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and may increase side effects. the most common side effects are headache, diarrhea, and dizziness. he's always been my everything. now i am giving back. ask their doctor about once-daily namenda xr and learn about a free trial offer at hello once again. i'm kate bolduan and we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. >> and i'm john berman and we
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are live, yes live 12:00 a.m. eastern time. this is live coverage of the race in south carolina, the race in nevada. and so much has happened tonight and the race truly changed. donald trump won south carolina big. there is still a fight for second place, marco rubio and ted cruz fighting out for second there, and in nevada, hillary clinton prevailed in the democratic caucuses there. a margin of about five points over bernie sanders. >> and another story coming out, former florida governor jeb bush who was once considered the frontrunner to win the nomination, offered an emotional goodbye this evening as he suspended his campaign as the votes were coming in. and now ted cruz and marco rubio will be battling for second place, but tonight, the night belongs to the billionaire from new york, donald trump, and that
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is where we want to continue the coverage with cnn politics reporter jeremy diamond who is inside of the trump headquarters. so a big night for donald trump. and he says quickly, thank you, south carolina on to the next. what are you hearing from the trump campaign late this evening? >> reporter: that's right, kate. donald trump tonight with a huge win in south carolina, and this is something that is going to allow him to go forward with the momentum here going into the next contest in the southern states. his campaign is sounding confident tonight, and the south carolina top officials with the south carolina campaign said that south carolina is a bellwether for the next states in the s.e.c. primary that will vote on super tuesday. they are feeling confident, but donald trump is always a fighter tonight talking about the pundits on tv and what they are talking about as far as the coalescing around other candidates. listen to what he had to say. >> some of the pundits, and overall pretty much fair, but not too much, but a number of
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the pundits said, well, a couple of the candidates dropped out and if you add their scores together, it is going to be equal trump. right? these geniuses, and they are geniuses, they don't understand that as people drop out, i'm going to be getting a lot of those votes also, and you don't just add them together. >> and there you have donald trump there, and you know, always fighting with some fighting words, but that is the fight now going forward and what is the coalescing going to happen. jeb bush dropping out tonight, and a lot of folks believe it is going to marco rubio or john kasich as the two potential establishment favorites now, but marco rubio and ted cruz are also tonight going neck and neck for second and third place, and donald trump not even making a mention of jeb bush dropping out tonight. he is certainly losing his foil in the race with jeb bush gone now, and it is going to be interesting how it goes forward but the race is narrowing, and
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it is going to be a whole lot more contentious. >> and jeremy diamond now kicked out of the indoor trump campaign headquarters and he is now outdoors. >> yes. >> and thank you, jeremy. and where is the next step for donald trump, georgia and then nevada? >> yes. >> and so i want to bring in the panel. amanda carpenter is here, and she is formerly ted cruz's communications strategist, and kevin madden, worked a lot for mitt romney, along other people. also joined by doug hyde, and former new york mayor michael nutter. >> see, it is difficult to get all of the names in there. >> it is difficult. donald trump wins the south carolina primary. and now, as we know no republican has ever lost the nomination after winning both new hampshire and south
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carolina. what does this mean for the republican party? what does this mean for this moment? >> well, for donald trump, one of the most valuable commodities that you have in a campaign like this is momentum and right now he has a lot of it. if i'm the other campaigns, one of the things that would continue to worry me is the fact that when you ask the republican voters not who they are voting for but who do you think will eventually be the nominee, donald trump continues to win that question. now, if you are going back to 2012, when we saw the ascent of michele bachmann and ascent of rick perry and all of the other candidates against mitt romney, and the question of whether or not you thought that mitt romney would ultimately win the nomination is something that romney won hand over hand time after time. and eventually what happened is that when the campaign shifted back to a race between mitt romney and one other candidate, mitt romney actually won, so one of the big problems is that the
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momentum continues to be on donald trump's side. now, as we go into march 1, where we have multiple contests on one day, we may find out on one day whether or not there is going to be the consolidation of the rest of the field to take on donald trump. and by then, donald trump may have a very big delegate lead. >> and maybe too big a lot of folks say. amanda, you have worked for ted cruz in a past life, and when it comes to, and we are still waiting to find out who is in second and who is in third, and both ted cruz and marco rubio declaring victory if you heard the post speeches, and they said they won, and what did you say? rainbows and unicorns? it's okay, we're moving on. any ways. this was a state tailor made for ted cruz. 70 plus percent of evangelicals in the gop electorate.
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what went wrong if you could go that direction? >> well, ted cruz had a lot of negative attacks thrown at him, and that has an effect, but it is politics, and you can cry about the way that you lost, and ted cruz and marco rubio are a draw. but that's still first loser to trump. and i will buy into rubio's framing on that and it does not matter if rubio beats cruz or cruz beats rubio, trump is still winning. at this point, rubio has a big test, can he go toe to toe with trump? how does trump attack rubio? if i'm donald trump, i turn this into a race where he's running against two senators. so the challenge for ted cruz and marco rubio how do they break out of the argument role of essentially taking each other down. they have to stop that. they have to take on donald trump and make the case for themselves to win, and no more playing for the second or the third place.
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and you have no other choice but to go for the gold at this point. >> no more participation ribbons? >> yes, those are done. we don't believe in those any ways because we're republicans. >> and now, margaret hoover, i want to pick up on a point that amanda made about marco rubio, do we know how he is going to be standing up head-to-head with donald trump? the other candidates have done it, many have had no success at all. but what does it look like man to man? >> you are right. town halls resonate more with the general election than a republican primary, and he was speaking about reforming the criminal justice reform, and the themes much more broadly resonate to a general electorate. where frankly donald trump is not even speaking to the general
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electorate. ted cruz promised his entire campaign on doing well in south carolina. had 11,000 volunteers in the state, and 7,000 doors that he knocked on everyday and 50,000 phone calls they made everyday and the whole strategy is to win south carolina and have that inertia going into the primary, since that didn't happen, the reason for his campaign begins to really crumble here. >> but isn't he better off? isn't he relatively speaking well positioned in many of the southern states? >> sure he is. this is essentially march madness and we have advanced another round, and if you are still surviving, you are still in the tournament, but we have focussed so much on the evangelicals, and it is not just evangelicals, because he got 50% nonevangelicals which raises the question if donald trump has a ceiling, the question is does ted cruz have a ceiling and maybe that is where marco rubio
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can do it, and take over donald trump i say completely biased. >> yes. thank you for the disclosure. you look at the exit polls here in south carolina, and when you look at the electability question in november, rubio is getting that 47% and donald trump comes in second. rubio is in the lead, but donald trump took south carolina and ran. what is going on? what do you see? >> well, it is a continuation of the quote, unquote anti-establishment. and whatever the establishment is anymore, but people want something different, and he is saying whatever he wants. which seems exciting and dynamic and new for someone who has maybe kind of sort of been a business person and failed and come back and all this and no real political experience, and the country is completely falling apart in his view, and he is going to make america great again which is in my perspective code language,
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and anti-president obama and may have some racial overtones. we'll get into that as things go on. but he is throwing it all out there, and which we kind of see a little bit on the democratic side on what we see with senator sanders and people are running to it. >> i think the person who said -- i heard earlier say if you add up all the donald trump, and i want to give credit to michael smerconish here on cnn and we know what network donald trump is watching. and i don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems to me looking at the arithmetic that donald trump is the nominee. particularly because marco rubio and ted cruz are both going to stay in and they both had like 22% today. donald trump wins, but he's only 33%. if they both stay in, i think that he is the nominee. >> and this is a important question to look forward and kevin, you know the electoral map very well, and when you look
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at it, what states are going forward are -- is anyone other than donald trump going to win? because the terrain, a lot of the folks say, it is only starting to look better and better for donald trump. >> well, that is the thing, if you look at places like arkansas, alabama, georgia, tennessee, and the states that are next up on march 1, they are similar in profile to south carolina. when you see a ten-point win from donald trump, that could cause lot of other campaigns concern. if when you get later in the calendar, and looking at april, whereas traditionally we see the tipping point when the actual nominee, the eventual nominee locks up the nomination, somewhere around the middle of april when states like pennsylvania and new york and delaware and connecticut come on line, those are also states where if you look at donald trump how he won in south carolina and new hampshire with a coalition of somewhat conservative and moderate voters, those are voters are going to be fitting the same
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profile for those states in the northeast. donald trump may have an appeal in a place like massachusetts. now, i think that john kasich, and marco rubio will tell you that massachusetts and vermont are states that they could also compete in, but those are very small delegate states, so they may not have enough of the delegates or the math to continue to argue that they have a path to 1,237, which is what you need to get the nomination. >> and john kasich was in worcester, massachusetts, today looking for some of the delegates. and carl bernstein, i want to bring you n because if you are talking about the delegates, it is proportional for a little longer, but even proportional delegate in south carolina, donald trump won them all, and at least 44 and looking like 50 delegates in south carolina. everyone else gets zero. zero delegates out of south carolina. that is a big result for donald
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trump, and if he can continue, anything like that, and you know, nevada is tuesday, and looks like he is doing well there, too. >> and the calendar and the nature of the states ahead on super tuesday are a big advantage for him. i talked to a major republican officeholder in the bush administration a couple of hours ago, and he said, look, you have to look at this as trump having 75% chance of getting the nomination as a result of what has happened here. and at the same time, there is a real movement now that we are going to be seeing to stop trump among the so-called, and it is a very loose term establishment figures. but you still can't see how trump get as majority of delegates going into that convention. there could be a deadlocked convention in which case you could see somebody like rubio or kasich for instance coming together at the convention with quote establishment republican figures trying to keep trump from getting the nomination, and giving their delegates and votes
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to each other. and having a exciting convention and you could see a ticket with rubio and kasich, and some kind of different form. but we're going to see a huge stop trump effort in the media as david gergen was saying earlier, we will see some real serious overdue reporting on trump. we will see the republican regulars at this point take out all of the stops to try and halt this train, because they see the destruction of the republican party ahead. and also, we have ended the so-called dynasty of bush tonight. i think that we might see bernie sanders start to make an argument that says it's time that we wednesday all of the dynasties, including the clinton dynasty. because in a way he, too, is the
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outsider who has a chance to start a movement. he has already. and it could keep going, and he has to come up with some new angles to keep moving on what he had before the momentum was broken tonight. >> and let's bring in scottie as a trump supporter, you're shaking your head. why? >> i am not going to be insulting every journalist as mr. trump has made himself available to more journalists for questioning. everybody has talked to him and asked them the hard questions and he's handled them. >> we definitely ask the questions, what answer we get is debatable. >> it's about real reporting, not about asking tough questions. >> that is questions -- >> he's great. trump is great at answering the questions in the way that he wants to and he's very, very effective. >> like i said -- >> it's one of the reasons he's ahead. >> he's gone on more media,
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friendly and nonfriendly -- >> i agree with you. i'm saying it's about reporting. >> one at a time. >> when you look at the numbers, you look at texas that ted cruz is counting on. alabama, tennessee, georgia, anywhere from 50 to 76 votes. what you're missing is marco rubio is going to have a hard time in that area based on just immigration. senator jeff sessions is extremely popular in alabama that's 50 votes right there. when you look at texas, if ted cruz does not win 100%, which i don't think he will, going into these states right now, there is a threshold that they have to get at least 15%, 10% to 15% of voter totals. that is going to take all of that kasich away, carson away. md if we go into a brokered convention, i guaranty the gop will not survive. there will be such a revolt, because the people don't care
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what the gop establishment wants. if the people have the numbers, they're not going to be happy with the republican party if we go into a brokered convention. >> so much more to discuss. houston, texas, thursday night, cnn hosts the next republican debate, a debate where a whole lot can happen based on the past. >> you saw the last debate. i can't wait to see this. >> also tomorrow at 9:00 and 12:00 eastern time, like virtually every major candidate in the race. >> we've got a lot more to come still tonight. stay with us. we'll be right back.
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when this thing started, there were 17 candidates. there are only six now, and i'm still one of them.
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and i'm not going anywhere. >> i'm not going anywhere and that is ben carson this evening after coming in last place in south carolina, and right now, he has over 7% of the vote there. >> tonight, carson as you heard refused to say he is leaving the race, and refused to give the concession speech, and he says that he is getting started. joining us now ben carson senior communication strategist jason osborne. jason, a lot of people if you are on twitter and talking to a lot of the political strategists say that ben carson should get out of the race. why won't he? >> well, i think they you have to look at the context of it, and like dr. carson said when we started the race we were 17th place in most polls. everybody was talking about dr. who and now they are talking about dr. carson and now we are in fifth place and in some polls fourth place, and as we move along, we have three states that
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have made decisions, and they voted. we still have another 53 to go. and there is a pathway here for us to move forward and dr. carson's message of being positive, not attacking the other candidates, actually getting out there and talking about the issues. they do resonate. we will see a lot of turmoil in the other folks in the race, and they will continue to attack each other, and we will still be standing. >> jason, what is the path that you see forward, because jeb bush clearly did not see a path anymore and he suspended the campaign this evening. >> well, you have to look at a number of factors. carson has the highest favorability and lowest unfaifability of any candidate out there. we still have a number of donations coming in. last month was a great month for us, and the current month that we are in, we are raising more than last month. our average donation is about $47. so as long as we continue to have the money, and we are still
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going, and moving forward into the caucus states where dr. carson has a little bit more of the opportunity to talk directly to the voters, and one-on-one, and we have a huge schedule or the pack scheduled in nevada and town halls starting outside of reno. so as we move along, we will will see more and more voters coming out, and recognizing that, you know what, we need somebody who is not part of the problem right now which is washington. if you are looking at the results here in south carolina, 40% of the voters went with somebody who has never been elected into political office. so dr. carson's message of, you know, heal, inspire and revive is something that a lot of the voters are still wanting in their president. >> all right. jason osborne with ben carson and ben carson is still in the race, not going anywhere, as he said. thanks for being with us.
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gentlemen, thanks for being with us. ben carson not leaving the race. a lot of ted cruz races say, he's got to get out, because they think ben carson is pulling directly from him. >> i can see why they think is that, and more importantly, they have to convince ben carson of that if they have any hope for him leaving the race for that reason. there is going to be a certain momentum that is going to be lead toward -- when we talk about the delegate counts after super tuesday and get through 12 additional states and the thresholds come in, and if you come in without 20%, you get nothing, and so at some point that logic may nudge him towards the exits. i don't believe that he ever thought that he was, as somebody who used to be the frontrunner and very popular with the evangelicals, dr.
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cashson would say ted cruz took voepts from me, not the other way around. >> and louis, when you are weighing n is that are reality? is it still conventional wisdom that ben carson is pulling votes from ted cruz? >> yeah, i think it is, although, they have been fu fugting -- fighting, so who knows? >> and meeting in closets apparently. >> and if -- and yes, meeting in the closets and, yeah, and if and when ben carson gets out, will there be hard feelings. and hearing the spokesman describe this race and frame it, i am old enough to remember when you mentioned it ben carson was in first or second place, and not that long ago and it is not like he is the little engine who could that started off with no support and is now in fifth place. he at one point not long ago was a front-runner. and has collapsed. i think that the fact that he's hanging on and refuses to get out is indicative of why marco rubio and ted cruz both have this problem. they can't get rid of these
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other guys. john kasich is rubio's problem, and presumably those votes go to rubio if and when kasich gets out. rubio had the bad debate in new hampshire, allowed kasich to come in second place. so the inability to consolidate support is really killing the anti-trump candidates. >> margaret hoover wants a piece of this. talk to me about ben carson moving forward and why he is staying in, and in general about march 1. >> well, ben carson started his campaign through a soft launch of book tour through all of the other candidates, and he started to accumulate all of the small dollar donations, and the largest states that the donations are coming are from are georgia, louisiana, texas, alabama, tennessee, kentucky, all of the states that are coming up on march 1, march 5. why would he quit now? that's why his huge base of support is, and he does continue
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to be an outsider. this is where all the momentum is. after that, the best he can hope for is an accumulation of delegates and holding on to those and bartering at the convention. but there's no reason to get out now. this is where his support is. >> and he gets a bigger platform, and fewer candidates more platform at the debate. >> and maybe one this thursday in houston, texas. >> yes, and cnn is going to be hosting the republican debate there. this will be big, folks. wolf blitzer moderates and we have, i think, six candidates, and we have not announced the official lineup. but a lot at stake there coming two days after the nevada caucuses, just few days before the march 1 primaries. we'll be right back.
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i am so thrilled and so grateful to all of my supporters out there. some may have doubted us, but we never doubted each other! >> never doubted each other. hillary clinton after a big win in nevada this evening. one of two big winners tonight. donald trump also a big winner tonight. but there are also a -- i'm going to say big again, big takeaways for tonight.
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we will bring in our eric who is a digital reporter for cnn politic, and you been doing a lot of work on some of the big takeaways for the evening, and where do we begin? >> well, start with jeb bush. this is the last night in the race. the man just really didn't meet the moment of this campaign. remember when he entered, mitt romney was someone that his campaign was concerned about running. the assumption was marco rubio would defer to jeb bush. donald trump was not even on the radar. the way that the race played out just did not work for him. it was not suited for him. and so now, the question is where does the support go? sure, we are talking about 8% support in south carolina, but we're talking about a lot of big donors, important staff members, influential reporters, and so there is going to be a fight, especially among marco rubio, and john kasich for the supporters. the assumption is that rubio is
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going to be pick up a lot of them, but kasich is banking on the big second-place showing in new hampshire, and he is hoping that right now he has the opening to start really raising some money, and he is the last governor of the race, and he is go ing to be betting a lot on the states like michigan and ohio which votes on march 15th, and a winner-take-all state. and so we will watch to see where bush's support goes. former senator norm coleman from minnesota tonight endorsed rubio, and we will will see if a lot of other people follow suit. >> and eric, standby, because as wolf blitzer would say, we have a key race alert. the unofficial vote count is complete in south carolina, and at the completion of the unofficial vote count, marco rubio is in second place. he has 22.5% of the vote, and ted cruz is 22.3%, and again -- >> separated by 1,000 votes almost. >> and the unofficial vote is over, but it is not necessarily the final result. this is it for the evening, but
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not final, because they will update with the provisional and the absentee ballots some of which still need to be counted, but as we are sitting here right now, marco rubio is in second place with every vote that has been out there counted so far. eric, i know that you have democratic takeaways as well. hillary clinton winning the nevada caucuses. take it away. >> and hillary clinton had a really important night, because she stopped bernie sanders' momentum here. if he had won nevada, the story would have been, you know, he has managed to break the minority firewall that hillary clinton had and in good shape, now, bernie sanders is entering a tough four-week stretch. tonight in his speech he said on to super tuesday, and in other words, he is is now basically conceding south carolina already. the super tuesday is tough, too, because there are a handful of states, and vermont is one of them that he should obviously win, but colorado, minnesota,
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massachusetts, oklahoma, and those are his best shots at picking up some super tuesday states, but hillary clinton is going to pickup a swath of delegates in the south in states like georgia, texas, virginia. after that, march, 8th, that is a key date for bernie sanders when michigan votes. that is a test of whether he can play in the great lakes. he needs to do really well there, and if he doesn't, and sorry to keep throwing the dates at you, but march 15th when five more big states vote, all of them are going to be looking good for hillary clinton. bernie sanders could be waking up a month from now looking at hillary clinton with an insurmountable delegate lead, so he has to survive the rough stretch before the race moves west and on to better territory for him. but tonight was huge for clinton, because she stopped the momentum that sanders had developed, and sort of soothe the donors and the candidate herself, and she is looking a
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lot stronger than she would have within been if she had lost nevada. >> and thank you, eric grabner with the big takeaways. a lot more to come from us, including despite the huge win in south carolina, donald trump's campaign, they do not think they are getting the credit they are due. what is behind this? we will have much more of the special coverage coming up after this.
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i'm natalie allen live from cnn atlanta. we have a late breaking story in the u.s. state of michigan. at least seven people are dead after a shooting rampage in the city of kalamazoo, michigan. the gunman attacked three seemingly random locations, shooting a total of nine people. an apartment complex, a car dealership, and a restaurant parking lot were all hit over the course of a few hours. a police spokesman gave some early details on the attacks. >> we've had several shootings here tonight. they all appear to be related. we have multiple people dead. in summary, what it looks like, we have somebody just driving around, finding people and shooting them dead in their tracks. >> at least one child is among
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those killed. an eyewitness described seeing police in pursuit of the suspect. >> as soon as he said like the type of vehicle, she said is it a chevy? i said it totally was. you just never expect it to be that person, and that's the thing, that's why my respect goes out to the police officers, because of the fact like i said, it takes a lot to subject yourself to those kind of things. i don't know, i can't imagine -- >> did you ever see a weapon? >> no. like i said, i was never that close. but i know for sure that was them as soon as i had seen all the police cars arrive. i was just, you know, driving right by. >> police now say they do have a "strong suspect in custody." earlier, john burman and kate bolduan spoke with cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes about the shooting.
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>> they're confident they have the suspect, but they're not going to put out to the people that they are absolutely sure they have him. they ought to be able to figure that out quickly, but we don't know what the basis of the arrest was. did they get a license plate description or a vehicle description and make a traffic stop? they have the suspect in custody, they should be able to do forensic examinations on him to see if he has gun powder residue, either on his hands or his clothing. if they have had a description of the subject and a license plate, but went to the residence and took him out of the residence, then they want to get a search warrant, and exam the residence for ammunition, and other items that could be associated with this incident. so there's a number of possibilities. >> that's the latest on this breaking story. i'm natalie allen.
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our special election night coverage continues with kate bolduan and john burman after a short break.
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john burman here with kate bolduan. this is cnn special live coverage of a very, very big election day. and donald trump a very, very
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big winner in south carolina. winning the south carolina primary by about ten points. this after he won new hampshire by more than that. if you can believe it, our reporters who cover donald trump tell us the campaign feels the media is not giving donald trump the credit he deserves. really? well, let's discuss this more. and joining us is dillon buyer, and he is on the vegas strip right now where the republican race now shifts, because they have caucuses there on tuesday, and dillon, what about this? the media not giving donald trump the credit that he deserve and somehow the suggestion is if we were another candidate and won as much as he has won so far, 2 of 3 races, people would say this race is all but over. >> well, initially, it seems like a hard argument to take seriously. you think about the breathless coverage that donald trump has been given. the media has always been more than happy and not just to interview him or to talk about him, but to take the rallies live.
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he has been driving the news cycle on a day-to-day basis and more so in iowa and new hampshire and in south carolina, and the media in that way has been favorable to him, and it is also true that if you took any other presidential candidate, and any candidate from 2012 from 2008, and if they had the strong showing in iowa that he had and landslide victories in new hampshire and south carolina, we would probably say, this guy is going to be the republican nominee. that is not exactly the conversation we're having about donald trump. >> and what about the scrutiny question? we heard from the cruz campaign that maybe now the media will start asking the hard questions and looking into donald trump in a way that -- i guess obviously his suggestion is the media has not to this point. do you think that it is a fair criticism? >> well, look, i think that many members of the media have asked donald trump tough questions, but the problem is that trump is
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proven to be a teflon don, an exceptional candidate. the regular rules don't apply. take for instance the fact that he said that he was against the iraq war, and now tapes have come out, and you know, buzzfeed has gone through the archives and found that well, no, he said that he was for it, and even up until the first day of the invasion. it just doesn't seem to matter to his supporters or voters. he just brushes it off in a way other candidates can't. so look, always work to be done in scrutinizing the candidates, but i don't know if ted cruz is making a fair argument there. >> and dylan beyers, we are going to be coming back to david gergen who was shaking his head vigorously. and why? >> listen, when john kennedy won that famous 1960 race, he turned to the press secretary pierre salinger, that is how we win the
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race. and if donald trump wins the nomination, he has a good chance to get there, and he should say the same thing, because he would not get there without television. he has more free time on television than i think any candidate in history, and he has used it masterfully, and no question, he's winning because he's so good on television. on the scrutiny point, yes, he's asked a lot of tough questions. but what has his business career really been like? people are going to ask questions and we don't know the answer to that. but i can tell you right now, the attorney general of new york state has a case against donald trump about trump university. and it's at the lower court of appeals, likely to be decided in the next 90 days. what is that all about? they're essentially arguing that trump university defrauded a lot of students.
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trump has vigorously denied this, so he has to have his day and his share of time to rebut it. but i'm just telling you, i think the media is now going to start taking him more seriously and try to vet what exactly has his business career been like? >> and david, that's all the past stuff. just in the speech tonight, you know, doubles down, triples down on mexico is going to pay for the wall, this is how much it cost. yes, they are going to pay for it. there's never an answer. i mean, donald trump makes a meglamaniac look like a person with low self-esteem. so this idea that he's not getting coverage, if you want coverage, you really have to start answering questions. it's not just sound bites and spouting things out when you want. you have to have details. they matter.
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it's a chief executive's job and the biggest job in the world. >> bill, answer this, when you say details matter, it's almost like what jeb bush said in his speech tonight. he said, ideas matter. but it hasn't. >> they don't seem to. i want to pick up one thing david said. donald trump, except for his airplane, he has spent very little money in this race. >> we just got a report, $17 million by the end of january. >> compared to $150 million for jeb bush. he's spent basically chump change. why? because he has so much free media. he owes us for where he is. we cover his speeches live and the whole thing. on your point, what gets me, one of the reasons i can't take him more seriously, is i cannot understand a word he says about -- when he talks about health care with anderson cooper
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the other night, he says we're going to do this or that. there are never any details and nobody pushes him saying what the hell do you mean? >> the government of the united states of america is not his private company where you tell people what to do or fire folks or it's my way or nothing else happens. >> no substance. >> it's the government. >> the question though, is, when or if voters in these states are going to demand that. there was a big shift in the democratic race. hillary clinton won the nevada caucuses by five points. yes, maybe three months ago we would have thought she would have won by 25. but two days ago, she might have lost. >> that's right. >> and you know that people in brooklyn are relieved. >> yes, they're relieved and happy. there are a couple of things going on here. one, she really did go out and work. she was tireless in the closing
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days, 1:30 in the morning, she's talking with people and trying to get them to come out and caucus for her. something bernie sanders did not do. he made only three appearances in the last few days. the other thing that is more troubling for bernie sanders, this was supposed to be his kind of a state. for five years in a row in the late 2000s -- >> economically speaking. >> they were harder hit by the foreclosures than anybody else. they have a really low minimum wage, $7.25 if you're getting health benefits. here's bernie sanders saying i'm going to double that to $15. so all he had to do was focus on this and he still couldn't close the sale to the degree he needed to. that is going to bode and point to the real problem that he may have going forward.
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>> it was not so long ago when hillary clinton said you wait until we get to nevada, because this is my type of the state, nevada. so you are saying it is bernie's state, but i still say hillary won. but bernie had a good showing tonight, and the clinton campaign has to look, you got 83% of young people. he beat her in the latino vote, and there is something that is resonating about bernie that hillary doesn't get yet, and she's got to get it if she is going to win this nomination and the election. >> free college, free health care. everything is free, and quite frankly, very few details about any of how we're going to make it free other than everybody around this table and a whole lot of other folks are going to pay for it. so who can be for that? >> you keep putting bernie down, but you are missing the point. there is something about his appealing to the hopes and the aspirations of people and
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hillary coming along like a wet blanket and saying no, you can't do it. >> i grow, but saying everything is free and everything is possible -- >> one thing that is not free, our coverage. we need commercials to pay for this. a lot more to discuss. we'll be right back. ♪
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