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mars, what it's really about. it takes about nine months to get to mars. just showing you can be in a craft for that long. obviously, his mission is coming to an end. if you were gooding to mar, his mission would just be starting. >> all right, sanjay, excellent report. more coming up in our 5:00 p.m. eastern hour as well. that's it for me. thanks for watching. the news continues next on cnn. wolf blitzer, thank you, my friend. great to be with all of you on this thursday. i'm brooke baldwin. you're of course watching cnn and you will definitely want to be watching at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight where hillary clinton will get her first face-to-face with bernie sanders after he beat her in the new hampshire primary earlier this week. we are simulcasting that democratic debate on pbs. as clinton prepares to seize her chance to derail sanders
momentum, she gets a critical endorsement from a key democratic group. the congressional black caucus pac. no doubt her campaign is looking to the february 27th democratic primary in south carolina where, check the numbers with me, as of monday, 28% of registered voters. that includes all parties. are african-american. the lawmakers who endorsed her today also took some digs at bernie sanders. without mentioning him by name. >> so you judge a person by their results. and there is no question that the person that has obtained the most results and benefits for communities of color and everyone in america, in my opinion, but especially getting democrats elected, there's -- it's not even close, it's not even close, it's hillary clinton. >> we need a president who doesn't simply campaign and just
promise wonderful things. but things that are politically impossible to achieve. >> let's take it now straight to the debate and my friend beyawn that ke brianna keilar, at the site of the presidential debate. here's my question to you. you've been covering hillary clinton for two years now. if we're hearing from her campaign she will be more aggressive, what exactly do you think that means? >> that's really the question, right, brooke, is she going to really in a sharp way critique bernie sanders and certainly the environment is ripe for it, but the other issue is think about leading up into iowa. we talked about this. she was really attacking bernie sanders sharply and then she pulled back a week or so before the iowa caucuses. i think there was some concern that maybe that wasn't working for her. what we've seen recently is som husband, bill clinton, and some
prominent african-americans today in her corner attacking bernie sanders and doing that for her, but what we do know is she is at least going to be very aggressive in trying to draw some contrast on a number of issues. gun, for instance, crime, immigration, and talking to sources, brooke, one of the areas she really is going to try to drive home tonight is casting bernie sanders as someone who is breaking with president obama and that she is the one who wants to build on his legacy. >> all right, brianna keilar, thank you very much. again, the debate, 9:00 eastern. we'll be watching. meantime, senator sanders has gotten some significant support from prominent african-americans, including activist professor cornell west, ben jealouss who once led the naacp and the famed writer, the latest voice planning to vote for sanders. hollywood royalty and actor and
activist harry belafonte. >> to maybe consider and reconsider whether it is that bernie sanders offers. he offers us a chance to declare unequivocally that there is an america, that there is a group of citizens with a deep caring for where our nation goes and what it does in the process of going. >> let's dig into the clinton/sanders race with democratic strategist and attorney angela rye who is a board member of that black caucus congressional pac. author and essayist rich benjamin director of fellows at public policy organization dmos. welcome to all of you. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> i know you are my fellow journalist, you're going to be the neutral person here. the other two dem. with my two dems, show of hands, do you know either of you if
you're voting for hillary clinton? raise your hand if you are. okay. what about bernie sanders? okay. i don't know if we have undecided people or people who don't want to share but let me just begin then, angela, with you, since we have the news of the cbc pac today of which you are a member, you know, endorsing hillary clinton. you abstained. tell me why. >> brooke, because i'm on with people like you. and i think it's important for me to maintain my ability to be as neutral and as objective as possible. particularly in this election where we have so much at stake. you have the rising of black lives matter over the last couple of years of course with the start of the death of trayvon martin and i think things have gotten worse. of course we know that there are white supremists that say for example that race relations have gotten bad and worsened under president obama because of barack obama and i don't believe that's the case at all. i think that people are start -- really starting to show their true colors. i think it is time for us to take race relations in this
country, racial injustice in this country, economic injustice and rage disparities very seriously. for that reason alone, it's very important that every candidate on both sides of the aisle are taking black voters and our issues very, very, very seriously. >> all right. rich, i'm turning to you. do you know -- i know angela was saying she wants to remain neutral because she's on tv with people like me. do you know in your heart who you want yet? >> i have leanings. but i don't have a decisive answer. i wouldn't say it publicly anyway. so i'm following the race closely. a great race in terms of interest for a lot of democrats. >> we talk a lot, especially looking ahead to south carolina, and the nonwhite vote, which is so, so, so important. and when you look at the numbers and how there are some who assume it's in the bag for hillary clinton just based upon the legacy and bill clinton seen as the first, you know, black
president. you're friends with this writer, with the nation, michelle alexand alexander, she wrote this piece, entitled, why hillary clinton doesn't deserve the black vote. she wrote about the crime bill, others, hillary clinton supported, decimated black america. do you stand with your friend on that or disagree? >> yes, yes. they decimated black america in terms of unemployment, in terms of the incarceration of black people in prison and some of this are beyond the clintons, when we see how the deindustrialization of this country has led to the loss of employment. some of these are technical factors that go beyond hillary clinton. so the main point of that article is to sort of question really who is supporting hillary clinton in terms of black communities and why and not to take for granted that every black person is supporting hillary clinton just because her -- former president clinton
was deemed the first plan president. >> let me play some sound. vanessa, i want to tee this up for you, you know, georgia congressman and sort of civil rights icon john lewis was speaking today during the cbc endorsement of clinton and that is what he said. >> but i never met him. i would chair the committee for three years, from 1963 to 1966. i was involved in the sit-ins, the freedom ride, the march on washington, the march from selma to montgomery and directed the voter education project for six years. but i met hillary clinton. >> he says he met hillary clinton. he never saw bernie sanders. as we all know, he marched with dr. king, vanessa, do you think that will be damaging to senator sanders at all? >> potentially for those who
were considering him or thinking about him. quite honestly, as was mentioned earlier, what's really important in this race is not to kind of look to even the leaders to say how we're going to vote, but it's for these leaders to actually -- the candidates to actually address the issues that are of most importance to the voters, right, especially to black women -- >> what are you hearing from your "essence" readers? >> they want to hear about affordable health case living wage, college affordable. our younger audience 18 to 34 wants to hear about criminal justice reform, they want to hear about public education reform. those are the issues that are critical importance to our audience and the candidates that actually speak to those things that affect our everyday lives are the ones that are really, i believe, in this particular year, are the ones that are going to move the needle.
if they really want our vote, they shouldn't assume that the black vote is an automatic. they should see we're not all monolithic and they should address the issues we're telling them are important to us. >> not all monolithic. i'm looking at you out of the corner of my eye you're nodding. >> because you have to realize what's the average age of the cbc members. we have to consider millennials. a lot of these mill lenles were born after john lewis' great feat, after these cbc members were voted into office first. so they've seen the benefits of the civil rights movement positively and negatively in terms of the backlash that the other guest spoke about with obama's presidency. so how are they going to vote? and the candidates have to address the issues that were mentioned, affordable housing, debt free college, minimum wage. >> let's say these millennials, what endorsement do you think
matters the most? these lawmakers? ie, the john lewises? or the cornell wests, harry b l belafon belafonte, what do you think resonates most with the younger folks? >> i want to back check something. he was just on with don lemon last night defending his endorsement of hillary clinton. he's also a cbc board member. the thing we have to realize is we're now in a paradigm where there is a group of young people rising up saying you don't speak for me, whether you're harry belafonte or cornell west or ben jealouss you don't speak for me, inhave the power of my twitter feed and my followers. i have the power of my instagram feed. i have the power of my bull horn on my campus and you don't speak for me because i'm just as powerful. >> that has to mean -- ben jealouss endorsement, when you
look at what he has done, that has to mean something. >> it doesn't mean anything to me. that is someone who respects ben jealous but i still have the power to exercise my own voice, to know the issues that matter to me, to know what resonates to me. what spoke to me more loudly is the fact that bernie sanders has this super pac backing him. the nurse's super pac. a room full of white women talking about how to talk to black women in carolina. if you want to talk to me, hire people that look like me. if you want to talk to me, get an ad firm that looks like me and can speak in my voice. that is what's most important in this election. >> that is a powerful comment. we're going to end it there. angela, thank you. rich benjamin, vanessa de lucca, thank you all. it's an important conversation and you make an excellent point. tonight by the way, let me remind you, cnn will be simulcasting the pbs "newshour" live from milwaukee.
you will find it right here on pbs and of course your local pbs station. just in to cnn, new question also into the investigation over those american sailors briefly detained by iran a couple weeks ago. straight to the pentagon to barbara starr for that. >> brooke, we're now finding out the navy investigation into the incident where ten sailors last month were briefly detained, that investigation expected to be wrapped up in the next couple of weeks. they are looking at the circumstances, the key issue is what led those sailors to actually wind up in iranian waters. what actually went wrong with their gps navigation equipment? we're told by an official familiar with all of this. they're looking at three interesting scenarios. did the sailors actually just somehow misuse, misread the gps equipment, was there some technical fault with it, and a
third scenario, is it actually possible that the iranians or some other entities sailing in those waters jamled the gps equipment causing it to malfunction, directing the sailors into iranian territorial waters when they didn't realize that's where they were going. so some really interesting, very high-tech questions still about how all of this came to me. the human element very much still there. we've seen the video, the sailors obviously looking distressed and anxious about their situation, and we're also told today that the sailors have now reported to their counselors, their military counselors, that they underwent what is being called steady questioning by their iranian captors. was it a formal interrogation, who knows, but these are very young people that were in a circumstance that was very distressing to them. they underwent steady questioning. that is a typical integration
technique of a suspect in law enforcement, of a suspect in a war zone, to try and get them to say something. that's a very well understood fact. it may go a long way to explaining some of the distress that the sailors were feeling. brooke. >> as soon as you learn more, let us know. thank you very much on those american sailors. and that investigation. meantime, coming up, here's a headline for you. jeb is not dead. one columnist says he's got a new win as his brother hits the trail with him. which version of george w. bush might be see? plus, a showdown erupting after moscow accuses the american warplanes of bombing a war torn city. cnn takes you inside syria and the u.s. response. and my goodness, the cruise from hell. we'll speak live with the passenger who just got off this nightmare ship about what
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i'm brooke baldwin. here's the headline from the national post today. jeb isn't dead. hits carolina with new wind at his back. he and his brother, former president, bush 43, set to appear together in carolina. a state both bush 41 and 43 won. with this new boost, he is becoming even more of a target. dana millbank from "the washington post" writes, jeb is not dead, he seems comfortable in his own skin, he no longer hides from his own name, and he acknowledges that i'm part of the establishment. dana milbank joins me now. one of my fast lines was actually this, considering bush was ready for embalming before tuesday night, the notion that jeb is not dead is noteworthy. what's behind the turnaround, you think? >> well, i mean, we have to keep it in perspective, first of all. the man got 30,000 something votes, 11%, fourth place in new
hampshire, and we're all saying, hey, look at this, jeb's the new flavor in town. >> we were doing that before the end of new hampshire, by the way, all the snowball fights and the smiles, come on, yeah. >> right. we have to keep it in perspective. something is changing here. i think that, you know, going through that near death experience, he's become a much better candidate, a much better debater. much better on the stump. and as i wrote, he seems to be comfortable. people are picking up on that. the crowds are drawing. when you see marco rubio faltering, you know, you see christie getting out of the race, fiorina getting out of the race, well, who do you have left? you have john kasich maybe but he's seen as maybe too moderate in a lot of these states. what seemed at one point to be impossible now seems at least plausible, that jeb bush actually could get a second wind. >> it actually does. i'm wondering, you talk about this near death experience, does it stick? we're heading into south carolina and potentially beyond. the pressure then gets to him.
what do you think? >> well, the pressure got to him early on. i think he was tested. think about it, he was really only ton l only the obliterated by trump and he has become the anti-trump. think about it, trump got what, 35% of the vote in new hampshire. that means a lot of republicans are still not ready to go with trump so he can potentially solidify that piece of the electorate and as you noted, you know, the bushes aren't as strong in south carolina in particular, and he's got a ton of money still. so he can potentially be viable elsewhere in the country, but of course the trump momentum also shows no sign of abating. >> more on that later in the show. i'm staying with bush with you. the fact that his 90-year-old mother, you know, who was phenomenal with crowds in new hampshire. looking ahead to south carolina, we know his big brother will be on the trail. my question is this, which george w. bush do you think we'll see, the more aggressive
former president or the more, you know, embracing his brother's folksy texan? >> i would go for the latter. i think that's what w. has been his entire post presidency. i doubt he'll be giving a barn burner out there on the stump. i think it's a good thing because it's south carolina and also because jeb has gotten to the point of saying i'm not going to hide from being a bush, i am part of the establishment so, you know, take it or leave it. i think he may be pleasantly surprised. >> marco rubio aide was quoted as saying south carolina is going to be a bloodbath. marco rubio slammed of course his mentor, governor bush, along with trump and cruz in south carolina today. here is senator rubio. >> donald trump has zero foreign policy experience. negotiating a hotel deal in another country is not foreign policy experience. jeb bush has no foreign policy experience period. cruz, the only budget he voted for was a budget sponsored by
rand paul that bragged about cutting defense spending. >> jeb bush has no foreign policy experience. just sort of staying on that thread. what do you think of that strategy, if we want to call this the rubio reboot, will it be effective, particularly regard to governor bush? >> he's got a lot of targets to shoot at now. it is interesting he has finally included trump in the targets he's shooting at. you sort of get the feeling that marco rubio has had his rick perry oops moment. very hard to recover from that, like we saw in new hampshire. maybe he can, but he suddenly got this exposure last week after doing very well in iowa and people saw him and said, wait a second, maybe this guy is an empty suit, so he's really going to be on the defensive. i think he's going to be on the s receiving end of this bloodbath more than he'll dish it out. >> dana milbank, thank you so much. coming up next, dodging death and an uncertain future.
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today the u.s. denying russia's accusations that american warplanes bombed the war torn city of aleppo inside syria. as the brutal war there escalates, families are running for their lives. they are considered receive skri s refugees, they have nowhere to go. but canada is actually taking in tens of thousands just this year alone. cnn's drew griffin visited a center in calgary where a lot of these families are right now. >> its quiet facade can barely contain the joy inside. this is a resettlement house and it's dinnertime. >> corn, baby? >> huge families, huge smiles. cries, laughter and everywhere, children. they are all syrians. refugees plucked from uncertain futures in jordan and lebanon. selected under the canadian refugee resettlement program to be accepted as newly landed
immigrants. anush newman helps run this center. in three years, she says, everyone you see will be able to become a canadian. >> they really have nowhere else to go. >> no, they can't because the surrounding countries such as where they were, they don't give them citizenship so they'll remain as refugees for the rest of their lives. >> this person arrived just ten days ago. he and his wife and their four children fled aleppo syria. >> their was constant bomba bombardme bombardment. they decided, let's leave before it gets worse. he went to lebanon to settle there as refugee. >> do you miss syria? >> of course, of course. from my heart. we're very, very happy and very, very relaxed. >> for the first time in years, he feels his family is safe. but there's a long way to go.
they speak almost no english. they are new to just about every canadian custom. you shake hands with men and boys but not with the women. >> and we do a lot of parenting skills. >> the director here says that, too, will change and soon. >> in three months, if you talk to these children, you won't even recognize them as a refugee. ten days ago, they didn't even know they were coming to canada. now they're here obviously so we realize that they have a lot of years and a lot of hopes. >> most arrive in families. there are only a few single syrian men. just as in the u.s., the program has raised concerns about safety and terrorism. >> i got to ask you, they don't look dangerous to me. >> no, they're fantastic people. they've gone through hell. >> while in the united states, there's still deliberation over just how many or even if syrian refugees should be brought into
the country. by the end of february, canada will have reached its goal of bringing 25,000 syrian refugees on to its soil. confident that its screening process can tell the bad guys from the good. >> most canadians are not that worried about the security issue for these -- for the people we've selected. >> reporter: ian holloway, the dean of the university of calgary law school, also works with the canadian government reviewing its security intelligence operations. he says the refugees canada brings in are screened and quite frankly he sees them as no threat at all. >> we feel that we have been able to take reasonable measures to -- not guarantee, you can never guarantee these things, but to do everything to satisfy ourselves that the people we've taken in are not likely to be bad guys. >> to make sure canada follows the progress of its newly arrived immigrants for two years, all the children will go
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all right, my next guest says she is voting for hillary clinton because she is a woman. a bold statement after controversial comments in the wake of steinem and albright ignited the conversation just this week about which candidate better represents women. my next guest writes this, quote, i stuck with hillary for the simple reason she is a woman. i did it for my newly dead mother who would have loved to see the day when a woman become president. my mother who was 21 years old when roe v. wade passed and whose name gloria steinem was akin to beyonce now. writer for "the cut" which focuses on women issues. welcome. i wanted it -- better to come from you than me, if you don't
mind, just reading a piece of the article. >> i recognize something in hillary's eyes. there's something in her face sometimes, just a glimpse or whisper of a reaction. she's trained herself. she knows every blink will be scrutinized. in the reading, i carry the endless discussions of her appearance, her inability to laugh or remember a joke. speaking too loudly. even a bathroom trip during the debate that made headlines. watching the debate after my 2-year-old daughter went to sleep, i felt like i wanted to throw up too. i felt like for the first time -- i felt for the first time an incredible overwhelming empathy for this woman standing on stage, a career politician, one of the most powerful women in the world. i wanted to fold her into my arms and say i know. >> what do you know? >> you know, i know that she's probably worked harder than every, you know, white man that she's running against. i know that she's worked harder for pretty much every, you know, accomplishment in her life. sometimes i -- you know, i don't think that hillary clinton is a
person who really gets a lot of empathy. she doesn't really seem like the kind of person that you want to hug or hang out with, certainly i've never felt that for her. and in this last cycle of debates, i've sort of begun to feel a real empathy for her and for what we have in common as women, which is really what i think is the most important. that's the reason i'm voting for her. >> because you're a woman, she's a woman. you know where i have to go from here. >> yes. >> i'm going to quote you. you say, i get that a lot of people including many extremely intelligence women think this is a very dumb way to choose a candidate to support. dumb. >> yes. >> that is one way to put it. >> yes. >> tell me why it's not dumb. >> well, the first thing is that people always default you. so wouldn't you vote for carly fiorina? no, i wouldn't. i would vet for hillary clinton because she believes, you know, largely the same things i believe. so i think, you know, if you
equalize out two candidate, one's a man, one's a woman. i would choose the woman. i do think that that's not a stupid way to make a primary decision, you know, i wouldn't vote for sarah pailen. >> you do also make an interesting point on bernie sanders and how you say bernie sanders presence in this race has actually shaped hillary clinton, has made her better, has been better for her. why? >> i think that's true of a lot of primary debates and i think that's part of the primary process. and what makes it so useful. he's much farther left. hillary's much more of a career politician so she tends to be more middle, you know, the word socialist isn't just thrown around bernie, like it's a word he would use i think to describe himself. >> absolutely. >> and so not a word that hillary would want anywhere to
be near. >> what would you say to all these young women? i've interviewed a bunch of them who believe -- i think one woman told me earlier this week, they believe that hillary clinton shoots for the moon, bernie sanders shoots for the stars. from this young woman, university of new hampshire who wholeheartedly believes bernie's it. >> i think hillary can win a general election. i don't know that bernie can. i love him too. but i do think she is a better -- >> you're thinking big picture? laura june, come back. >> any time. >> thank you very much. just in, we have now learned all four remaining occupiers in that wildlife refuge in oregon surrendered. after weeks and weeks of a standoff. listen, this whole time, they've been armed, they refused to leave. many of them arrested during a chase. the standoff in oregon is now over. next, a secret movie about the life of mr. donald trump.
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you got to be kidding me. i donald j. trump am being sued for discriminating against minorities? >> it's all part of my liberal agenda. >> i love minorities, they're exotic, they're essentisensual. is it the jews? >> look at this. this says i had fun at josh lewinstein's bar mitzvah and i truly did. it was sensational. >> i think we're talking about the african-americans you won't rent to, donald, that is the problem. >> look, koch, new york should be a place for everyone, no matter their race, religion, creed, color, can be priced out of their own neighborhood. ♪ the art of the deal >> the music alone. the music alone. cnn's senior media correspondent host of "reliable sources" brian
stelter. when i saw this and they told me it was johnny depp and i'm looking. you got to be kidding me. >> it's amazing, the transformation. he did it in secret back in december. this was taped in early december. and then the producers asked everyone to keep it a secret until now. really, really smart timing. they're known for these really impressive parody videos with big actors. but this might be their best production yet. certainly trump fans probably aren't going to love it, but anybody that's a critic of trump, it really takes some of his own words and uses them against the trump character. >> this was a ron howard thing -- >> yes, it started with the editor and chief of funny or die. the famous hollywood director, he's one of the, you know, kind of leaders of funny or die. and then adam brought it to johnny depp and he was on board
right away. depp hasn't commented on why he decided to get involved with the project. maybe we can see why by watching it, the ability to transform yourself like that must be tempting for an actor and then to keep it a secret. some people have wondered is trump beyond parody, can you not make fun of him effectively. i think what they've tried to do here, by using his own words, "the art of the deal" as kind of the manuscript, into making it sort of an '80s feature, sort of jokey tv movie, it's kind of creating a new form of hollywood comedy. we know lots of people out in hollywood tend to be liberal, they tend not to be donald trump supporters. >> they are, no way? >> when i watched the movie, that came through loud and clear. >> you just have to know that going into it i think. >> it was oddly wonderful. if you take out the politics of it. >> that hour in your office -- >> not just johnny depp, who was it, andy ricket, henry winkler, the fonz, really impressive
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safe to say this is not the caribbean cruise dreams are made of. after harrowing days at sea, it is finally docked in new jersey. safe now after running into this fierce storm in the atlantic earlier this week with 6,000 people on board. these pictures obviously showing the weather whipping, the wind. look at these chairs. winds hitting 100 miles an hour,
30 foot waves slamming into the ship. sheryl howell was one of those passengers, she joins me now. she walked off that ship just after 9:00 last night. i'm glad you're okay. this was your first cruise. you were jazzed, ready to head to nassau, do a little shopping. >> yes, yes. >> and then what? >> all hell broke loose. the first day i got on the ship, since it was my first cruise, i wanted to get am la mated to the ship. i got into the room probably about 1:00. i said all i wanted was a single room, ocean view with a balcony. so then explored the ship. went for a massage the first day. then the second day, did a little shopping and then went to the musical "we will rock you." >> "we will rock you" is the musical you were watching when said hell began breaking loose. you got rocked. >> yes, exactly, exactly. >> what did it feel like? >> it was wild because, you
know, they had made an announcement earlier that there would be like rough seas and we were expectinging that but we were in the musical and they kept coming out saying we may have to end this. all a sudden, the production, all the things on stage started shifting, like, from the center, all the way to the right, and then they were, like, well, you need to leave, we're shutting down. >> did you understand at that moment what was happening? >> no, it wasn't processing. when we left -- because it didn't feel that rough but when we left out of there, you couldn't walk. it was like you were drunk. people holding on to each other. exactly. all i could hear was glass breaking. like glass shattering. it was all coming off the shelves because the music hall was there and then there were other places out in the open area that had glass tables and that's all you could hear. >> where did you go? >> first, i started heading up to my room and then i realized there were people who needed help. like this woman was try to help
her mother up and there was nobody to help us so, like, i stayed behind them just to make certain they got up to their floor. and then i said, all right, let me grab something to eat if we have to go to our room. so i went up to the 15th floor. the elevators opened and there were towels like everywhere in the hallway. i was like, oh, my god, water is coming on to the ship. so then i got back down to my room and i was lucky. some people were stuck in an elevator. and when i got into my room, i said, okay, if glass is break, let me start try to secure things. i was saying that i was channeling my father, saying, like, what would he tell me to do, so -- >> why your dad? he was a navy man? >> he was a navy man, he sailed. he lived on long island sound, obviously with my mother, they were married for 62 years. he would take his ship, he had a 50-foot yacht and he would go out sailing all the time so, you know, i was kind of used to hearing stories or being on the
boat when it was rough -- >> talking about your dad makes your teary. >> he died a couple of years ago. >> but you were thinking of him when you needed strength at the moment. >> my mom is always like, you do what you need to do. that's how i was brought up. that's what i did. that's what got me through the storm. >> i love that. >> yes, it was emotional. >> you taking the cruise again? >> i think i'll fly to florida and then take it from florida. >> cheryl howell, i'm so glad you're okay. >> thank you. >> thank you for sharing the story. appreciate it. >> thank you so much, thank you. >> all right. let's continue. all right, here we go, hour two, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. politics, politics. you will definitely want to be watching cnn right here, 9:00 eastern tonight. because hillary clinton will get her first face-to-face with bernie sanders after he beat her by a crushing 22 points in the
new hampshire primary earlier this week. we are simulcasting that democratic debate here on pbs. as clinton prepares to seize her chance to derail sanders momentum, she gets a critical endorsement from a key democratic group, that being the congressional black caucus pac. no doubt her campaign is looking toward february 27th democratic primary in south carolina where, at least as of monday, 27% of registered voters there. the lawmakers today who endorsed hillary clinton also definitely took some swipes at sanders without naming him by name, saying they need a president who does more than promise, quote, wonderful things. >> i can tell you, without a doubt, when i look at the issues that matter most to the african-american community, from health care to education, from crime and violence in our
communities, from foreign affairs issues that are so prevalent in our national security, there's only one candidate that stands shoulders above the others. her name is hillary rodham clinton. >> with me now, cnn political director chalian. we have senior washington correspondent jeff zelleny. jeff, let me begin with you. we talk about this massive endorsement. we have also talked in the last 24 hours about your reporting, hearing from the campaign they're going to be more aggressive. what does that really mean? how will it shake out tonight? >> well, brook, i think more aggressive is by necessity here. this is a new moment in this democratic race where after iowa, new hampshire and the clinton campaign has to shake things up a little bit. by more aggressive, that means they're going to draw more scrutiny on sanders, his record in the senate, in the house, his plans overall. also, tonight, i am told, she's
going to try to present herself as not part of the establishment. we could hear the words a little bit during her speech in new hampshire. she said, look, all this money in politics, all this campaign finance reform, that's because of me. citizens united was a supreme court decision because of me. a conservative group was attacking me. she's going to try to paint herself as not as month of a part of the establishment here. brooke, that is a big challenge with someone who's been in the public life as long as her. we saw the outlines of this again in new hampshire where she was trying to say, look, she would be the first woman president. that's not establishment. so she's going to continue that line of argument here. there's no doubt about it, senator sanders is coming in here with the wind at his back. that makes him a very vulnerable target for her. certainly a lot to prove to show up he can stand up to this moment as well, brooke. >> you eloquently lined this up. what jeff was saying, when you look at these two different candidates and hearing jeff
saying, you know, she'll be shaking things up starting with hillary clinton. i want you to analyze what she needs to do on that stage this evening. >> one thing she has to do is try to halt the sand eers momenm that exists right now after obviously a very big win in new hampshire. she has tried some of these lines before. i think there is going to be a new context for them after the new hampshire loss for her. she's going to paint herself, i am sure, as the more ardent supporter and true partner of barack obama. i have no doubt she's going to try to bring up bernie sanders guns record. again, she's looking for opportunities to remind the rejennerized and enthusiastic base of the democratic political party why she's one of them too and bernie sanders doesn't have a corner on that market, that's her critical goal. >> okay, what about bernie sanders? >> bernie sanders has to be careful not to be drawn into the battle that hillary clinton's
going to want to draw him into. he is going to have to -- it will be very interesting to watch what bait he takes and what he doesn't because what's working for him right now is his core message. if she starts sort of questioning, you know, as she's been doing, how are you going to implement that? i know how to pull the leaders in government to get a better deal for americans is sort of her argument. if he starts to try to go toe-to-toe with her on that instead of sticking to his core message of revolution, economic fairness what have you, you'll see that perhaps she's getting in his head a bit or perhaps being this new moment of having a huge victory is not something he knows what to do with. these are things i'm looking for tonight. if i would advise him, i would say stick to your plan. >> what about the bigger picture courting the very important african-american voting bloc. the cbc pac came out endorsing hillary clinton today. you had former congressman lewis
who, you know, was marching with dr. king, who was there all that time, and said this specifically about bernie sanders. >> well, to be very frank, i don't want to cut you off, but i never saw him, i never met him. i would chair the student and nonviolent coordinating committee for three years from 1963 to 1966. i was involved in the sit-ins. the freedom ride. the march on washington. the march from selma to montgomery and correct edirecte voter education project for six years. but i met hillary clinton. i met president clinton. >> he says he never saw bernie sanders. but he, you know, you heard what he just said at the end there. does she use that tonight? >> i don't know she has to use it. it's such a powerful moment for her without her touching it. sort of speaks for herself. that is, you know, john lewis is total stalwart of the civil
rights movement, he's got tons of credibility on this issue obviously, and if he is saying i never saw this guy, i never met bernie sanders, which isn't to say bernie sanders did not fight for civil rights in his own way at the university of chicago or at the march on washington, but if john lewis is sort of dissing sanders and saying, hey, let's be honest here, and by the way, i really did know the clintons, that is damning in and of itself. bernie sanders, african-american supporters of his own. but that is an ad right there in and of itself for hillary clinton. >> on the flip side, mr. chalian, for the rs, you have marco rubio on the trail, called out trump. i don't know if he's done that before. he's called out trump, jeb bush, cruz, all citing lack of foreign policy experience. here is marco rubio. >> -- job the president must keep america safe. and that means having a president that understands the threats that we face.
i say this to you now without a bit of hesitation. there is no one left in the republican field who has more experience or has proven to have better judgment on national security than i have. donald trump has zero foreign policy experience. negotiating a hotel deal in another country is not foreign policy experience. jeb bush has no foreign policy experience, period. ted cruz has a little bit of foreign policy experience. it's different than mine. >> what is this? is this a preview of the marco rubio reboot? >> it is indeed. he sort of telegraphed this yesterday when he was flying to new hampshire on the plane with reporters saying he was going to start to mix things up, about how he was dealing with his opponents. now we're seeing him calling them out by name, being sharp and clear in who he's talking about drawing the contrast. he is going to ride this for the next nine days as we head into south carolina.
there's a big veteran component in south carolina that votes in the republican primary and marco rubio is going to try to use his service on the intelligence affairs committee to give himself credibility as the national security opponent in the race. he's clearly not going to shy away from -- >> going to try, david chalian, thank you. tonight, cnn will be simulcasting the pbs news hour, democratic presidential debate, live from milwaukee, 9:00 p.m. eastern. you'll find it right here on cnn and your local pbs station. breaking news, stocks are getting battered right now. taking a live look at the board. down 307 points at the moment. with me now, cnn money digital correspondent paul la monico. why? >> oil, it's all about oil. it's been that way all year. oil prices have plunged over the past year. the losses have really ax accelerated this year.
that has everyone nervous about what it means for big energy stocks. been laying off a lot of people. now people are worried about the banks and the loans they may have to oil companies. european banks in particular have been really hit hard and now you're seeing banks like bank of america and city group also plunging. so it's a lot of fear that is reminding people of 2008. even though i still think that's a little overblown, those concerned. >> is this not what we want to see when we have money in the markets? >> no, it's always better when it's green instead of red. the key for any investor, not to panic. don't check your 401k every day. that's usually unhealthy. be diversified. if you have money just in stock, they're suffering this year. gold, which a lot of people make fun of, it's only for crazy people, if you have a little bit of gold, gold has been the best performing asset. so diversity is always the key in your portfolio. >> paul la monico, thank you. next, montel williams joining me live on why he is
endorsing one republican candidate because, as montel tells it, this guy is the only adult in the room. stand by for that conversation. also, ahead, a stunning bust behind bars. dozens of prison guards arrested, charged with dealing drugs for inmates among other things. and protesters say they will be lining up outside of the nfl headquarters in a couple of days to speak out against beyonce and her super bowl performance. offensive? overreaction much? we'll discussion.
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ohio governor john kasich doesn't take you know what from anyone or so he said today at a rally in carolina. after pulling off a strong second place in the new hampshire primary. look ahead to south carolina, that primary, nine days from now. general kasich has largely run a campaign that refuses to attack his rivals but he did kcome pretty close today in pauley's island in south carolina. >> somebody wants to poke at me, and they do, they're already
starting, that's okay. i'm not going to be a pin cushion though. i don't take crap from anybody. i mean, i'm worried about jeb. it's all negative. how the heck can you sell negative? you know, i want to talk about what i'm for. my vision, my view. my positive. if people don't like it, well, i was going to cry if i didn't get out of new hampshire but i got out so there ain't no crying no more, i made it, okay? >> my next guest is montel williams, back, huge kasich supporter. >> he said there ain't no crying anymore. monday afternoon, you should take some credit for this. our conversation led to the discussion -- >> you think our conversation -- >> we had a conversation and you were saying during that time. you were kind of, okay. >> we were in it. you were saying to me, he's the only adult on this playground full of kids as candidates, the mudslinging back and forth. what if he gets to the point
where, listen, you have to have backbone if you're running for president the united states. listen, the worse, the longer we go against meaner and meaner, what do you think when he gets on the offensive? >> since when did the united states and being a leader in a country mean that you only are a leader if you can show me you can put other people down? i think this is a man who is stepping up to the plate and saying different from the rest of you, i want to show america when it is all said and done, i have to represent 100% of america, not just 25%. let's remember this. you know, there's only 25% of america claims to be republicans. 25% claims to be democrats. the rest are independents. you know, when you listen to cruz, talks about all new yorkers. i'm a new yorker. i'm a republican. i could be valued to that party. but you're not going to exclude me. i caution people who say, you know, one particular group or another group is going to actually finish this deal. what happened with kasich in new
hampshire is everybody came together. people crossed lines and voted for him. this is going to happen again for south carolina. hold your horses when we get to ohio because if he gets to ohio, all bets are off. >> long game for him. i don't know how he's doing in south carolina but he's got huge momentum coming out of new hampshire. the other thing you predicted, maybe not correctly, you said donald trump is not going to win. >> i said that. he did win. maybe in his win, he got a loss. because the one he wasn't concerned about was kasich. and if you notice that his tenor has seemed to change because -- you're not going to be able to go beat up your uncle for five or six weeks in a row. because people are starting to consider kasich that guy. he's the guy who's talking a little sense. he's the guy in the back of the room on thanksgiving day going, guys, stop arguing. that's the guy. well, hey, can we get the rest of the world to do the same thing? >> right, right. we'll keep talking kasich and
keep a close eye. as for the dems, are you watching everything happening between hillary and bernie and the so-called generational divide and women and millenni millennials, what do you make of this? >> when did democrats have to kowtow to the republicans to lower the conversation? now hillary and bernie are playing in the sand box. stop. and during the debate, i wish they'd get back to the issues at hand and stop thinking that one person of any group represents the entire group. this whole idea that you've got one group of african-americans -- >> it's not monolithic? >> stop with this ridiculousness. we come in every shape, color, form. just like all the republicans come in every shape, color, form. remember, it's whose message is going to count, and i think the message, people need to look at me, i'm telling you, when it's all said and done in november, we have to come together as a country. we have real issues like a crumbling infrastructure,
crumbling bank structure, a crumbling place in the world when it comes to our military and we have people who want to send more of us off to die, and all of us will have to do that, not just one group. let's get the right group. >> i know you're passionate on social issues so this is a bit of a left turn. beyonce, listen, can i just say, i have watched her -- my whole team is sick of this, i have probably watched this video 23 times. i think you could teach a college course on just the themes and imagery in the video. the super bowl performance. the backup dancers sort of an ode to black panthers. it's the day her world tour tickets come out, a couple sides outside the nfl office, part of the group is what you're saying are you offended as an american that beyonce pulled a race baiting stunt at the super bowl, do you agree it was a slap in the face to law enforcement, what do you think? >> i'm going to tell you the truth. people will get mad at me. i didn't watch the national anthem because i hate watching it when i'm at my home -- >> you mean the halftime
performance -- >> i didn't watch lady gaga first, i had to leave. because i don't like standing up in my living room. halftime, i got on the phone. so i didn't see it. it took me two days to hear about the controversy. and i'm sorry, i still haven't watched it yet. now, why, because, really, we have to come down to this to figure out what to complain about? can we just stop the complaining for a second? are we going to complain about the dog that dressed up as the human being and say we just did animal abuse, having three dogs stacked up on each other, trying to sneak out of the store with some food? stop where everything has to be a fight. >> it's a political correctness thing? >> it's not, it's a political correctness thing now for you to say it was political correctness. >> so you have no issue with this? >> you know what, michael jackson ran around in something that looked like that also but it wasn't an ode to the black panthers and nobody complained. if that's her statement, she didn't stand there with a sign saying black panther support. if you want to read it and look
at it, read it and look at it. you know, beyonce's be, come on. you know. >> i know. i know. i'm a woman. i know. >> okay, yes, ma'am. >> montel williams, thank you, come back, thank you. this undercover fbi sting uncovers dozens of current and former prison guards allegedly taking bribes to deliver drugs but that is just the beginning of this story. we have those details for you next. also ahead, hours from tonight's debate in milwaukee. clinton accord to campaign aides will be more aggressive. sanders will be coming off a big win in new hampshire. a debate strategy session is ahead. you both have a
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right now in georgia, a major bust involving current and former correctional officers. cnn justice correspondent pamela brown has the scoop. also joining us, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin is with us. first to you, what's the story here? >> this undercover operation led by the fbi shows widespread corruption in the georgia state prison system. the fbi arrested 46 prison guards saying they using their credentials to help facilitate drug trafficking outside the prisons and, get this, five of the guards worked for an elite tactical unit that were in charge of weeding out drug
trafficking in prisons. here's what the u.s. attorney had to say. >> in a series of undercover operations, more than 45 corrections officers used their law enforcement status to protect reported deals in exchange for thousands of dollars in cash bribe payments. during the transactions, the corrections officers wore their georgia department of corrections uniforms and their badges. the point, the benefit of doing that is that their presence, would thwart other law enforcement to investigating those crimes. >> charged in this drug trafficking ring and some of the officers were accused of smuggling in contra band such as liquor and cell phones for the inmates to use. this only in georgia and makes you wonder where else this is
happen in the u.s. >> thank you, sunny hostin, i'm thinking what happened in new york and the hacksaw blade in the meat. and then you have this in georgia. how wide spread will this be? >> this is not the norm that you have this kind of conspiracy with correctional officers. this sort of corruption in the state police season nrison is n investigators. when i was a federal prosecutor, we did have a problem with cell phones -- >> how? >> being smuggled in and out of prison. what happens typically when you have that cell phone contra band problem, inmates inside of the prison continue to operate their criminal operatives inside of the prison and that is a significant problem. remember, years ago, charles manson somehow got his hands on a cell phone. so that's a significant problem. this, though, is really unusual in my opinion. you have, as pamela mentioned, the very tactical unit that was
assigned to root out corruption, to root out drug smuggling involved in actual drug smuggling. i can tell you in my experience, that is very unusual. and i really wonder how far up this goes, because what you want to do, here you have eight federal indictments coming out of the u.s. attorney's office. you want the biggest person. you want the big fish. i suspect what we'll see is the very beginning of this investigation and people will start pointing fingers. so how far up did this go is the very question i have. >> sunny hostin, thank you very much. pamela brown, of course, thank you as well. meantime, all eyes on milwaukee. the democrats facing off tonight for the first time since bernie sanders beat hillary clinton in that new hampshire primary earlier this week. my next guest says hillary needs to fire hillary. what does that mean? he'll explain that for us. also ahead is a brokered republican convention
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. high stakes for hillary clinton tonight. 9:00 p.m. eastern. she will be debating bernie sanders on pbs. you can watch it here on cnn. the democratic debate continuing at 9:00. it will be the first time the democrats go head to head after sanders pulverized clinton's
front-runner status in the new hampshire primary earlier this week. that loss has put clinton's campaign under a microscope of sorts with some criticizing that it is the big picture here that hillary clinton is missing. quoting one columnist, this is what he writes, quote, hillary, truth be told, just isn't a gifted politician. while sanders focus on the big themes that preoccupy voters, clinton's campaign feels like it's all about he her resume, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. let me bring in anita dunn, former white house communications director, former obama campaign advise, and jonathan allen, political columnist at roll call. so great to have both of you. thank you so much. jonathan, let me begin with your words, you know, you write in roll call, hillary should fire hillary. to me it echoes, you know, the tweet from david axelrod the other night that she and her husband are the worst problem, you know, struggling with developing basic campaign
messaging. how is that when they have been in the public eye for decades? can you answer that? >> first, that's part of the problem. they're running a campaign in a lot of ways in particular the messaging for an old democratic party for democratic party that is very much cleaved into various constituenconstituencie. women voters, african-american voters. and they talk to people like that. i think the younger generation is much more listening to a message like bernie sanders where he says he wants to bring everyone together under the sort of big themes he's talking about. look, the messaging problem for hillary clinton is one that starts at the top. the way we know this, david axelrod pointed out in a tweet, the 2008 cam pan suffered from the same message problem as the 2016 campaign does. >> anita, you know about the messaging. on the other side of the track, so to speak. jonathan points out, together you go to bernie sanders rally,
you watch this video they put out. the theme is together or believe. he says a lot of "wes" not a lot of is. >> both campaigns have huge jobs moving forward. and they're very different. for hillary clinton, it is taking her biography and making it a compelling reason to trust her when she says she's going to do these things that she has plans for and she's absolutely committed to doing. for bernie sanders, whose campaign has been primarily around a cause so far, it's actually filling in his biography for voters so it gives credibility to the idea he will do the things he says he will do. i think both campaigns, both candidates, as they go into tonight, have huge challenges. i think there's been a lot of attention to hillary clinton's challenges. i, as one who's been on the side of insurgent candidates in the
past, tells you bernie sanders has some big challenges too. >> what do you think his number one challenge is going into this debate tonight, anita? >> whereas i think vermont was a huge advantage for him and new hampshire, that his need to be able to message to a broader group of voters than northeastern democrats and iowa democrats is part of that challenge. but i also thing he's going to be challenged by hillary clinton and by more scrutiny from the press to really prove that he is serious and that he can get these things done. i think the people love his ideas and the next question is going to be how. i think his answer to how will be very important for him. >> what about hillary clinton, jonathan, you know, anita mentions her story, she has an compelling story. there's no lack there. we hear this word authenticity so much in politics. how does she relay that tonight?
we're also hearing from the campaign it will be more aggressive. it's like this teeter totter. it's like this delicate dance she has to do without, you know, alienating viewers and voters. >> if she says one thing on monday and says a different thing on wednesday or the thursday night debate, that becomes problematic in terms of the credibility factor. i think she has to be careful about how she moves her messaging. one of the things important to her going forward is how to win some of these millennial voters. how to appeal to them. that starts with being a little bit more natural up there. she's extremely good at debating. extremely well prepared. yet at the same time, that can come off as a little overprepared. she's got to talk about the future. she talks a lot about the resume. look, she did help expand the children's health insurance program. when she talks about trying to expand the insurance to people, there is a record of that. but i think what she's going to get more to is that 30,000 foot
view of where she wants to take the country and let those details of her background fill in. like bernie sander, knowing that your background and resume is stronger than his is. >> i just got an interesting piece of news in my ear. this is from reporting from our political correspondent that apparently now anita i'm going to throw it to you, that harry reid has officially come forward and said in this democratic race it truly could go to a contested convention. is that possible? >> well, of course it's possible, especially in the democratic primary. we have proportional delegate selection in all our caucuses and primaries and so it could go that way. don't forget there's a huge chunk of delegates who are superdelegates, who aren't elect, and they can always make a significant difference as well. here's the thing, these are
contests, they are not corenations. i think people were unrealistic in thinking this was going to be over in one or two contests. there's a significant contest in the democratic body. both candidates share a great deal in terms of values and where they want this country to go. the contest is between who's the better of them to get it there. compared to what's going on in the republican party, the democratic process is actually a healthy one. i also think, you know, people always talk about brokered conventions or going all the way to the convention. it's hair that happrare that ha >> i agree with you, definitely talk, but at the same time, jonathan, finally to you, the fact we are truly talking about the potential for that on both sides, this election year, i don't mow if it says more about the candidates or about the american, you know, voting populous and how we feel about politics, what do you think? >> think it says a lot about the
american voter now, they're dissatisfied with both sides with what's going on in washington. republican voters absolutely want to see a smaller government. they want to get rid of the establishment they think is propping up more taxes, more spending. there seems to be a feeling the establishment is getting under way of the larger government, greater equality in terms of income and wealth. there's a lot of similar feelings out there in the country about wanting to get rid of the establishment but very different views on what the ends are. >> not a dull moment for months to come. jonathan allen and anita dunn, i really appreciate both of you. >> thank you for having us. >> definitely, thank you. watch tonight because cnn will be simulcasting the cbs news hour democratic presidential debate live from milwaukee, 9:00 p.m. eastern. you cab watch it here on cnn or you can also find it on your local pbs station. speaking of contested or brokered conventions, one former
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we just reported that senator minority leader harry reid says it is absolutely possible that the democrats will have a contested convention. my next guest says on the flip side for republicans, a brokered convention is inevitable. he says he has done the math, he has crunched the numbers and no one can break away. he is michael leavitt, a type advisor to mitt romney's 2012 campaign, a former governor there in utah. sir, i hear it's your birthday as well, so happy birthday first and foremost. >> thank you, brooke. >> before we discuss this battle ahead, i know you've been crunching numbers on these
all-important delegates. from what i've read you say you don't think the path to a majority is in the bag for donald trump. tell me why. >> well, first, i don't think it's inevitable, but i think it is highly probable that, well, the circumstances are just such that it's going to be very difficult for any candidate to get 1237 delegates given the way things lay out. in 2012 you'll remember that governor romney was until actually april before he was able to get the certainty of being the presumed nominee. that was because there were candidates who were able to stay in the race a long time, primarily because of super pac money. and we have a situation here where you have as many as four or five candidates who have the viable -- have the likelihood of being viable all the way to the end. >> do you think that there is any sort of clear path forward for any of these among, let's
say, the number twos, the kasich, bush, rubio, cruz? >> well, let me say that for any candidate, whether it's donald trump or another candidate, between now and the end, they have to get on average somewhere between 41% and 45% of the popular vote. no candidate, including trump, has been able to demonstrate that kind of strength. in other races, people achieve that by a combination of their own momentum and suffocate get other candidates from their ability to be viable. and it's unlikely in my view that that will occur. by the way, i might add, as you crunch the numbers what becomes evident is that a candidate also has to win every winner-take-all state. so ask the question, can donald trump win at least 41% and win all of the winner-take-all states. and that's the basis of a bit of skepticism on my part. >> just talking to my last two
guests in the newsroom, harry reid on the potential for a brokered convention for the dems and anita was saying, this is what everyone talks about every election cycle, the threat, the possibility of a brokered convention, how real do you think it is for republican, truly truly. >> well, look, it would clearly be unprecedented in the modern era, but i would argue that there are a couple of factors that have not existed. the super pac and the ability for a candidate to last a long time or live off the land, that's one. >> the citizens united decision, yes. >> the second is the number of candidates. and if you're a candidate in this race and you see that staying in the race could keep you alive in the convention where anything could happen, you're not going to be as likely to jump out of the race, you're going to continue. and i think economic supporters will see that as well. so these are just circumstances, we don't know what's going to occur, but they're very unique
circumstances and i think they add up. you have to also, i think, add into this equation the fact that trump polarizes within the party. that there are people who simply don't want him to be the nominee. there could be those who would continue to see this as an opportunity to stop him as well as to those who will want to support him. so very unique situation. very possible in my mind that we could see a candidate not have the delegate votes necessary to get a first ballot nomination. >> such an important crucial piece of the nomination, the delegate count. michael leavitt, governor, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. straight ahead, the end is in sight. astronaut scott kelly approaching the completion of his year in space. he tells sanjay gupta about his adventure far above earth. lobs? you get hungry. and you count the seconds until red lobster's lobsterfest is
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captain's log day 321 in space and not the fictional captain kirk of star trek fame. no, no, we're talking about real life. nasa astronaut captain scott kelly is closing in on his one full year in space, all of it spent right there at the iss, the international space station. cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, talked to him just a short time ago and asked him how's it going. >> a year now seems longer than i thought it would be. so i definitely have an appreciation for, you know, certain things that freedom and, you know, being on earth provide, but certainly, you know, being confined for this period of time is not something that i think people would -- it's different when you're in space and doing something that you think is important, but i definitely think i would, you know, kind of relish my freedom
more after this experience maybe than i did before. >> too cool. sanjay gupta joins me now. i saw him the other day -- >> it is too cool. >> part of the football, the super bowl pregame show and he was tossing the football, you know, toward the camera. i mean it's awesome just what he's done. i can't believe it's almost been a year. what else did you talk about? >> we talked about so many things and it is so cool. it was interesting, he was giving a response -- we started talking about gravitational waves. you heard about this news today, brooke. nobody knows what it means. he would know what it means, right, because he's a guy that actually studies these theories. that was a theory, one of einstein's theories and we talked about space time continuum, because as you know he's aging a little more slowly as he's orbiting the earth as compared to his twin brother, mark, who is here on the surface of thee of the earth. that's what this twin study is
about, looking at how his body changes. we talked about mars. it would take about nine months or longer to get to mars. he's been up there 11 months. so if he was going to mars, he would be just starting a mission rather than ending a mission. we talked a lot about his life. i asked him to imagine looking at the earth, that spectacular view that he has and imagine the earth as a human body and how did it look, did it look healthy or did it look sick? >> when you look at the atmosphere, i wouldn't say it looks -- the thin veil of the atmosphere on earth i wouldn't say that it looks unhealthy, but it definitely looks very, very fra fragile. just kind of like this thin film. so it looks like something we definite lly need to take care . >> i just think that's very interesting. no one has that vantage point, brooke. i'm going to talk to him again in three days and again when he gets back to earth. it's just a fascinating story.
>> i love that you have the iss on the speed dial. of course you do. please wish him well from all of us here on earth. we'll talk again i'm sure. thank you all for watching. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead with jake tapper" starts right now. thanks, brooke. countdown to a critical democratic debate right here on cnn. "the lead" starts right now. hillary clinton and bernie sanders set to battle tonight live on cnn. i stress the word "battle." details of clinton's new plan to get aggressive after that 22-point shellacking in the granite state. the race on the republican side set to put the hospital in southern hospitality. candidates bracing for low blows as they all fight to stop trump. plus he was once one of kim jong-un's closest advisers but now he's disappeared. north korea