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for first senator cruz. when we come back, more questions from the voters. we'll be right back. [ applause ]
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welcome back. you're on a senate judiciary committee. if president obama sends up a n nominee, should they hear it. >> they should not. >> should they get a hearing? >> i don't think they should because it's not about the particular nominee. i think what hearing would end up very politicized. and i don't think it would be fair to the nominee. i think this is a matter of policy, that during a lame duck period we should not be confirming a supreme court nomination -- particularly, luke at justice scalia's passing. justice scalia was a lion of the law. he was someone i knew for 20
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years. he was brilliant, principled. like ronald reagan was to the presidency, so justice scalia was to the supreme court. and his passing leaves a huge void on that court. and this nomination has the fop potential to dramatically shift the balance of power. the last republican debate came the same day we learned justice scalia passed. i think that shifted -- it really made people focus on the gravity of the stakes here. you mentioned before the new poll today that has us in first place nationwide, it's the first time donald trump has not been in first place in many, many months and i think this is an important reason why, that people were look at this stage and say hog do i know about beyond a shadow of a doubt would
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nominate and fight to nominate principled jurists. we are one liberal justice away from the supreme court striking don't every restriction on abortion that's been put in place the last four years. one one liberal justice away from the supreme court writing the second amendment out of constitution. we are one liberal justice away from the supreme court ordering commandment monuments to be torn down. and i think one. most important questions in this election is who understands and is prepared and committed to fight for principled supreme court justices that will follow the constitution. and i got it tell you, anderson, i cannot wait to stand on that
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debate stage with hillary clinton and bernie sanders and take it to the american people, their vision of the supreme court of the constitution mandates unlimited abortion on demand, takes away our religious liberty, i don't think that's what the american people believe in, but we ought to take it to the election. if the democrats want to nominate liberal, they have to win the election. one of the reasons i think conservatives are uniting behind my campaign is they're coming to the realization stla the experience and the commitment to make that commitment beagainst hillary clinton and bernie sanders. >> donald trump and marco rubio have said you're a liar. are they lying about that?
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>> this is a strange election season in many ways. both donald trump and marco rubio are following this pattern that whenever anyone points it their actual record, to what they've said to what they've voted on to what they've done, they start screaming liar, liar, liar. it is the oddest thing i can't think any precedent in any previous republican presidential election. now, from my end, i have not and will not respond in kind. if they want to engage in personal insults, if they want to go to the mud, i'm not going to say the same thing about them. i think the people of south carolina deserve more than people just throwing mud at each other. i mentioned on saturday on the debate stage that donald trump for 60 years of his life has described himself as pro abortion, and even now supports taxpayer funding for planned parenthood. his response was to bel bellow
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"liar, liar." you said on national television you think planned parenthood does wonderful things. and then, anderson, donald proceeded to say on deet bait stage once again he thinks planned parenthood does wonderful things. the very thing he called me a liar for, he said again on the stage. >> i like marco rubio. he's a friend of mine. i made three statements about marco's immigration during the debate. i think number one, marco right now supports granting citizenship to the 12 million people who are here illegally. now, that is a fact. he said that on deet balt stage two or three debates ago. in fact, on "meet the press"
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with chuck todd a few weeks ago, marco said he should grant citizenship to people here illegally even if they have criminal convictions. the second thing i said he said when he was in florida, he supported in had of state tuition for illegal immigrants. that's a fact. and the third thing i said is he went on univision and in spanish said he would not rescind the illegal executive action on immigration. marco followed the same strategy, just screamed liar, liar, liar. he didn't dispute the substance. he said how would you know what i said on univision. you don't speak span ir. well, marco was incorrect on
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that. but, look, truth matters. every one of these issues, donald and marco are on video on national television stating their positions and just yelling liar doesn't make it so. and i would note, by the way, if marco is right that i'm lying, they be i'll tell you else has to be lying, jeff sessions has to be buy lolying, rush limbaug james dobson has to be lying because every one of them has said the exact same thing i did, most of those folks haven't endorsed me, they're not supporting me, but they've spoken the truth. one of the things i love about the people in south carolina is how seriously they take the responsibility to vet the candidates. can you go to our web site and watch the video and see marco and donald stating their
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positions. >> this is robert tucker, a l lawyer. he said he's still deciding between you and marco rubio. >> welcome. >> welcome back to greenville. >> thank you. >> go we've seen articles that you don't get along with some of your republican senators, your colleagues in washington. if you're going to have a problem with them, what are you going to say to them as president to get them on board so we can get legislation passed? >> it's a great question, robert, thank you for asking it. the reason why that is is simple. it's not that i speak with ak lack of civility or respect. you've seen in this presidential campaign as other os insult me or impugn my integrity, i don't
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respond in kind. i have not attacked or inassaulted my colleagues in the senate, democratic or republican. i'll tell you why they say ted is unlikable in washington. because i'm actually honoring the commitments that i made to the men and women who elected me. for example, on planned parenthood, i led the fight for to us use the budgetary power of congress to stop giving $500 million to planned parenthood. the republican leadership wanted to have a show vote, lose the show vote and then fund all of obama's agenda including planned parenthood. what's unlikable is when you stand up and say how about we do what we said we would do. when i stood up and led the fight against the rubio/schumer amnesty bill, they said that was
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unlikable. you know why? because all the money in washington and all the lobbyists in washington wanted amnesty. if you look at the special interest, amnesty, they it's its great, it's cheap labor. and, by the way, the way we won these fights is that i stood up and tried to shine a light on them, shine attention on them and empower the american people. rubio/schumer amnesty passed. it was headed to the house it pass. john boehner intended to take it up, pass it with all the democrats and a handful of republicans, roll over about 200 house republicans. and i stood with jeff sessions and steve king and we took the case to the american people and what happened is millions of american people rose up, lit up the phones to congress and said don't do this and we dedee
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feated the rubio/schumer amnesty bill in the house. in the world of washington, that's considered unlikable. when republican leadership -- i wrote a book last year called "a time for truth "oup. the opening chapter desights the inside story whachd on the debt ceiling, where republican leadership wanted to make it easier for harry reid to add trillions in debt to our country and i objected to that, the act of honoring the promise i made to the men and women who elected me engender more animosity than anything i've done in my time in the senate. just this morning senator jim deminutd demint was in a radio question and addressed this yes. he said ted is a friend, anyone who says he's unlikable is being ridiculous, he said they said the thing about me because jim demint honored the commitments
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he made to south carolina. republican leadership hated jim demint. not because he speak mean about them but because he's actually said let's do what he said we would do. so lots take the second half of your question. how do we fix the problems? a president has three levers of presidential authority to change the direction of this country. number one is executive pow person that's been the one obama has abused so much. the silver lining is everything done with executive power can be undone with executive pow person that's why i pledge pledged to resint every single illegal executive action under president obama. it's why i pledged to end the persecution individual liberty and why i pledge to instruct
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that common core ends today. using legitimate executive pow exyou can end many of the abuses of obama if you have a president willing to use the power. the second avenue of executive power to change the direction of this country is foreign policy. that's why i pledged on day one to rip this shreds the iran nuclear deal and it's worth remembering this same nation, iran, released our hostages the day that ronald reagan was sworn in. the third avenue to change the direction of the country is legislation. legislation is not easy with this broken congress. i'm running on two big legislative initiatives. number one, repealing every word of obamacare and, number it would be, adopting a simple flat tax and abolishing the irs.
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now, neither one of those are easy. i'm not remotely naive or polly anish. could i get those done in this congress? no. but think about the last time we beat the washington cartel. it was 1980. reagan in '76, primary gerald ford. you want to make republican leadership loath you, come within an inch of beating the incumbent republican president in a primary. you think they dislike me? they hated reagan with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. he was unlikable. yet what did reagan do in '77, '78, '79, he didn't fly to washington and sit down with the old bulls and say let's do something. he knew that wouldn't happen. when you go to the people, it transformed the incentives. can you not find a republican who will not swear that ronald
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reagan is tattooed somewhere on their body. but the reason is he took the case to the people and he changed the incentives. how do we abolish ---y repeal obamacare and make a flat tax, we make it a referendum so we come out in 2016 with a mandate from the people. that's exactly what i intend do. >> thank you. >> thank you for your question. >> this is susan harvey. she's a local travel agent. she's still undecided. >> good evening, susan. >> hi. if you're elected, what position this your cabinet would the most important to fill first and why? >> that is a very good question. i would say it would be a three-way tie between secretary of state, secretary of defense and attorney general.
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all three are critically important. state and defense, we need o start rebuilding our military immediately when. it comes it state, we have abandoned our friend and allies nationally. it's part of the reason i mentioned before ripping to shreds the iranian nuclear deal and moving the american embassy to jerusalem, both of those are within the power of the president but they're also powerfully symbolic. moving the embassy to israel tells israel, our allies and our enemies america is back. obama in his opening weeks, he sent back the bust of winston churchill to the united kingdom. if i'm elected president, winston churchill is coming back to the oval office. as secretary of state week need someone strong, someone who defends this country, someone who represents this country. i'm not in the position right now to be naming cabinet appointments, but a secretary of state in the cruz trags would be
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someone like john bolton, someone who is strong, who defends had country, who sfwands our allies and stand up to our enemies. looking at attorney general, attorney general, the lawlessness of the obama administration, has been one of the saddest legacies. and you know one of the most revealing aspects -- anderson, if you ask reporters in washington, off the record, you get them at the bar having a couple drinks and you say is hillary going to be indicted? inself-ably the answer they giver you they're going to say, well, it depends on if the obama white house decides they want to throw her overboard. it they decide they want to keep her, no, she won't be indicted and if they decide they're done with her, she will. how howe sad is it that the media accepts as a given that whether someone is prosecuted under the political will you depends on what some political hack in the west wing thinks. i used to be an associate deputy
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attorney general andism spent five and a half years as solicitor general in the state of texas. law enforcement in the administration of law is critically important. and i give you my word that the attorney general in my administration will be blind to party or ideology. it will not be a partisan position. the only fidelity of the department of justice will be to the laws and the constitution of the united states. that's the way it's meant to work. >> we have a few minutes left. do you want to tell me what reporters you're having drinks with in d.c.? >> i guess not. >> what's your favorite cocktail? >> i'm a scotch man. >> i understand you're also a night owl. do you have a guilty pleasure,
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do you watch television? >> i used to watch tv. i'm a huge movie buff. i love movies. i like video games. one of the things -- if you asked my wife, if you asked heidi what drives her craze owe about me the most, it is my iphone. if she could fling my iphone out the window and into the trash, she will be thrilled, i'm on my iphone playing plants versus zombies, candy crush. my girls love it. >> i know you've done a lot of impersonations on the campaign trail. what's your favorite one and do you want to grace us with it? >> part it have is you want to have fun. a lot of timesism get the questions in town halls. how do republicans reach young people? part it have is substantial beep
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have to make the case that the obama agenda is hammering young people. for seven years people come out of school with economic stagnation, they can't get a job, they don't have a future. part of getting young people is getting people to loosen up. would it kill the republicans to crack a joke? i'm reminded of a few years back i was out in l.a. traveling throughout. the week before i arrived these posters began appearing all over town. and they're posters of my head on a shirtless torso that is ripped. and it's covered with tattoo, a giant eagle on my chest, two six
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shooters on my abs -- >> you ever sound less than con vinced. >> a cigarette dangling out of my to mouth and above it the legend "black listed and loving it." we had nothing it did with these posters. it was a local straight artist in l.a. and we decided to have some fun with them. we posted on facebook and said for whatever reason these posters started appearing all around who will' wood. i said i have to say i noticed a glaring error, i don't smoke cigarettes. >> a special thanks to all the voters being here and asking the questio questions and for the viewers at home, i hope you'll join us. our coverage continues with don
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the breaking news as we look at those live pictures from colombia, south carolina. greenville south carolina, colombia tomorrow. this is cnn tonight, i'm don clem lemon. who is up, who is down and what happens when john kasich, donald trump and jeb bush take the stage? >>. >> i want to say local to my dream team. none other than our own gloria borger joins us.
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hi, gloria. what did you think? >> first of all, i love the town hall formats. it gives the candidates a way to present themselves other than two dimensional. i've been out on the campaign trail today. i was at ted cruz's now infamous presser in which he talked about the lawsuit that donald trump has filed against him for defamation because of his ad. and tonight i think while there was clearly politics and cruz was complaining about donald trump calling him ridiculous, i do think you got to see another dimension of the candidates, ben carson saying i have the experience to be president and here's why i'm qualified. which is a question a lot of people ask about him. you saw marco rubio try to define himself at unifier in the party. and you saw ted cruz positioning himself very much as the
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pro-life, anti-trump constitutional scholar who is the best equipped to pick the next supreme court justice. and you didn't see it in sound bites, don, you saw it in really lengthy segments that voters can watch and kind of chew on. >> really lengthy answers for so so some. we were standing here, some of the panel saying it was like a filibuster. were there any surprising to you? >> there really weren't any surprises to me, other that be i think marco rubio was the candidate out there who really decided not to kind of get deep in the muck again. i mean, he said he would defend his record and he accused, you know, he spoke about why he thinks ted cruz isn't telling the truth about him when anderson asked about that. you might call it a filibuster
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but we're not used to hearing candidates in more than 30-second sound bites. i tliefl find it kind of refreshing to hear them explain how they feel about the issues and how they came to their positions. i mean, i think, look, there's a big fight going on here now in south carolina. marco rubio and ted cruz are engamged in a war for the second spot and truz is engaged in a war against donald trump, no doubt about it. but i think we got it understand where these candidates come from and also, by the way, as i'm sure you noticed, we learned a little more about rubio and electronic dance music and carson playing pool at home when he likes to relax and -- >> and cruz singing. >> and cruz likes a good scotch once in a while, singing to his wife. >> don't we all.
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especially on late nights like tonight. thank you, gloria. great job as usual. >> thank you. have fun. let's get started with our dream team. >> what did you think, donna? >> since i'm the resident democrat here. gloria is right. we got a chance to learn their musical taste. we learned maybe they're not redity make -- ready to make a joyful noise. ted cruz, he talked a little longer than orlt two in terms of his answers, but, again, tonight was about trying to appeal to a christian conservatives. i was in south carolina four years ago with the republicans. thank god i know a little bit about scripture so i wasn't off
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note. but tonight they were ptrying t appeal to that vote. >> as someone watching just as a viewer, i appreciated marco rubio's shorter, more succinct answers rather than the longer answers. am i the only one who felt that way? >> i think that's right. i was struck by the two different approaches that cruz and rubio took. clearly because of the platform, rubio tried to offer a bit more of a relatable candidate to people. he tried to talk directly to these voters with a much more common touch whereas i think because ted cruz was taking more of a prosecutorial approach against donald trump, he was taking longer answers. he had a very long case and evidence to offer. >> i kept going, okay, okay. i wanted him to address the viewer. i love my colleague anderson cooper but he kept say being anderson, anderson, anderson. if i'm speaking to kevin, if you ask me a question, i want to say
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kevin. >> it was less conversation, much more of a complicated prosecution of dpt. >> this was a chance for ted cruz to say this is who i am to viewers and he did not did that. he said ironically truth matters and then he went on to list donald trump's policies all incorrectly. >> the up side is he had 30, pa minutes of uninterrupted opportunities offer negative attacks on donald trump. the down side of that is the more negative candidate always end up losing. whereas rubio looked a lot more positive, he did come off as somewhat -- >> style clis the other big difference between ted cruz and marco rubio who are basically vying for the secondary spot, marco rubio's answers were all slated for a general electorate.
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but they were also palatable to the general electorate. ted cruz is going for the values voter in south carolina. he brought up social issue after social issue, which is very hard to translate. this makes mub yes's case for him that he's the guy who could win in a general. >> tonight seemed to be all about liar, liar, liar, liar pants on fire. everybody kept saying that. let's listen to some and then we'll discuss. >> if you say something that isn't true and you say it over and over againnd you know it's not true, there's no other word for it. when it's about your record, you have to clear it up, because if you don't, people say it must be true, he didn't dispute it beep saw what he did to dr. carson. which is wrong. someone wait a minute up with a fake facebook post saying trey gowdy office in longer supporting me. but i spend 99% of my time
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talking about america's future. it someone says something that's not true and i don't clear it up, that's not fair. people may think then it's true. >> donald trump, marco rubio both have said that you've lied, you're a liar. were they lying about that? >> i got to say, anderson, this is a strange election season, in many ways. both donald trump and marco rubio are following this pattern, that whatever anyone points to their actual record, to what they've said, to what they've voted on to what they've done, they start screaming liar, liar, liar. it's the oddest thing. i can't think of any precedent in any previous presidential election. ly not and have not responded in kind. i think the people of south carolina deserve more than people just throwing mud at each other.
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>> i'm not going to call anybody. you didn't hear that from me but this guy's a liar. >> listen, tonight certainly didn't have the fire of debates and sometimes dragged a bit. but you had a chance to see them in a more dethree-dimensional way, as gloria said. it's really important, when you make a judgment about these things, you think do i want that person in my living room for the next fours years? it's a major part how you respond to them, how people talk. in this sense i think ben carson was. most comfortable person you'd want in your lisk roving room. marco rubio, the way he talks,
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rat-a-tat-tat. if hugh he could talk like ted cruz he'd do better. and ted cruz, this is giving him an opening that i think he's used well tonight. do you want troouz in your living room the next four years? that's a harder question. >> we talked about voices and long-winded answers and that's what the audience will take away with that. the thing, too. he has to answer these questions in full. when he has two other candidates, the glop frop frontr and another figure that's beloved in the republican party, he has to take time to answer that question. people are using that charge all over the plarks republican voters who doesn't follow the tick tack of every campaign have to did a press conference. >> i felt like i was watching
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the old court tv. >> court tv between ted cruz and donald trump, i would watch that. he has to take the time to do that. it may be the deciding factor in the gop primary. >> i want toll you, you can see part two of our cnn gop town hall tomorrow night at 8:00. it's going to be very similar to this except it will be john kasich, jeb bush and donald trump. don't miss part two moderated by anderson tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. >> so he sent a cease and desist to ted cruz. ted cruz responded to it tonight on stage. now you just book a seat, right? not quite. sometimes those seats are out of reach,
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that's down in greenville, south carolina. tomorrow night is trump's turn, bush's turn, kasich's turn. it's going to be very interesting to watch that. back with me now, my dream team. a lot of people here. you think ted cruz had the most command of the issues. >> not only command of the issues but i think in terms of south carolina, who votes in a republican primary. his arguments i think would resonate more than anybody else's and resonate better. >> you were talking about evangelicals, 65% are jel evangelicals. many of them are white, blue collar, non-college educated and there are also college educated
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evangelicals. the noncollege evangelicals often volt on economic issues, sort of kitchen table issues. so it's not -- while cruz does speak about values voters and speak to those themes, it doesn't resonate with all evangelical voters. >> and ted cruz is doing pretty well, too. >> and marco is doing well. >> there's a reason that cruz in the first national poll we've seen is a tiny bit ahead. >> this is part of the key. we saw this play out in iowa. ted cruz had a very effective strategy to get the people who cared about those core issues
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and turn out. that's by appealing to people who really believe in these issues. donald trump attraction a new kind of vote are who may not care about the constitution as much, really just cares that america isn't great again. if a cruise can get to those people who will walk through glass to save their liberties because they feel like the country is in crisis, they will turn out in the vote and deliver a good showing. >> but there's reason that donald trump in the cnn poll is outpolling cruz with evangelicals in south carolina by 20%. evangelicals really want a fighter. i'm an evangelical. i look at donald trump and say this is someone who is going to fight for what i believe, not stand down. i think ted cruz would, too, but there's something that really appears to people about this rogue outsider. >> so you're evangelical? >> yes. >> i was trying to understand this. if you look at someone like a donald trump, who has evolved on people, you look at the two c e
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core -- corinthians. >> trump came out and he moved the entire field to the right beep are talking about potential live temporarily banning muslims from entring this country. he set that as the stake and we're debating on that margin instead of bedee baiting somewhere along the middle. and that's because trump came in and shook thup primary. >> did it make anyone uncomfortable, the whole lying part? they were calling each other liars. did it make anyone uncomfortable? >> this is south carolina. >> listen to ted cruz talk about
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this letter that donald trump sent to him and we'll discuss. >> you got a cease and desist letter from donald trump. i don't think i've ever heard of that happening in a race, one of the many first, that we've seen. what did you actually think when you got the letter? >> i'll confess, i laughed out loud. this has not been a typical race by any sense and i don't think anyone is surprised that donald is threatening to sue people, he's done that most of his whole life. i've practiced law 20 years and this pressed the bounds of the most ridiculous and frivolous letters i've ever seen. >> david geergen, i don't think this has ever snapped. >> i it k tell you, it has not happened if our lifetime. but people do informally december and dicyst. but send a legal document is very unusual.
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doesn't make any difference. i don't think it makes a lot of difference. what i do think we miss tonight is after one of these town hall, we need tom foreman, we need somebody to come out and call these guys on what they're saying. >> well, he's going to appear later in the show. >> donald trump has an enemies list. he has issued these kind of letters to people like the club for growth. he's threatened to sue reporters for writing stories he does not like. this guy is not representing any kind of conservative values. he is an enemy of political free speech. he doesn't like the ad being run against him because it hurt his political as respirations. it is not okay. >> he's doing this because he wants to distract ted cruz from his core message and that's exactly what he did. ted cruz keeps walking right into this trap.
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>> he was acting a little bit -- it seemed like he was acting moe like a staffer and less like a presidential candidate. >> so donald trump got into his head or something? >> a friend of mine said it's like watching that misherman and cruz went right for the bait. right for the bait. >> but if i may -- >> and describing the letter, he wasted almost an hour going line by lynn when he said have said, laughed, brought the letter out and did this and said -- >> a lot of progressives are going to be in control of the senate, as who is going to sit in the oval office? this is a very important election. did they get that message across, especially when it comes
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speaking of donald trump getting into people's heads,
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donna brazile in the commercial break, you're trying to get into my head. >> that's all i can get into, that's all can i get from you. >> we're back with the dream team, you guys were so and mitted mit -- animated. i think it was ego as well, that he's like i'm a constitutional -- i'm a lawyer, so i'm going to get up here and talk about the law and i don't know if it worked. >> for a moment it looked like he was arguing before the supreme court and not speaking to the american people, which is what he should have done. but how brilliant of donald trump to send this letter. he's been trying to make the point for days my record is being falsified by ted cruz. >> put up or shut up. >> i think he did fall into a trap. he did -- you can see him
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arguing in front of justices. these are one of his credentials, right, he knows the constitution, he's argued in front of the texas supreme court, the u.s. supreme court, he has this sort of legal expert, great. but the genius of anderson's questions, especially at the end where you really get to know the person, you get a sense. hi no idea marco rubio was color blind. what did i learn about ted cruz? i learned he can't tell a joke. it wasn't personal at all. the real ted cruz is a little gator, who is this hard core, furrow browed -- >> you're supposed to be the presidential candidate. >> this is analysis. >> we're giving him free advice. >> there's one thing i just find very funny. half the time ted cruz is
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criticized because he didn't on donald trump enough. now tonight he spends a good amount of time answering the charges and taking to donald trump and it like why on earth would do you that? ted cruz is not going to win with some. people on this panel. but do i agree with you, don, this is a sign of strength. they are going man to man against each other, ted cruz cannot take these attacks lying down. he has to show again and again he has the guts to take down donald trump one-on-one. >> but it is called a town hall, not a debate, a town, like you're speak together town folk. >> if it's over, then don't play to that. >> if he wants to ronald reagan, he was the closest one walking in his foot steps. he did it with humor, stilettos, a there you go again kind of line. it was more more effective than a legal brief. >> so i mentioned the supreme court. so here is ted cruz talking about the polls, about the
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supreme court and donald trump. listen. >> there's new poll out saying on the national race you are actually now in the lead moup does it feel out there for you? >> look, it feels fantastic what we're really seeing, we're seeing that old reagan coalition come together. it was interesting, anderson, in iowa, all the pundits in iowa say we didn't have a prayer. and then we saw record shattering turnout show up. you know what was so encouraging is the folks that came together, it was a old reagan coalition. so we won among conservative, we also won among eevangelicals and monday young people. and we ended up, our campaign earned more votes than any campaign in the history of the aye with wa republican caucuses.
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it really was a testament to the grass roots. this has the poe tns to dramatically shift the ball of power of the court. we have an election coming up in november. i think to 16 should be a concerned on the supreme court. it was striking, the last can republican debate came the same day we learned that justice scalia passed. up mentioned before the new hole today that has us in first place nationwide, the first time donald trump has not been in first place in many, many months. i think this is an important reason why, that people were looking at that stage and saying who do i know beyond a shadow of a doubt would nominate and fight could ton -- >> that was a very strong moment.. does nip disagree with that? >> no, would i agree.
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he's at his strongest when he is appealing to his core supporters that they are part of something bigger, that it's not just him, that he's a speak for this advance to really change the status quo and that the stakes in the election are so great. i think that is when he's at his strongest in. >> i probably would take the opportunity to nominate someone. it doesn't necessarily mean that that person is going to be acted on or confirm ld but why not do it. but heres the real problem. you know, the supreme court, a very important part of our governing system, was originally intended to consist of jurists who were people who loved america, people who fully understood our constitution and were there to make sure that
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america preserved its constitutional traditions. it was not supposed to be a partisan group. it has become very partisan. so as a result, everything that is done surrounding it, the picks, the confirmation hearings, deciding on whether to actual actually. >> there's nothing in the constitution that says he can't nominate someone that's what i want it to be. but i think it's going to be an issue in this campaign and the vote lrs be ail to way-in.
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>> he would not new ben carson and marco rubio should have been there. all they came about is whether they think the gop senate should block that nominee. they both -- >> you don't agree with that? >> we've all been waiting for the polls could out out. about whether the proceed osht or whether the congress should do anything.
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>> his answer was the most pragmatic and nonpoliticized. he's never run an selection lf or woman pete the in the flfrmt there's wisdom in it, if you don't like it, fine go, along with it, vote no. >> did he move the needle tonight, ben carson is this. >> i think he did slightly. i don't think he's going to come out and which but tonight we heard a man speak, who is not a politician and voters will be
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receptive. >> i agree that they're going to like him but they're going to vote for somebody else. >> ben carson for surgeon general. i thought that was a great idea. >> ben carson said he's not looking for a job and not hold hearings, we will litigate that in the fall. but i think the president has every right to fulfill his puente al fmt. >> and rubio as saying he wouldn't nominate. >> rudeio said there was an 80-year precedent, in which course they were wrong. >> this is a perfect factory because you and jobfrrmt
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ben carson came out tonight and said something about the issues of poverty. each listen. >> by the time we got to the 60, lbj is saying we, the government, is going to eliminate poverty. how did that work out? >> lyndon johnson, the poverty
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rate was 19%, his first full year in office. the recession in 2008 pushed it back um over 15% by 2010 and our latestful year that we have numbers from the census bureau, it's still about that high but all of this is below 19%. did he eliminate poverty? no, he did not, but it did not become more poverty, as mr. carson said. so we'll have to say his claim here is false. marco rubio went after the issue of the national debt saying this is a real threat to this country. listen. >> in less than five years being 83% of the federal budget will be consumed by medicare, medicaid, social security and interest on the debt. that means only 17% of our budget left for everything else, including the military. >> 83% of the budget, that's a whopping number. let's look at the numbers. that's his projection. however, other projections here that are pretty reliable are
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saying it's more likely 60% by 2021 in those five years. this is a whopping number. it is a jien concern to many people, but he jefr reached by going up to 83%. we're going to say his claim is also false. >> and ted cruz said donald trump is all about planned parenthood. >> donald trump explained how many wonderful things planned parenthood was was. >> sing the praises. there's no doubt his position on abortion rights has changed overtime. but now he says he's firm by
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pro-life. he has positive things about planned parenthood, offering cancer screenings to women and other medical services. the other day he went out of his way to say i do not support them on abortion rights. while he said something that was essentially true, it was misleading. thank you for having me in. i was at home in my pajamas eating gleechs. i had to jump up -- >> [ laughter ] >> he didn't create more poverty. your point was? >> as a percentage of popt lags, poverty has gone down since lbj. not very much but it's gone down. but the number of people on
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poverty has actually gone up because we have a much bigger population. i think in defense on that point of dr. carson, i think there was a point about poverty continuing to go up. >> and there's a larger philosophical arguments he's trying to make and that is federal programs in and of themselves can't end poverty, you have to have institutions in our culture that can help. you have to have institutional changes and institutions like marriage, like work must improve. there isn't work available for many men and women out there. government may be work in tandem with the other elements of our culture. i think has what ben was trying to make the point of. >> you also have the great investigation of 2007-2008 of millions of americans lost their jobs, 800,000 jobs being lost every month during that period.
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now we had 71 months of consecutive job growth but we still have persistent structural problems that keep people to follow l dreams. >> we have say something. rubio on entitlements, mr. tom foreman found his assertion false. >> there were a few things that rubio said that were false. first of all, he referred to obama's too two unconstitutional executive orders and if ted cruz were there, he would have chimed in and said those executive orders, on univision be you said you wouldn't appeal that on day one. on libya,ed he acted as if he e aposed to toppling gadhafi.
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>> i worked for president ford in a campaign and i can tell you, reagan shocked us but it wasn't that we disliked him. we were just in usa beep had no idea he would do so well. he almost took the nomination away from a sitting president. everybody liked him. >> what does mean to you? you think it means to the voter, that his assertion -- cruz's assertion on trump and abortion, it was true but mislead persian gulf. >> it was so mislead ing. >> tom says true but mislead persian gulf. >> donald trump said planned parenthood is an abortion factory that trades baby parts like automobile parts. who do you declare he's okay with that and twoopts keep it funded. >> i don't think it's totally opposite. it's a legitimate charge that he
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makes and -- >> what charge? >> that cruz makes about donald trump supporting planned parenthood. many conservatives will look at that question as you either stand with or against. they judge donald trump very harshly when they see him making positive statements. >> it is a totally legitimate issue about whether the government ought to fund planned parenthood. what is incorrect is that planned parenthood is totally an abortion factory. planned parent himself done a lot of great things that have nothing to do with abortion, so to take that broad brush and paint them is wrong. >> you can't separate the issues. >> can you separate the facts.
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>> planned parenthood is the biggest provider of abortion. it is government funded at the same time. i'm not arguing with you -- >> do you accept -- >> >> if it's a lie, you should be able to call it out. that's donald trump's argue i bet. >> what about the most of what they do? >> it's a fundamental part of what they do. >> they save lives. we're not going to litigate this issue but they save many lives. >> this is where we get had trouble. we have a primary argument that is totally unsenable whup get to a general electorate. ted cruz may have won tonight but that answer is not going to win in november. >> this is what people are discussing as they are watching the television and figure out who they're going to vote for. >> we'll continue talking about this and republican candidates talking about the issue of race in this country. we'll be right back.
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the political dream team back with me now. i said republican candidates before the break but it's really republican candidate because
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marco rubio is the only one who fielded a question about race. he talked about his black friend who is a cop getting pulled over and people saying to him when he was a kid, go back home, as cuban american. what do you think a republican candidate saying driving while black is real zip o like to hear every republican candidate answer this question. these are issues facing the electorate. i've written about it, a lot of us have written about this. whenever you have a group of americans who feel justice isn't being served to them, you have a rocky foundation for rule law. that's essentially the argument that marco rubio made. if people feel disenfranchised, the system isn't serving them. had he had his own articulation for why this is problematic. he balanced the be cops and the goold job they're doing with the very real discrimination that still exists. >> it was so powerful when he
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analogized that experience to his experiences as a child. it was such an innocent moment that not understanding that racism was at play and comparing it to racism that still exists in society today. >> would it behoof the other candidates to say, you know, and showing that they have an ability to demonstrate he can cook for people. that's why this format worked particularly well for him because he that relatability. >> ten seconds, david? >> the townshouse looks human. >> i really enjoyed this.
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please come back. we'll see part two of the town hall tomorrow night at 8:00. who will come out on top? don't miss the cnn gop presidential town hall, tomorrow night at 8:00 a.m. we'll have analysis with some of these great folks as well. if you missed part one of our town hall, can you catch the whole thing in just a moment. thanks. can a business have a mind? a subconscious.
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don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. and a good evening from the historic old cigar warehouse in greenville, south carolina. i'm anderson cooper. about 15 minutes from now, the first two of cnn republican town hall events. tonight, dr. ben carson, marco rubio and ted cruz. they'll answer your questions, addressing concerns they have as they get ready to make their choice here saturday. to say it's been a busy and bruising day does not begin to describe it. tonight's three candidates have been criss-crossing the state making nearly a dozen stops between them. senator rubio picked up a key


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