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republicans running for president taking tough questions on the cnn town hall stage. who made the best case to voters? good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm miguel marquez. >> nice to see you. i'm christine romans. another late night. thursday, february 18th. 4:00 a.m. in the east. let's talk about that. republican candidates making their cases to cnn viewers in the first of two town hall events. this meet the voter town hall, two of them come as a new national poll shows ted cruz edging ahead of donald trump by a two point margin.
it is just one poll. trump holding a commanding lead in the next two states to vote. nevada and south carolina. scene of the back-to-back town halls. gloria borger has the latest. >> reporter: christine and miguel, candidates tried to take a break from the heat of the campaign last night here in greenville, south carolina. some of them like marco rubio, actually succeeded when he tried to present himself as the unifier in the republican party. >> my promise to you if i'm the nominee, i'm not just going to unify the republican party. i'm going to grow it. we will take the message. >> reporter: it was not all sweetness and like. rubio doubled down on the charges against cruz as being a liar. >> i said he has been lying because if you say something that is not true and you say it over and over, there is no other
word for it. you have to clear up your record. if you don't, it has to be true because he did not dispute it. we saw the fake facebook post saying trey gowdy is no longer endorsing me. >> reporter: cruz could not resist taking on donald trump one more time. >> it is literally the most ridiculous theory that telling the voters what donald trump's actual record is is deceitful and lying. i held a press conference and i read his letter to everyone. i invited donald trump. >> reporter: there was the lighter side of the candidates. >> what do you do to relax? >> play pool. >> play pool? >> i love to play pool. >> are you competitive when you play pool? >> i like to win. >> i actually grew up listening to '90s hip hop.
in the last few years, you have the electronic dee jays taking electronic music and overlaying it with country music. the music is clean and beats are fun. >> i sing things like "oh, my darling heidi-tine." which is corny. i would put it on speaker phone in her office and embarrass her. ♪ i just called to say i love you ♪ i cannot not sing to save my life. >> reporter: donald trump and jeb bush and john kasich take the stage with anderson cooper. >> marco rubio is color blind.
>> ted cruz cannot sing. is cute with his wife. >> and ben carson plays pool. that's what i learned last night. >> i learned they are all smelling blood in the water on donald trump and going after him hard. >> there's that. >> to assess all of that in the town hall, we are joined by cnn's josh rogan. >> i'm dedicated. >> you are a monster. you are a machine, my friend. >> anything for you. >> thank you for being here. >> you watched the entire thing. what did you see that jumped out at you? >> a couple of things. there was a big break with cruz and rubio with foreign policy. you saw two competing visions for where the republicans should go. rubio defended invasion of libya. ted cruz advocated the exact opposite policy. you saw marco rubio that was
really energized by recent endorsements and rising numbers in polls. it not clear the endorsements will result in actual votes. it is given the campaign momentum. he is feeling the wind beneath his sails. you saw ben carson enjoy the format. this is a guy who cannot get a word in edge wise. not suited to his cadence. people got to hear ben carson's views. >> that's why i like the town hall format. we will have three more candidates tonight. let's stick with marco rubio. he got that endorsement from nicki haley. her party has tapped on numerous occasions. listen to what marco rubio said
about the endorsement. >> if you look how far we have come since the 1960s and how south carolina has come from where it is today from 30 years ago, it is amazing. i got the endorsement of a governor of indian descent and tomorrow campaigning alongside the african-american senator. all three in south carolina. that says a lot about the republican party. >> both of them are gen xers. >> you are seeing marco rubio make the argument that he matches up best against hillary clinton. he's got youth and experience. he can appeal to minority voter blocks. that is his frame for why he would be able to carve off in the general election that some other candidates wouldn't.
i would not overestimate the nicki haley endorsement. she came out early in 2012 for mitt romney. we're in a year where it is all about railing against the establishment. having the insider sitting governor is nice, it couldn't hurt, but it is not clear that will make a difference. >> the huge piece here is that national poll that nbc/wall street journal shows cruz two points over trump. that is a tiny margin. he was 13 points down the last time that poll was taken in october. all of the candidates that drop out, their votes seem to be going to everybody but trump. is this the end of trump? >> i think what you are seeing is trump and these are national polls. i think what you are seeing is trump has a ceiling.
everyone knew that trump had a ceiling. trump was benefitting from the fact that the electorate was split with the 15 candidates, depending on when we talk about it. as the field is whittled down, all the non trump voters, 70% in this state, they will coalesce. they will go past trump in the numbers. south carolina is the first real test of that. as we get further and further down into the later and later states, we're going to see that. if trump maxes out at 35%, if he is against five people, that is good for trump. two people, that is bad for trump. >> his supporters have said you have under estimated him from the get-go. this is a guy who is getting people out. a guy who has amazing support. we will hear from him tonight. he is one of the three
candidates tonight. i want to listen to what ted cruz said. it is almost impossible to watch this presidential election with say grade school kids. there is all this calling back and forth of called liars. bragging and liars. it is such an odd and different political season. that's something that ted cruz remarked about. listen. >> this is a strange election season. in many ways. both donald trump and marco rubio are following this pattern that whenever anyone points to their actual record to what they said and voted on and what they have done. they start screaming liar, liar, liar. it is the oddest thing. i cannot think of any precedent. from my end, i have not and will not respond in kind. if they want to engage in personal insults and go to the
mud, i will not say the same about them. >> the lying accusations flying. does that hurt or help these candidates? sort it out. >> it is interesting on two levels. on the one hand, if you are ted cruz, you are trying to lump marco rubio and donald trump in the same camp. they are saying the same thing. therefore, i'm the best alternative. it is interesting. rubio and trump haven't approached in the same way. trump sent a letter. a cease and desist letter to ted cruz about his ad which showed trump expressing support for the pro-choice position many years ago. if you watch ted cruz in the town hall last night, he was very specific and very verbose about the legal implications of sending a cease and desist letter. donald trump is very letigious.
donald trump has gone farther than marco rubio. he stepped into it because if he wants to get into a legal battle with a lawyer who has argued before the supreme court, that is a legal battle he will have tough time winning. >> and going after donald trump's credibility as a conservative. josh rogen, thank you. three candidates down. three to go. interesting to see how donald trump does tonight. one more cnn town hall live from south carolina tonight. john kasich, jeb bush and donald trump will answer directly to voters. coverage begins tonight at 8:00 p.m. only here on cnn. a republican heavyweight speaking out in favor of president obama with the chance to name antonin scalia's replacement. on the supreme court, retired justice sandra day o'connor says
we need someone to get on with it. and the white house is not giving any reason for not attending the funeral. the obamas will pay respects as scalia lies in repose tomorrow. the plan to visit cuba next month as part of the trip around latin america for president obama. this comes as the u.s. rebuilds ties after a half century of sanctions and estrangement. marco rubio and ted cruz both criticized the president's plan saying he should push for a free cuba. apple refusing to help the government unlock the iphone of the san bernardino terrorist. presidential candidates weighing in on that battle. we'll have that coming up. i think we should've taken a left at the river. tarzan know where tarzan go! tarzan does not know where tarzan go. hey, excuse me,
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apple is fighting a court order requiring it to give the fbi encrypted access of the gunman syed rizwan farook. it is called an unprecedented step that threatens all apple customers. the company appears willing to take the fight all the way to the supreme court if necessary. we get more from cnn's evan perez. >> reporter: christine and miguel, the boattle lines are drawn over national security. apple plans to appeal a court
order to require it to help the fbi break into the iphone carried by one of the terrorist who killed 14 people in san bernardino in december. in a letter to customers, tim cook says, quote, the government is asking apple to hack our own users and undermine decades of security. the obama administration says the court order applies to one phone. all apple has to do is get around a security feature that destroys data if someone enters the pass code wrongly ten times. josh earnest. >> this case doesn't require apple to change or redesign software or create a new back door. a specific request by the department of justice and a
judge agreed with them. >> reporter: you can see why the justice department choose this case. we are talking about a terrorist attack that killed 14 people. the phone is owned by his employer, the county government which gave consent to the fbi and the employee is dead. this could help the government. thank you for that. the fight over your privacy and national security. the three republican candidates in the cnn town hall all sided with the government. >> this concerns the phone of the san bernardino hacker. for a law enforcement to get a search order, that is consistent. >> apple needs to sit down with the trusted members of the government. >> i do know this. it will take a partnership with the technology industry and government to confront and solve this. >> google's ceo wrote several
tweets last night. he is backing apple. he says quote, important posts by tim cook forcing companies to enable hacking could compromise users privacy. the ceo of apple sent to its customers and to the government. look, google acknowledge there is are challenges to protect the public, but warns against the troubling precedent. edward snowden defended apple yesterday. fbi is creating a world where citizens defend on apple to defend its rights rather than the other way around. >> this is an argument of balance of freedom of information and your rights. the alleged leader of the plot to attack the anti-islam cartoon exhibit on trial in texas. he was obsessed with isis and
sent a team on a mass murder. this event show cased art work in garland, texas last year. two gunmen in a shootout. the defense dismissed the charges of a case of overactive imagination by the government. the suspect in the so-called d.c. mansion murders indicted on 20 charges, including first-degree murder. the 35-year-old darren wyndt. he was charged with aggravating circumstances. a deadly explosion in turkey. details on that attack after the break.
she has more details and arwa, this is so troubling for the people of turkey. this is the third major devastating attack. clearly turkey's help against isis is hurting it at home. >> reporter: well, here's the problem, christine, this attack unlike previous attacks at the turkish government blamed on isis, the turkey government says it was a syrian national that played it out. this was a member of the ypg. that is the same ypg that is one of the united states allies with the syrian battle field. this attack happened just down the road behind where we are standing. at least 28 people have been killed. at least 61 more wounded. the turkish government identified the attacker as the syrian national who is a member of the ypg, but detained nine
other members of a network. turkey is vowing to up the ante when it comes to its own battle against the ypg inside syria. it has been making significant gains thanks to the u.s.-led coalition, but thanks to capitalizing on the battle field chaos in northern syria due to the russian air strikes and syrian regime advances. turkey has the ongoing battle with the separatist group pkk happening within its own bordered and the ypg. if this sounds complicated, it is. now you have the added dimension to it. it is blaming a key u.s. ally causing more tensions and rifts between turkey and nato members.
stage. ted cruz, marco rubio, ben carson. taking tough questions from south carolina voters. we breakdown the big moments and the big momentum for some of the candidates. welcome back to "recall start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm miguel marquez. it is 31 minutes past the hour. breaking overnight. republican presidential candidates making their cases to viewers in the first of two town hall events. the meet the voter town halls comes as ted cruz is edging ahead of donald trump by a two point margin. donald trump holding a commanding lead in nevada and south carolina. scene of the back-to-back town halls. cnn's gloria borger is there with the latest. >> reporter: christine and miguel, republican candidates tried to take a break from the heat of the campaign last night here in greenville, south carolina. some of them like marco rubio actually succeeded when he tried
to present himself as the unifier in the republican party. >> my promise to you if i'm the nominee, i'm not just going to unify the republican party. i'm going to grow it. we will take the message to people who have not voted for republicans in a long time. >> reporter: it was not all sweetness. rubio doubled down on the charges against cruz as being a liar. >> i said he has been lying because if you say something that isn't true over and over, there is no other word for it. when it is about your record and you don't clear it up, it must be true. he didn't dispute it. we saw what he did to dr. carson in iowa, which is wrong. somebody came up with a fake facebook post who is no longer endorsing me. >> reporter: cruz couldn't resist taking on donald trump one more time. >> it is quite literally the most ridiculous theory i ever
heard. telling the voters who donald trump's actual record is deceitful and lying. i held a press conference and i read his letter. i invited trump. i said please, file this lawsuit. >> reporter: then the lighter side of the candidates. >> what do you do to relax? >> play pool. >> play pool? >> i love to play pool. >> are you competitive when you play pool? >> i like to win. >> i actually grew up listening to '90s hip hop. in the last few years, you have the electronic dee jays that are taking electronic music and overlaying it with tracks from country music. the lyrics are clean and beats are fun. >> i actually don't sing musicals. i sing things like -- ♪ oh my darling heidi-tine
which is really corny. she used to put it on speaker phone in her office and embarrass her. or ♪ i just called to say i love you ♪ ♪ i called to say i care >> i cannot sing to save my life. >> reporter: tonight, john kasich and jeb bush and donald trump take the stage with anderson cooper. back to you. >> singing is always risky. unless you are a kid. now to assess the town hall. we are joined by josh rogen live in our washington bureau. >> he actually watched the debate. he's here. >> we love it. he is like the college all nighters. you are cramming for the test. getting all that information. your assessment. donald trump was not on the stage. two nights of the town halls. three candidates one night. three candidates the other night. allowing them a full discussion.
i heard them attacking donald trump who was not on the stage. is that what you heard? >> absolutely. he has to be the number one target. he's the man to beat. this is the only time that these candidates will have this much national coverage where they can attack donald trump and he can't attack them back. they have a monopoly on that time. donald trump will get his chance tonight. donald trump is not a guy who will spend lots of answers describing policy positions and plans. so you can be assured he will spend time responding to the attacks we heard last night. launching new attacks of his own. reinforcing his calls on ted cruz to settle the issue of his natural born citizenship and reinforcing all of the broad statements that he's made about all these candidates. >> i'll call this for all the candidates. they all seem to echo this. the liar, liar, pants on fire
strategy. they are really going after this. cruz more than anybody against trump. here's what he had to say. >> this is a strange election season. in many ways. both donald trump and marco rubio are following the pattern that whenever anyone points to their actual record, to what they said and what they voted on and what they have done, they start screaming liar, liar, liar. this is the oddest thing. i cannot think of any precedent. for my end, i will not respond in kind. if they want to go to the mud, i will not say the same thing about them. >> this is what donald trump says he is doing with his advertising. are they scoring points on donald trump? that nbc/wall street journal
national poll is revealing. it puts cruz two points over trump, but trump was up so far ahead of him in the previous poll of the nbc/wall street journal. >> trump and rubio have the same calculation. after that, they can figure out what happens next. i think what you are seeing is ted cruz is taking a little more risk with his ads and mailers and robo calls. whether or not they are lies is subjective. they definitely push the envelope, especially in south carolina where dirty tricks are tradition. by making big hay out of these incidents, they are giving ted cruz a brushback pitch. if you are going to do this, there will be a price to pay. going forward, the cruz campaign d can decide to take that risk. it is a one thing.
cruz said he is not a good singer. i think he was honest about that. >> that was the truth. >> ben carson says he likes to play pool. marco rubio is color blind. those are the other things i learned from the trivia file. let's listen to what marco rubio said about race. >> i personally know someone who happens to be a police officer and a young african-american male. who told me he has been pulled over seven times in the last few years and never gets a ticket. what is he supposed to think? whether you agree with him or not, i happen to see this happen. when you agree with him or not. if a significant percentage of the american family believes they are treated differently, we have a problem. >> this is a discussion we have been hearing on the democratic side. maybe it is a sign that he knows exactly who he is talking to. a more diverse audience. >> the african-american vote
factors in more heavily on the democratic primary in south carolina. you see marco rubio making a general election pitch. that is his narrative. every candidate has a narrative wi about why he can win. he says he is in touch with minorities and he can represent them in a possible battle with hillary clinton and bernie sanders who may not appeal as much to minority or youth voters. >> we have this other debate or town hall coming up tonight. obviously the three candidates there have taken it all in. kasich playing the moderate. i assume he will continue with that. what does donald trump need to do tonight to turn the tide here? >> oh, donald trump's basic strategy is to control the news cycle by making news. he will say things that are so shocking and so news worthy they
are designed to create headlines. he has to give long answers about proposals. can he come up with that? i was watching cnn last night. other people were watching the town hall that donald trump had last night. he was challenged to name his national security advisers. he couldn't do it. when he is faced with voters who want real information and want real policies, not just the attacks and insults. that's where he really falls short. so that's going to be his challenge. we will see jeb bush fighting for his life. you saw in the national cnn poll. 4% nationally. that's not good. he is about 10% barely in south carolina. this is jeb bush's last stand. he will have to pull some tricks out of his bag in order to really make his case for why he should stay in the race past this weekend. >> he's clearly in trouble.
the msnbc/wall street journal poll as well. who would republicans trust as president? rubio, cruz and carson over trump and bush. trump over bush. amazing numbers. josh rogin. more coffee for you. see you in a bit. one more cnn republican town hall live tonight. john kasich and jeb bush and donald trump. at 8:00 p.m. a republican heavyweight speaking out in favor of president obama. getting a chance to name antonin scalia's replacement. retired justice sandra day o'connor says we need somebody in there to do the job and get on with it. now the slam of not attending the funeral of antonin scalia. the obamas will pay respects as scalia lies in repose tomorrow.
happening today, the white house will announce president obama's plan to visit cuba next month as part of the trip around latin america. the visit comes as the country rebuilds ties with the estranged country. let's get an early start on your money. stocks have now cut the year's terrible losses in half in just three days. dow futures are holding on to slim gains this morning. crude above $31 a barrel. stock markets in europe are mixed. strong results in asia overnight. the first time this year that the dow and s&p 500 put three higher days together. the dow up 794 points in three little days. a week ago, the dow was down 10% for the year. it is now down just 5.6%.
analysts are saying the worst may be over for this quarter. driving the rally, oil prices are climbing. the second is u.s. economy is holding strong. the fed is cautious. the initial plan for four rate hikes this year. that is looking highly unlikely. that is what stock investors wanted to hear. >> i just get so excited when you get excited about the stock market. you are a money nerd. >> if you have a 401(k), you care. >> i don't look. i keep charging ahead. a showdown over the locked iphone owned by the san bernardino terrorist. why apple doesn't want to help the u.s. government open it up. next.
apple is fighting a court order over the iphone of syed rizwan farook. tim cook says this is a matter of security for all customers. the company appears willing to take the fight all the way to the supreme court. we get more from evan perez. >> reporter: christine and miguel, battle lines are drawn with the justice department. one battle over privacy and national security. in the coming days, apple plans
to appeal a court order to require it to help break into the iphone carried by one of the terrorists who killed 14 people in san bernardino in december. ceo tim cook says the government wants the company to build a back door in the operating system. in a letter to customers, cook says the government is asking apple to hack our own users. the obama administration says that the court order applies to this one phone. all they have to do is get around a security feature that destroys data if someone enters the pass code incorrectly ten times. press secretary josh earnest. >> this case doesn't require apple to redesign software or create a new back door. this is a specific request the department of justice has made and a judge agreed with them.
>> reporter: you can see why the justice department chose this case to fight this issue. we are talking about a terrorist attack that killed 14 people. the phone is owned by his employer, the county government, which given consent to the fbi. the terrorist is dead. all of this could help the government's case. christine and miguel. >> thank you, evan. tim cook, the ceo of apple saying we're doing this for your privacy. we don't like the san bernardino situation. we don't want to help terrorists, but this is a situation of privacy and creating back door to be used in the future to hurt everyone. the google ceo coming out and supporting apple. the three candidates at the town hall, all three of them supported the government. >> security and national security. i think the better example, really is the paris attacks and
how they were unable to pick up communications there as horrible as it sounds, i think the government makes a strong case when it says it needs some access at some point for that information. >> this is just the beginning. this could go to the supreme court. the alleged leader of the plot to attack anti-islam cartoon exhibit is on trial in texas. abdul karim was obsessed with isis and sent a team of terrorists on a mass murder. in garland, texas last year, killing several and injuring many. the suspect in the so-called d.c. mansion murders indicted on 20 charges. including a dozen counts. 35-year-old darren win. it is wint is accused of killing
the family. he faces multiple life sentences if convicted. the human and health secretary will travel to flint, michigan. michigan governor rick snyder under pressure to take quick action is giving outside engineers a month to locate the underground pipes leeching lead into the pipes in the water system. is to bstocks are in rally . the year's losses are cut in half in three days. that's why you don't sell. early start on your money is next.
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turkish leaders know who was behind the attack in the capital city. more than 30 people were killed after the convoy was hit near the parliament building. we have senior correspondent arwa damon here in turkey. arwa, a huge crisis. where does this attack come down in all that. >> reporter: yes, miguel, turkey is dealing with the challenges. what we have which is happening now which is an added dynamic is a complicated and deadly situation. in the past, attacks happened in turkey. the government has blamed on isis. in this case, this attack targeting the military personnel convoy. it is being blamed by the turks on the ypg.
the ypg is as we know the kurdish fighting force that is america's main ally inside syria. you can just imagine what that is potentially going to do for the turkish/u.s. relations which is already strained. turkey views as a terrorist organization. an extension of the separatist group the pkk that turkey has been battling against within its own borders. along those lines, turkey over the last few days has been launching an intent of barrage of artillery in turkey. turkey is blaming it on the member of the ypg. it means that in turkey's perspecti perspective, this is proof that the ypg is a terrorist organization. we her prior to this attack, the
turkish president says turkey will have to decide between the two. trying not only to navigate the complex of the syrian battle field, but try to continue to maintain a relationship with a fellow nato member. miguel. >> turkey torn by this and a fraught situation in syria. arwa damon, thank you. almost the end of the hour. let's get an early start on your money. the stock market winning streak. dow futures higher. first high we had all year. oil prices are higher which is helping the rally along with comments from the federal reserve. showing concern about the global market chaos. european stock markets are mixed. strong gains in tokyo. bottom line, miguel, the losses for the year, the dow on the year have been cut in half in just three days.
800-point rally in three days. iran just returned to the global oil market. iran causing a stir among the world's oil producers. iran's oil minister supports the agreement by saudi arabia and russia to cap production, but iran might not do it. iran just started pumping again after the sanctions lifted. it wants the money. it wants to be a player after years on the sidelines. it wants to get as much oil in the marketplace as possible to make money and increase market share. that agreement to cap production comes when iran wants to pump as much as possible. the relationship with saudi arabia is tarnished with the political tensions. watch the space with iran and oil and oil prices. the cheapest gas in the world is getting more expensive. venezuela is raising prices. venezuela's economy is just a
shambles. the president says the litre of gas will cost close to 10 cents. venezuela is home to 30 million people. one of the largest oil producers in the world. oh, the politics of oil. >> petra politics. >> iran jumping in the game as the price about that. not a great time. irony. "early start" continues right now. >> republicans running for president taking tough questions on the cnn town hall stage. who made the best case to voters? welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm miguel marquez. breaking overnight. republican candidates making their cases to cnn viewers in the first of two town hall events. the meet the voter town halls
come as new national polls show ted cruz edging ahead of donald trump by a two point margin. trump holding a commanding lead in the next two states. nevada and south carolina. scene of the back-to-back town halls. chief political analyst gloria borger is there. >> reporter: christine and miguel, republican candidates try to take a break from the heat of the campaign last night here in greenville, south carolina. some of them like marco rubio actually succeeded when he tried to present himself as the unifier in the republican party. >> my promise to you if i'm the nominee, i'm not just going to unify the republican party. i'm going to grow it. we will take our message to the people. >> reporter: it was not all sweet. rubio doubled down on his charges against cruz as being a liar. >> i said he has been lying because if you say something that isn't true and say ive