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republicans running for president on cnn town hall stage. donald trump, jeb bush, john kasich getting asked tough questions from voters. we're breaking down the big moments. welcome to "early start." i'm cristina alesci. >> i'm miguel marquez. it is 4:00 a.m. here on the east coast. breaking overnight. republican candidates taking on tough questions from south carolina voters in a cnn town hall. bush on whether he still has a chance to win. kasich on whether his upbeat message works for an angry
electora electorate. trump on his fight with the pope after the pontiff criticized trump on immigration. cnn's phil mattingly has more from south carolina. >> reporter: miguel and cristina. a day filled with clashes. jeb bush versus marco rubio and donald trump versus the pope. >> i don't like fighting with the pope. i don't think it was a fight. i think it was reported tougher by the media. he is doing a good job. i think he was very much miss interpreted. i think he was given false information. >> would you like to meet with him? >> i think it would be very interesting. >> reporter: trump, one day after sending a cease and desist letter.
>> would you send cease and desist letters? >> i would send them to china to stop ripping us off. i would send them to mexico. when i say cease and desist, maybe the equivalent. >> reporter: jeb bush saying the talk of his campaign failing is premature. >> if you look at the polls and crowd sizes and enthusiasm that exists. >> reporter: and taking on criticism of being an intro vert. >> you will appreciate this. introverts set goals and grind. they go at it. which is a pretty good thing to be when you are running for president and written off over and over. >> reporter: john kasich after the poignant time on the campaign trail. >> you have to celebrate other people's wins and sometimes you have to sit with them and cry. that's what we need in this country.
>> reporter: all three have one more day of campaigning in south carolina. donald trump, the clear frontrunner, all three look like they're on the glide path. the moment is urgent. especially jeb bush. for john kasich, it is about proving the momentum following that second place finish in new hampshire is for real. cristina and miguel. >> joining us to break this all down and the town hall political going on, we have tom lobianco in washington. >> up all night and here with us today. we love you. way to go. >> thank you for being up. what were the big moments last night? what did you take away from the town hall? >> i love that phil mattingly intro earlier. it sounded like an intro to a pro wrestling or "monday night raw" or something. >> "game of thrones."
>> that's exactly it. >> we have to ask about trump. for the first time he was challenged on comments he made about the iraq war. you know, he has been out criticizing it a bit and criticizing the bush record on it. last night, he was confronted with the clip that was released on buzzfeed that has him supporting the war once it started. was that a weak moment for him? >> absolutely. you could see he didn't know how to answer that. that was big news that broke yesterday. when he talked about the war in the past at rallies, he says he was right which is very interesting in a republican primary because more often the candidates tend to side with george w. bush. the last sitting republican president who made that decision. but he goes after the bush family. he goes after george w. on that
decision. here he is in september 11th, 2002, on the howard stern show saying it was good. >> we have that sound. let's take a listen to it. >> i literally was handed this. a report now out on buzzfeed that i have not heard it. includes an audio clip of you on howard stern talking in september of 2002. he said are you for invading iraq. you said i guess so. is that accurate? do you remember saying that? >> i could have said that. nobody asked me. i wasn't a politician. probably the first time anybody asked me that question. >> a much more demure donald trump like we have never seen him. not taking any pot shots.
there was a big kerfuffle. and the pope of all people who went to the border and prayed at the border with immigrants and basically said for somebody who talks about building walls, he is not a christian. john kasich addressed that. >> i don't question people's christiani christianity. that is the issue they have with their lord and savior. >> i'm pro pope. put me in the pro pope column. we have a walls between us. we have too many walls. we need to fix the walls in washington. >> so bush and kasich weighing in on this. i thought it shocking when trump started this with the pope and he spoke on the plane with more
ease about what's going out there. what did you make of how this came off? is this going to hurt him in south carolina taking on the pope like this? >> well, it is unclear how much this hurts anyone running for the conservative base in south carolina. you know, i think there's general acceptance that the pope is much more liberal than some of his predecessors. certainly on american social issues. economic issues. and that plays well. if you are going to take on somebody who is a liberal, that plays well with the conservative base. trump last night said he didn't agree with the pope. he said earlier he would love to talk with him. he didn't back down from that comment. >> so he did sound a little bit
softer about it. >> much softer. on cruz and suing cruz, he is now looking at the situation in indiana where cruz may be sued. it doesn't sound like it's a real effort, but he is making a big deal about that. still floating the idea of cruz facing a lawsuit over being born in canada. >> a cease and desist? >> i have a lot of lawyers. i like to send letters. i think he has a lot of other cases. the other case is whether or not, i understand he got sued today. he will be sued by a lot of people. he will be sued by the democrats if he got the nomination which i don't think he will. i don't think he's got a very good chance of getting it. he was sued today on the fact he was born in canada. a big problem. >> i have to wonder how legal action plays with voters who
aren't trump supporters? >> never a popular stand in the conservative side of america. this is confusing to me, tom. make it make sense. >> it is funny to watch trump come back from this. if you are in trump world or trump supporter or on the campaign, what you are looking at is cruz is someone who won't go away. he is not disappearing after iowa and new hampshire. you had other candidates fall off. you saw marco rubio stumble in new hampshire at the debate. you know, cruz has been there. you know, right there just in second place in most polling. it doesn't look like anyone will beat trump in south carolina, but once you get out of south carolina and once you start getting out to the super tuesday states and you get out to the
delegate fight that we with see around the nation, that's where it gets dangerous for him. especially if there is diluted field on the establishment side. the last thing he wants is a mono y mono cruz and trump fight. >> thank you, tom. we will have you back. the white house says there's no plan for president obama to meet with fidel castro on his trip to cuba, but he will sit down with raul castro and raise concerns of human rights and freedoms for the cuban people. the president and first lady will travel to cuba next month. he will be the first sitting u.s. president to visit the communist island nation in almost seven decades. he will interact with members of the cuban civil society. today, president obama and
the first lady will pay respects to the late supreme court justice antonin scalia. his body will lie in repose in the great hall. in a few hours, the loved ones of scalia and eight remaining justices will have a private ceremony and join the public viewing. critics have slammed the president for skipping the funeral mass on saturday. the white house citing security as a factor. and time for an early start on your money. the winning streak for stocks is over. the rally ran out of steam yesterday with the dow dropping 40 points as the gains in oil faded. it was just the eighth time this year that blue chips didn't move more than 100 points in either direction. that put a small dent in the major rally over the past four sessions. the dow is up 750 points in the past week. here is where the three major averages stand for the year.
dow is off 5.8%. nasdaq is the biggest loser down 10%. the s&p 500 sliding 6.1%. stock futures right now slightly higher. oil is down. europe is mixed. asia finished lower. >> i want stocks to get better. it would be nice. >> so exciting they are not going in one direction. >> i'm over it. >> i need to keep my job. >> it's good work for you. donald trump versus the pope. we are breaking down that controversy and new reaction this morning live from rome.
a few minutes ago, you heard donald trump firing back at the pope for criticizing him. the pope is flying back from mexico to rome. pope francis was asked about trump's plans to deport millions of undocumeumented immigrants a build a wall along mexico. here is the pope's response. >> a person who thinks only about building walls wherever they may be located and not building bridges not christian. this is not in the gospel. as far as if you asked if i would vote or not vote. i would not get into that. i only think this man is not a christian if he said things like that. >> and trump in good style. no religious leader, quote,
should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. so following the town hall, where do things stand with the vatican? cnn's rosa flores is in rome for us this morning. has the pope ever injected himself in a race like this before? >> reporter: we have not received a response from the vatican regarding trump's responses on the papal plane and no, historically the pope has not injected himself in a presidential election because he is the pope and leader of the roman catholic church. historically he would not endorse a candidate for example. i think the background and context is very important here. we got some of the background from the spokesperson of the vatican. fr. lombardi. this was in response to a
question from a journalist as well. he said a lot of the times pope francis speaks about different topics and people may think they are political or social. fr. lombardi said the pope is speaking about issues in the world. about the creation of jobs and opportunity and that doesn't mean the pope is making a political statement or inserting himself in politics. cristina, that gives us context and also a little background to how the catholic church thinks about popes making comments like these regarding an election or not. one of the things that is very important in pope francis's response is that he said i can't tell you who to vote for or who
not to vote for. what he is saying is anyone who talks about building walls rather than building bridges is not christian. cristina. >> thank you, rosa. pope francis also weighing in on the spread of mosquito-borne zika virus. using contraception could be seen as the lesser of two evils. surprising admission or discussion by the pope during the zika virus. if women are concerned about having children with birth defects, abortion is an absolute evil and should not be considered even if there is a chance the baby would be born with brain damage. a cease-fire set for syria. refugees in dire need of help, but will russia stop its air strikes? we're live next.
new refugee fleeing the fighting and russian bombing in northern syria are now stuck at the border which recently sealed that border with syria. monitoring this increasingly desperate situation for us from london is international editor nick roberts nic robertson. >> reporter: the u.n. is taking some, if you will, sense of goodwill in syria at the moment because they have delivered humanitarian aid to 80,000 people. they want to ramp that up. part of the agreement that was hammered out a week ago with secretary of state john kerry, said we will have the task force to get the degree of modality.
it will involve members of the 17 international syria support group members who signed that munich agreement. what have we seen since if one bilateral between kerry and lavrov. one phone call with obama and putin. there may have been behind the scenes talks and negotiations. we are not aware of those. one diplomat expects the task force to meet later today. at the moment, no time set for it. no one expects them to get cessation of hostilities off the back of one discussion that will happen today. that cessation is not going to happen. if you look at what has occurred in the past week, the situation is worse. not just the refugees, but turkey shelling across the border into syria and rebels in syria, kurdish rebels, shelling back across the border. escalation. not deescalation.
>> cross border shelling and increase in russia air strikes. any sense the air strikes by the russians will decrease now the americans said we are operating in these area, tone it down? >> reporter: you know, the russian news agency today has said that it expects these talks, u.s./russia, all of the representatives, to get going today. it says it expects there to be cessation of hostilities. reality on the ground is if russia wanted that, they could have done more. it doesn't look likely. >> nic robertson in london. thank you. shifting to the big story here. republicans running for president. taking questions from the voters on the cnn town hall stage. what we learned about the candidates in just a few.
republicans making a run for the white house taking tough questions from the voters. donald trump, jeb bush and john kasich on the cnn town hall stage. we are breaking down the big moments. welcome back to "early start." i'm miguel marquez. >> i'm cristina alesci. breaking overnight, the cnn live town hall. bush on whether he has a chance
to win and kasich on his positive message and if it works on the angry voters and donald trump. cnn's phil mattingly has more from south carolina. >> reporter: miguel and cristina. a day filled with political clashes. cruz and rubio. bush versus rubio. donald trump versus the pope. >> i don't like fighting with the pope. i don't think it is a fight. i think he said something softer than originally reported by the media. he is doing a good job. a lot of energy. i think he was very much misinterpreted. he was given false information. if you would have heard our side. people that live in the united states. >> would you like to meet with him? >> i'll do it anytime he wants. >> reporter: trump one day after sending a cease and desist letter to cruz's campaign said he would do the same to other
countries. >> as president, would you send cease and desist letters? >> maybe to china. i would. i would send to china to stop ripping us off. to other countries to stop ripping us off. i'd send them to mexico. when i say cease and desist. maybe the equivalent. >> reporter: jeb bush saying the talk of his campaign failing is premature. >> i have momentum if you look at the polls and the crowd sizes of our town hall meetings and enthusiasm that exists. >> reporter: and taking on criticism of an introvert. >> introverts set goals and grind. they just go at it. which is a pretty good thing to be when you run for president and written off over and over again. >> reporter: john kasich hours after his most poignant moment on the campaign trail pushing the message of positive campaigning.
>> sometimes you have to celebrate with people and sometimes you have to sit with them and cry. >> reporter: all three have one more day of campaigning in south carolina. donald trump, the clear frontrunner, looks like on a glide path. the moment is urgent. especially for jeb bush who staked his campaign on a big performance in the state. for kasich, it is about proving the momentum after the second place in new hampshire. cristina and miguel. >> thank you, phil. joining us this morning to dig into the political buffet and the town hall and all the political goings on, cnn reporter tom lombianco, the zombie. it's amazing to see them in this situation. you get a lot more out of the individuals. there was one moment where in a
question from a voter to trump about the iraq war and it got a little testy there. let's show that and we'll talk to you when we come back. >> i literally was handed this. a report now out tonight on buzzfeed that included, i have not heard, audio clip of you on howard stern talking on the radio on september 11th, 2002. he asked if you were for inva invading iraq. do you remember saying that? >> i could have said that. nobody asked me. i wasn't a politician. probably the first time anybody asked me that question. >> that was the wrong sound bite. there was a part where anderson and trump went back and forth with a question whether or not bush lied back and forth. trump would not go there. he would not call bush a liar again.
what's going on here? >> isn't it interesting he is getting tangled up in the iraq war too. what's happening is south carolina has a huge military voter presence there. if you are running in the republican primary, you have to play to the military vote. for trump, who often times sounded like a democrat when talking about the iraq war, he tamped down yesterday. he is not as hard as he is on george w. bush. you can see there that even with the 2002 question where he seemed to flip flop on his stances on the iraq war, he didn't disavow it. maybe that sounds good for the south carolina electorate. maybe someone who was with george w. bush in the first go around. >> clearly taking a hit.
>> we have to talk about someone other than trump. kasich. continued his emotional appeal to voters. here's what he had to say about his parents. >> at the age of 35, i got a phone call that they wouldn't be able to get home. i went into a black hole with just a little pinprick of light. i had people come to me. you don't have to agree with me or like it or whatever. it's where i found the lord. i spent 29 years of my life working on that. i am here to tell people. life is so rocky. it's so fragile. we have to build our homes, our lives, our homes on solid granite. not on sand. i have found even though the pain still comes there's where i have to go. >> he has such a strong personal story. >> exactly. his parents were killed by a
drunk driver and does this wear well, tom, on a presidential candidate? the emotional appeal talking about how he dealt with the difficult period in his life? how this is resonating at this point? >> what a touching story there. you know, that really plays to kasich's wheelhouse. that's what he has been doing a lot of. earlier in the day, emotional embrace with a supporter just before the town hall. that's his style. that's who he is. he has been that way in the more than 100 town halls they did in new hampshire. that's his narrative. that's what he's built out. he's played into it. you know, he has built himself as the off-beat republican. you know, his people like to say he's not in the establishment lane per se. you know, here's the guy who
expanded medicaid in ohio. he has taken heat from it on the republican side. he is not afraid to go to the more compassionate conservatively. >> it will be interesting to see if that plays in rough and tumble south carolina. on the other side of the political spectrum, bernie sanders and hillary clinton were at a rival network doing their town hall. a voter got up and asked about sanders criticism of bill and hillary and here is what hillary had to say. >> i don't know where all this comes from. maybe it's that senator sanders wasn't a democrat until he decided to run for president. maybe he doesn't know what the last two democratic presidents did. it's true. you know it's true.
>> it is a fight between the boos and claps. >> a smattering of claps and a lot of booing. is that bad for hillary clinton in nevada? >> you know, you hardly ever see that. such a direct attack on that side of the aisle. then the boos there. that goes to show this split in the democratic party that is happening right now. sanders has been exploiting. you never saw too much before. open boos on something like that. that was a sharp attack from clinton. clearly one of the biggest vulnerabilities. there you have people who don't necessarily identify with the democratic party. they may be left of center, but liberal, but you have a lot of independent support for him. you have a lot of people who feel sanders is an outsider candidate. it is not necessarily something that will win her support back
from outsider candidates. >> seems to be working for him so far. >> i think we get rid of the word establishment. no one is establishment. it doesn't exist. thanks, tom. >> not this cycle. don't use that word. >> thanks, tom. >> thank you. the white house says there's no plan for president obama to meet with fidel castro on his trip to cuba, but will sit down with raul castro and talk about the human rights. the president and first lady travel to cuba next month. this is the first time a sitting president will visit the communist island nation in almost seven decades. mr. obama plans to meet with cuban dissidents and members of cuba's civil society. today, president obama and first lady will pay respects to the late supreme court justice antonin scalia. his body will lie in repose in a
few hours. the justices and his family women attend a private ceremony. critics have slammed the president for deciding to skip the funeral mass. the white house saying security is a factor. and it is time for an early start on your money. the dow snapping its three-day winning streak yesterday. futures are up now despite a drop in oil prices. stocks in europe are turning higher. asian markets lower. wall street is closing books on the worst quarter for profits since 2009. the 500 largest publicly traded companies saw a drop of 4% last quarter. sales down 2.5%. energy companies hit hardest as crude oil started crashing. what is behind the bad results? weak global economic demand is a
a few minutes ago, you heard donald trump firing back at the pope for criticizing him. on the way back to rome, pope francis was asked about the immigrants and building the wall along mexico. here is the pope's response. >> translator: a person who thinks about only building walls and not building bridges is not christian. this is not in the gospel. as far as whether i would advise to vote or not to vote, i will not get involved in that. i say only that this man is not christian if he said things like that. >> amazingly enough, trump slammed the pontiff's reaction as disgraceful saying no religious leader should have the right to question another man's religion or faith. following the town hall, where do things stand? cnn's rosa flores is in rome for
us. rosa, the pope never a shrinking violet when interjecting himself in situations like this. did he mean to say this? did he know what he was saying when he said those words? >> reporter: miguel, good morning. i think the context is important here. the framing of the question as well. here's the question that was asked of pope francis. something along the lines of pope francis you have been speaking eloquently about immigration in mexico. right across the border, the election for the white house. the frontrunner for the gop is saying he vows to build a wall. he vows to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants back to mexico and other countries. the question was this, pope francis would you recommend for american catholics to vote for this man? of course, you just heard his answer, miguel, in that sound
bite. that's why he says i can't tell you to vote or not to vote. that is not his role as pope. he does speak with moral authority as we know. miguel, you and i have been following his visit through mexico. you know he had been speaking very ill about drug violence and drug cartels and he had been speaking with immigration as well. how it's difficult for mexicans and other people in latin america to find opportunity in their countries. they move so and try to go to the united states. so all of that is in the back drop as pope francis responded to the question. he just spent six days in mexico speaking to the youth and telling them, we want a mexico where people don't have to cross the border to achieve dreams. they can dream in mexico as well. miguel, that gives you a little background as to how the question was framed and how pope francis responded. we also have to say this, pope
francis never uttered donald trump's name. donald trump's name was in the question. interesting to look at it the nuance there. >> pope francis certainly understands where he stands in this world. in a pope v. trump world, my money on pope francis. rosa, thank you. pope francis weighing in on the spread of the zika virus. he says using contraception to avoid pregnancy could be seen as the lesser of two evils during the zika outbreak. if women are concerned about having children with the birth defect, the pope says abortion is quota absolute evil and should not be considered even if a baby is born with brain damage. help is on the way for the people of flint. $30 million to help residents and businesses to pay the bills for their contaminated water.
also thursday, governor rick snyder who has been criticized for not acting fast enough has said flint is getting additional $2 million in state funds to replacing contaminated lead pipes as early as next week. california officials say an underground gas well near porter ranch leaking since october is now permanently sealed and itiss safe for residents to return. utilities still hasn't determined what caused the leak. the flow of natural gas leaking from the well was stopped last week. last month, california governor jerry brown declared a state of emergency in the area. and the trials for the five baltimore police officers in the death of freddie gray are now on hold. maryland court of appeals postponing to consider if one of the cops can be compelled to testify against the others.
trial of william porter, first of the six, ended in mistrial. gray suffered a fatal spinal injury in custody last year. and beyonce's super bowl performance prompting miami police union to call for law enforcement nationwide to boycott her world tour. the police union accused the singer of using her halftime to quote dividing the americans with the blank panthers and anti-american message. her tour is set to kick off in miami. the stock market winning streak is over, but it is looking like a positive end to the week. we will get an early start on your money mechanics. next.
that is supposed to go into effect today in syria won't. they have not met to work out the final details of the cease-fire. tens of thousands are now stuck at the border which turkey recently sealed monitoring the desperate situation for us from london is nic robertson. nic, is there any sense that at least that possibility that was because they were doing that ahead of the possible cessation? is there any sense that violence will abate? >> reporter: it's really not clear, miguel. the expectation is from the munich agreement last week that within a week there would be a meeting headed by the united states and russia joint by co- chairing a military task force
with diplomats and military support groups. 17 countries agreed to the agreement. all players with a stake of what happens in syria. the reality is that we have not heard on the surface of any sort of major talks between the united states and russia and any other cease-fire. on the ground, appears an escalation of hostilities. you can look at that and say, look, the government backed by russia and iranians, know there is a deadline approaching. they may want to get ahead of the strategic issues on the group ground. it will be hard to slow down the momentum of the syrian government and russian air strikes in time for the deadline, which is in theory, today for a cessation. wider cease-fire agreement.a - we don't have the diplomats i
talked to don't have a time for the meeting today. it is expected to happen. the u.n. would play a role in it. the reality is the violence, as you say, is just getting worse. that's despite saying in a week it should stop. >> just when you think it cannot get anymore bleak. nic robertson, thank you. turning to wall street. let's get an early start on your money. dow futures up after the three-day winning streak yesterday. oil is down. we will see if the gains actually hold. europe is higher. asia finished with losses. great news for workers. two developments on the job front that have workers making more money. last night, oregon lawmakers voted to raise the minimum wage statewide. it is currently $9.25 an hour. over the next five years, wages will rise to $14.75 for workers in portland and other counties and rural areas will get
increases as well. regardless of vocation, many walmart workers are getting a raise. 1 million of them. the world's largest retailer will hike wages for all of the employees on saturday. that will cost the company quite a bit. $1.5 billion this year. if you haven't refinanced your mortgage or thinking about buying a new home. now is the time. the average for a 15-year fixed rate mortgage is 2.9%. the 30-year fixed is 3.65%. we have not seen numbers that low in more than a year. mortgage rates are tied to ten-year treasury bonds which have been a popular safe haven investme investment. but as stocks stage a recovery, that will likely send mortgage rates higher. plus the fed will eventually raise rates again. that might not happen until later this year or even next.
i find a great refrigerator box near the hudson for $1.2 million, i'm buying it. "early start" continues now. republicans running for president on the cnn town hall stage. donald trump, jeb bush and john kasich taking tough questions from voters. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm miguel marquez. >> i'm cristina alesci. breaking overnight. republican presidential candidates taking tough questions from south carolina voters in a cnn live town hall. bush on whether he still has a chance to win. kasich on whether his upbeat message works for an angry electorate. and trump challenged on his fight with the pope after the pontiff criticized his stance on immigration. cnn's phil mattingly has more from south carolina.
phil. >> reporter: miguel and cristina. a day filled with political clashes. ted cruz against marco rubio. ted cruz against donald trump. donald trump against the pope. >> i don't like fighting with the pope. i don't think it is a fight. he said something much softer than originally reported by the media. he is doing a good job. a lot of energy. i would say that i think he was very much misinterpreted. i think he was given false information. if he would have heard our side. people that live in the united states. >> would you like to meet with him? >> i'll do it anytime. >> reporter: trump just one day after sending a cease and desist letter to cruz's campaign saying he would do the same to other countries. >> as president, would you send cease and desist letters? >> yeah. maybe to china. to china to stop ripping us off. to other countries to stop ripping us off.