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26-year-old wife of el chapo, has she visited him in prison? >> she says she has been able to be there only once for 15 minutes, and that there was not really an opportunity to talk about many things because of the limits imposed on her, carol. >> i can only imagine. reporting live for us, thank you. thank you for joining me toi today. at this hour with berman and bolduan starts now. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. >> and i'm john berman. nevada you're on the clock. one day to go before the republican caucuses there and one day to see if donald trump can pick up one more win. he's in nevada this morning. rubio and cruz continuing their silver is the new gold tour, setting up a last-minute scramble for votes there.
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john kasich, you ask? he is not in nevada. he's holding a town hall right now. you're looking at john kasich in virginia. >> for the democrats, hillary clinton and bernie sanders are headed east to south carolina preparing for battle there. cnn's latest poll of polls shows clinton with a commanding lead in that state. sanders is absolutely not backing down, trying to build momentum as they race toward supertuesday. we'll have all that for you, plus this. president obama is getting ready to speak before the nation's governors at an event at the white house this morning. he's expected to take questions from those governors and with republican governors in the room, you can expect that q and a could get a little interesting. we'll bring you the president's remarks live when they happen. let's get started, though, with the republican rumble in nevada. cnn's chris frates is in las vegas with more on this. they're fanning out across
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nevada, most of them, chris. >> that's right. you have all the top winners from south carolina. donald trump, ted cruz, marco rubio, all coming to the state today for their last-minute push. nevada is an unpredictable state. it's difficult to poll here and the organization figuring out who is actually going to come out to vote is difficult. you have the three candidates making their push. donald trump wants to cement his lead atop the gop field with another win. cruz arguing he's the only true conservative in the race, and then rubio saying he's the only one who can unite the factions and take on the democrats in november. it's tough to poll here in nevada, but cnn did a poll last week that showed donald trump up 45 %, and then you had marco rubio at 19% and cruz at 17% in a virtual tie. you can see the fight between
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cruz and rubio in south carolina to continue here in nevada as they compete to take on donald trump, and donald trump not taking rubio for granted as he starts to ascend in nevada. questioning his eligibility to run for president, we saw that in iowa. ted cruz was questioned about whether or not because he was born in canada, whether he could run for president. donald trump doing that again to marco rubio because his parents were from cuba. rubio born in miami, says of course i'm a u.s. citizen. i'm eligible. we're seeing some of that same tough, dirty campaigning in nevada as donald trump turns some of his fire on marco rubio. this is only bound to get more heated and nasty before polls open tomorrow. >> that's south carolina sentiment traveling with them to nevada, it seems. chris, thanks. >> joining us, ben ferguson j jeffrey lor, and dana bash.
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ben, we're going to put you on the spot. you're no fan of donald trump. let us stipulate that. the question for you isn't why should trump be defeated by how. he's got a delegate lead right now, 67 to 1. it is early, but he has a delegate states. how is he stopped? >> well, one, you have to have a smaller field. it's obvious that donald trump supporters are solidified right around the 30% mark. that's good enough with a field as big as it is. i don't see how a guy like ben carson has a viable shot for the white house, a viable road, and i think a lot of people gain respect for jeb bush. he dropped out as soon as he realized this is not going to happen. for donald trump, you want everyone to stay in. that's how you're going to get your gains. it allows you to keep the focal point on you, even saying absurd and ridiculous things like marco
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rubio may not be an american citizen. i mean, this is how low we've gotten, yet his supporters say we don't care what when he says or does. we want him to win. if he has to say rubio isn't a citizen, so be it. you have to be putting pressure and kasich and carson to drop out. >> and jeffrey, you clearly think that trump should be unstoppable at this point as a supporter of mr. trump. what do you think of what ben says? >> i respectfully disagree with my friend, ben, here. i think if both ben carson and cruz were to drop out that a good bit of their support would go to trump. i don't buy into the notion that if everybody dropped out but rubio, all the support would go to rubio. i don't see that. i think there is an anti-establishment fury running through the republican party at
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this moment, and given just donald trump and an establishment candidate, they will into, the majority of them, i think, or at least a substantial number to donald trump. >> so, dana, you covered the republicans like glue, we like to say. there's been a movement in the last 24 hours in south carolina of establishment endorsements flocking to rubio. you know what? the list is going to grow, right? so the question is what does that do for marco rubio? what is his plan? how hard is he working? what's his path forward? >> well, it's not surprising since he's the only true establishment guy left. of course, you have john kasich, but he's not running as strongly as marco rubio. so what's his path forward? i think that's an open question given the fact that you do, as we heard, you do have more than one rubio opponent in the field. it's not just donald trump and
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marco rubio. it's donald trump and ted cruz who has a significant amount of support as well and marco rubio. i really do think it's not clear who is right, ben or jeffrey. it's not clear whether or not with the two or even three-person race all of the voters who are not trump supporters now will go to the anti-trump candidate or not. but one thing i think we should underscore when we're talking about delegates is that south carolina on saturday night was pretty remarkable. donald, it is not winner take all. it hasn't been since 2000. but donald trump got all of the delegates. he got all the delegates. it was proportional and didn't matter. i do think that we have to give credit where credit is due. in a state like south carolina which is pretty diverse, he got all the delegates. >> and the states, the states next week on super tuesday look
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a lot like south carolina in their make y their makeup. >> to that point, when you look at ted cruz who really, a lot of his candidacy in the early states was on winning over evangelical support. trump won them 34 to 26 in south carolina. can cruz beat trump going forward anywhere if he can't win those voters back over? >> yes. if the field is smaller. this needs to be a three-man race. i think rubio and cruz both are viable options and candidates if it's a three-way race. as long as it stays a larger field, no. it will be hard for them to beat him in a state because donald trump supports are solid. he was right when he said i could go in the street and shoot a man and no one would leave me. he can question another man's eligibility for president in rubio who is obviously an
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american citizen, and people say yes, donald, giver us more of that. he's defied all the logic in politics. his people love him. as long as it stays the large eer field, he'll continue to win, and others will have to pick up delegates where they can in proportional states. otherwise it will be donald trump's to win or lose. >> the smaller field theory, cruz and rubio aren't going anywhere. this smaller field, even if you get it, i don't think kasich is going anywhere either, but leave that aside, if it's a three man race, donald trump still has a huge number of delegates for another month. >> but i think if you start to get this smaller, people start to really look at the issue of, okay, am i going to want donald trump as president who has supported planned parenthood and given money to the clintons and said that other people aren't even american citizens. that's when people really start to look and say do i want him to
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be president, and i think that's when you see one of these two candidates start to take a lead. >> i think what ben is saying is a very good point. if you listen to the anybody but trump republican point of view, and there are a lot of them out there, they will say over and over again, his ceiling is 30 to 35%. that's the reason why he's winning because the rest of the field is so split up. but there's no way to prove that until and unless the field isn't split up and john berman, to your point, marco rubio isn't going anywhere. ted cruz isn't going anywhere. john kasich ha has the ohio -- he's the governor of ohio, has the ohio primary on march 15th which is winner take all. it will be very difficult to see him going anywhere before that. >> when you lay it out that way, dana, it looks like the field, other than donald trump, they need something to happen. could it come in the debate on thursday? very possibly. could it come in a big
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endorsement, the biggest one lingering out there is mitt romney. why hasn't he come out yet, do you think? what are you hearing about? it seems the worst kept secret he will endorse, but why not now? they need help now. >> he's a very meticulous person. we know that from watching him over two election cycles. until now he hasn't done it because he's had lots of friends in the race. chris christie was in the race who is a real friend. jeb bush, other people who he knows well and he didn't want to do that to one of his friends. now, you know, he has maybe a relationship with john kasich but it's not the same. i think you're right. it's entirely plausible, probable, if he endorses he would do to rubio, but i'm not so sure that's going to make such a big statement. it might -- >> i don't think it will help that much. >> jeffrey, go ahead? >> i would ad add one thing to
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da dana. if mitt romney does endorse, i think endorse marco rubio, i don't think that helps rubio. i think all that does is further mark him as the establishment guy and hurt him. >> i agree. >> go ahead, ben. >> if i was the rubio campaign right now, i would want to delay a mitt romney endorsement as long as i possibly could, especially, i wouldn't want it during the sec pry marry and southern states. i think it hurts you. late -- >> but other northern states also. >> and that's where it would help you, but i think it would be debt ri mental in the south. they don't like him in the south. they voted for santorum in the last election. i don't think i would want that endorsement right now. >> only further allowing donald trump to say i'm the outsider,
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the guy everyone is up against. that's the one thing you see in every exit poll so far is that's what they want. change. throw the bums out and the outsider candidate. great to see you. thanks so much. >> the moving band wagon. >> thanks, guys. >> one programming note. the five remaining republican candidates meet head to head. this is a huge deal. this could be one of the last big chances that marco rubio and ted cruz get to knock donald trump down. this is a gop debate, cnn is hosting it thursday night in houston, texas. wolf blitzer is the moderator, 8:30 p.m. on thursday. any moment now, president obama inside the white house, he will address the national association of governors. we are told the president is going to take questions from the governors. if you're a governor, what would you ask president obama? that's coming up. >> plus this. neighbors said that he would a nice guy.
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now from inside the white house. president obama about to address the national governor's association. the audience will be our nation's governors. he'll talk to them and take questions from the governors. this should be interesting. this morning. i see the governor of virginia, a big politico himself. new momentum this morning for hillary clinton in the democratic race. she holds a commanding lead over bernie sanders in south carolina which holds the primary on saturday. >> this as she's riding high following her win in nevada over the weekend. as this race has shown who is up, who is down can change and
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change fast. the senior washington respondent joining us from charleston with much more on this. what's the state on the race today, jeff? >> reporter: good morning. no one knows better than hillary clinton how fast a race can change. she thought that she would be eyeing the general election by this point. she's still locked in a democratic primary fight. they're taking it seriously in south carolina. there's no question she comes into south carolina with so many advantages. particularly among african american voters who we talk about a lot, made up some 55% of the democratic vote here in the 2008 primary which she lost. even inside of that, the most important constituency here in south carolina over the next week are african american women voters. that's why the clinton campaign is aggressively rolling out a new advertisement. campaigning with mothers who have children to died in gun violence. bernie sanders developed by a prayer breakfast meeting, and he
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told voters, do not let them decide for you. decide for yourself. let's take a listen. >> we've got a lot of work in front of us. do not allow people to say to you, think small. we can't do this. it's too big an idea. no. if we take that mentality, nothing would have ever been accomplished. if we had that mentally of thinking small, do you think we would have an african american as president of the united states today? if you were to say, this country will never overcome this racism. can't be done. do you think women today would have all kinds of opportunities that they didn't have 100 years ago? 100 years ago women couldn't vote in america. >> talking about the women's vote in america.
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that's important here. really, the exact voters who both the candidates are going after here. the standards campaign is looking ahead toward super tuesday. going into this next week, that town hall tomorrow night in south carolina with bernie sanders and hillary clinton, so important here. their final chance to make the chase to voters and answer questions have voters who may still be undecided. >> interesting. we know bernie sanders is looking ahead past south carolina. he said he's looking forward to campaigning in the super tuesday states. >> 911ing us is the former white house director and brad woodhouse. it's great to see you guys. >> good morning. >> good morning. jumping right off of what jeff was talking about, the key vote.
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders are going for right now in south carolina, african american voters, women african american voters. when you take a look at the entrance polls from nevada, it shows you has a significant advantage there. clinton's 76% support in nevada, sanders, 22%. that's a huge delta between the two. >> for a white candidate. >> huge. i wouldn't say bernie sanders is less than white. >> fair point. >> does bernie sanders have time to turn this bernie sanders before voters go to the polls in south carolina? >> no. i think there's a good reason that bernie sanders in his nevada speech started talking about super tuesday and the march 1st primaries. he doesn't want south carolina to be seen as a make or break moment for his campaign. it was never going to be a state where he did very well. the demographics are wrong, and it's a state where hillary clinton has spent time, where she has a lot of deep support,
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and where her message which is increase dpli around the intersection of race, gender, and economic injustice, is working. so i would say the sanders campaign is going to compete there because they understand he has to compete, but that they're looking very much past it toward the march 1st primaries. >> you talk about race, gender and justice. there's a new ad that hits those points incredibly hard. clinton is doing events and putting ads up with mothers of people who have been killed and involved in policealtercations. >> she says their names. >> unarmed. >> the man did nothing wrong. >> and makes their mothers fight for justice her own. she speaks for a city poisoned by indifference. >> we need action now. >> and stands with the president against those who would undo his achievements. just like -- >> you think this ad is the
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message and you think it resonates? >> i think that this ad is clearly the message. if you look at when she started shifting slightly in her message, i think very effecti effectively, right at the end of new hampshire and then into nevada where it became a message that, yes, economic unjustice is a piece of this, but there are other unjustices out there. we want to break down the barriers. that helped her in nevada in terms of staving out of a sanders victory had he won the caucuses. it's more authentic to who she is and her record than maybe some of the messages she's been trying in the past. authenticity works, as bernie sanders. >> yes. exactly. brad, what does nevada tell you for south carolina and broaden it out. take it to super tuesday which is where we'll see more competition between sanders and clinton so folks think. what does nevada tell you? >> well, first of all, i think
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nevada tells you that bernie sanders is not the candidate of momentum. i think people thought after new hampshire that he was the candidate of momentum, that he would tie or win in nevada. i think what we found is that he was a regional candidate in new hampshire. a poll came out showing he has an 86 to 10 lead in vermont. i think that explains why he did so well in new hampshire and why he's going to massachusetts today. he's trying to find any friendly terrain he can. but it's not just the demographics of south carolina that don't do well or don't -- aren't strong for bernie sanders. it's a whole bunch of states in march. it's tennessee. it's arkansas. it's alabama. in fact, i think it's most of the democratic primary contests that you have coming up aren't suited well to his campaign. >> well, i mean, there is massachusetts. there is vermont. >> spending a lot of money in
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colorado and minnesota. >> those are places he thinks he can do well. >> but john -- >> hang on. there's another thing bernie sanders thinks will help. it's about a state of honesty. clinton clint hillary clinton still has a problem convincing voter she's honest. she gets killed on the issue. people say honesty is an issue for them. they go to sanders, and she talks about this. she talked to jake tapper about it. listen. >> i think there's an underlying question that maybe is really in the back of people's minds, and that is is she in it for us or is she in it for herself. i think that's a question that people are trying to sort through. >> so is there a way to fix that or do you work around that, brad? >> well, look, whether or not there's a way to fix it, you're just talking about one measure of a candidate.
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look, there were -- polls came out last week that showed she was leading in 10 of the 12 states that hold contest between march 1st and march 8th th. in all of those states with exception of vermont, she by far wins in commander in chief. she wins on another measure, he wins on another measure. she's winning more states and more delegates, notwithstanding that one result. i think we can overstate how important that the. he won that 82-12. she won the nevada caucus by 6 percentage points. what in the end did it really matter? th in the end they'll vote with people who can braeak barriers. bernie sanders, i don't know, breaking dishes, i guess. >> do you think folks are overstating the part of honest
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and trustworthy characteristic? that's always the stand out. if people trust you and they can look you in the eye and if you're someone who will be in their corner, they can trust what's coming out of your mouth, if it's not a problem in the primaries, is it a problem in the general? >> primaries are totally different from the general election. one of the things that happens in the koursz of primaries is that more and more voters start tuning in as the contest moves to bigger, you know, it's really a national contest, and increasingly more voters tune in. people start making judgments about her based on how she's winning the primaries and conducting herself. the broader general election audience is not paying a lot of attention to the primaries right now. i think everyone who kind of tries to project out and say this is a problem, that is a problem, there's a lot of campaign to go. back in october, everyone was saying the primary was over. >> this is someone who has been in the public eye for so long. to change that brand, to change
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that measure? >> i think the fact that she talked about it so openly with jake on sunday was an example of how she's decided to confront it directly which is better than trying to deny it exists or laughing it off or saying it doesn't matter. if she confronts it honestly, it's the first step forward people saying she gets there's a problem. maybe i want to listen to her. i think she recognizes it and her decision to talk about it is the kind of thing you have to do in order to earn the credibility with voters. >> i think president obama hang on one second. president obama is speaking. let's listen. >> get to host for you. like me, some of you might be in the final year of your last term, working as hard as you can to get as much done as possible for the folks that you represent. fixing roads, educating our children, helping people retrain, appointing judges, the
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usual stuff. [ laughter ] >> those of you who have been in office far while have always witnessed all the progress that we have made together and it's been a partnership. the millions of new jobs created, millions of people newly covered with health insurance, the new energy projects that are popping up all across every state that's represented here. i do want to comment before i take questions, on the issue of security for the american people. whatever our party, we all raise our hand and take an oath and assume the solemn responsibility to protect our citizens and that is a mission that should ru night us as americans. today we're focussed on three threats in particular. first and foremost is terrorism. the attacks in garland, texas,
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in chattanooga, in san bernardino, were attacks in good and decent communities, but they were also attacks on our entire country. as americans, we are united in support of the men and women in uniform from every state who lead the coalition we've built with the mission to destroy isil. we're working with other nations to prevent terrorists from swrg the united states. we're unwavering in our efforts to prevent attacks at home, and that's where the partnership with your governments come in. this is a shared mission. across the country we have more than 100 joint terrorism task forces, federal, state, local experts working together to disrupt threats. at the state level, your fusion cells are pushing information out to law enforcement. we've also -- we also need to make sure our extraordinary law enforcement professionals and first responders have the equipment and the resources they
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need, and we have to stay united as one american family working with communities to help prevent loved ones from becoming radicalized and rejecting any politics that tries to divide the american people on the basis of faith. so this is something that -- this is a shared project. it's not something that we do together. one of the genuine areas of progress that i've seen since i came into office, and it was started in the previous administration and this is one of the findings of the 9/11, was breaking down some of the silos between federal, state, and local law enforcement when it comes to countering terrorism. we've made progress on that. that's where state and local partners are absolutely critical. this is not something that the federal government can do alone, particularly because many of the attacks may end up being lone wolf attacks rather than those imported from the outside. the attack in san bernardino
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killed 14 of our fellow americans, and here's a hard truth. we probably lost even more americans than that to guns this weekend alone. on saturday another one of our communities was terrorized by gun violence as many of you read, six people were gunned down in a rampage in michigan. before i joined all of you, i called the mayor, the sheriff, and the police chief there and told them that they would have whatever federal support they needed in their investigation. their local officials and first responders did an outstanding job in apprehending the individual very quickly, but you got families who are shattered today. earlier this year i took some steps that will make it harder for dangerous people like this individual to buy a gun, but clearly we're going to need to do more if we're going to keep innocent americans safe.
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and i've got to assume that all of you are just as tired as i am of seeing this stuff happen in your states. that's an area where we also need to partner and think about what we can do in a common sense way, in a bipartisan way without some of the ideological rhetoric that so often surrounds that issue. a second area of threats is cyber threats. the technology that connects us like never before also allows our adversaries to do us harm. hackers and nations have targeted our military, our corporations, the federal government, and state governments. they're a threat to our national security. they're also a threat to our economic leadership. they're a threat to our critical infrastructure. they're a threat to the privacy and public safety of the american people. this is a complex challenge, and we're not going to be able to meet it alone. we've made a lot of progress
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these past seven years, including sharing more information with industry and with your states. but all of us are still vulnerable. so this is why earlier this month i launched the cyber security national action plan and proposed significant funding to push our cyber security efforts in a more aggressive direction. we're going to start a major overhaul of federal computer systems. i want to do more with your states including sharing more information about threats. we have initiated a joint bipartisan commission made up of one of my national security advisors, former national security advisors, but joined with the former ceo of ibm so that they can work together to
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help provide us a sense of direction both at the federal and state levels as well as the private sector in terms of how we move forward on this. we're going to want your input. i think we probably have some good ideas about where your vulnerabilities are in terms of your state databases and what you're doing. that's an area where i think we can work together. finally, we have to remain vigilant when it comes to the spread of disease. since late last year my administration has been focussed on the threat of zika. so far while there's no evidence of zika spreading in the united states, there are confirmed cases in puerto rico, and it's important that we convey basic facts, including that it's not like ebola. ebola was spread human to human. based on what we know right now,
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zika virus spreads from a bite from a certain kind of mosquito. as all of you have read, the possible connection between zika virus and health problems means we have to take precautions, particularly with respect to women who are pregnant or trying to get pregnant. we're going to be fighting this disease at every level with every tool at our disposal. i've called on congress to approve about $1.9 billion in emergency funding for our efforts at home and abroad. >> you've been listening to president obama inside the white house. a workman like address talking about terrorism and other things that matter to governors. two things i noticed. he made a joke about appointing judges. he said all of you, you have jobs like appointing jobs. that got a laugh, and the president also said he spoke to officials in kalamazoo, michigan
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where there is the shooting spree over the weekend. he praised the response from law enforcement in michigan. >> congratulating them for apprehending the man quickly. saying they're going to get all the support that they need. let's bring in our white house correspondent right now for more on this. last night, michelle, when he was toasting with the governors he also made a joke about maybe he would be addressing them in the next round as a governor himself saying he wanted to see his wife's reaction when he made that joke. but as john said, businesslike address that the president is making right now. >> yeah. he also made a joke last night about the nominee in a that he needs to choose saying he's going to fulfill his duty by delivering remarks at the dinner last night and he hoped everybody would give him a fair hearing on that. he's making reference to it. we know the president spent a significant amount of his weekend. that's how the white house is framing it, looking over all of this information that the white house team has compiled on his
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potential nominees. at this point the white house is saying it's not quite a short list. let's not call it that yet. there's a lot of information gathered on more than two people is how they're saying it. when you look at the binder, there's a photo of the president starting his weekend on friday carrying this huge binder, and it looked like -- of course, reporters are going to want to scrutinize that photo. it looked like it was divided into at least nine sections. that could mean there are nine possible nominees he's looking at right now. the white house says the list could grow and change. this is early days. what could be interesting about the address to the governors of america today, not all of them in r in attendance. this is the national governor's association. he's going to take some questions from some of those governors. and that could touch on the supreme court nominee. that's what we're listening for today, john and kate. >> it looks almost as if he
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might be taking questions right now from those governors. do we want to dip back in? let's listen. >> the benefit of the people of utah and people that are world travelers overall. again, and effort of commu communication and cooperation which i think is a success. i harken back to a failure of lack of communication in a previous administration in utah. the vice president -- >> where's jack? >> at any rate, the problem was that governor mike levit found out about the designation by reading the washington post. that was the other side of the coin of not good communication. i expect all governors have successes and probably where we could do better. and so my question to you, mr.
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president, really is in the effort of the national governor's association. what can we do as an nga, as states to communicate better with the federal government and what can the federal government do to better communicate with the state. this should go post us. we're all off in the sunset some time. but it would be nice if there was a process to make sure we work together and communicate better and have better outcomes on behalf of the american people. >> good. well, first of all, i think the nga generally has been a terrific partner for us. i hope you feel the same way. my instructions to my cap net, to my secretaries, have always been that we have certain laws, statutes, mandates yarks ththat to abide by. >> president obama answering questions about state federal
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all right. happening soon, the arraign for the man in michigan accused of killing six people in a shooting rampage and two injured. no motive has come about. the gunman doing his job as an uber driver. >> one of the fares said he had to escape the vehicle.
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>> he got maybe a mile from my house. he got a telephone call, and after that telephone call he started driving really erratical erratically. we were kind of driving through medians and the lawn. speeding along, and then finally once he came to a stop i jumped out of the car and ran away. >> that sounds terrifying, especially when you know what happened after that. ryan young is outside the courthouse. what are relearning about how it's going to play out today? >> reporter: well, we've learned probably about one 30, 2:00 when this arraignment will happen. the ride in the uber, there was a guy on the inside of the car who asked him, hey, are you the shooter because the car matched the description, and then apparently he said i'm not the shooter. which we obviously know now that at least according to police, he was the shooter. they have surveillance video from the car dealership where he shot two people. that's how they were able to describe the car.
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to take you through the time line, this started around 6:35 when he pulled into an apartment parking lot and opened fire on a woman walking with children. shot her several time. the woman was able to survive. she's in critical condition. he went and shot a father and son, killing both of them before moving onto that cracker barrel where he shot four women sitting in a car, and we're told all four of them over the age of 60, they died, and a 14-year-old was shot in that same parking lot. we were told she was pronounced dead, but she survived. this has been a miraculous story from the community in terms of people coming out and talking about the pain. we know two to the victims, barbara hawthorn, and marry joe nye. both of them died in the shooting. we went to a vigil where people were talking act how the
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community is trying to come together as they don't understand what happened to cause this man to snap and start shooting several innocent people. >> ryan young, thank you so much. we'll watch closely to see what happens in that courtroom today. >> we'll bring in jonathan, our cnn analyst. this is unusual. six people dead. others badly injured. in no apparent motive at all. what do you make of this? >> killing never really makes sense to us, but when we look at the way the fbi and psychologists define different kinds of killing, there's single homicide which is the most typical one. you have mass murder which is normally one single killing or a period of time where more than one person is killed.
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a lot of times when that happens, there's visions of grandiose, revenge, or retaliation associated with that. what's interesting about this, though, is that there's no real -- as far as we can see now -- clear motivation. it was clearly random as to who this person picked off. and the only time we typically see that randomness is when terrorism issed involved. which we don't know if there's any type of, you know, mentality or motivation that has anything to do with any beliefs at this point in time. but it doesn't appear to me that there is and when you add to that what the first -- what the passenger that got out said, that he was driving sporadic, it appears to me that it's pointing towards more of a mental break of some kind. >> what do you make of the targets. this is one thing, this was happening saturday night, when we were here. that's one thing that we kept talking about. car dealership, a cracker barrel, what do you make of the targets? >> when somebody has a mental break, it's no different than if
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you see somebody who's suffering from schizophrenia or something, where they have just random thoughts and visions of, you know, who knows exactly what's going inside a person's brain when they're having that break. so this person could have been just been picking a target as he drove by them or as things were happening in his brain, the same as when he was driving. why was he driving in the middle of the road on the median, you don't know what was going on inside his brain at this point. >> we do know six people are dead in this horrible, horrible tragedy. jonathan gilliam, thank you so much for being with us. coming up for us, rudy giuliani advising donald trump. the candidate confirms he's getting advice from deep within the republican party. so what does this mean for donald trump's ongoing battle as he takes on the gop establishment? we'll be right back. s pain, so you don't have to stop. because you believe in go. onward. today's the day. carpe diem. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain
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both giuliani and trump confirm they've spoken several times on the phone over the last month about big, important things about running for president. >> quote/unquote, campaign issues. let's discuss and bring in cnn political commentator, errol louis. great to see you, thanks for joining us overnight. that was a lot of fun. what do you make of this? rudy giuliani, donald trump, hmm? >> what i make of this is, donald trump taking another step toward a very interesting break point i think we're going to see in the near future, which is that as trump continues to rack up delegates, what looks like right now. because the next president is not just the commander in chief and not just the head of the government and not just the head of state, but also the head of the party. and i think we haven't seen any senators endorse him openly. i think the closest to an
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elected official, the most powerful one has been henry mcmaster. but let's keep in mind, he was also a three or four-time state chair of the south carolina republican party. we're getting near the point where people are going to have to figure out whether or not th they're going to continue to fight with trump or make some kind of an accommodation. i see trudy giuliani connection the leak as a step in that direction. >> and we've spoke with rudy giuliani and he's said he's perfectly onge with trump being president. not an endorsement yet. >> we'll see. i mean, the joe arpaio's of the world, the sort of controversial characters, the sarah palin's from the elected world, are not the kind of validators that trump is going to need if he wants to have a hostile takeover of the entire republican establishment. so he's going to need people like america's mayor, somebody sort of in good standing, a guy like rudy giuliani. electorally, we remember when rudy giuliani ran for president
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in 2008. i think he got one delegate, right? so he is not going to provide any help on the ground. there's nothing resembling an effective political organization nationwide from rudy giuliani. >> that's what i was going to ask you, errol. it seems like the help for donald trump that giuliani can provide, especially when they want to leak it and talk about it, isn't necessarily in nevada or electorally at all. >> in the south. >> that's right. although it does make an interesting case, it underscores an interesting case that trump has been making, which is that i, donald trump, can get reagan democrats. i can put states like new york in play, that republicans normally don't even attempt to win. rudy giuliani, plus donald trump, does, in fact, put new york in play. trump himself is probably not all that popular. he's never run for office here before. but we know that rudy giuliani has a lot of support, not just in the city, in fact, mostly not in the city, but in the upstate areas, and in the suburbs, certainly, he is fondly remembered. >> this is fascinating. errol louis, thanks so much for being with us, we appreciate it.
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see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we're going to begin with breaking news this hour, in kalamazoo, michigan. about 1:30, an hour and a half from now eastern time, the man accused of driving around that county, randomly shooting at eight people, killing six of them, is going to appear in court. and for the first time, we could hear his voice. just minutes ago, we heard the president, president obama, weighing in on these shootings for the very first time. and he did it while he was speaking with the national governor's association. here's what he had to say. >> on saturday, another one of our communities was terrorized by gun violence. as many of you


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