a funny story. back in the 2000s, it was hillary clinton who told organizers and activists like me, there's a guy names barack obama. go and meet him and help raise money. that's hillary clinton. that's why -- >> she'll regret that. >> dial up this kind of support that you see because she's been out there. now some people don't appreciate some of the votes. you can cherry pick votes they don't like, but the clintons, as someone who knows them, i know bernie sanders, they've been engaged in -- and she got bruises to show for it. >> are you saying clyburn is going to endorse?
>> no, he's a member of the congressional black caucus. they are making an endorsement tomorrow. i haven't endorsed tonight. >> you see the emotion. the clintons -- bernie sanders doesn't have the relationships with the community. it's a fact of his life and background. he's trying hard to make those relationships. if bernie sanders does not break through with a decent number he's not going to beat her among african-americans or latino. he has to start by getting his share. the clintons have a deeper history and deeper friendship and endorsements matters when you have eight or ten states at a time and need surrogates out there and lending you their organizations because you don't have time to build them. even though they have deeper relationships, there's also some grievances. there's some bruises out there.
>> that's going to be one of the interesting things to watch, one of the things we've seen out of new hampshire in some ways in iowa is that there's this generational divide. it will be interesting if that's something -- >> jones mentioned that yesterday saying there's a lot of young african-americans who don't have the experience of -- >> if they are black millennials who have been reading the new jim crow and following and have criticisms about the clintons' record in terms of criminal justice. they'll be more in tune with where bernie sanders is. in 2008, it was obviously 80/20 in terms of where the black vote went. 80% for obama. 20% divided between the others there. so it isn't typical that you see that generational divide. maybe that's something -- >> i can't wait to go to church in south carolina while the republicans are out fighting. i'm sure there will be pamphlets put out with hillary right next to barack obama when he took down ben lott. this is politics.
>> her big problem is we saw in new hampshire was the question of cares about people like me. and she lost to bernie sanders on that 5-1. because he talks about income inequality. he talks about working people. he, you know, he doesn't -- the goldman sachs speeches for $500,000 hurts her. that's a weakness for her. >> a lot more to talk about including the next debate tomorrow night. the democrats in milwaukee. we'll be simulcasting it with pbs. gets under way at 9:00 tomorrow. followed by a late edition of this program for full analysis. join us at 8:00 and stick with us. up next, john king runs the numbers on what we just talked about. can hillary clinton hold on to her support from african-american voters? clearly not a foregone conclusion. it could make all the difference. we live in a pick and choose world.
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up 55% of the democratic primary electorate. john king is back with a breakdown by the numbers. south carolina a pivotal moment for barack obama and then senator clinton when she was running. how does it look for her this time? >> it could be a huge day as she tries to get the momentum back. this map is the national african-american population. the deeper the color, the bigger percentage. new hampshire, hardly any. mostly white state. now out to nevada first, latinos and some african-americans. then south carolina. tells you everything you need to know. significant african-american population. in the 2008 democratic primary, 55%, a majority of the votes of the democrats are likely to be african-american. in 2008, president obama won nearly 8 in 10 of those. it was game over. an african-american candidate winning a huge slice. hillary clinton ran second to john edward and obama third there.
now hillary clinton versus bernie sanders. can bernie sanders make inroads in time? that vote coming up in the next two weeks. can he make inroads to narrow her lead. this is what headquarter hopes for. in 1992 when bill clinton was running, came in second place. came down to south carolina looking to get on track and he did because it was then 43% of the vote in the democratic primary. so the clintons have a history with the african-american community in south carolina. it's not all good. 1992 was a plus. in 2008 tensions. hillary clinton believes that's her greatest advantage now. and the question is can senator sanders who has not had to do this as a senator from vermont, can he build those relationships as quickly as he needs to cut into what is definitely a clinton advantage in south carolina. >> john king, thanks. a short time ago i spoke with tom rutherford, a hillary clinton supporter. representative rutherford, how
tough do you think hillary clinton's path forward is with the loss last night? >> i don't think it suffered at all. i've been watching races in iowa and new hampshire how it unfolded. we know what she's going to be able to do here. her support amongst african-american voters is strong. she's been in south carolina for 40 years working on things from children separating teenage prisoners from adult prisoners, 40 years ago from now until she comes back and a host of people remember the clintons and what they've done in south carolina and african-americans overall. she'll have a relatively easy path the way i see it up until our election february 27th. >> what do you believe hillary clinton has done for african-americans? there's a very critical article in "the nation" from an author who essentially is saying both her husband and her really haven't done as much as many believe.
>> you know, that's article, and i didn't see the article, but the writer of that article could slander anyone that he chose and say they haven't done what they say they have. unfortunately, in south carolina, african-americans, myself included, remember the clintons, remember the fact that hillary clinton came here, like i said, 40 years ago and advocated back then, back when it was not popular to talk about prisoner rights, talk about african-americans in jail and doing things for teenagers. so again, looking back at the history that the clintons have had not just in this country but in this state. in particular hillary clinton, get appointed by barack obama to secretary of state position and what most of us feel she did in that position. and watch the republicans attack and attack and attack and try and tear her down. and we're not swayed by articles that say she didn't do for us what african-americans know that they have done. >> unlike bernie sanders, hillary isn't new to issues facing african-americans.
is that fair to senator sanders? he led protests against segregated housing in the university of chicago back as a young man in -- i think when he was 20. he was arrested for that. a civil rights activist. given he's from a state that has an overwhelmingly white population. do you think he's new to issues facing african-americans? >> it's fair to say because in south carolina, we believe that someone that's going to run for president as a democrat should have run as a democrat before now. he's run as an independent. he's new to the game of catering to african-americans and caring about our interests. because you get arrested, i believe he was quoted as saying he marched on washington. a number of others have. republicans sometimes stand in the room or be present at a march but that doesn't mean they believe in what we believe in. what we're talking about are the history that the clintons have in this state. the history they have with individuals on a one on one basis of doing what it takes to care about african-americans and their interests. i applaud bernie sanders for what he may have done in the
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have now peeled off that line to go fight the regime advance. and this is causing us real problems for the counter-isil campaign. and frankly, we tell the russians this very clearly. you say you're fighting isil but what you're doing is actually having a detrimental effect to the fight against isil. >> what it's doing is taking fighters that the u.s. was backing, moderate rebels on the ground there that were contesting isis, taking them away from the fight. they're now fighting against the assad regime. it's a real damage to the u.s. strategy there. >> and this is coming just a day after the director of national intelligence clapper said that there are more terrorist havens in the world now than at any time in history. >> that's right. i've rarely seen director clapper more blunt or more sobering. he says basically two things are happening. one, they're expanding their global footprint. isis, it's in fete countries and counting now. failed states like yemen. syria certainly. libya as well. the sinai, part of egypt. but they're also expanding their global strategy. a new focus on attacking the west, not just inspiring attacks there but directing attacks
there. and warnings from director clapper about attacks on u.s. soil this year, anderson. >> jim, thanks very much. appreciate it. as we talked about previously, south carolina's home to a lot of troops and veterans. it's not a stretch to say that when voting they do not grade on a curve on the next commander in chief. back now with our panel. it's interesting, chairman rogers, when you look at last night's exit polling, 9 out of 10 americans are worried about another terrorist attack, although there really is a big party breakdown among republicans this rates much higher in terms of causes for concern or voting issues, for democrats much lower. >> yeah. and the republicans in all of the states, all of the early states, including new hampshire, it was third, which is pretty high for new hampshire. iowa it was number 2. south carolina it goes back and forth between the number 1 and number 2 issues for these -- for the voters in south carolina. if they're right and some event happens, and i even hate to say this, if an event happens, it will change the makeup of going forward for wherever that event
is. it will impact this election in a way that we probably haven't seen before. and to have the dni, the director of national intelligence, be as forceful about the fact that they are planning an attack in the united states, that's astounding. and then backed up by that, the defense intelligence agency head, a guy named stewart, general stewart, a marine general, also came out and doubled down on that. that tells me that there is more to that story, there is something bigger they know through probably san bernardino and that investigation and other investigations, something's brewing and they don't like it. >> this plays on the republican side and the democratic side. certainly for bernie sanders foreign policy is often viewed as one of his weak points, though his supporters say he had the judgment on his vote against the war in iraq. >> the safest bet is that this is a big issue tomorrow night when the democrats debate and this is a big issue saturday when the republicans debate because it is a potentially breaking issue, a splitting issue in both fields p. no question secretary clinton thought in the last debate bernie sanders couldn't answer
an afghanistan question, didn't give a good answer. she thinks that's her wheelhouse and she wants to use it against him. and in the republican debate in a state with such a rich military history no question, trum's going to say i'm right, i'm right, there are isis guys hiding with the refugees, ban muslims. he's going to say he's right. >> bomb the oil fields? >> the other guys will say he's not serious and off we go. >> we've got to take a break right there. we'll be right back. more ahead. ay. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here. ♪ and i'm still struggling with my diabetes.
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well, that does it for us. thanks for watching, and we'll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 and then right after the democratic debate in milwaukee with the best conversation in politics. time now for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. so much winning. >> the place is massive. look at all these people. he spent -- i love you too. look at this. these people. [ cheers and applause ] >> donald trump fresh from his overwhelming victory in new hampshire getting a rousing welcome tonight in south carolina. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the day after. and the republican contest is a lot leaner. chris christie and carly fiorina dropping out of the race. on the democratic side bernie sanders basking in his bigin