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well, that does it for us. thanks for watching, and we'll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 and then right after the democratic debate in milwaukee with the best conversation in politics. time now for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. so much winning. >> the place is massive. look at all these people. he spent -- i love you too. look at this. these people. [ cheers and applause ] >> donald trump fresh from his overwhelming victory in new hampshire getting a rousing welcome tonight in south carolina. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the day after. and the republican contest is a lot leaner. chris christie and carly fiorina dropping out of the race. on the democratic side bernie sanders basking in his big win over hillary clinton, raising
millions of dollars today. but can he win african-americans by reaching out to civil rights leaders like al sharpton? we'll see why some notable members of the black community are switching their votes. what's next in this incredible race after a 22-point loss to bernie sanders last night, hillary clinton hopes for a better showing in nevada on saturday february 20th. and then they face off in south carolina the following week. on the republican side the gop primary in south carolina is next weekend on the 20th, and then they go to nevada. it's tuesday february 23rd. and both sides look ahead to the big kahuna, that's super tuesday, march 1st, when 16 primaries and caucuses are held. in the gop race the big focus is now on south carolina. joining me now, hugh hewitt, host "the hugh hewitt show." happy monday, sir. let's play your last prediction monday night before the new hampshire primary.
>> so your prediction, you said, is donald trum s&p. >> trump, kasich, rubio. >> all right. you were pretty close. what do you say about south carolina? >> well, you know, you can actually say i called iowa completely right. on this one rubio got the same number of delegates as cruz and bush. so he actually tied for third in delegates. but i was off. he was hurt more badly than i thought. >> but you picked kasich, which i thought was very smart. >> yeah. the independents broke for him. about rubio i'll say this. there's an old ballad, an old english song, don, called "the ballad of sir andrew barton" in which it is said that the wounded scots admiral says i am wounded, i am not slain, i shall lay me down and bleed a while and rise to fight again. i think that was rubio with wolf earlier today. i think ted cruz has got momentum. jeb is fighting on. i looked, though, at donald tru trump's crowd in south carolina tonight and i say to myself, this is far beyond anything i think he imagined when he began. >> i think we're going to
probably play it. what do you say for south carolina before we go on to continue to talk about this? >> it depends on this debate saturday night completely. i was asked tonight on my radio show to make a prediction because i've been pretty close to 100%, and it really depends on saturday night because the compression of this calendar and the focus on these debates, it was announced wolf is going to moderate the cnn debate in which i'm participating on february 25th. and that one might be down to three or four but this one was six with dr. carson and the other kands is going to allow the candidates a lot more time to talk. so it will shift the race on its axis again. >> okay. so -- >> no predictions till next week. >> let's talk about this. as i've been saying, if you tell me you're going to run for president i'm going to take you seriously. a lot of people didn't take him seriously, donald trump i'm talking about, and we did. so let's dig into this new hampshire, these results. trump wins. his win was convincing. he won across ages, new voters, republicans, democrats. who of the runners-up do you think can beat him at this point? can trump be stopped?
>> oh, yes. 35%. i don't know if it's a ceiling or a floor. at this point all of the -- i don't see dr. carson with a path. i see him with a program and i see him with a role to play but i don't see him with a path to the nomination. i do see the black swan of american politics coming right at us, the open convention, and anything can happen in something that has been unprecedented and hasn't happened in my lifetime. so we don't really know who could come out of that with the nomination. but given what you just said, the big kahuna, super tuesday, it's proportional representation. the delegate count, if i can consult, trump has 17, cruz has 11, rubio 10, kasich 5, jeb 4, and ben carson 3. it takes 1,237 to win.
so we have such a long way to go. any of these gentlemen can win. and they all have terrific advantages and disadvantages. in south carolina you've got terry sullivan is marco rubio's campaign manager. he knows the state back of his hand. worked for jim demint down there. jeb bush has bush family memory. both bush 41 and bush 43. faced crisis moments in their campaigns. in 1988 george herbert walker bush was 30 points behind michael dukakis. in 2000 w had to go from a blistering loss in new hampshire to go beat mccain in the pro military state of south carolina. 41 had lee atwater. 43 had rove. mike murphy is walled off from jeb. i don't know about that. ted cruz, this is really interesting. he's the constitutional expert and today the supreme court put a stay -- or yesterday late last night the supreme court put a stay on president obama's global climate change throwdown from
the epa. they also a week earlier raised the issue of the president not taking care of the laws that he's charged with enforcing. so ted cruz's constitutional chops come into play. everyone's got a strength. then there's john kasich -- >> i've got to ask you this before we get too far afield here. you keep talking about a brokered convention that's going to go all the way -- why do you say that? if donald trump has enough delegates or whoever it is enough delegates, why would the convention say brokered? >> i never say brokered. i say open. there are in brokers. unlike the democratic party which found a way to give hillary five delegates out of her blowout there are no bosses in the republican party. i just do math. it takes 1,237 delegates to be nominated. i don't see how anyone with the rule set before anyone knew who was running, reince priebus and the republican national committee adopted a rule set that leads to a four or five-way race which leads to no one
getting close to 1,237 delegates. so it's not brokered. it's just going to be math. and everyone with chips on the table, a committed delegate is going to be invited in the game. >> ted cruz, well organized in iowa and he says he has the organization in south carolina to win especially with evangelicals there. do you think he can win there? >> i do. i think any of these people can win -- literally. any of those five. i don't think dr. carson with can win. he can have a good showing but i don't think he can win. any of the other five can win at this point. and with the evangelicals ted cruz has enormous strength. but i'll point out i posted on my website today an interview i did with john kasich from 2010 when he put out his book "every other monday" about his 20 years in a small group of men of the christian faith, evangelicals who'd been meeting his faith and his touch with evangelicals is deep and authentic as any of them. so i wouldn't say all the evangelicals are going to go with ted cruz though he has a
huge head start because of heardship nodding toward him. i find this to be the most interesting ten days in republican political history that i can remember. maybe after ford and at the north carolina primary in '76. but that's ancient history. this has really been intense stuff. >> it's been amazing to watch and will be amazing to watch. thank you, hugh. i'll
see you soon. >> always a pleasure, don. >> heading into the south carolina, donald trump and ted cruz are attacking each other in new political ads. look at this. >> ted cruz, the worst kind of washington insider who just can't be trusted. >> that's a lousy house. i'm going to take your house with eminent domain and park my limos there. >> eminent domain! >> wow. joining me is matt moore, the chairman of the south carolina republican party. that is a harsh ad. south carolina politics not for the faint of heart. attack ads on the air. there have been some dirty tricks in past campaigns. what do you expect over the next ten days? >> south carolina is a fascinating place, a long history of creative campaign tactics, don, to say the least. i expect a sprint to the finish here in south carolina.
as hugh was just saying, a lot of candidates have a real shot
here in south carolina. it they get a bit of luck and they perform well in the debate here on saturday night. >> so outsiders, matt, have shaken up the party to the core. it's shaking up the left as well. the electorate is angry at the establishment. are you hearing the same thing in south carolina? >> there's a lot of frustration all around. i hear it across the state. people are frustrated with what seems to be a prone political class in washington, a political class that listens more to lobbyists and donors. than it does to regular people across the country. much of that anger is warranted. seems like nothing's happened in the past seven years. many people here in south carolina feel left behind on both sides. i think our party has the right solutions to win in november to get us to a better future. but between now and then it's going to be a tough fight, to say the least. >> okay. let's talk -- you said the issues, people with the political class. so let's talk about some of the
candidates. okay? the knock against ted cruz is that he's got a likability problem, do people like him there? >> yeah, they certainly do. he has a great organization here in south carolina. now, the one caveat to hugh's point about evangelicals is all evangelicals are not the same. there's quite a division as you go from the upstate here in south carolina across the mid-lands to the low country in the style and tone that certain kinds of evangelicals like. i think we'll see that play out in the next telephone days or so. >> now to the bushes. they have strong ties in your state particularly with the military. president bush is going to campaign with him. he's recorded a radio ad. is the former president popular enough there to be a major asset to his brother? >> that's the big question. south carolina has a very high percentage of military-affiliated voters, either active duty, retired or family members who serve in the military. i think that's the big question. can president george w. bush help jeb to convert some of the undecideds into his favor or
maybe flip votes? so we'll see. >> okay. let's talk about john kasich now. he was second in new hampshire. he's downplaying expectations. but will his momentum help him make a decent showing? >> yeah, john kasich is very wisely downplaying expectations. he has a good organization here. despite what some in the national media have said. his campaign is camped out in the low country, an area where voters may be more amenable to his message. so certainly he's got a chance to compete here just like everyone else does. >> marco rubio's support has fallen since that disastrous debate performance. in many people's estimations he's a son of the south. can he regain the support that he lost? >> well, senator rubio appeals to a wide array of voters in the party. a large cross-spectrum of the republican party. i think certainly with a good debate performance on saturday night he can get back in the conversation here in south carolina and beyond. >> do you expect donald trump to take the top spot there as he did in new hampshire? and how many tickets are -- you
know, are there out there in south carolina? >> i can tell you this. certainly we have a lot of tickets here at the state party. those are going to our volunteers and county party activists. we don't give out tickets to billionaires. there aren't that many in south carolina. we'll have a big debate here on saturday night. but to trump in general, yeah, he's certainly -- if you believe polling, which polling's been pretty accurate in the primary states of new hampshire, he is probably the favorite here in south carolina. it's his race to lose. as we saw last saturday night, these debates can change everything. >> matt moore, chairman of the south carolina gop. appreciate it, sir. good luck to you. >> thanks, don. >> cnn will be simulcasting tomorrow night's pbs news-hour democratic presidential debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders in milwaukee, wisconsin, 9:00 eastern. make sure you tune in. still ahead, though, fresh off his big win, can anyone stop trum s&p and bernie sanders goes to harlem, meeting with civil rights activist al sharpton in a bid to get the support of african-americans.
but hillary clinton picks up a big endorsement from the black community. and later, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani talks to me about his old friend donald trump and taking on beyonce for a super bowl performance he's called anti-police. >> under me and under my police department we saved more african-american lives than all these people in the black lives matter movement combined.
marco rubio did get a bounce from the iowa caucuses but after a poor debate performance and a fifth place finish in new hampshire rubio will be looking to pull off a major rebound in south carolina. can he do it? well, let's talk about this gop race with republican strategist kaley mcinenny. kaley ann, of keep the promise. a super pac supporting ted cruz. and matt lewis, author of "too dumb to fail." thank you all for joining us. we see that kelly ann was good today. she got her ashes. >> thank you. >> not everybody here did. okay. so listen, matt, i saw a column you wrote this morning you said
ted cruz may be the real winner in new hampshire and "we are getting dangerously close to a trump versus cruz race." explain how you came to that conclusion. >> obviously donald trump's a big winner in new hampshire. he won a huge race. but that's obvious. i think ted cruz is the not so obvious winner, and that's because marco rubio imploded. rubio was going to be ted cruz's rival. they were going to be competing. if marco rubio comes out of iowa, has a good debate, he probably finishes second in new hampshire. it's a three-man race. i think now what happened is we've swapped rubio for kasich. i don't think kasich -- i think he's a one-hit wonder. i think he performs very well in new hampshire. i don't think he travels as well. so at the end of the day this really bodes very well for ted cruz, so who i think -- people are going to say look, if you want to stop donald trump, maybe ted cruz becomes the guy that mainstream conservatives have to rally around.
>> let's look at this. a trump ad
attacking cruz. look at this. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> what kind of man talks from both sides of his mouth for amnesty for illegals on national television and still denies it? he took more than a million dollars in sweetheart loans from wall street banks and fails to dischose them as required by law. who runs a campaign accused of dirty tricks that tried to sabotage ben carson with false rumors? ted cruz. the worst kind of washington insider who just can't be trusted. >> kelly ann, just the beginning? >> oh, yes, definitely. spleesh because you get to south carolina he'll say south carolina made me do it. dirty tricks. i still say where's the contrast in substance? where are the philosophical differences? if mr. trump would say i think ted cruz's tax plan say
disaster, that would be more credible than he's a nasty guy, he's mean. i don't know how many conservative voters will say ted cruz washington insider when the constant washington insiders bob dole and trent lott and others are saying we don't like ted cruz, we can't stand him, we won't vote for him. you can't have it both ways. i think the difference between trump and cruz is this. they both have set it up this year to put the establishment flat on its back. the twoun tag team of trump and cruz. however, one is talking about taking on the washington accomplishme establishment and one's gone there and done it. >> but why change your tactics if you're winning? why would donald trump change and give specifics about things or change his campaigning when he's winning? >> he won't. >> kellyanne, i've got to disagree with you because this collection it's not about who's more conservative, which is what we typically see in a primary. this election is about who is more of an outsider. and for donald trump that means going after ted cruz and saying ted cruz took wall street money. i agree with you ted cruz is a great candidate, we'd be lucky to have him, he's the second best to trump. but trump is a true outsider.
>> you say second best to trump. >> trump is an outsider. he's someone who americans love because he's not beholden to washington. he's so far outside of the mainstream that people say he could never win but look what he did last night. >> but how could your first job in washington be commander in chief as president of the united states? even people in wit mitt romney were here's a smart guy, ran businesses, was governor of massachusetts but no washington experience at all. that cuts both ways. >> but that's different. they're so different because when people think about mitt romney they wonder if -- they would say the joke was did he get his battery replaced or his chip renewed or what have you. >> that's marco rubio now. >> because he did not have the personality that donald trump has. >> commander in chief is about executive capacity. we're dealing with ice hooirs. we're dealing way group that is beheading people on a beach. what matters is not do you know a certain commander's name, which i would argue donald trump knows those things. it's about who has the strength to stand up and say enough is enough, we are america and -- >> i want to talk about some other folks who are in the race
and other folks who are not in the race. this is for you, matt. were you guys surprised? i was actually surprised that chris christie dropped out. and a little bit by carly fiorina because the race has narrowed. where do you think their votes are going to go? first were you surprised and where do you think their votes are going to go? >> i wasn't surprised by chris christie. i said it here on cnn saturday night after the debate. it was a murder-suicide. chris christie managed to take down marco rubio but he did not do himself any favors. so i think chris christie had really no path to the nomination. he might as well get out. i think he did the right thing. carly fiorina, same thing. really not relevant anymore. glad -- good thing that she got out. but look, she did herself a lot of good. i think that carly fiorina now is going to be talked about as a possible running mate, if not that certainly to have a cabinet position. so i think it was good that she ran. i think she helped advance the debate. but the field has to winnow, and i think we're seeing that today. >> we have just a short time
left. you guys can tell me yes or no. do you think jeb bush is staging a comeback story that americans can get around? yes, no? >> maybe in the establishment but nowhere else. >> kellyanne. >> he should stay in south carolina. bush-friendly territory, military households. but they're deluding themselves to think he can get past common core, amany nesty and all the conservative apostasy that's will not be forgiven. >> matt? >> it's nice to see him. he's loosening up. he's been liberated. it's good to see him end this thing i think on a high note, but it ain't happening for him 24 year. >> i have a little bit more time. do you think kasich can have a repeat in south carolina or does he have enough money to make it to the states that will be more favorable to him, do you think? >> i think john kasich, he was tailor-made for new hampshire. he's curmudgeonly, contrarian. the independents, unaffiliated voted for him. completely different in south carolina. kasich's the kind of republican that liberals think republicans want to nominate. i don't think he fits
anywhere -- >> everybody agrees. wow. >> kasich spent $12 million and did 106 town halls in new hampshire. he can't do that between now and south carolina and do that in every state. in fact, they admitted today, the kasich campaign, that his next big play is in michigan, which is not even anytime soon. >> you say that rubio needs a different strategy moving forward. what needs to change? >> i think what will happen with rubio is he was fixing to go into south carolina as the establishment alternative to cruz and trump and make it a three-man race. he now has to go after evangelicals because kasich and bush are crowding that establishment lane and mr. trump of course is in the -- he's in a lane all by himself called the trump lane but he's a little bit conservative and i think he also has said i can make deals, i can work with the establishment. so rubio has to figure out which one he's more comfortable in. look, rubio's problem goes beyond the debate last saturday night -- >> not showing up for the senate. >> not showing up for the very key vote to fund the military, to defund planned parenthood. rubio was at a fund-raiser in all places in new hampshire we are came in fifth.
his biggest problem is the amnesty vote. part of the gang of eight standing there with chuck schumer and harry reid, which will come up in nevada and now marco rubio has doubled down on, it don. he's said i'm for in-state tuition benefits for illegal immigrants while south carolinians are struggling to pay for college for their own children. they don't like things like that. >> thank you, kellyanne, thank you, kayleigh. thank you, matt. hillary clinton and bernie sand are vying for the african-american vote and the right endorsement could be key. more on that, next. need a family plan with unlimited data? other carriers either don't offer it, or it's too expensive! not us! introducing the best data plan ever! get three lines of unlimited 4g lte data for just fifty bucks each, and get a fourth line, free! yup!-we'll give you a fourth line at no extra cost. so tell those other guys you're done worrying about data. get three lines of unlimited data for fifty bucks each, and a fourth line on us. only at t-mobile.
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different generation, members in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, don, have collectively concluded that hillary clinton is the right person for the job, she can both get elected and she's ready, willing and able on day one to step into 1600 enpennsylvania avenue and yijt the dramatic change we need in this country building upon the significant accomplishments of president barack obama. >> i noticed you didn't mention the 20-somethings which is a lot of the millennials because they didn't come to consensus maybe of the congressional black caucus but that's where bernie sanders has -- >> he should be commended for bringing additional people into the process but i would ask this. senator sanders talked about a political revolution. who is best prepared actually to bring about the type of revolutionary change that we need in this country? i think when you look at hillary clinton's track record going back to her early days as a young lawyer with the children's defense fund fighting the prison
industrial complex dealing with the fact teenagers are being held in prisons with adult inmates, all the way through her time in arkansas as the first lady there when she founded the clinic benefiting low income individuals including many northwest african-american community when she was first lady in washington, d.c. in the 1990s she was instrumental in the enact of the of the children's health insurance program which was sort of a bridge between medicare and the affordable care act that was passed in 2010. and then of course as a senator from the great state of new york where i hail from she helped champion a wide variety of issues, co-sponsored legislation to end racial profiling and criminal justice. she's been a consistent voice from day one and that's why i've got the confidence that she's the right person for the job. >> okay. you say that. and i'm sure you've read this article in the nation today by michelle alexander who say people wonder if she should be judged on what her husband did. but what you're saying what she did as first lady. in thairkt'll and i'm paraphrasing it says basically as first lady she stood behind policies from her husband that
were detrimental to african-americans, that didn't help african-americans, that were the worst when it comes to mass incarceration, when it came to unemployment, when it came to finding jobs for african-americans. and some people look at this as a scathing blow. especially people who are hillary clinton's supporters. >> well, i've got tremendous respect for michelle alexander. she's an important scholarly voice in the debate about what's going on in black america today, but let's assess the situation. she's being criticized, hillary clinton, for the 1994 crime bill that was a policy put into place in part by her husband. there were democrats and wloenz actually got it wrong in the 1990s. i wasn't a member of congress at the time. i was just getting out of college. but bernie sanders actually was a member of the house of representatives at the time who voted for the 1994 crime bill. we hear a lot of talk about political revolution. i don't understand. where was his revolutionary instincts at that particular point in time? so as nar as i'm concerned, don, you can take the 1994 crime bill
and it's a wash. it was a mistake. but it was a mistake that bernie sanders actually voted for as a member of the house of representatives. if you actually look at the condition of african-americans economically during the 1990s you had amongst the lowest rate of poverty in the black community in modern history in large part because of the booming economy. >> but you also had more african-americans going to jail, more people of color affected by unfair drug policies when it comes to crack cocaine versus powdered cocaine, all of that was under president bill clinton's policies. >> you had the failed war on drugs which began in earnest really in 1971 when richard nixon declared drug abuse public enemy number one. at the time 350,000 americans incarcerated. today we've got 2.3 million. and it is true, that 1994 crime bill authorized about $13.5 billion in prison construction, and guess what, if you look back at senator sanders' comments on that particular provision he
supported the $3.5 billion in prison construction money that resulted in an explosion of the prison population from 800,000 to the 2.3 million we have. no clean hands there. >> you're saying all of this hype about bernie sanders being an outsider or maverick or revolutionary is all made up at least or smoke and mirrors. and you also say that bernie sanders -- i'll let you respond. you say bernie sanders may be missing in action in the senate and there is no credibility to the things he is saying at the twilight of his political career. why do you feel so strongly about that? >> i think the question really is senator sanders, who i have great respect for, but in the context of choosing between hillary clinton and the senator from vermont we've got to ask this question and we should hold him to his own standards. he's talked about a political revolution. but senator sanders has spent a significant amount of time in public service. he was a mayor for eight years. a member of the house of
representatives for 16 years. he's in his tenth year in the united states senate. by my account that's 34 years in public service. and i can't find a scintilla of evidence of revolutionary change that he actually is responsible for implementing during that period of time. so i think we all have to ask our questions. the rhetoric is great. and many of the things he's talked about i think are important but at the end of the day can he translate that rhetoric into reality and based on 34 years of public service i see no evidence that can happen. >> representative hakim jefferies from the congressional black caucus. thank you for joining us on "cnn tonight." >> thank you, don. coming up, can bernie sanders break down hillary clinton's famous firewall with african-american voters? more on that next. we'll have a representative from bernie sanders' campaign next. about businesses es being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information
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one of bernie sanders' first stops after winning the new hampshire primary, no, not disneyland. it was harlem for a meeting with civil rights activist al sharpton at the world famous sylvia's restaurant. why harlem and why now let's talk about that. simone sanders, bernie sanders' national press secretary.
so first of all, congratulations. your campaign had a great night the other night. how are you feeling about that? >> thank you, don. we feel great. we didn't take anything for granted in new hampshire. we had a really great ground game. shout out to our entire crew in new hampshire -- >> are you shouting out on my program? >> shout out to our campaign because we really invested in our ground game. folks tried to say we won because of proximity, but we won because our message resonated. and we are happy about the win and now we are looking forward to nevada, south carolina, march 1 and beyond. >> since you're shouting out i'm going to say that bernie sanders was in my hood today because i live in harlem. he was there with al sharpton. they have lunch. how did this meeting come about? >> you know, ben jealous, who recently endorsed us, you know, spoke with reverend sharpton. and the meeting just came together. he noted that perhaps the two of them should meet. reverend sharpton agreed. and there was a really great conversation that was had today. >> what'd they talk about? >> it was a private meeting,
don. so i'm not going to go into the nitty-gritty details -- >> a private meeting that we have the video of on television. but go ahead. >> what happened in the meeting today is reverend sharpton spoke to senator sanders about issues affecting the african-american community. they talked about flifrnt. they talked about economic inequality. and reverend sharpton challenged the senator. he asked him about his ability to really connect with african-american voters, to really carry the mantle of our issues. and the senator had great answers to those questions. it was a very robust conversation. and we look forward to additional conversations with others in the civil rights leadership because senator sanders is actively working to earn the support of african-american voters in this country. >> i'm going it talk to you more about, that about african-american support. but let's be honest. i know al sharpton, right? he is seen as a polarizing figure. many of the people who -- your staunchest supporters, young people, don't see him -- many of them don't see him as a leader
anymore, that he is somewhat of the past and is tried to traditional politics in washington. do i think that was a good move grour candidate to meet with someone who may be seen in that light? >> you know, i think it's always a good move to reach out and connect with folks and have a dialogue about addressing issues in the. frm community and communities of color. we are happy we met with reverend sharpton today. we have had additional meetings with other folks that weren't necessarily plastered on cnn. >> like? >> we are committed to reaching out and connecting with folks. don, look. nine months ago nobody thought senator sanders was a serious candidate in this race. he got into the race, folks did not take him seriously. we have demonstrated that senator sanders is a serious candidate. we have demonstrated that he can go toe to toe with secretary clinton, not only in states like iowa or new hampshire but we've demonstrated that he can go toe to toe with her on the debate stage and now we're going to demonstrate that senator
sanders' message has resonate with communities of color and we can go toe to toe with her in states like nevada, south carolina and march 1 states. >> i'm going to let you finish but you still didn't acknowledge who else he was meeting with. so i'm just going to dpsh. >> don, look. what's so great about senator sanders -- >> i got you, symone. i'm just messing with you. >> he's authentic, though. we're not plastering every single meeting we have on the front pages of the newspapers or the television. but what we are doing, we're in the barbershops, like i like to say, the barbershops, the beauty shops and -- >> this is an acknowledgment, though, that you are working to gain the support of the african-american community and something that is seen as a weakness for him, correct? >> some might call it a weakness. i would like to call it an opportunity. >> fair enough. thank you, symone. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll see you soon. after losing new hampshire the clinton campaign sent out a memo saying that as she heads to states with more diverse voters
she is well positioned to build a strong, potentially insurmountable lead. but does clinton have the african-american vote sewn up? joining me now, michael nutter, cnn contributor, the former mayor of philadelphia, who is a hillary clinton supporter. and van jones, political commentator. thank you guys for coming on. so you heard symone there going toe to toe with me. she's a force to be reckoned with, and we like having her on. van, black voters have been loyal to both bill and hillary clinton for years now. the big question, is that changing or can she still count on that support? >> don, you never take any support for granted -- >> van first. then michael. go ahead, van. >> i'm sorry. >> it's okay. >> let's be honest. it is not news when bill clinton goes to harlem. bill clinton had offices in harlem. it's not news when hillary clinton goes to harlem. so we have to be very, very honest here. i think bernie sanders has a lot of room to grow in the black community and i think he will grow in the black community. but where we are right now, he
has not made those strong connections yet. philosophically, yes. historically, yes. but practically, not yet. so he starts with a -- he has a huge head start. the reason he has the ability to catch up, though, at least in part, is because i believe his message resonates so strongly with the younger african-american activists like you just had on, like ben jealous, who used to run the naacp, and others, michelle alexander, who wrote the -- >> and we're going to talk more about that. and especially in the way we're discussing race now, the way it is framed now. it is framed in mass incarceration, the black lives matter, police brutality. that is the structure in which we frame it now. but michael, quickly now, before we go on to talk about that, why do you think the clinton's hold such a special appeal for so many black people? >> well, because the relationships are so long-standing. they're so deep. they're real. they are real people who can
testify to the nature of these relationships, folks who have been lifted up in positions, either working with president clinton or with secretary clinton and their respective offices, their levels of different service. and so you know, it's not a matter of just trying to jumpstart something or start having these kinds of meetings. as you said, it's not news when either the president or secretary go to harlem. there are no cameras following them around. it's not a brand new thing. it's their life's work. but again, as i was starting to say at the beginning, hillary clinton will take nothing for granted, not take any votes for granted, not take any group of people together. and i know there's a lot of focus now on the african-american vote. again, this is a presidential race. there are all kinds of votes out there. and as we move out of iowa and new hampshire you are going to see greater diversity in many of the other states.
and the african-american community will play a significant role in this race as we always do in each and every race. so senator sanders will do what he thinks he needs to do, and he's kind of trying to jumpstart a new relationship with the african-american community while at the same time secretary clinton will enhance the long-standing, decades-long relationships. and as representative jeffries highlighted earlier, there is a lot of support in the african-american community for senator clinton. >> okay, van, you can respond after the break. and mayor, forgive me for calling you michael. i got ahead of myself. you were the mayor of philadelphia and i should respect that. both of you stand by. we're going to continue to talk about this conversation and two people who came out today in support of bernie sanders. bernie sanders won just about every demographic in new hampshire except non-white voters. we'll talk about that as well next.
announced they're not supporting hillary clinton. author ta-nehisi coates announced he will be voting for bernie sanders. cornel west. and michelle alexander came out in "the nation" with what many clinton supporters view as a scathing article. you're not surprised by that. >> no, i'm not. because there's this big myth that the african-american community is this sort of monolith that's behind the clintons, we declared him the first black president, we love him, and a lot of that is true. there is affection for the clintons. but it's not a bottomless well of affection. and for these younger voters their issue is mass incarceration. just like the latino community has a thousand blessings and a thousand problems, but the issue they have lifted up is immigration. they have other problems but they lifted that one up. >> many people would say the number one thing for hispanics and everyone, though, would be the economy. >> well, sure. but when you talk about what is
the issue that they have lifted up as almost like a do or die issue, the immigration issue has been a dear issue. for these younger african-americans are black lives matter, the issue of mass incarceration and criminal justice reform has been their issue. it's a similar thing. and so because of that the clintons look different to these younger voters. they look at bill clinton as someone who really ushered in this mass incarceration era. a million people behind bars when clinton came into office, 2 million when he left. and clinton himself has said that he's got some regrets about that. but you have to remember, that is the lens now for a whole generation of young african-americans and they look at the clintons very differently. they don't have that same affection. that means they are open to an argument for bernie sanders. >> i don't know if younger people would think that black people are in jail because of bill clinton. i don't know if they have that historical knowledge. maybe they do. i could be wrong about that.
go ahead, mayor. what do you think? >> well, just -- the black lives matter movement, black lives matters movement has raised a number of issues. and certainly mass incarceration is a significant issue in their agenda, and it should be in the agenda of all of us. certainly of concern to me. but it's not the only issue. and certainly having a job, having economic opportunity, even re-entry opportunities, making sure our kids are getting an education and that we're safe on our streets are certainly significant issues in and of themselves to the black lives matters movement and all americans. so as the african-american community is not monolithic, it's also not, you know, mono issue. it's not a single issue constituency either. so let's -- you know, african-americans have the right -- >> i'm trying -- >> -- to have as many issues and concerns on their minds as they want to. >> mr. mayor, i'm just trying --
if you're trying to understand where there's an opening, why there may be some squishiness here, why when you look up in south carolina you may have 30%, 40% for bernie sanders, when you scratch those numbers i think what you'll see is this has become an issue for a section of the community that's a very vocal section. that's all i'm saying. >> i understand that. >> certainly the economy is an issue. >> yeah, we get it. >> what don said. >> how race is being framed this particular time. because before it was about jobs and the economy. then it was about the housing crisis, where people will losing their houses. they said when america catches a cold black america gets the flu. but this particular time it's around mass incarceration and police brutality. i have to ask you, mayor -- >> there are a lot of issues out there. >> the support of mothers, of trayvon martin, sandra brown -- what significance will that have and the congressional black caucus on the clinton campaign?
if you can do it quickly, i'm almost out of -- >> it will be significant probably on both sides. let the race play out. nevada, south carolina, get to super tuesday, accumulation of delegates. i mean, it's a complicated scenario here. and let the voters decide. >> okay. i want you gentlemen to stick around because you're going to listen to a conversation i had with rudy giuliani and you'll get to respond to that. just ahead, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani weighs in on donald trump's campaign and how it's shaking up the gop. i'm going to ask him why he's so critical of beyonce's performance at the super bowl, which he called anti-police. i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here. ♪
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thousands cheer donald trump tonight at a campaign rally in south carolina fresh off of his overwhelming victory in the new hampshire primary. the countdown to south carolina, the primary there is on. it is 11:00 in the east. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. is the republican establishment ready to take trump seriously? i'll ask former new york city mayor rudy giuliani tonight. he weighs in on trump's impact on the gop race. and president obama goes back to the city where he launched his presidential campaign nine years ago, talking about his political achievements and failures. there's a lot to get to in the hour ahead. next stops on the cig