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450,000, i think it's far below what is needed to keep the country safe. i intend to increase it to a minimum of 520,000 soldiers. the air force has been reduced down to about 4,000 planes. we need to increase that to a minimum of 6,000 planes so that we can project power and use our air power superiority. the navy, we have 272 ships. the least we have had since 1917, literally a century ago was the last time we had a navy with this few ships. we need at least 350 ships. and an overall force level of 1.4 million troops at a minimum. in addition to that we need to dramatically expand, missile defense, as we see missile threats and rogue nations we need to expand cyber defense. but we also need to focus our
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foreign policy and our military policy on identifying and defeating the real enemies. you know, i've got strong disagreements with the mistakes of the obama/clinton foreign policy over the last several years. one perfect example is libya, libya, president obama and hillary clinton led the world in toppling the government in libya, and sadly they were supported by more than a few establishment republicans including several who are running for president. that has proven to be a catastrophic mistake. toppling the government in libya meant we handed that government over to radical shmuck terrorists. it is a war zone where isis and other terrorists pose an acute national security threat to this country. and it led directly to the failures, the obama/clinton foreign policies led directly to to tragedy of benghazi. rather than engaging in toppling governments in the middle east and nation build, i think the military needs to defend this country and protect our national security interests. what should we be doing?
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by the way, many of those same folks, obama, hillary clinton and the same republicans say we should do the same thing in syria. topple assad. if we do that the same result will happen. if we topple assad, he is a bad man. if we topple assad isis will take over syria, that is worse for america. instead of getting in the middle of civil wars we ought to focus on the enemies of america and utterly destroy isis. we should use overwhelming air power and arm the kurds and use the tools we have to completely destroy them. i'll say a couple of things also. when it comes to the men and women of the military i don't think the military should be governed by political correctness. should be governed -- should be used for social experiments. so for example, if i am elected president we will not be drafting our daughters into combat on the front lines.
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i was astonished two debates ago when three different republicans for candidate for president stood up and supported drafting women into combat. i don't think that makes sense, as i sat there and listened to it i kind of wondered if rod serling was going to come out say you've entered the twilight zone. the idea that the government would force my conscript young women and put them into cot bam? that makes no sense at all. another one of the most shameful things in the last seven years is that we are sending our servicemen and women into combat with rules of engagement that have their arms tied behind their back. making it impossible for them to support and defend. i give you my word as commander-in-chief that will end on january 20th, 2017. [ applause ] >> just a quick follow-up.
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donald trump has said that george w. bush did not keep this country safe because 9/11 happened on his watch. what did you think when you heard that? >> i thought it was ridiculous. listen, i like donald. i am not going to engage in personal attacks but i think his policy positions have not made any sense. when he stood up and defended impeaching george w. bush, that was his position. george w. bush should have been impeached. listen, i'm a constitutionalist. my entire adult life has been spent defending the constitution and bill of rights. the standard for impeachment is high crimes and misdemeanor. he had no argument that george bush committed high crimes. he just said on the stage it was a mistake. you don't impeach people for things you say are a mistake. at the time donald trump was promoting impeachment. look, those were the views of the michael moores, the extreme
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fever swamps of the left. and i hate to see on a republican stage a candidate saying we should have impeached george w. bush. i think that really draws into question and the judgment of that candidate to be commander-in-chief. >> i want you to meet pastor travis hayes, he is leaning in your favor, and likes some of your policies. >> good evening, senator. as we see more and more what appears to be more and more opposition to christian conservative values, what will you do to help to protect those values if elected president? >> well, pastor, thank you for your ministry and your service. we're seeing an assault, you're right. on religious liberty. and we need a president who will stand up unambiguously and protect those values.
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if you look at life, and religious and marriage, all three of those are linked. every republican candidate says they support life, marriage, religious liberty. that is what you say when you're running for republican president for candidate. my suggestion is don't listen to what we say. follow the biblical test, you will know them by their fruits. don't tell me you're pro life. tell me what you've done to defend the right to life. i was the chief lawyer for the state of texas in front of the u.s. supreme court. we brought together a coalition of states before the u.s. supreme court defending the federal ban on partial birth abortion. we won 5-4. we brought together other coalition of states defending new hampshire's parental notification law and we won unanimous. and in texas, when the state
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legislature passed a law banning taxpayer funding going to planned parenthood, a federal district court struck down that law. and i personally argued the appeal in the court of appeals, we won unanimously. so likewise, on marriage, in june of last year we saw a decision from the supreme court. nothing short of tragic. now several of the republican candidates, when that decision came down put out statements that essentially said it is the settled law of the land. we must accept it, surrender and move on. those are almost word for word the talking points of barack obama. i think there is something really wrong when republican candidates are echoing the talking points of barack obama. my view is very different. i think the decision was fundamentally illegitimate, and completely inconsistent with the constitution and it will not stand. and on religious liberty, it has
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been a lifelong passion. i have spent the last two decades fighting to defend religious liberty. when i was solicitor general of texas, we defended the ten commandments monument. we went to the u.s. supreme court and we won 5-4 upholding the ten commandments. we defended the words, one nation under good in the pledge of allegiance. we went to the supreme court and won unanimously. and then in private practice, one of the cases i'm most proud of, i represented of 3 million veterans, defending the mohave deserts memorial. it was a cross erected over 70 years ago to honor the men and women that gave their lives in world war i. the aclu sued, arguing that you could not display a cross on public land. they won in the district court and won in the court of appeals. the court ordered a giant sack to be placed over the veteran's memorial with a chain and
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padlock at the bottom. and i represented 3 million veterans before the u.s. supreme court defending the mohave desert veteran's memorial. and we won 5-4. this, for me, is a life passion. and one of the things we've done. the media often belittles threats to religious liberty. they say they're not real. we hosted big religious rallies. one in iowa, one here in south carolina at bob jones university where we brought in heroes, ordinary people, a florist, a baker, a t-shirt salesman, a fireman, to tell their stories how they stood for faith and they were persecuted. i would commend you, pastor, and anyone else that wants to see them, go to our website, you can watch these stories, how people made a decision, do i honor my faith or give in to the government and be persecuted? and they chose to honor their faith. when it comes to religious
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liberty, if i'm elected president, i intend on the first day of office to instruct the u.s. department of justice and the irs, and every other federal agency that the persecution of religious liberty ends today. [ applause ] >> i want you to meet dr. amir aga, he works in anderson, south carolina. he is an independent but still undecided. >> good evening, senator. you know, the oil market is in a big mess. i would like to know your opinion on saudi arabia's relationship with the u.s. as the oil prices are going down and opec has done nothing to stabilize the prices. that is affecting the economy. recently, russia, venezuela, qatar, and saudi arabia reached an agreement to freeze the oil production. instead of reducing it.
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so let's assume you are the president of the united states would you continue your alliance with saudi arabia? >> well, listen, our relationship with saudi arabia as you know, is fraught with complications. they have been allies at times, but at times the kingdom has been funding radical terrorism. they've been paying off the wolves in hopes that they will devour others rather than devour the monarchy. i think we need to hold our friends to account that friends do not fund jihadists seeking to murder us. when it comes to saudi arabia, we need to have real scrutiny and pressure. i'll tell you when i have traveled abroad and met with heads of state and foreign ministers and defense ministers, over and again what they say right now, it's hard to be friends with america. they say where is america? america doesn't stand by their friends. that needs to change. with respect to saudi arabia, it's part of opec. it's a cartel. they're not seeking our interests, they're seeking
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their monetary interests. what we ought to be doing when it comes to energy is two things. number one, a significant part of the reason that oil prices and commodity prices have fluctuated like crazy is that our dollar has fluctuated from a strong dollar to weak dollar. every time that happens it sends commodity prices soaring and plummeting, soaring and plummeting. we need to audit the federal reserve and move to a rules based monetary policy ideally tied to gold. when it comes to the dollar, we don't want a weak dollar, we don't want a strong dollar, we want a stable dollar. so a significant part of the
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volatility is driven by the dollar. the american renaissance act is the most comprehensive legislation submitted for the u.s. senate. it would unleash the american energy resources. this country is blessed with abundant natural resources. we ought to produce all of the above, oil and gas and coal and wind and solar, nuclear, and everything. but you shouldn't have government picking winners and losers. there should be no subsidies. there should be no favoritism. it should be a fair playing field for everybody. i intend to remove the barriers from washington which will allow the american energy market to expand, to create high paying jobs and to jump-start the american economy. [ applause ] >> this is julie hershey, she is president of a local nonprofit and is committed to voting for you. so don't blow it. >> i don't think he can. >> okay.
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>> senator cruz, thank you for taking my question. in order to prevent future controversy and possible litigation, will you please justify constitutionally your legal right to be president of the united states as it relates to your natural born status. >> sure, i'm happy to do that, julie, thank you for the question. the law under the constitution and federal law has been clear from the very first days of the republic. the child of a u.s. citizen born abroad is a natural born citizen. for anyone to be president, they have to be a natural born president. if you or i travel abroad and we have a child overseas that child is a u.s. citizen by virtue of birth. that is true, if you have service members who travel abroad defending this country. bobby mentioned before, he had a couple of deployments. if he had a child overseas, that
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child is a fall born citizen by virtue of the child's parents. likewise, if american missionaries are traveling overseas their children are natural born citizen. that is why john mccain was a natural born citizen, even though he was born in panama. his parents were u.s. citizens. that is why george romney, mitt romney's dad, was a natural born citizen, even though he was born in mexico. his parents were mormon missionaries. the law is straightforward. indeed, the authors of the constitution wrote the very first laws on citizenship and they explicitly defined the child of a u.s. citizen born abroad as a natural born citizen. now, my mother was born in delaware. she is a natural born citizen. i was born in canada as you have heard by now. >> i have heard that. >> but, i was a citizen by birth by virtue of my mother's citizenship. i have never been naturalized. i've never breathed a breath of
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air on this planet when i was not a u.s. citizen. it was the act of being born that made me a u.s. citizen. so under the law the question is clear, there will still be some who try to work political mischief on it, but as a legal matter this is clear and straightforward. >> there are just to follow up, some legal scholars who say donald trump would have standing to bring a lawsuit, is that something you would welcome to put it to bed once and for all? >> look, you can never write off the possibility of donald trump suing you. [ laughter ] he is welcome to file whatever lawsuit he likes. that lawsuit would not succeed. if he wants to file a lawsuit, he can file it and lose. but the legal merits of the matter are clear. >> we're going to take a short break, we'll have more questions for senator cruz when we come back. more questions for the voters. we'll be right back. ♪
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[ applause ] and welcome back. we are here once again with senator ted cruz. just a couple of quick questions before we go back to our audience. you are on the senate judiciary committee, if president obama sends up a nominee, should they get a hearing to replace justice scalia? >> they should not. for 80 years, the senate has not confirmed any nomination made during an election year. we should not make an exception now. >> should they get a hearing? >> i don't think they should, because it's not about the particular nominee, i think it would be very politicalized. i don't think it would be fair to the nominee. this is a matter of policy that during a lame during period we should not be confirming a supreme court nominee. particularly, you look at justice scalia's passing. he was a lion of the law, someone i knew for 20 years. he was brilliant and principled.
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he singlehandedly changed the course of american law, like ronald reagan was to the presidency, so was justice scalia to the supreme court. his passing leaves a huge void on the court. this nomination has the potential to dramatically shift the balance of power of the court. and so i believe we should have -- we have an election coming up in november. i think 2016 should be a referendum on the supreme court. and you know, it was striking, the last republican debate occurred the same day that we learned justice scalia passed. and i think that shifted. it really made people focus on the gravity of the stakes here. you know, you mentioned the poll that has us in first place nationwide. it's the first time donald trump has not been in first place in many, many months. and i think this is an important reason why. people were looking at that stage saying who do i know beyond a shadow of a doubt would
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nominate and fight to confirm principled conservative jurists who would defend the constitution? i mentioned before in answer to the pastor's question, the cases i defended, regarding religious liberty and life, almost all of them are 5-4. we are one liberal justice from the supreme court striking down every restriction on abortion that's been put in place the last 40 years. we are one liberal justice away from writing the second amendment out of the constitution. we are one liberal justice away from the supreme court orders ten commandment monuments to be torn down. one of the biggest questions in this election is who understands and is prepared and committed to fight for principled supreme court justices who will follow the constitution. and i have to tell you,
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anderson, i cannot wait to stand on that debate stage with hillary clinton and bernie sanders. and take it to the american people. their vision of the supreme court and the constitution. it is a supreme court that mandates unlimited abortion on demand. that takes away our second amendment right to keep and bear arms. that takes away our religious liberty. i don't think that's what the american people believe in. but we ought to take it to the election. if the democrats want to nominate a liberal, they need to win the election. one of the reasons conservatives are uniting behind my campaign is that they're coming to the conclusion that i have the experience, the background and commitment to the constitution to make that case against hillary clinton and bernie sanders and then to follow through and put principled jurists on the court. >> donald trump and marco rubio said you're lying, are they lying about that? >> you know, i have to say, anderson. this is a strange election season.
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in many ways. both donald trump and marco rubio are following this pattern that whenever anyone points to their actual record, to what they have said and what they voted on to what they have done they start screaming liar, liar, liar. it is the oddest thing. i can't think of any precedent in any previous election, from my end, i have not and will not respond in kind. if they want to engage in personal insults, i'm not going going to say the same thing about them. i think people of south carolina deserve more than people throwing mud at each other. let's take example the debate on saturday. i mentioned that donald trump for 60 years of his life has described himself as very pro choice, has supported partial-birth abortion. i mention even now donald trump
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supports taxpayer funding for planned parenthood. his response was to bellow, liar, liar. and he said when did i ever say that? and i responded i said well, when we were debating de-funding planned parenthood, you opposed me. you said on national television you think planned parenthood does wonderful things. and then, anderson, donald trump says he thinks planned parenthood does wonderful things. the very thing he called me a liar for he agreed with on the stage. you know, a few minutes later we had an exchange with marco rube owe. i like him, he's a friend of mine. he's very, very talented. what i said, my focus is on record and substance and issues and vision for the country. i think that is what the voters are interested in. i made three statements during the debate. i said number one marco rubio right now supports granting citizenship to the 12 million people who are here illegally. now, that is a fact. he said that on the debate stage
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two or three debates ago. and in fact, with chuck todd on "meet the press," he said that we should grant citizenship to people here illegally even if they have a criminal conviction. he said that on national television looking into the tv camera. the second thing i said when he was in florida, he supported in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. that is a fact, he said that. that is his legislative record. he then went on univision and in span irk said he wouldn't rescind the president's executive action. if i am president, i intend to rescind every executive action that is illegal. you remember what he said at the same time well, how would you know what i said on univision,
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you don't speak spanish. well, marco was incorrect on that. look, truth matters. every one of these issues, donald and marco are on video on national television stating their positions. and just yelling liar doesn't make it so. i would note, by the way, if marco is right that i'm lying. then i tell you who else has to be lying. jeff sessions has to be lying, mike lee has to be lying, mark levine has to be lying, rush limbaugh has to be lying, james dobson has to be lying, because every one of them has said the exact same thing i did. most of those folks have not endorsed me. they're not supporting me. but they have spoken the truth and it cannot be -- look, one of the things i love about the people of south carolina is how seriously they take their chance to vet the candidates. you can see marco and donald state their positions and i'm
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going to continue focusing on record and just yelling liar is not a response. >> this is robert tucker who is still deciding between you and senator rubio. >> hello, welcome back to greenville. from time to time, we see articles written in the paper or on television to you don't get along with some of the republican senators. your colleagues in washington. if you are going to have a problem with them, what are you going to say to them as president to get them on board so that we can get legislation passed? >> it's a great question, robert, thank you for asking it. let me focus on two levels, let me explain how we actually change the direction in washington. it's not that i speak with a lack of civility or respect, you have seen in the presidential campaign as other people insult me, i don't respond in kind.
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i try very much -- the bible talks about if someone treats you unkindly, repay them with kindness. it's like heaping coals on top of their head. that is the standard i have tried to follow. i have not attacked my colleagues in the senate, democrat or republican. even if i disagree with them on the issues i'll tell you why they say ted is unlikable in washington. because i'm actually honoring the commitments that i made to the women and men who elected me. for example, on planned parenthood, i led the fight for us to use the budgetary power in congress to stop giving $500 million to planned parenthood. what the republican leadership wanted to do was have a show boat, lose the show boat, and then fund all of obama's agendas including planned parenthood. when i stood up and led the fight against obamacare, they
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said that was unlikable. when i stood up and led the fight against the rubio/schumer amnesty bill, they said that was unlikable. you know why? because all the money and the washington wanted amnesty. if you look at wall street, amnesty they think is great. it's cheap labor. so when you stand up and by the way, the way we won these fights is that i stood up and tried to shine a light on them. shine attention on them and empower the american people. amnesty, schumer/rubio passed the senate. every democrat voted for it and a whole bunch of establishment republicans. it was headed to the house to pass. house leadership, john boehner, intended to take it up. pass it with all the democrats and a handful of republicans, roll over about 200 house republicans. and i stood with jeff sessions and steve king and we took the case to the american people. and what happened is millions of american people rose up and lit up the phones to congress and said don't do this.
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we defeated the rubio/schumer amnesty bill in the house. and in the world of washington, that is considered unlikable. when republican leadership -- i wrote a book last year called "a time for truth." the opening chapter describes the inside story of what happened on the debt ceiling where republican leadership wanted to make it for harry reid to add trillions of debt to our country. and i objected to that. the act of objecting, the promise i made to the men and women what elected me caused more unhappiness than anything i've done in my time in the senate. just this morning, jim dement, addressed this question, he said listen, ted is a friend, anyone who says he is unlikable is being ridiculous. they said the same thing about me, jim dement said, because jim honored the commitments he made to the people of south carolina
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and the republican leadership hated him. because not that he spoke mean about them but because he actually said, let's do what we said we would do. so let's take the second half of your question. how do we fix the problems? because we actually need to fix them, not just talk about them. we need to change the direction of this country. a president really has three levers to change the country. number one, executive power, that is the one obama has used and abused so much. everything with executive power can be undone with executive power. that is why i pledged to instruct the department of justice to open an investigation into planned parenthood and prosecute any and all criminal violations. it's why i pledge to end persecution of religious liberty in the executive branch and why
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i pledge to instruct the department of justice on day one that common core ends today. you can end many of the abuses of obama if you just have a president willing to use that power. the second avenue of executive power to change the direction of this country is foreign policy. it's why i pledged on day one to rip to shreds this catastrophic iranian nuclear deal. and on day one to begin the process of moving the embassy to jerusalem. both of those, the president can do immediaty. it's worth remembering, this same nation, iran, released our hostages the day that ronald reagan was sworn in. and then, the third avenue to change the country's direction, a legislation is not easy with this broken congress. i'm running on two big legislative issues. number one, repealing every word of obamacare, and number two, adopting a simple flat tax and
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abolishing the irs. neither one of those are easy. can i get this done in this congress? no, but think about the last time we beat the washington cartel. it was 1980. it was the reagan revolution. remember, reagan in '76, primaried gerald ford. you want to make republican leadership loathe you, come within an inch of beating the incumbent pez in the primary. you think they disliked me? they hated reagan with the heat of a thousand hot suns. he was unlikable. and yet what did reagan do? he didn't fly to washington and sit down with the old bulls and say come on, guys, let's stand for something. he built a grassroots army and the reagan revolution stepped in. when you go to the people it
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transformed them. you cannot find a republican who will not swear that ronald reagan is tattooed somewhere on their body. but the reason is he took the case to the people and changed the incentives. how do we abolish obamacare? repeal obamacare and adopt a flat tax? we make the election a referendum so that we come out of november 2016 with a mandate from the people. and that is exactly what i intend to do. >> thank you for your questions. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> this is susan harvey, a local travel agent still undecided. susan? >> good evening, senator. >> hi, susan. >> hi. if you're elected, what position in your cabinet will be the most important to fill first and why? >> that is a very good question. i would say it would be a three-way tie between secretary of state, secretary of defense, and attorney general. and i think all three are
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critically important. listen, state and defense, when it comes to defense we need to start rebuilding our military immediately. when it comes to state, we have abandoned our friends and allies nationally. it's part of the reason i mentioned before ripping to shreds the iranian nuclear deal and moving the american embassy to jerusalem. both of those are within the power of the president but also powerfully symbolic. you know, moving the embassy to israel tells israel, our allies, tells our enemies, america is back. you know, obama in his opening weeks he sent back the bust of winston churchhill to the united kingdom. if i'm elected president, winston churchhill is coming back to the oval office. so a secretary of state, we need someone strong, someone who defends this country, someone who rem presents this country. i'm not in the position right now of naming a cabinet
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appointment, but a secretary of state in a cruz administration would be somebody like john bolton. someone who is strong, who defends this country, who stands by our allies and stands up to our enemies. and attorney general, the lawlessness of the obama administration has been one of the saddest legacies. one of the most revealing aspects -- anderson, if you ask reporters in washington, off the record, you get them at the bar and get them a couple of drinks and say is hillary clinton going to be indicted? and the inevitable answer is, it depends if the obama white house decides they want to throw her overboard. if they decide politically they want to keep her, then no, she won't be indicted. if they decide they're done with her, she will. now how sad is it that the media accepts as a given that whether someone is prosecuted under the criminal laws depends on what some political hack in the west wing thinks. you know, i used to be an
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associate deputy attorney general at the department of justice, law enforcement and the administration of the law is critically important. and i give you my word that the attorney general in my administration will be blind to party or ideology. it will not be a partisan position. instead, the only fidelity of the department of justice will be to the laws and the constitution of the united states. that is the way it is meant to work. >> senator, you still have a few minutes left. do you want to tell me what reporters you're having drinks with in d.c.? i guess not. what is your favorite cocktail? >> i'm a scotch man. >> i understand you're also kind of a night owl. what do you do late at night? do you watch television? are you reading something now? >> look, back when i was not
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running for president i would watch tv. i used to remember what that was like. i love movies. i like video games. one of the things -- if you asked my wife, if you asked heidi what drives her crazy about me the most it is my iphone. if she could fling my iphone out the window and into the trash she would be thrilled. because i'm on my iphone, playing plants versus zombies or candy crush. my girls love it. we'll sit there, the three of us, playing games on the iphone and heidi wants to throw something at us. >> i know you have done impersonations, what is your favorite one? do you want to grace us with it? >> part of it is you have to have fun. a lot of times i get the questions in town halls. how do republicans reach young people? and in answer for that part of it is substance.
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we've got to make the case that the obama economic agenda is hammering young people. for seven years, people come out of school with economic stagnation, they don't have a future. obamacare is a massive wealth transfer from young, healthy people to everybody else. part of getting young people is having fun, loosening up. would it kill republicans to crack a joke? some of them i think it mike. so the impersonations is part of that. sort of having fun. but you know i'm reminded of a few years back i was out in l.a. traveling out there. and the week before i arrived, these posters began appearing all over town. and they're posters of my head on a shirtless torso that is ripped. and it's covered with tattoos. a giant eagle on my chest.
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two six shooters on my abs, which are a perfect eight-pack. you sound less than convinced. winston churchhill on my right bicep, which is massive. a cigarette out of my mouth, and above it, the legend, blacklisted and loving it. we had nothing to do with these posters. this was a local street artist who just put them up on his own so we decided to have fun with them. we posted on facebook, we said for whatever reason, these posters have begun appearing all over hollywood. i have to say i noticed a glaring error, i don't smoke cigarettes. >> senator cruz, thank you very much. that is all the time we have, we want to thank senator cruz and dr. carson, and senator rubio. a special thanks to all the voters in here for asking the questions and the viewers at home. make a dep--
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[ sirens ] [ bell tolling ] [ gunfire ] >> bodies lying on the floor. >> paris, november 13th. >> horrified screams coming from inside the theater. >> each time we meet the face of evil we ask how, why, young men, boys, turned into butchers, maiming and murdering hundreds of innocents. striking at the heart of one of the world's great cities. blowing a plane out of the sky, entire families turn to dust. all of it done with the reach and precision we have not imagined isis capable of.
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as the world cries out for vengeance, perhaps the most important question is this, how could we not have known? ♪ the answer is, we did. this is the story of what we knew about isis and when we knew it. it is a story that has not been told before, not in its entirety, told by the people who have made the journey into the mind and heart of isis. we begin with an extraordinary chance to look into the islamic state. not a single reporter has dared to venture there. since the gruesome beheadings of journalists began last year. imagine seeing this. >> i'm john cantlie, the british citizen abandoned by my own government. >> and this. >> these could be my last hours in this world.
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>> and then heading straight into the heart of darkness. ♪ but that is precisely what this man did. >> during the months i was preparing the trip, every night i felt a knife on my throat. i felt it. physically. >> jurgen todenhofer is a german journalist. last year he crossed the border into isis territory. >> i think you must know your enemy if you want to defeat it. >> he went to mosul, an iraqi city about the size of philadelphia. population around 1.5 million. it's the biggest prize isis has captured. this extraordinary video gives us a rare look into everyday
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life under isis. it brings to mind a writer's concept, the banality of evil. isis has its own license plates and traffic cops who give parking tickets. and there are friendly shopkeepers. >> completely brainwashed. i've never in my life met people like this. >> this, of course, is the mosul isis officials wanted todenhofer to see. they gave him written permission to come to the city and he believes they let him leave alive to make a point. >> they wanted to show me that they are a state and this state is working. it's not a perfect state, it's not like the united states. but it's a state.
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>> and it's getting bigger. todenhofer saw new recruits pouring in every day. >> in this recruitment center we had every day more than 50 new fighters. they can lose fighters. they don't care. the amazing thing is that they are completely enthusiastic. they think it's the time of their life. they think that they are part of a historical event. changing the whole middle east. >> among them were americans. >> i met many americans. i met many germans and french people and english people, but many americans. guys from new jersey. >> there were also american weapons. soldiers carry them like a badge of honor, even the children. >> how old are you? >> these child soldiers, 12 and
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13 years old, now go to what isis calls schools. >> they start a new school system, which i found is completely wrong, completely crazy. but it's a system. >> isis officials trotted out a few prisoners for todenhofer to talk to. this man is one of a group of captured kurdish soldiers. >> when did they catch you? >> he told todenhofer he was afraid. shortly after, isis put kurdish prisoners in cages, dressed in orange jumpsuits. ♪ they were paraded through the streets and isis made a propaganda video out of it. ♪ it's hard to believe, but according to todenhofer, there are people in mosul who say they
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are better off under the islamic state. almost all are sunni and they have suffered at the hands of iraq's shiite government. >> first of all, instead of anarchy, they have now law and order. and people don't like, i ask, but they like their security. so they take taxes. they take care of the poor. >> bizarrely, isis even reaches out to the disabled. this is a recruitment video for deaf jihadis who wish to join isis. todenhofer's isis minders kept him away from only one group. he was not permitted to speak to or even go near a single woman. >> and you think that you would win the war? >> perhaps the most astonishing thing todenhofer heard from both isis soldiers and leaders is this. >> they want to provoke the
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united states to bring ground troops to the country. it's a clear target. they want the americans to bring their boots on the ground. they want to fight the americans. that's their dream. the ultimate fight against americans. that's what they want. that's what they hope. >> they do want to fight the americans mainly on their own turf. in this regard, isis has a different dream than al qaeda. osama bin laden wanted to perpetrate large-scale terror attacks against the west. but he did not want his own state. isis does and it uses its caliphate as a base to launch its terror attacks. the best way to understand the difference between the two groups is to go back to al qaeda's signature moment, its most spectacular attack. ♪ september 11th, 2001.
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19-year-old operatives hijack four planes, knock down two skyscrapers, crash into the pentagon and kill almost 3,000 people. >> the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> at that moment with the american people terrorized, the american government searched for a fitting response to this attack. at that moment, the seeds of isis were planted. it would take years and untold numbers of dead before isis would supplant al qaeda. but you can draw a line from the horrifying events of 9/11 and the american response to the creation of the islamic state. that line begins 18 months after september 11th, the united
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states invades iraq. >> my fellow citizens, at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free its people, and to defend the world from grave danger. >> when the u.s. invaded, it hadn't really thought much about the day after. it was very much focused on overthrowing saddam. >> there it goes. there it goes. >> and what happened in the initial weeks was a total power vacuum. >> as the american occupation quickly devolved into chaos, one man seized the moment. that man is abu musab al zarqawi, the godfather of isis. in 2004 zarqawi swore allegiance
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to osama bin laden and became the leader of al qaeda in iraq. >> the u.s. has described him as one of the world's most dangerous terrorists. >> zarqawi's ultimate goal was to create an islamic state. and events in iraq were going to give him the chance to realize his dream. >> the old military needed to be formally disbanded. >> saddam hussein's military was out on the street, and then american soldiers captured saddam himself. >> we got him. >> sunnis were out of favor and out of jobs, but they had guns and organizational prowess. zarqawi began recruiting them. >> zarqawi was a major celebrity in 2004. he became, i mean, a rock star. >> some of the worst violence americans saw on their tv screens during the iraq war came
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courtesy of zarqawi. >> he was like a terrorist psychopath. >> sunni insurgents inspired by al qaeda's leader in iraq abu musab al zarqawi blew up a holy shia shrine. >> the murders of innocent civilians, indiscriminate bombings, even beheadings, the focus not just on foreigners but on shiites. other muslims, seen as heretics, tactics that today sound hauntingly familiar. >> with a $25 million price on his head, there is no one the u.s. wants to capture or kill more than zarqawi. >> the cia had been tracking his every move. in june of 2006 u.s. forces killed him with two 500-pound bombs. >> tonight the most wanted terrorist in iraq is killed in a massive united states air strike. >> zarqawi. >> zarqawi, he said, was eliminated. >> zarqawi's death is a severe
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blow to al qaeda. >> but as it turned out, the movement zarqawi began would survive that blow. when we come back, the rise of the leader of isis. >> he wasn't considered from everything that we know now, a high-level detainee. >> inside an american prison. my computer's dying again. you'll need to email us so we can issue you a ticket. but you're right here. it's protocol. or, you can try staples tech services next day guarantee. it's fast and done right. i'll do that instead. that's not protocol marsha. in by noon, out by 5 the next day. staples. make more happen.
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