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thanks so much for joining us. set your dvr to record "outfront" so you can watch us at any time. and don't forget to catch the pbs "newshour" debate at 9:00 eastern time right here. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. an hour from now, bernie sanders and hillary clinton will step on to that stage down there in milwaukee for what is being seen as the first debate of a brand-new primary campaign. for him, the opportunity to show his victory in new hampshire was no fluke in geography or demographics. for her a chance to show it wasn't fatal. and that comes with a complicated, volatile world, tonight's debate will be a chance for voters to see how each candidate sees that world and would deal with it as president. we saw wall street tumble, oil prices tank, new warnings on isis and more.
a former secretary of state who says she's been tested under fire will square off against the senator who says she's made the right decisions on war and peace and the economy. more from jeff zeleny who joins us in milwaukee. the race for the democratic nomination closer than any other candidate expects. how do you think that's going to play out tonight in the debate? >> no doubt, anderson. a few new issues but this is a brand-new moment. and that's a chance for bernie sanders' advisers to open himself up and introduce himself and make the possibility of resonating with voters who may not have taken him seriously up until this point. that win in new hampshire reset that democratic race. tonight we're going to see the clinton campaign, hillary clinton try and tie herself closely to president obama. tonight in particular. as this race begins to spread out to nevada, south carolina, a diverse electorate, she's going to say she is the true keeper of his flame, the true keeper of
his legacy. b bernie sanders has so far been aligned with the core part of the party on issues. the party, a lot of the party is agreeing with him. >> it's been a huge fund-raising week for the sanders campaign in the wake of new hampshire. how worried is the clinton campaign? >> they are worried about keeping pace. they are seldom at a financial disadvantage and believe they will be now heading into the end of this month and all those contests in march when this campaign heads into overdrive. you can tell how worried they are. the clinton campaign manager sent out a fund-raising appeal telling people how much bernie sanders is raising. $6 million. we need to do more. this is what's the campaign manager says. we cannot allow our team to be outraised and outspent. our team is more diverse and energetic. it's time for us to show it. it's a call to arms to all of their fund-raisers. it's one thing having a rival. it's a difference thing having a
rival who can outspend you. that's the situation the clinton campaign is in tonight. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. now the men and women that will be helping me but only if i can make it through the introduction. david gergen, michael smirkanesh, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger, john king, host of "inside politics." cnn is part of your drinking game, please reconsider and drink responsibly. also with us, cnn political commentator paul begala, ana navarro and donna brazile. and paul advises a pro-clinton superpac. let's start with all our reporters and analysts on the right-hand side. in terms of tonight, how important is this for hillary clinton to kind of change the message from new hampshire? >> it's a couple of things. psychologically she wants voters
out there to see an optimistic candidate, not someone beaten. she just got trounced. you want to look like you're optimistic. the question for me is, does she continue to press the argument she's been making on the campaign trail which has not been working. that i'm pragmatic and that he's trying to sell you something he can't pay for. that i'm electable. electability versus authentisity. >> and electability rated pretty low in the exit polls. >> bernie sanders can't win. this idea you have to raise your taxes and couldn't get congress to go along and pay for it. the base of the democratic party is more locked into sanders. we get latino voters, african-american voters. this is this pivot, this hard moment for her comes at the right time in the calendar. can she take advantage of it? >> i think she's going to hug barack obama as tight as she can and she's going to ask bernie sanders, where were you? where were you when i was doing all of these things, when i was
marching? we heard that from congressman lewis today when the political arm of the congressional black caucus endorsed hillary clinton. she'll talk about her accomplishments and her long record, and then i also think she's going to go after bernie sanders on the commander in chief issue. she's going to say i was secretary of state. i'm ready to be commander in chief, and you're not. and i'm very interested to see how bernie sanders plays on that terrain of foreign policy. >> we know from past experience what's bernie sanders has said always to that is, there's experience and there's judgment. and when it came to the war in iraq, i had the right judgment. >> i think she has problems with trust and honesty. i keep looking and thinking about those exit survey numbers that we had the other night from new hampshire. she's got to deal with that. and we're having this conversation and this debate is going to take place on an evening where he learn the clinton foundation received a subpoena from investigators of the state department. he probably won't go there.
thus far it's worked well for him not to go there. you have to think he's re-evaluating that strategy and wondering if he can further exacerbate it. she has to deal with that tonight. >> he doesn't need to go there because probably the moderators will bring that up. >> exactly. >> and that does his work for him. >> punt when they do. >> a lot of people saying she ought to attack tonight and tear down bernie sanders. i think that's the wrong advice. she needs to build herself up. she needs to inspire people the way she hasn't yet, especially millennials. that's an important part of the coalition barack obama put together. if they start to float away from her and don't show up in the general, that's a problematic situation for her. so it seems she -- what i'm looking for is how she recasts the argument. paul begala spent a lot of time with these kinds of questions. how do you reach people in a different way than how you've reached them before? >> let's turn to paul. >> i think exactly right.
hillary's challenge is she's got a narrow her message. she's great at debates in part because if there's part of her that's like 20 questions. ask her about campaign finance reform. she has a good plan. ask her about syria. ask her about pollution in flint. she has a good plan. what's the overarching message? bernie has a great overarching message. but he's got to broaden it. if i were advising him, and i'm not. i'm not allowed to talk to her or her campaign. i've been playing this in my head where at some point she says i'm tough on wall street and my plan was supported by klugman. billionaires didn't kill trafon martin. the big corporations aren't what's disenfranchising. >> are you hoping someone from the campaign is listening to you? >> she watches. she's a huge anderson cooper fan. >> right before the debate. >> i would tell both candidates, don't focus on the audience or
national audience. or the audience in the hall. focus to those in south carolina. they're eager to hear what's these two candidates have to offer. and for hillary clinton, clearly she wants to galvanize the people, whether it's minorities, union members, latinos. she understands that this race is different now. not only because we're out of new hampshire and the diversity, but also because many of these voters have not had an opportunity like in some of the other states to touch and feel the candidates. tonight treat it like the first opportunity. go out there and make your pitch to those voters. >> hillary clinton is a known commodity. she's been certainly around, which, obviously, you can say is great for her. she has experience. but in terms of trying to reintroduce yourself, haven't we heard that before? >> yeah, very hard to rebrand and reinvent yourself at this point if you are hillary clinton who has been on the national stage for decades and decades.
the clinton family has campaigned in primaries in new hampshire four times and she just got trounced. it's not for lack of not knowing hillary clinton. it's for lack of not trust, not liking, not wanting to support her. i think at this point she, frankly, we know she knows stuff. at this point we want to know her. she needs to come across as authentic. show some emotion. don't be such a cardboard cutout. we remember when she won in new hampshire in 2008, look what she did show emotion. show authenticity. we know she's an experienced person. we know her resume. peep want to see her heart now. and i also think she needs to be very careful, very subtle on the gender issue. i suspect she's going to get asked the question because of the remarks madeleine albright and gloria steinem made regarding women. she's got to hit that one out of the ballpark because it is an important issue for millennials, for younger women who just feel those two ladies sounded like
dinosaurs. >> you are a sanders supporter. >> if i were giving bernie any advice, i don't talk to the campaign. i would tell bernie, smile. i think bernie's got to lighten up and just show a little human side. haven't seen that much. >> on "saturday night live" he was great. >> we haven't seen that in these settings, i don't think. and bernie, people ask me what is bernie going to say that's new tonight? bernie is not going to say anything new. he's been saying the same thing for 40 years. that's his message. and i think he sees it as the first opportunity to pick up on donna's point for the people of south carolina and the people of nevada to hear that economic populous message, the criminal justice reform, the sentencing reform for the first time. see how it applies to them. >> certainly going to be appealing to african-americans to latinos as much as he can to the point of not speaking just to the people in the room. >> of course he has to appeal to them. that's the simple arithmetic of
trying to get delegates and the support. but i would hope tonight that the moderator, we have two female moderators. no offense to all of you other great people over there. but i -- >> by that you mean men? >> yes. but i would hope we go beyond criminal justice reform and reaching minority voters. that's an important issue like immigration is important. but there's education, there's, of course, housing. there's jobs. job creation. so i would hope the candidates go beyond what i call the cookie culter c cutter campaigns they've run and -- >> donna and i are like the resident spice girls. >> i'm tabasco. >> you're chocolate, i'm caramel. there's a big difference -- >> vanilla. >> yeah, you are vanilla. >> a big difference between appealing and pandering. you have to be careful not to cross the line. >> i want to ask a question
since you're so good at this. how would you have hillary clinton answer the question about the wall street speeches? the $600,000 in wall street speeches? >> it's caused her enormous grief. >> we have to take a break. but wait for that because i want to hear that as well. and also money problems. how serious they are for the clinton campaign. we'll talk with all of you throughout the evening, including after tonight's pbs debate from milwaukee which we're simulcasting right after this broadcast at 9:00 eastern. then a late live extended version of "ac 360." republican ted cruz, donald trump both holding live events right now. it's turning into a real slugfest and more battling for african-american voters. and one is questioning senator sanders' role in the cause.
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the democratic debate begins at the top of the hour. high stakes, high drama. words that could describe the republican campaign right now. a busy day capping off at a trump rally in baton rouge, louisiana, and a cruz event in ft. mills, south carolina. we learned former president george w. bush will make his first campaign appearance stumping for his brother jeb at a rally on monday. ted cruz is launching a new ad
attacking donald trump accusing him of a pattern of sleaze stretching back decades. sara murray is at the trump event in baton rouge. the primary is only nine days away. why is trump in louisiana? >> louisiana votes march 5th. you'd think he'd be like every other candidate doubling down on south carolina. that is not how the trump campaign does things. they stick with this fly around strategy. they are hitting states that don't until further down the map and wait until the last couple of days to hone in on the state. they did it in iowa and new hampshire. this is a sign of how confident they feel in south carolina where trump has events like the one tonight, he draws thousands. and that's still way ahead of his rivals. >> trump pulled a negative ad about cruz and replaced it with a more hopeful one about himself. is that a lesson they think they learned in new hampshire?
>> it is absolutely. in the end in new hampshire, we didn't get quite as tough of a donald trump. he wasn't so forceful. attack hoss rival candidates. they felt that gave them this added boost. he says he's going to keep that up. they pulled a negative ad against ted cruz. they are running a positive ad but it's an interesting shift because if you look at south carolina, this is a state that likes rough and tumble politics and a candidate to be able to throw a punch and take one back. it's a big state that is really in favor of big rallies and candidates flying around. this old trump politics will be interesting to see if he does stick with his positive message or reverts back to the candidate who wants to mix it up with other candidates. >> ted cruz has a rally on tap in south carolina. a fair size crowd of supporters waiting for him. earlier in rock hill which is
just down the road from charlotte, north carolina. sunlen serfaty is there and joins us now. how has he been selling himself to south carolina voters? >> the big prize here in south carolina is really the evangelical voters. the pitch we're seeing from ted cruz largely mirrors the pitch we saw him make to evangelicals in iowa. heavy on emphasizing his religion. heavy on emphasizing his good conservative credentials. pitching himself as the conservative candidate on fiscal issues. on social issues. on national security. and really using that to draw contrast with his rivals. he has called his rivals out here on the campaign trail. campaign conservatives, the allegation being that they are phony conservatives that are only casting themselves as conservatives to win this race. >> is that what he was using against marco rubio? i understand he went on the offensive against rubio today. >> he did. this was significant. as we've talked about before,
recently the cruz cam pawn are trying to frame this as a campaign between ted cruz and trump. going after rubio it shows they still see rubio as a threat. they released a new ad. a little tongue and cheek entitled conservatives anonymous featuring something of self-help therapy group. someone was wearing a marco rubio t-shurt. they talk about how they've been lied to by republicans in the past just to get to washington and make deals with democrats. one woman in the ad says we should make sure not to vote for just a pretty face next time. that was a big hit on rubio. also the cruz campaign unleashing another negative ad tomorrow. they are set to debut that in south carolina. it will be going after donald trump. they say that trump uses power for personal gain and point blank asks south carolina voters to imagine the damage that trump could do as president. south carolina is known for rough politics at this point in the race.
the cruz campaign not letting anything up for grabs on the air waves. they're bringing those tough ads. >> sunlen, thanks. the democrats take the stage shortly in milwaukee. their first debate since new hampshire. we'll bring it to you live at the top of the hour and complete analysis afterwards. black women in the state overwhelmingly chose barack obama in the 2008 primary. can bernie sanders get the same support? we'll go to charleston to hear what voters there are thinking.
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welcome back. the candidates look ahead to south carolina, the african-american vote will factor heavily in their campaign. that would be the debate stage, about 35 minutes away. we'll be broadcasting it live here, simulcasting it. in 2008, african-americans made up just over half of the democratic primary electorate. also that year african-american women made up 35% of democratic primary voters. among them, 78% went for candidate obama. 20% for hillary clinton. now there were issues of race and gender in that choice.
how is breaking down this time around between hillary clinton and bernie sanders? randi kaye went to find out. >> reporter: at this beauty salon in charleston, south carolina, not even the hair dryer can drown out this political debate. >> she has all these big businesses in her back pocket. >> hillary the only one that's got -- >> all but one of these women voted for then senator barack obama over hillary clinton back in 2008. >> i'll take black over a woman any day. i mean, i am black. that's what's it is. >> in that race, many african-american women struggled between voting their race or voting their gender. >> wow, we have an opportunity to possibly have in the history of my lifetime the first female president. so that -- >> and you went for obama. >> then i went for obama. >> reporter: eight years later, will african-american women now support hillary clinton?
this woman says absolutely. >> are you truly supporting hillary clinton or is it by default because obama isn't in the race? >> oh, no, no, no. obama is my guy. i love you, obama, you know i do, but my girl hillary, even if obama was running this time, hillary would have my vote. >> reporter: she likes clinton's views on prison reforms. >> she'll be able to meet us where we are wither mother instinct. our concerns about our children. particularly black mothers with black sons. >> reporter: this voter is also choosing clinton this time around. >> she has a proven track record. she's experienced. not only experience but she's a woman. and i would love to see her as our first woman president. >> reporter: not everyone is in clinton's camp, though. >> i'll say hillary got everybody's vote in here, right? >> i'm going to be right behind
you. >> i don't identify with her. it's hard for me to give her my vote. >> reporter: tiffany is voting sanders. >> he's been able to capture a lot of the young vote because he is offering that same type of hope to younger voters, millennials. he's preaching about topics that we're really concerned about. >> reporter: we showed this new hillary clinton ad aimed at african-american voters to our group and got mixed opinions. >> when african-americans are more likely to be arrested by police and sentenced to longer prison terms. >> that connects with me and should connect with all black mothers. >> i agree. i agree. >> the same thing that whites do. >> of course she's going to say that now. it's time to say it. where has it been? what are you going to really do? i'd have to see some substance. >> she's always been saying that. and she was doing something about it. she was working with the pipeline to prison. i mean, i'm going to help you do
your homework sister girl because my girl been doing her thing. >> well, i'm good. >> reporter: the debate continues. randi kaye, cnn, charleston, south carolina. >> it's about to start. today the political arm of the congressional black caucus endorsed hillary clinton. civil rights leader and georgia congressman lewis says he doesn't remember bernie sanders involved in the coordinating committee. >> to be frank, i don't want to cut you off but i never saw him, i never met him. i would chair the student nonviolent coordinating community for three years from 1963 to 1966. was involved in sit-ins, the freedom ride, the march on washington, the march on selma to montgomery and directed a voter education project for six years. i met hillary clinton. i met president clinton.
>> joining me now former obama administration official van jones, cnn political commentator, charles blow, an appeal for people to stop bernie 'splaining to black voters and donna brazile. van, what do you make of congressman lewis saying he never saw bernie sanders, never met bernie sanders during the civil rights matter. how much should that matter? how relevant is it? >> i was talking to keith ellison, an african-american civil rights leader and congressman who has a photograph of them together. he's going to put it out online later tonight. obviously, john lewis is a legend. the reality is he was with -- c.o.r.e. is the group that he was part of. and there were not that many, unfortunately, white men who were taking on those issues at that time. you have two legends, two icons. i don't think we should get into
that. what i am very excited about is that no matter who wins between bernie and hillary, african-americans are winning this week as our issues become something that both sides now are fighting to articulate. for too long democrats ran away from black issues. now both of them are running toward black issues. that's a positive for both of them. >> donna, what do you make of this, and charles as well. bernie sanders supporters say at 20 years old he was arrested for leading efforts to desegregate housing. student housing at the university of chicago. >> anderson, i worked on the jackson campaign in 1984, and back then, charles, you probably recall because it was a generational fight. you had to quote/unquote, the icons of the civil rights movement supporting walter mondale because they had deep ties. you had reverend jackson with all this energy and excitement and hope and enthusiasm out there generating a whole new
grassroots of black leaders and activists to get on board for voter registration and to change the democratic party, which we did. this is a great fight. if you are going to be in some street fights, why not over people who love you. they both want to help -- >> sanders endorsed jesse jackson. >> in '88. this was '84. a whole other conversation. by then i started working for white male candidates. a whole other discussion. here i am watching two great candidates. hillary clinton has deep ties, emotional ties, within the black community. and bernie sanders also has ties. they may not be emotionally deep and strong as hillary clinton, but they are still very legitimate ties to the black community. this is a great fight. >> charles, just as we heard from congressman lewis, there was a writer michelle alexander who just wrote this piece, why hillary clinton doesn't deserve the black vote. she's saying that president
clinton did more harm to black means ultimately than reagan did by signing a $30 billion crime bill which had huge repercussions for black populations. >> i like michelle. she's a friend of mine. michelle is right on this point that 94 crime bill was an absolute disaster for the black community and president clinton did sign it. but there are no clean hands on that 1994 crime bill. biden helped to write it. hillary clinton cated for it and bernie sanders voted for it. it goes further than the field now. if you ask your congressional black caucus members then, many of them voted for it as well. in fact, democrats snuck in a provision at the last minute on that bill that turned republicans off. so the majority of the vote on that bill were democratic votes. in addition to that, black preachers ads vocated for that
bill. black mayors advocated for that bill. when gallup conducted a poll in 1994 about that bill, the support for it among democrats outnumbered support for it among republicans, 2-1. 60 to 31. and that's not politicians. that's the voters. that is us. so i think when we start talking about the context around the 1994 crime bill, you have to look at the entire community, entire country and entire democratic party and see what you all did to the black community. they set out to damage the black community? some might have had the forethought to say this might have been damaging. some of the provisions are obviously damaging. but you must say that we all made a horrible mistake. >> that's not true. van, that's not true. that's not true. and that's part of why i think it's important to have this. there were a large number of urban activists, including myself at that time michelle alexander had just gotten out of
stanford law school who were saying, this was a bad idea. and there was a split. you are correct, sirks the congressional black caucus was saying yes. but you had a big fight back in the black community saying please don't do this. and also as much as i love bill clinton, i love the big dog. when he talks, i love to listen to him. let's not forget. he placed some of these politics around dusitancing himself from black leadership the whole third way. they are saying i'm not jesse jackson, i'll be tough on black criminals. all this has to come back and start working through it. just like bernie has to deal with his nra votes. we have to deal with these crime bill votes. >> no part of what you said means that's what i said wasn't true and it's important to understand that this is what happens in america when america panics. they were panicking about crime, drug wars, panicking about gang violence and america panicked. this is how we got the iraq war
is america panicked. >> i want to ask you about -- you talk about bernie 'splaining. >> i think bernie is the best advocate for bernie sanders. he is clear, sincere, compassionate. he makes a lot of sense. i think a lot of the people who support him cannot quite understand why other groups do not support him. and that lack of understanding can sometimes lead to frustration and it leads to a condesension about why you may not be able to support the candidate who i see as better. and that, i think, it really turns a lot of black voters off. it turns a lot of women off. a lot of -- >> can i -- charles? we have to leave it there. we're just up against this deadline for the debate. van, thank you, charles, donna brazile. how the sanders campaign
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in about 20 minutes, hillary clinton and bernie sanders will take the stage in milwaukee. the pbs "newshour" debate starts at the top of the hour after" 360." tonight's face-off comes on the heels of senator sanders' 22-point win in new hampshire. a drubbing that's raised the stakes for hillary clinton. she's kept a low profile, presumably regrouping. the battlefields are about to get more diverse. today clinton got an endorsement from the congressional black caucus pac. joining me is bernie sanders campaign manager. i want to get your reaction to one of the big headlines today. we just played the sound bite from john lewis, a civil rights icon who questioned the extent of senator sanders involvement. we talked about this with senator sanders.
he was arrested at age 20 in the forefront of trying to desegregate school housing at the university of chicago. how do you respond to what lewis said? >> well, congressman sanders was clearly active in the civil rights movement. he was arrested in chicago in an attempt to desegregate schools there. on the march in washington. but his activity was in the north clearly so it's not surprising in a movement with hundreds of thousands, millions of people involved that two individuals did not meet one another. >> what do you expect to happen at tonight's debate? it was increasingly tense between sanders and clinton. there's obviously tension between the campaigns. stakes are getting higher by the day. secretary clinton took a drubbing in new hampshire. how do you expect things to play out tonight? >> i think senator sanders is going to keep doing what he has to do. obviously the voters in new
hampshire responded as did the voters in iowa. we have a rigged economy held up by a corrupt system of campaign finance. that has to change. >> we'll not see a new bernie sanders on the stage tonight. bill press was saying senator sanders has been saying the same stuff for 40-plus years. we're going to hear that tonight, you think? >> senator sanders has consistently stood up against injustice, whether it's economic or racial injustice and other kinds of injustice his entire political career. he's not going to stop talking about these issues, no. that's exactly what he wants to talk about and what the american people want to talk about. >> it's a busy night ahead. jeff weaver, thanks for joining us. we asked the clinton campaign to come on the program tonight. we wanted to talk to them. we're sorry to say they declined our invitation. back with the panel, just 15 minutes from the debate. i want to ask what the candidates need to do tonight. let's start wither reporters and analysts. david gergen, what's do you think they need to do?
>> bernie sanders must reintroduce himself to a lot of people. after his convincing win, people think, maybe this can catch fire. they'll be listening to him and taking it more seriously. she needs to refresh her message and be more inspirational. to go to paul begala's point. it needs to van arc, a theme about the future. >> do you agree with van jones who made the point when she talks it's i, i, i, not so much about we which he believes, senator sanders talks more about we as a movement? >> i haven't noticed that that much. i have a question about whether it's smart. i think she is the embodiment of the establishment and an anti-establishment electorate. is she smart? she's got to somehow -- i think she's got to become herself. i wonder whether she should wrap herself in barack obama as tightly as she is. she's part of today's establishment. how does she break loose from that. >> she's got to become herself. at the town hall we did last week, it almost seemss to all
blend together, one thing she said which was poignant was this doesn't really come naturally to me. it comes naturally for -- that was the general tone of what she was saying. can she sort of get in touch with who she actually is and project that in an event like this? >> i thought that was a powerful movement for her and self deprecation works in settings like this. to david's point, i don't know what this campaign represents. any fair person would have to respect the resume that she's assembled over many years. bernie owns the focal point of where he's going and she needs to take a page out of his book on that score tonight. with regard to sanders, if i were a sanders advocate i'd hold my breath every time he's asked a foreign policy answer and needs to give americans a better level of comfort. there's a syrian cessation of
violence that's being negotiated as we speak. how does he handle issues like that? he needs to do a better job. >> here's bernie sanders' challenge to me going into south carolina. you can't call for a revolution if you support the guy who is now in charge, okay? yet in south carolina, barack obama is incredibly popular with the democratic electorate there. so he's got to navigate a very fine line here between sort of not discounting president obama totally but saying, look. i need to change from what he's done because he hasn't succeeded and make that play well there. and that's tough. >> i think a lot of people, we've been following this for months and talk about it almost every day. a lot of people are just tuning in. for them, bernie sanders just did something in new hampshire. if they thought he was a message candidate, his message is to convince people he's ready to be president of the united states because he's getting a second look like whites, blacks,
latinos, even republicans that would never vote for him are now looking at him like, whoa, he could be somebody. i spent my life covering the clintons. just take out and attack the opposition. she can't do that. i remember the days back in 1991 in the back of the bill clinton plane, she's very conversationalist. she can be very funny. has a midwestern sense of humor. that has disappeared. if she can somehow find that she can make the connection that's been missing. we're going to take a quick break and talk to our political contributors to get their analysis of what needs to happen tonight for both sides and move to the other side of the room. right after this. ♪ can't afford to let heartburn get in the way? try nexium 24hr, now the #1 selling brand for frequent heartburn. get complete protection with the new leader in frequent heartburn. that's nexium level protection.
we are moments away from the start of the democratic debate which will air on cnn, simulcast at the top of the hour. back with the panel for some final thoughts. let's hear from our political contributors. paul, what's do you expect to see? what do you want to see as a hillary clinton supporter? >> from both, as a democrat, i want to see hillary still trying to get young people's votes. she got beat 83 to 16 in new hampshire. she's got to do better with young people. a key is talking more about reform. she did that in election night in new hampshire. bernie has to do better with
people of color. he's been terrible there. he's got to get into it with communities of color. and in south carolina where the majority of the candidates are likely to be minority. >> first of all, i have to -- so much good stuff that's been says. this is so important for both of these candidates. as you said at the top of the hour, bernie, for a lot of people, it's the first time they'll hear his message or listen to it seriously because look what he did in new hampshire. i think bernie has to take that message, his combined message, economic justice and social justice and criminal justice reform, police reform, sentencing reform. articulate it well and show how it applies and it's important to all americans, especially pick up your point, paul. people of color who are most impacted by all these issues and that's a message that i think will resonate in nevada and in
south carolina as well. for hillary and for both of them, i'd hope they'd be as we sid before, positive, positive. stick to your message. stop this sniping about, how much money who took from whatever. i think people are sick of that. >> donna brazile, what do you want to hear? >> i belong to two unions which means i'm poor. but the fact is that this is -- wisconsin is a state where the state and local municipal workers under scott walker have suffered. i would hope they're able to talk to workers across this country. to the people working the double shift tonight. to americans still struggleatolostruggling to raise their wages. so don't talk about yourself. don't talk about your poll numbers. don't pander but really talk to the heart and soul of what this country is all about. and that's working people. >> ana, you are a republican so
i'm not sure what you want to hear tonight. >> a lot of fighting would be good for me. i'm just glad this debate is on a weeknight and we can all watch and not have to fight with date night. but from -- i would say to both of them, remember that women, remember that hispanics, remember that african-americans are not monolithic groups that do group think. there's geographic differences, economic difference, experience differences. so be careful not to pander. be careful to address the concerns without, you know, going into stereo typical pandering. we're moments away from this important debate. bernie sanders and hillary clinton taking the stage. we'll take one more quick break and then go live to the hall just before the start of the main event which will be broadcast live here. it's protocol. or, you can try staples tech services next day guarantee. it's fast and done right. i'll do that instead. that's not protocol marsha.
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we're just minutes until the democratic presidential debate in milwaukee. let's check in with jeff zeleny who is in the debate hall. jeff, this race certainly different than it was when these two candidates met the last time. >> it certainly is. a different moment in this race. for bernie sanders, he's going to try and show he can expand his appeal and reach out to people, democrats beyond iowa and new hampshire. that's been an open question for him. he's going to try to show that new hampshire victory was not a fluke. hillary clinton is going to try to show she's the keeper of the obama flame, the legacy.
look for her to tie herself closely to the president beginning with health care. president obama will not be on stage. it's a stage with only two podiums but he'll be the person hanging over all these conversations. there's some questions if senator sanders is aligned with the president, with the obama administration in agenda. that's one of the divisions here that's going to be playing out tonight. this is a pivotal moment to see how this race goes forward if this is a new chapter in this entire campaign or if iowa, new hampshire was a blip and this campaign will continue as it would. an interesting two hours ahead here tonight. >> certainly that's. obviously bernie sanders has been fund-raising successfully in the wake of his victory in new hampshire. he's raised millions of dollars just over the last several days since he won in new hampshire. that, obviously, is going to put him in good stead for the battles beyond now coming up in nevada. then, of course, in south carolina.
first democratic battle is in nevada, in -- for the republicans, it's in south carolina. i want to thank everyone. get ready. we'll all be watching the debate and reconvene immediately afterwards for the best highlights and analysis. two hours of post-coverage debate. from milwaukee, time for the debate. thank you, new hampshire. >> thank you, iowa. >> it looks like we are in a virtual tie. >> there is so much at stake in this election. >> we will need to come together and unite this party. >> senator sanders and i share a lot of the same goals. but there are differences. >> secretary clinton does represent the establishment. >> i am not going to make promises i can't keep. >> what happened here in new hampshire, that is what will happen all over this country. >> we're going to fight