tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN February 11, 2016 9:00am-10:01am PST
♪ hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." the campaigns have gone south. having been booted and bruised and brought down this week in new england, for two hours, anyway, the democratic battle moves west. got a live picture for you of a very important stage, folks. technically, midwest. this is milwaukee, wisconsin, site of a pbs news hour, democratic debate also airing
right here on cnn. fresh off of his new hampshire landslide, bernie sanders is going to again face hillary clinton who has been under wraps since that thumping she got in new hampshire. sanders has not been under wraps, anything but, in fact. on abc's "the view" and cbs' "late show," bernie sanders talked shop, and cracked jokes and suggested his appeal to young voters comes down to two words. why not? >> why can't all people in this country have health care? why can't we make public colleges and universities tuition-free? why not? why do we have so much -- [ cheers and applause ] >> well, the answer is -- the answer is that it's expensive. it's a very expensive thing to do. the top 1% has a lot of influence with the government, and they're not just going to give it up. you know? >> well -- >> they're going to fight you tooth and nail. and i'll tell you how i know. i'm in the top 1%. [ laughter ] why do you think you can make this change?
>> i think because we have reached a point that american society, where people are just very, very unhappy with the status quo. >> even during her downtime, senator clinton picked up a very big endorsement. and it came just moments ago from the political action committee of the congressional black caucus. >> so you judge a person by their results. and there is no question that the person that has the most results and benefits for communities of color and everyone in america, in my opinion. but especially getting democrats elected. there's not even close. it's not even close! it's hillary clinton. >> there you have that. so all of this brings me to my cnn colleague, brianna keilar at the showdown at the university of wisconsin-milwaukee.
i had to double-check the list, our location information. because i fully expected this should be in south carolina but it's in wisconsin. first answer me why we're in wisconsin, and then with that answer, how different it's going to be from new hampshire. >> well, it doesn't perhaps, ashleigh, make a lot of sense right now why this would be in wisconsin. but you want to think back several months to when this debate was scheduled. and one of the people that i think certainly democrats thought would be a tough republican challenger against a democratic nominee was scott walker. governor of wisconsin. so i think that that was probably part of the calculus, having a debate in his backyard. obviously, he's not in the race and hasn't been for some time at this point. but way back when, it perhaps made a little bit more sense. i do think the debate you're going to see here at the university of wisconsin-milwaukee tonight is really one to watch. because you have this narrative where hillary clinton has suffered this loss, bernie sanders has had this big win, he wants to continue some momentum. but what we're getting in some
of those indications, even coming from john lewis and other folks who endorse hillary clinton as part of this congressional black caucus pac endorsement, you're seeing there are these attacks coming from hillary clinton supporters. and i think that's an indication you're going to see hillary clinton really trying to draw some of the sharpest contrast yet with bernie sanders. you can never really know exactly what's going to happen in a debate. but considering the environment right now, i think this is really shaping up to be one of the more contentious debates we have seen. >> brianna keilar live for us at the site of the debate in milwaukee. thank you for that. the black vote was not a decisive factor in the two presidential contests we have had to date, iowa and new hampshire. but look what is fast approaching for democrats. nevada caucuses, nine days from now, and south carolina's primary, one week after that. both of those states are diverse. in nevada, whites are a slim majority with hispanics making
up more than a quarter of the population, and african-americans 8%. in south carolina, the black population is 28% of the total. total hispanics, 5%. but even that is not the entire picture. when barack obama ran in 2008, african-americans made up 54% of south carolina's democratic primary voters. again, 54%. i know those numbers are important, but let's talk about the people and some of the people behind the numbers. i'm pleased to welcome two south carolina state lawmakers. both of them are democrats, representative john richard king supports hillary clinton for president and representative caesar mcknight supports bernie sanders. welcome to the both of you. glad you could be seated happily side by side. i'm going to put you both to the test, if i can. representative king, this is a critical state for hillary clinton. it has always been thought that when you say the word "clinton," it harkens back to bill clinton
being the technical first black president of the united states. and now all of a sudden there is this divide. why is that? >> well, i don't think there is a divide in south carolina. i think that the voters in south carolina will still continue to support the clintons. secretary clinton has a proven track record of being a supporter of the african-american community. and as you have seen just today, the congressional black caucus came out with an endorsement. and majority of the south carolina legislative black caucus members have endorsed secretary clinton. so i think there is not a divide. i think there is great support here in south carolina for secretary clinton. >> so representative mcknight, you're backing bernie sanders. some people are surprised now that so much attention is turning to south carolina that there is a sizeable backing for bernie sanders. what is it about bernie sanders that attracts black voters? >> i think it's senator sanders' message about the economic disparity in this country that's so appealing to african-american
voters. african-americans have been on the front line of the chopping block in the fleecing of america in that since the great recession, we have seen the values of the african-american household, their household wealth, plummet to an average of $9,000 per household. and it's bearing in mind that our constituents need to be reminded that the conditions that led to the great recession were created in large part during the clinton administration with the deregulations of the banks with nafta, which devastated all of the industry in my community, one which all of our plants and factories left. so i think that the other thing is, the black vote is not to just be taken for granted and think it can wholesale go one way or the other. we saw that in 2008 when secretary clinton ran for president, and it seemed as if she took south carolina for granted. and we saw the result and we ended up with president obama. i think that once african-american voters here in
south carolina hear the message of senator sanders, that a lot of them will rally to the message that he has. because it's effective, it's on point and it's necessary. and it points out the problems that we're having in our community. >> i would love to have both of you weigh in, and representative king, i will let you go first on the significance of what happened last hour, and the congressional office pac coming forward and saying they support hillary clinton. >> the 2008 election, the difference is that african-american people just like any other culture, we vote for our own. and i think that's what it was. it was not that we disliked the clintons. i think that what it was, we were voting for someone who looked like us. and we wanted something different. we felt that it was time for america to recognize that african-american people can lead this country. and we -- in a great way. and we have proven that to be true. because president barack obama has done an excellent job.
and i lean into saying that secretary clinton would move forward in carrying out a lot of what president obama has already done, and our opponent has said some things that we think will hurt what we have accomplished. >> so representative mcknight, i saw you give a side eye there. you're getting a side eye from representative mcknight. it's all very polite, but at the same time, i can definitely see the difference between the two of you, and regarding president obama, representative mcknight, you have said obama shares in some of the blame for not putting anyone in jail after the big bank bailout and wall street debacle. is hillary clinton to be held accountable for what is perceived to be barack obama's failings in the bank bailout? >> well, i think that you may see a continuation of what's happened with the results and the fallout of the great recession. yes, i have said that we have had people fleece the retirements and pensions of millions of americans through unscrupulous business practices, and no one has gone to jail. the only thing that we have had
happen is for big banks to pay a fine and no one to be held accountable. we see that now, given the fact that we know that secretary clinton has taken millions of dollars from speaking engagements and banks. what are we led to believe? that she is suddenly going to turn tough on the people that put the food on her table? i don't think so. >> i hate that you would say that about secretary clinton. but we cannot prove anywhere where she has -- when she has taken money, where she has let her vote to be bought. or she has changed her vote as a senator for the united states. >> you're right. >> she has stayed firm on her decisions. and secretary clinton has a proven track record of being very supportive of the african-american community. she has a proven track record of moving forward in supporting what the president -- >> in what way has she been supportive of the african-american community as a senator? she has voted for the iraq war that cost us the lives of thousands of united states citizens.
lots of them african-americans. so i can't sit -- here's the other thing you need to know. it's her husband's administration that backed the three strikes you're outlaws that have locked up an entire generation of black and brown people in this country. and she has just paid lip service to it. so i don't want it to be -- made it seem as if hillary clinton is like the second coming of rosa parks, because she's not. >> well, i would say this. if the congressional black caucus felt that she was not in support of african-american communities, i don't think we would have received that endorsement today. i don't think that me as an elected official and other black elected officials in the state of south carolina overwhelmingly, a lot of the legislative black caucus chairs in south carolina, including myself, have endorsed hillary clinton. we would not put our community at a disadvantage. i don't think that we -- we as a -- as elected officials in this state, and black elected officials across this country would come out strong with hillary clinton. >> i have to --
>> it would be a disadvantage to our community. >> i have to leave it there. you've got to make it a ten-second comment or i'm going to lose our satellite window. >> i can make it ten seconds. let me be clear. hillary clinton is far better choice than any republican we can have as a presidential candidate. if she wins, i will wholeheartedly support her. i just believe bernie sanders to be a better candidate than she. >> i appreciate both of you coming out of being so professional in your disagreement with one another. i'm fully expecting a handshake off camera between both of you. >> oh, we're friends. >> we actually hug, because hillary is going to be president. >> yeah, right. >> now this is what i like to see in american politics. thanks, gentlemen. i appreciate it. and what's remarkable is with this difference, there is still the monolithic 74% black vote polling for senator clinton over 17 for bernie sanders. so look at your screen, folks. programming note tonight, cnn simulcasting the pbs news hour democratic presidential debate live from milwaukee. 9:00 p.m. eastern time. you can find it on cnn as well
as your local pbs station. another piece of news. got to bring to you. it's not the greatest news, unfortunately. it's just one of those realities. take a look at those numbers. the dow down over 300 points. it's been a mess on wall street today. and you keep hearing about oil prices being to blame. once again, yeah, they're below 30 bucks a barrel. they're down below $27 per barrel right now. and that spells doom and gloom for people who trade stocks. i want to go out to alison kosik at the new york stock exchange right from the moment of opening. we knew this would be ugly and it didn't disappoint for those folks. >> yeah, those red arrows, they have not looked back. we have certainly seen the dow plunge further, although it's come back a bit. the dow down 300 points, and oil has a lot to do with it. when vest to say see oil plunging this much over the past two years, going from $100 down to $27. they see it as a bad only men, that it's signalling something
wrong with the underlying economy. it's good for consumers, because we love -- it translates into lower gas prices. but at some point, in the economy, it hurts the economy. look at just last year. 67 american oil and gas companies, they went bankrupt. that's actually a huge jump. there are lots of job cuts. hundreds of thousands in the oil patch. also foreclosures in those oil-rich states like north dakota and texas. so we do enjoy our lower oil prices because of the gas pump. but there is a big segment of the economy that's hurting. ashleigh? >> all right, alison kosik watching it for us today. it's going to be one of those long days where everyone is going to be sort of holding on, gripping. you'll be one of them. thank you, alison. next, he dominated the republican field in new hampshire. but can donald trump do the same thing further south? when it comes to south carolina? what about that guy who won iowa a week ago? remember him? ted cruz? can he give trump a run for his money now that evangelicals are back in play? it's a whole new state and a whole new battle south of the mason dixon.
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southern hospitality now would be the lady on the left, carly fiorina and chris christie. they are presumably headed back to where they live or already there. donald trump, however, riding a giant lead into south carolina, pressure from his primary win in new hampshire. the surprise second-place finisher up north, john kasich, governor john kasich, pulling pretty low when it comes to south carolina. and he even told cnn he knows winning is not in the cards in south carolina. but he's keeping it positive, nonetheless. donald trump, positive? not so much. >> people are tired of losing in this country. we're losing all of the time. people are tired of stupidity, incompete incompetentence. we're not going to have it any more. we this a case where somebody was talking about the anger they think he have. i'm not an angry person, you're
not angry. but we're angry about the way our country is run. >> i think at this point it is becoming more and more a two-man race between me and donald trump. and what we're seeing is conservatives uniting behind our campaign. and if conservatives continue to unite, we're going to win the nomination and that's also how we win the general. >> and there you have it. two guys whose voices are really loud. senator ted cruz, said it quickly. so you may have missed it. but he calls the republican contest a two-man race. margaret hoover, political commentator, is with me now. and you're also calling it a two-man race. i just don't know if you're calling it a two-man race for south carolina or for the rest of the whole show. >> not for the rest of the show. potentially. >> what? >> certainly south carolina and in the s.e.c. primary. this essentially becomes down to -- we talked about a bloodbath a lot yesterday. you heard this meme, a bloodbath between marco rubio and jeb bush for the establishment lane. this is going to be a bloodbath between ted cruz and donald trump in south carolina and then
extending through the southern states where you have the s.e.c. primary on march 1st. because it's evangelicals they're fighting over. and the largest block of the evangelicals, they're going for, ashleigh, is blue collar evangelicals. trump won them in new hampshire. trump won in iowa. >> so they're not a monolithic block any more? >> nor have they ever been. you have collegeated and noncollege educated. 37 noncollege educated, 28% college educated. that's who they're voting for. that is the block of voters both of them need to win. >> the issue for, obviously, every one of the candidates who has dropped out, except for ben carson. i'm still curious about ben carson and i'll ask in a minute. is money. you run out of money, and you run out of people who back you. and now there is that establishment money and establishment support that seems to be up for grabs. and no one seems to know where that money will go. >> it's -- it's not up for grabs. it's tied between jeb and kasich and rubio.
and that establishment money is all there. cruz has his own funding. trump, as we know, has his own funding. so actually, the problem is, if the establishment really wants a race, they're going to have a coalition. that is an old meme. this is not about the establishment. that's the old paradigm. the new paradigm is this is trump's race to lose. how much is cruz going to sort of cobble off. cruz has owned christian evangelical conservatives and he will continue to do that. that's just a third of the party. trump has coalesceded the other third of the party and the straebt -- >> and evangelicals -- that's what i found so unusual. can -- i should say twice divorced and three times married felt -- >> i'm so glad you mentioned that. i'm so glad you mentioned it. when you look at these evangelicals, the challenges and issues that motivate them are economic issues. kitchen table issues. so you talk about immigration, that's an economic issue. you talk about trade, that's an economic issue. >> and at trump, the evangelical
issue, pardon the fun. margaret hoover, thank you. a reminder, tonight, if i didn't already say t i'm going to say it again. cnn will simulcast the pbs news hour, democratic presidential debate live from milwaukee -- yes, wisconsin! starts at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. find it here on cnn and your local pbs station. coming up next, it is deadly and it is spreading and it's raising fears around the world. and it is front and center right now on capitol hill. i'm talking about zika virus and the united states. dr. sanjay gun at that is going to join me with the real stories and the real risks after the break. incredible bladder protection from always discreet
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the zika virus is front and center here in the united states at a senate appropriations subcommittee hearing today. it's because the directors of both the cdc and the national institutes of allergy and infectious diseases are on hand to answer the senator's questions related to the president's request for money. emergency money. to battle this problem of zika. the cdc chief shared his concerns. >> we will undoubtedly see many travelers returning to the u.s. with zika. there are many people who travel from the u.s. who will come back with zika. if it's like dengue in the past, we will see hundreds of thousands of travellers returning to the u.s. and unfortunately, some individuals will be pregnant women. >> the hearing comes with some very bad news breaking, as well. brazil's ministry of health is
confirming today three deaths related to zika. and the last one happened in april. and the virus has now been linked to an eye abnormality that can cause blindness in babies born with that disease you keep hearing of microcephaly. i want to get some of the straight answers on what these risks are with dr. sanjay gupta who joins me live. sanjay, thank you so much. up until now i was prepared to ask you questions about the spread of zika here in the united states. and i will get to that. but then this morning the news of these three deaths in brazil. these were not babies. these were grownups, adults with zika. is this a new risk that we're just learning about that it's now deadly? >> no. i don't think so. i think what we have been hearing all along is the vast majority of people who get this infection are going to -- you have little or no symptoms. and when i say vast majority, i mean 80% of people. there are some people who it's going to be riskier in. it could be people who have underlying illness, it could be people whose immune systems are suppressed. we don't know. one of the cases -- one of the
people in brazil is a 20-year-old woman who apparently had no other medical history, but it's also challenging sometimes to know did she have zika for sure, was this another infectious disease? and it speaks to the capability of the testing right now, ashleigh. it's not perfect testing so they don't know for sure if, in fact, zika led to her death. >> okay, son jay. there are now 20 united states -- states within the u.s. that have reported the presence of zika. and you just heard that testimony on capitol hill saying tens of thousands of people are going to and from infected areas all of the time. we may not have mosquitoes because it's winter now in the u.s. but that's going to change. and with 20 states affected right now, and almost certainly more states are going to be affected with those kinds of travel, how concerned should americans be, and not just for pregnant women, for everybody? >> well, you know, as you might imagine, ashleigh, i've been thinking about this issue almost nonstop for a few weeks now. and tom frieden says 40 million
people go back and forth to these infected countries. areas that have zika that is spreading. here is what i would tell you. i think we're going to see cases of zika probably in every state in the country. for that very reason. but those are people, most are people who are going to these countries where zika is spreading and bringing it back in their system. bringing it back in the united states. what the real question is, and what we're really going to be looking for, is it starting to spread now within the united states? local transmission, local spread. you've heard those terms, is it happening. that's the question. what we know is that other similar viruss that are spread the same way, like dengue fever, for example, has spread within the united states. but is typically small spreads and confined to areas like south florida and south texas. areas that the climate is very similar to the countries where zika is now spreading. so you're right. we do have some of these mosquitoes in the united states. we will probably see spread, but i think it's going to be limited. and that's just based on what we already know.
>> i hope so. because, you know, if you're pregnant or thinking of getting pregnant, you've got nine months, and a very warm season that's coming up where that could be a risk. we'll have to talk more about this as we continue to, you know, learn more details in the information evolves, as well. thank you, sanjay. >> thank you, ashleigh. >> dr. gupta joining us live from atlanta to tday. coming up next, how are senators clinton and sanders preparing for this big head-to-head battle tonight in wisconsin? and will all that money pouring into bernie after his new hampshire win make a big difference for him as he heads to south carolina?
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hours, folks. the countdown clock is on. just a little over eight hours to tonight's big pbs presidential debate. the democratic presidential debate simulcast here on cnn. it's going to be another exciting match-up. trust me. these things rate really high. who knew? debate after debate after debate. the numbers are amazing. so let's talk a little bit about what's going to be different between these two. there will be something very significant. this is the first one since bernie sanders beat hillary clinton by 22 points in this week's new hampshire primary. first head-to-head since that. of course, after which sanders was able to flex some pretty big fund-raising muscles and pull in $6 million online. can i repeat that because it's that's a big number. $6 million in a little over 24 hours. wow. 48 primaries and caucus still lie ahead and they're all tough as my next guests are quick to remind me. bob beckel, democratic strategist and awesome spenders
wearer. and king supports bernie sanders. and whitman supports hillary clinton. all right. so as we head into this next match-up, i think the big question on everyone's mind is, they have been so polite, relatively polite. other than that whole artful smear business. is that about to change? when we moved to south carolina in every campaign, it starts to get kind of bloody. bob, start. >> yeah, it is. south carolina has notoriously been that way. i've been six presidentials down there and it's just mean. >> why? >> well, it's in the water, or something. i don't know. i mean, it's just -- there's a lot of dirty tricks played down there. and i'll tell you, from the democrats' standpoint, bernie sanders has got a real big problem now. almost half that electorate is going to be black. and he's not had any black votes. now, i'll say this. hillary clinton, when she ran in 2008, against barack obama, was carrying the south carolina
black vote 60% of the vote. then obama wins iowa, and she loses 77 to something. so whether sanders could pull that off, the big difference was it was a black candidate. but it's -- it's a tough haul. a brand-new electorate. >> naomi just had the finger pause. >> one poll in the past year in south carolina. so the numbers are -- we have no idea. >> i was going to say, we have no idea. we have got this at least from nbc. 74% of african-american voters in south carolina to sanders 17. >> right. >> say what you will about polls, sometimes they're crazy and they just were spot-on in new hampshire. >> so if you think about it, in the -- in what happened in new hampshire, he won among african-american millionials. anybody under the age of 44, in south carolina, even jim clyburn's grandson was quoted as saying all my friends are supporting bernie sanders. >> and he hasn't declared yet. >> she is going to get this endorsement from the congressional black caucus. that will indeed hurt bernie
sanders. but when it comes to the record, there has been some amazing pieces. today in the nation, there is an incredible piece about why hillary clinton has not been good for blacks. >> wait, why bernie sanders -- >> excuse me. hillary clinton has not been good -- >> there is this grass roots movement. i'm not going to lie. i'm hearing more and more. people coming out of the woodwork to tell me she shouldn't expect that south carolina is going to be a lock on the black vote. and the black vote is everything. if we thought that youth and women were important to hillary before, bernard, the black vote is critical. and bernie sanders may not be known to them yet. but there is time to get known and there is also this whole issue of income inequality, which bernie sanders has been nailing from the very beginning. >> i think it's absolutely essential. and hillary clinton is no way going to take for granted the american vote. if i am bernie sanders or hillary clinton, i would definitely favor the electoral map for hillary clinton. why? south carolina, she got the endorsement. nevada which she already won eight years ago. you have states a couple days later in super tuesday, georgia,
my home state of virginia, texas. these are all states that are going to be disproportionately favor her message, disproportionately made up of people of color with whom she has a long record of delivering real ruts for. so i think burnernie says i mayt have another win for a long time. >> when we talk about things from eight years ago and we're as guilty as everybody. we quote all sorts of things that happened eight years ago. and along comes 2016, bob. and nothing makes sense any more. and 2008 seems like it could be the reagan era. it just seems so long ago in terms of the rules of the game and the numbers that existed back then. and how great she was up in the northern states. >> i know. the strange way, hillary clinton runs better as an underdog. i mean, she -- she gets passionate in her message. she -- that's one of her problems now. it's too much lacking passion. and the other thing -- >> she gets criticized for having too much passion. they always say, when a woman is
enthusiastic, it's yelling. when a man is enthusiastic, it's a movement. >> i don't know. bernie can -- i've known him for a long time. he can sound yelling to me. but, you know, here's the difference. you say that he carried votes in new hampshire. but what percentage was -- of color in that state, 7%? >> much lower. 3. >> but listen, here's the problem. he carried white voters up there, 60/40, right? if -- he's probably not going to do that this time in south carolina. that means whoever wins the black vote most likely is going to win south carolina. >> i have to wrap it there, unfortunately. i could do this numbers game all day. and just sort of try to demystify what's happening everywhere as we go state to state. i think it's why there are so many tv ratings. everyone is flummoxed by both sides of the race. thank you very much. we invite you all back any time. clear your calendars. it's a busy time. again, i can't stress enough. this is going to be great. programming note. cnn simulcasting with pbs news hour, democratic presidential
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welcome back, everyone. this is "legal view," i'm ashleigh banfield. six women have filed a title 9 federal lawsuit against the university of tennessee. that lawsuit claims that the university, quote, created a student culture that enables sexual assaults by student athletes, especially football players. and then uses an unusual legalistic aadjudication process that is biased against victims who step forward. these are the allegations in the suit. also accuses four former tennessee athletes and one current football player of sexual assault. it's very complicated and cnn's niko nikola nick valencia has been reading through the documents. we have court documents and allegations. what more do we know about this lawsuit and case? >> these six women, ashleigh,
claim they didn't get justice. each was a student at the university of tennessee, each saying they were sexually assaulted or raped by a student athlete between the years of 2012 and 2014. in the cases of two athletes, they are currently awaiting trial on rape charges. but in the other cases, nothing ever happened. i spoke earlier with one of the victims who is being identified only as jane doe number one in the lawsuit. she has asked us to with hold her identity, of course. it is cnn's policy not to name a victim or alleged victim of a sexual assault or rape. but ashleigh, she did explain exactly what happened that day in february of 2013. she says she was raped by a university of tennessee basketball player and immediately afterwards went to the police and also to the hospital where she had a rape kit conducted. she says the results of that rape kit were never tested. i spoke to her by phone a little while ago. here she is in her own words. >> i just want people to know that me and these other girls did not know each other before
this. we came together to change the environment, to change what is done about sexual assault. and i don't understand why people think that we're lying about it. i tried to press criminal charges with the district attorney, and she told me that there was not enough physical evidence, and that the rape kit wouldn't be tested unless i could pursue criminal charges so it was never tested. >> you could hear the terror in that young woman's voice. we did reach out to the assistant district attorney who was involved in this case. and they told us there was a variety of reasons that they decided not to pursue criminal charges in the case of jane doe number one, but decided to not elaborate further. they said they are aren't going to comment on ongoing litigation. as far as the university of tennessee is concerned, we have also reached out to them and they did send us a statement which read in part, in the situations identified in the lawsuit filed, the university
acted lawfully and in good faith and we expect a court to degree. any assertion we do not take sexual assault seriously enough is simply not true. to claim we have allowed a culture to exist contrary to our institutional commitment to provide a safe environment for our students or we do not support those who assert sexual assault is false. i did speak to the attorney of these plaintiffs, david smith tells cnn he's looking forward to this litigation. he says the truth will come out in court. ashleigh? >> that's just perplexing to no end. a d.a. saying i don't have enough physical evidence to go forward, but i've gotten an untested rape kit. that makes no sense. this is unbelievable. thank you, nick valencia reporting live for us. some other top news stories. clive and bundy now in fbi custody. he's, of course, the father of the man who once led the armed occupation of a federal wildlife
refuge in oregon. word from the ground, the occupation itself is almost over. the few remaining activists reportedly say they will pack it in before today is over. there is no confirmation yet of that happening. the family of tamir rice says they have been sent a bill, a $500 bill for an ambulance ride after that 12-year-old boy was shot dead by a cleveland police officer. but the city is denying that any such bill was sent. police officers shot the boy, saying he mistook a toy pelt gun for the real thing. the rice family is outraged over the alleged bill, even though the police union fighting to clear the officer's name said it's a bad move. hillary clinton says cleveland should drop this fee. the city says the reported bill is either a mistake or it's a misunderstanding. >> we have not in the past or
intended to in the future bill the tamir rice family for transport services. there has never been a direct bill to the family for transport services. as this body people probably know, we transport and collect between 12 and $15 million a year in ems transport services. so we have processes in place in order to collect from insurance companies for those transport costs. >> of course, there's been a lot of litigation in the tamir rice case. we're going to continue to follow that story for you and update you as we learn more. we do have other news, as well. the justice department suing the city of ferguson, missouri, after the city council there refused to ratify an agreement to reform that city's police department. the feds intervened in this stormy aftermath of the shooting death of michael brown by a ferguson police officer. there was a lengthy
investigation that turned up what they say is a pattern of police misconduct. city leaders say they wanted to amend the agreement, not scrap it completely, out of concerns it would cost them too much to implement that the fed said they knew what they had, and any vote no was an overall vote no. so now there is a lawsuit from the feds. it was the vacation from hell. people on board a cruise ship really thought they might die. and why not? when you look at these pictures. holy cow. this is royal caribbean, and the cruise line now is saying to those people that they're safe and there is a lot more that they have to say back. you'll hear, next.
up. after a nice, relaxing seven-day trip, what was supposed to be, anyway, turned into this. a messy topsy-turvy nightmare on the high seas. look at the videos that the passengers were able to get. the ship sailed right into a major storm, hurricane-force winds. and thousands of passengers were forced to hunker down to keep from flying across the deck, even going overboard. they were actually told, get in your cabins. there were a few people who were hurt, but thankfully the ship did make it back to dry land and now royal caribbean has some explaining to do. alina machado is in miami, and i know passengers were saying why were we in that weather to start with. what is the cruise line saying? >> reporter: ashleigh, a senior vice president from royalca ran i didn't know says captains have weather tools available to them. in this particular case, the cruise line says they saw a storm forecast in the area they were headed to, and that forecast was predicting an intensity of 55 to 65 knots, not
something they like to sail into, but conditions they say their ships can easily handle. we're told the captain, a 15-year veteran, plotted a course to avoid the worst of the storm. but the weather turned out to be much worse than what they had anticipated, royal caribbean now saying they simply did not expect wind speeds to be at 125 miles per hour. the company told us last night that the captain makes the ultimate decision on whether they will sail, because the captain is ultimately responsible for the safety of those on board. moving forward, they are conducting a review of what happened, and they say they hope to use what they learned from this incident to enhance their storm avoidance policies, ashleigh. >> just real quickly. here's a quick interview with one of the passengers. have a listen to this. >> at one point i thought i wasn't going to see my family again. i held on to the mattress so i wouldn't fall off the bed. i was with two teenage boys. and it was just horrendous. >> wow. alina, thanks so much for the reporting. keep us posted, especially if
anybody launches any litigation after all of this. i'm sure once they get past the being scared, they may get angry. alina machado, reporting live for us. stay tuned, my colleague wolf blitzer, will take over the helm right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington, 2:30 a.m. friday in pyongyang. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks for joining us. the democratic presidential candidates meet in a high-stakes debate less than eight hours from now. this will be the first face-off between bernie sanders and hillary clinton since his blowout win in new hampshire. sanders hopes to maintain the momentum, while clinton is trying to hone the message and strategy. brianna keilar is in