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the cnn quiz show is back on monday. anchors and commentators compete in presidential trivia with anderson cooper hosting. that is monday at 9:00 p.m. that does it for us tonight. cnn tonight with don lemon starts right now. you know it is getting cold out. now it is getting ugly. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. donald trump accusing cruz of cheating and threatening to sue. claiming he is not a natural born citizen and cruz isn't byte biting. >> there's a reason that donald engages in attacks, because it's all a smoke screen to hide from his record. >> a busy hour ahead and a busy weekend on the trail as candidates prepare to face off in south carolina and nevada. tomorrow night the republicans will face off in their d latest debate. this time in south carolina where the gop primary will be held a week from tomorrow.
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but tonight, donald trump looking past south carolina and holding a rally in florida, a key southern state that holds the primary many mid march. on the democratic side the battle is heating up between hillary clinton and bernie sanders, each vying for the votes of african-americans and claiming to be the rightful successor to president obama. meanwhile, ted cruz out tonight with a new campaign ad slamming hillary clinton's handling 0 of her e-mails as secretary of state. take a look. ♪ feels good to be a clinton ♪ shameless politician always plays the cards right ♪ got fight on the air waves ♪ ♪ don't get to know what they do ♪ >> what difference does it make. >> the ad is a parody of "office
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space" and the ghetto boys 1992 single it feels good to be a gangsta. they pointed out we don't support ted cruz or his lame ad using our music. there's a lot to talk about tonight. we will talk about it with frank, writer at large for "new york magazine." what is going on this political season? did you ever -- >> well, it seems to me it's an amazing political season. i think like many people i was expecting to be bored to death by another bush versus clinton battle a few months ago but everything is up for grabs and reflects a very unsettled country and particularly on the republican side an unsettled republican party that is divided among itself. >> it is making debates interesting wchl heard trump and cruz trading blows. who's the biggest target on their back do you think? >> i guess cruz has to be the
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biggest target onrump's back because he's second, a distant second and they are competing more or less for the same voters. so you have that drama playing out. below you have rubio, to some extent competing for cruz and trump voters but also going against other establishment candidates, obviously bush and kasich. you have two sort of boxing matches on the same ticket. >> do you think that jeb bush, frank, could make a comeback despite the brutal attacks he's taken from trump for months? >> i don't see it. first of all, i think -- leaving aside the trump attacks and the fact he has successfully emasculated bush, presenting him as low energy and a rich fool hiding behind his mother's skirt. i'm not saying i endorse it but this is what trump is doing. also the votes of the party, the
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heart and passion of the party is not with a kind of walking establishment, mild-mannered candidate. it is with a fire brand. the two people who most fill that role by far is trump and cruz. >> kasich too wonky? >> i don't think it is what he is too wonky, he is too moderate for the base of the republican party that is the primary electorate. also, he doesn't have that fire. actually, in private, he's supposed to be a pretty tough, sometimes angry guy, but his kind of rationality, like jeb bush's, i think it is a drug on the market in this climate where people want anger and an outsider. >> let's talk about last night's democratic debate. who do you think won? >> i think it wasn't decisive about anything but i think hillary clinton has been on an upswing, including in the debate
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in her public presentation and i felt she outshown bernie sanders after her defeat in new hampshire. i felt her speech that night was much more effective than sanders endlessly recycling his stump speech but frankly i don't think the debate is a big factor in what's going to go forward. i don't think it moved many or any votes to either side. no oops moment. >> i may be romanty sizing a little bit but i think the fight to capture the african-american vote, who's going to appeal to the african-americans, i think that is really front and center this time. the third person on the stage was barack obama. i want you to listen to a clip. >> senator sanders said that president obama failed the president r presidential leadership test. this is not the first time that he has criticized president obama. in the past he called him weak and a disappointment. >> that is a low bloechl last i heard we lived in a democratic
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society. last i heard a united united states senator had the right to disagree with the president. >> who do you think won that exchange? >> i thought it was a draw. but hillary clinton is wrapping herself in obama and you can't blame her. he is hugely popular with the base of the democratic party and not just african-americans, most of the base of the democratic party. that said, when she calls him out for criticizing obama, i'm amazed, where are the commercials with the clips of her attacking obama when she ran against him in 2008? surely that's commercial we're waiting to see happen. all on video. >> yeah, you think she is goating him. he wants to play nice, he said. i don't want to attack her, i respect her, i have known her 25 years. he says it over and over. do you think she is goating him
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because it will in some way help her, if he goes negative it will help her? >> maybe. but i think -- it walks a fine line. now sanders' supporters are young people, whose enthusiasm, not just young people, but the young supporters of sanders who hillary clinton doesn't have, she has to have, if she is going to be on the ticket in november. if she completely trashes him or implicitly trashes his supporters and what he believes in, she will have a problem possibly in november in terms of enthusiasm and turnout and just, you know, footworkers for her campaign. >> if you look at, i'm just using south carolina as an example, most of the people, most of the african-americans she has most of the african-american support. you look at people under 45, she has 61%. when you look above 45, she has 81%. the only place that bernie sanders may be winning is with
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18 to 29 year olds where there's not complete data on that. but pretty much she has strong african-american support. he has to hit her hard on that. to try to gain some of that support. >> he does, but he is really coming from behind. he has no real presence until recently with african -- democratic african-americans at all. it's not been the nature of -- he's a senator from a white state. not really been a national politician. if he makes inrodes, i'm not saying he will, she has to win south carolina for the reason you say, the clintons have an enormous history there. they are beloved by the south carolina african-american community. is she has to win. there can't be excuses if she doesn't win and win decisively. that's why, in some was she may have more riding on this than she does. he can lose it.
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everyone expects him to lose. she makes inroads in a short matter of time that will give people pause. >> she may be vulnerable and most people think she is when it comes to wauchlt sanders is pointing out he doesn't take wall street money like hillary clinton does and not beholden to big money interest. i want you to listen to this. >> we don't represent wall street or the billionaire class. it ends up on the only candidate up here of the many candidates, who has no super pact. secretary clinton's super pact as i understand it, received $25 million last reporting period. $15 million from wall street. our average contribution is $27. i'm proud of that. >> so it turns out that bernie sanders has taken and this is $55,000 from wall street donors for this presidential campaign. he has gotten $1.5 million from a super pact, the national nurses united for patient
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protection and attended with wall street donors while in congress. it is nowhere near hillary clinton's haul but he is not squeaky klein either. do you think that will hurt him? >> $55,000 to a campaign committee. >> drop in the bucket. >> it is a drop in the buck but just think for one speaking engagement employer alone goldman sachs, hillary clinton collected $675,000 and for herself. it wasn't even for her campaign. we ino she spoke at other hedge funds and wall street companies and she can now win this game. $55,000 is almost embarrassing in modern politics. it's such a small amount of money. so, yeah, some got in but i don't think that -- she is going to have to -- none of this will stop people asking about that. >> frank, i have to go. but we have had this conversation remember when people were saying donald trump
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will be out in a month, two months. after this or that. what do you hear from democrats who may have under estimated their opponent? >> they are panicking because they are thinking two things. first of all, they are deciding what country they want to move to, but they think quite rightly that after him being dismissed he could get the republican nomination and while i and many feel he's likely to lose in a match up with someone like hillary clinton in part because he will have no minority voters and hard time getting women voters you don't know. hong kong hong kong's campaign has been an uneven affair. people are nervous about it on both sides. >> frank rich, you picked a good time to be in los angeles. it has been cold and will get colder. thank you, sir. have a great weekend. >> you too. a quick reminder if you did not see the pbs democratic debate you can watch it here
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after this broadcast. coming up, jeb bush about to get big help on the campaign trail in south carolina. we will see who's joining him at a rally days before the crucial south carolina primary. plus hillary clinton and bernie sanders battling it out for the support of black voters. it took joel silverman years to become a master dog trainer. but only a few commands to master depositing checks at chase atms. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. but i've managed.e crohn's disease is tough, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief.
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let's discuss with the columnist for the "new york times" and presidential aawe torian douglas brinkley. good to spend my friday night. you leave when douglas comes to town. >> nothing personal. >> nick, gorge w. bush, going to start to campaign for his brother on monday. is theres no stall gentleman george w. bush now. >> we are seeing a resurrection of bush. when he left the presidency he was unpopular with people even republicans. then he got quiet. his paintings got leaked and he has recovered in the polls at least, some real popularity. he is more popular in the polls than president obama is. his favorability ratings have higher than president obama's are. >> it will probably help he didn't criticize the president sitting president which
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sometimes they document. >> he retreated and there was a contrast with dick cheney that he seemed more presidential, if you will. among republicans and south carolina republicans who care a lot about the military, i think there ises no stall gentleman for him and the republican field that favors toughness. he is seen as pretty tough. >> douglas, people have been saying why now? why did he do it earlier. is it too little too late? he was jeb! for so long, instead of jeb bush. >> i think it is too little too late. jeb bush tried to say i'm my own man. he was worried about that dynasty issue that we don't hear so much about, but a year ago was a big deal. i have to put forward my fine record in many ways to be governor of florida. but instead now it is desperation time. hail mary pass time. you saw barbara bush coming in new hampshire. she did well. you didn't see jeb bush rise a lot in the polls and now you
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will have george w. bush making the case for his brother. it is sad it is happening at the end of the line and didn't get energized as surrogates earlier. >> how much do you think he and his campaign or advisers may have thought it will be a another bush/clinton all over again and you don't want that. >> it was absolutely a big part of it. i think there is something about jeb bush with just the exclamation point and not jeb bush. many commentators were saying there is bush fatigue because of the war in iraq and because he was the president of the great recession, hurricane katrina. he is not ranked highly by scholars but he is popular as an ex-president. we praise ex-presidents. we beat up on them when they are in the white house and they get out and we give them an up ward revision. jimmy carter is beloved but i'm not sure if people are ready for another term of jimmy carter. >> i will ask you another question and go beyond, considering what douglas said about this wars and all of that.
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could this amplify jeb's establishment connection could that backfire? >> agree with doug. jeb doesn't have a lot of alternatives. he has to do something. >> what should he do? >> frankly, i don't think that anything he will do will elevate him to become the nominee. i think at this point it is hard to see how he will capture the nomination. he essentially represents something that republican primary voters don't want. it makes sense to pull an old artillery and try new strategies, like his brother but i don't think he has the path to the nomination. >> what should he do. >> win the debate tomorrow night. we can all say, gosh, he killed trump and cruz in the debate a little momentum and have his brother there and stay with him and come in second in south carolina, somehow beat cruz there or a close tied up with cruz, second, third to give him momentum and move forward.
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if he bombs out in south carolina i don't see he could continue. >> even with the money. >> yeah. >> since you brought up the debate, talk about the debate last night. president obama, should he have had another podium on the stage last night. >> he is beloved suddenly by bernie sanders and hillary clinton. both of them are vying for the obamaites. this is democratic politics. president obama is fairly popular in the democratic party but really it is the african-american vote in south carolina. it is not a coincidence that on that day you had john lewis backing hillary clinton and harry belafonte backing bernie sanders. they are each surrogating it. it is a big moment to say i'm the obama candidate. i think hillary clinton's made a better case that she is really the one the white house likes most. >> that is really -- the difference here -- you know, president obama, nicholas, was up on the stage last night, sort of. he was talked about a lot.
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but the big difference in south carolina will be among african voter and the country as well. that's the push for the democrats. >> that's right. sure looks like it will be hard to do much damage to clinton there in the polling. she is running 4-1 ahead in african-american south carolina democratic primary voters. i thought what she was doing in the debate last night was essentially trying to sow doubts about whether sanders is anti-obama. that probably -- i thought it was indeed a little bit of a low blow but probably effective below low blow. >> while giving the president a big bear hug, right. listen to what hillary clinton had to say today about the president. >> barack obama was running for president. he made all kinds of promises. we know he can't keep all of those promises. nobody can. but, when he had a congress the
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way he had that couldn't get nothing done. didn't want to do nothing. tell me how you will deal with that congress. >> well, let me say this, don't sell president obama short. what he got done is pretty remarkable, given the opposition that he was up against. part of it is he did not get one republican vote for the affordable care act. he did not get one republican vote for saving the awe ito industry. he didn't get one republican vote for dodd frank but it didn't stop him. you get up every day and work as hard as you can to make as much progress as possible. >> that is the exact opposite of hillary 2008. explain the dynamic in this campaign. >> i think the big thing is president obama said essentially a third term and hillary clinton
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could provide that. you know, there's -- there was to love loss between them in 2008. they were rivals, but she was president obama's secretary of state. she has to be a part of the foreign policy legacy of killing osama bin laden and the like. so she is doubling and tripling and quad drooping down on her association with the president. >> i would add, i think at the end of the day there isn't a vast ideological or policy difference between sanders and clinton but a perception from the white house and a lot of people in washington that there's a huge difference in electability. she at the end of the day is more likely to be elected if she is the nominee. i think that is one reason for the white house's embrace of her. >> gentlemen, thank you. nicholas, safe travels. see you soon. have a great weekend. up next, donald trump threatening to sue ted cruz. is the threat real? we will talk about that next.
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author of i should be dead. katie, columnist for above the law and washington correspondent for the new yorker. >> trump took aim at ted cruz on twitter. this is what he said. if he ted cruz dunn clean up his act, stop cheating and doing negative ads i have standing to sue him for not being a natural born citizen. here's how cruz responded. >> there's more than a little irony in donald accusing anyone of being nasty. given the amazing torrent of insults, obscenities and sul garritys that come out of his mouth on any given day. i have to admit it is amusing. a couple of months ago donald said i was his friend, i was amazing and terrific and suddenly every day he comes out with a new attack. i wake up in the morning, look
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at my e-mail to see whatever the latest attack is. you are being attacked by donald, it is always colorful. i will give him this, he's not boring. my approach has been i'm not going to respond. he can launch whatever insults he wants. >> he should know keep your friends close and enemies closer, right? do you think he will sue? >> absolutely not. donald trump was provoked really. ted cruz has released a barrage of negative ads in south carolina. this comes after donald trump, who backed his negative ad attacking ted cruz i don't think donald trump will sue. if you look at the wording of his tweet, he said i have standing to sue, which is correct he probably does but if you recall donald trump promised in a january debate he would not sue ted cruz. i don't think he will. i don't think it would be a wise move. leave it to the democrats.
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>> he is so unpredictable. i have heard legal analysts and attorneys like jeffrey toobin who said he has standing and if he does it will tie up his campaign because he will have to spend the bulk of his campaign responding to the lawsuit. >> think of this, i will be in zk tk to talk about the issues, we are talking about donald trump suit which has no legal standing. hi knows that. >> even -- >> the suit itself. remember, john mccain, this came up with john mccain when he was running for president. he was born on a base in panama. >> yeah. >> it is different than ted cruz, right? >> no. >> it's a typical donald trump wants everybody to pay attention. cruz will sit there and talk about other things about whether or not he was born legally or not. >> it is brilliant, bob.
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>> i just thought of that. >> ryan, listen, as kayleigh said it is brilliant because cruz would have to respond and who knows what a judge would rule on it. >> i disagree with kayleigh that donald trump said he wouldn't sue means he won't sue. he has a long track record of changing his mind. who knows if he will do it or not. the closer legal scholars looked at in the more doubts that have been opened up. cruz's situation is different than mccains or george romney or even barry goldwater who was, after all, born in arizona but when it was a territory. >> or president obama. that is a joke. >> he was born in hawaii but it was a state. so there's some small question
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about this. there have been lawsuits in alabama some voters filed a lawsuit against ted cruz and a legal analyst pointed out the person who would have standing would be another candidate. someone who would lose out if ted cruz were the nominee. average voters don't have standing. i don't know. trump is -- i think trump is doing well beating kruds without this. he doesn't need to resort to it but he se unpredictable. >> i want to move on. should ted cruz be worried about this? >> i think so. if trump puts resources behind him and sues him it would be a huge story. >> wouldn't cost hardly any money. >> he's not going to. he's not going to. donald trump is a man of his word. he may have changed his viewpoint on some issues be that doesn't mean he is not a man of his word. >> you got it kayleigh. >> there is a chance he might. >> i want bob to explain why. bob is saying the stronger
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donald trump looks, the stronger commitment to bernie sanders becomes. why is that? >> when you have a revolution going on. when -- look at the history of this. the extreme right wing, the left wing rises up. that's what is going on. look back. it happened when george wallace ran as a third party candidate in '68. the left was already change up in '68. i'm not at all surprised. here's the real problem for donald trump particularly. he isn't higher than 35% in the republican party. that's his ceiling. i don't think he will do any better than that unless cruz is not around. if cruz is not around and he consolidated that -- >> that's a lawsuit but go ahead. >> maybe that's right. >> go ahead. the point is there is no way he can accumulate enough delegates at 35%. >> why is that? that's not correct. >> sure it is. >> if he wins -- if he continues to win states with 35% and
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especially when you get in to more winner take all states why can't he be the nominee. >> you have to have 51 plus delegates on the floor. >> you have carson in there who might get out at some point. >> if he has any delegates can can turn them over to trump. it is complicated. i've done these things. you can't assert that everybody is a free agent. they got elected as a delegate to another candidate. they are not allowed to vote that candidate on the first ballot. >> in a winner-take-all state and i know the states are littered with exceptions, and the delegate process is complicated but in a state where it is winner take all and donald trump wins 35%, doesn't he get all of the delegates in that state and if he continues to do that he's the nominee. >> in most of those states it is the majority, a winner take all by congressional district. >> right. >> not statewide. but nonetheless. >> that's what south carolina
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is. that's where he is right now. in new hampshire he won in every area of the state and across every demographic. >> did he take the majority of the delegates in new hampshire, no. >> no, because it is proportional. >> let's talk about the democrats. there is a similar situation on the other side. people would say -- bob and ryan, i think you agree, that donald trump and bernie sanders are similar. they are polar opposites when it comes to politics but the way they have entered this political race, similar, populous, you know, donald trump is appealing to younger people, as well. his campaign rallies are filled with young people. what about on the democratic side, is it the same for bernie sanders? >> yeah, it is. the most important generation in this election is millennials. there is 80 million of them. they are equally as strong on the left as the right. they are with sanders or donald trump. you know, people say why doesn't hillary clinton get more of them, because they don't trust
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her much and they are not politically inclined outside of this year. >> i want to talk about madeleine albright. the former secretary of state mal madeleine albright who made headlines last week when she said women must vote for hillary clinton or they would burn in hell. it was controversial and some say undiplomatic. i think it is meant as a joke but people maybe didn't take that way. she responded saying i believe what i said that women should help one another, but this was the wrong context and wrong time to use that line. i did not mean to argue that women should support a particular candidate based solely on gender but i understand that i came across as condemning those who disagree with my political preferences. all of your reaction. i will start with you first, kayleigh. this is a moment of truth for madeleine albright. in order to a b so-call feminist you have to vote democratic and
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it is appalling. i think it creates women as a voting bloc and trying to paint them as one. that's incredibly one and anti-feminist if you ask me. >> to her credit it was a real apo oi /* apology. it goes to show you in the heat of a campaign you say something like that, as she pointed out she has been saying for 25 years and it has a different context and a lot of outrage. >> i have seen madeleine albright use that phrase probably 15 times. but this is the once people paid attention to it. that feminist movement is over. it's been handed down to a new generation. >> young people don't see it the way -- >> exactly. >> thank you, guys. have a great weekend. up next, hillary clinton and bernie sanders fighting for the votes of african-americans. we eel talk more about it. was engineered...
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. hillary clinton and bernie sanders battling it out to win the support of african-american voters. i want to talk about this with the columnist for "the daily
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beast" and host of political beat. i have to listen to that. and van jones political commentator and former obama administration official. i can't wait to have this conversation with you guys. this is where it has been going. we have been saying that. you brought it to our attention more so in the last week. my first question is for you, kelly. black voters supported the clintons for years. what's the appeal? what's the support? should they count on it? >> i would say they did support them for years until 2008 when she lost. so there is a bit of a bump in the his richl i would say there is a whole thing with bill clinton considered the first black president and then a real black came along who had a fresher message. black voters supported president obama in that. what i would say is i don't buy in to the ongoing myth that the clintons have a magical spell over the black community, nor should they. however, i also don't buy in to the idea that people should not
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vote for hillary clinton simply because her husband had this label of the first black president and some people feel he didn't earn it and they should vote against it. >> she shouldn't count on the vote? >> she shouldn't take it for granted which is what a lot of democrats are doing. i believe black voters have to take a lot of factors in to account when they decide who to vote for. part of it is are things like electable. you go back to 2000 where people thought ralph nader was better on progressive issues. that worked out great for black americans when bush got in office. that will play in to the decision and that favors hillary clinton. >> if i may paraphrase, african-american voters don't have the luxury of voting for someone who is a sure shot. hillary clinton is a sure shot. >> more than bernie sanders. >> van, your response and
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reaction? >> i read the piece. i think there's a difference between a ralph nader and a bernie sanders. they are the opposite. ralph nader is independent, decides to run as a green party candidate in a general election which messes up the math for the democrats. sanders and independents make the opposite choice. he runs as a democrat in a primary election pledging to poert the democrats. i think african-americans have more choice to vote their true heart if they want to. there's a way to look at sanders the way that blacks votes looked in '84 and '88. it wasn't clear that jesse jackson could win a general election but after african-americans gave heart and support to him because they liked his agenda and what he stood for. in the primary, african-americans have a choice. they shouldn't feel they have to vote -- >> but in the general -- go ahead. >> i am glad you brought up '84 and '88 when the democrats lost.
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>> no, but they didn't lose of jesse jackson's candidacy. >> part of why they lost because of the ugly primary. it has become a myth. they got the information because it was brought out in the primaries. i think discounting the role that ugly primary can have on ultimately the election and who's effective is the larger point that i think people have to talk about. >> we had the ugliest primary ever in 2008. and then obama won. >> people say it was ugly. compared to that, you know? >> jesse jackson didn't run the willie horton ad. i want to talk about this particular opportunity. i think that hillary clinton has earned through hard work and shoe leather a certain amount of respect and relationship with
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the black community. i think bernie sanders, who i love his politics, has to be faulted for not having those relationships. he is a victim of his class first and class last ideology. for years he talked about i'm going to tax wall street, social security and racism disappeared. he was forced by black lives matter last year to take a different look at that. to his credit, he has grown. so in the recent incarnation, i think he is good on racial issues, very explicit about it but paying a price for the past couple of decades of not actually having a racially sophisticated -- >> you said he has grown but grown in the way he is responding to it in his rhetoric. so there is no record of anything that he has done in the congress, right. >> what is that what the congressional caucus said. >> i will respond. i have to get to a break. i promisely let you respond.
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders are fighting for black voters. van, you're responding to what we said about his work in the senate, bernie sanders's work in the senate on black issues. >> i'm trying to be balanced here. i think we actually are now finally having a real discussion. it hasn't just been the back and the forth. to be fair to bernie, he has a higher rating from the naacp as senator than hillary clinton did. i think a lot of people don't know that. also, i'm starting to be very concerned about the way the clintons are almost making it seem if you oppose hillary clinton or if you like sanders, you somehow hate obama. bernie is supposed to be the socialist but the clintons are acting like obama's like our dear leader, like in north korea, if you criticize the dear
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lead are. that's nuts. you can have a critique of the status quo -- >> i can't wait to see the right-wing blogs get ahold of what you said but go on. >> blow it up, blow it up! she's like hillary rodham obama, if you don't like the way things are, you're disrespecting obama. i think a lot of black folks like him better than her. that's just reality. >> one thing that van touched upon is media framing it as if there is one or two or three or four black americans who speak for all of us.
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le the fact is we don't all get together for one meeting. >> didn't van call the meeting? >> that really needs to change. >> it's true because as i talk to people, right, i see people -- i see african-americans and people who don't believe this on social media, i see african-american hogs support ben carson. i haven't seen many who support ted cruz. it's not just one single candidate. there is not just one way to be black and one person to put your support behind. >> let me add to that. just to build on that, there is an african-american left and there's an african-american center and there's an african-american right. what you're see rieing right ina
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lot of the african-american centrists are grouping around the clintons. john lewis was with hillary clinton against obama almost until the very end. >> remember we talked about this years ago when it happened when the black establishment did not support -- they said we don't know this guy, we're supporting hillary clinton. >> i pointed out in my column that that's an electability issue. because we pay attention to electability. which is why i believe that bernie sanders is going to have a tough sell, not just giving bernie more respect they deserve. i think a lot of african-americans are more pragmatic only because life has made us so. and that's -- >> quickly, van.
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i want to bring something else up. go ahead. >> i think it's important to recognize that for the black left, so you're talking about a michelle alexander, a keith ellison, this is an opportunity for them to assert themselves as a political wing of our community and say we're not just going to go with the clintons, even though they will support the clintons in the general in is a very sophisticated community. it not just the black vote. >> so quickly this is what i want to bring up. it really breaks down along generational. young voters for the democratic presidential nominee, bernie win business quite a large margin in south carolina. when you look at the choice for democratic nominee, it is an entire li entirely different story in south carolina because hillary wins on pretty much all front.
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>> that's actually a larger issue that we allow two diverse states in the union to set tone on both primaries. i think that's a big mistake and problem. >> van jones? >> i agree. i think that secretary rail should learn that younger voters -- >> you have 20 seconds. >> younger voters black and white need to hear a more inspirational message from her period. >> van jones, you are picked the right weekend not to be in the east. i'll see you back here on monday. encore presentation on the pbs "newshour" democratic debate begins in just a moment. the sudden loss of pasture became a serious problem for a family business. faced with horses that needed feeding the owners were forced to place an emergency order of hay. thankfully, mary miller banks with chase for business.
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