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happening now in the "newsroom," donald trump takes on protesters. >> smiling laughing, like to punch him in the face i'll tell you. >> ted cruz, immigration. >> e with should enforce the law. federal law requires anyone here apprehended should be deported. >> also, copy cat clinton? >> i saw a tv ad, i thought it was me. >> and that wasn't sanders' only slam. wall street super packs. will ramp up attacks get his backers to show up and vote. and protesting for privacy. nationwide rallies planned in support of apple for refusing to
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unlock a terrorist iphone. and now bill gates and mark zuckerberg weigh in. what do you think should happen. let's talk. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. in the next hour president barack obama will deliver a statement on his plan to goes gtmo. now home to 91 detainees including this man. the alleged master mind of the 9/11 attacks. barbara starr with mor good morning. >> they wanted to see the president's plan to shut down guantanamo bay and transfer the remaining detainees to the united states. some will go back overseas. they have about 90 left there. somebody will be transferred to their home countries. some will go other countries. but as soon as they get the population down as far as they
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can there will be a hard core group of detainees the president has wanted to bring to the united states. a lot of legalities to this but the practical fact this. congress has thrown a significant roadblock in that idea banning any money being spent to transfer that small group to the u.s. prison system. so what will this report say? the president by all accounts is going to acknowledge he needs congress's approval. secretary defense ash carter, keen military leaders have said there is going to have to be some legislative understanding all of this to make it happen. a lot of talk over the months from the white house, could he do it by executive action but this is going to provoke a fire storm of controversy in congress. right now the cost they say of keeping a small number at guantanamo baby would actually exceed the cost of keeping a prisoner in the federal system. so what they hope to do is get the population down so low that
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they can convince congress this is the only economical alternative. but we've seen years of opposition to this idea carol. >> barbara starr live from the pentagon and this news is going to break around 10:30 eastern, ooel keep you posted. >> hours from caucus night and the republican candidates are sweeping the state trying to stay on message. trump making one last pitch to voters, ramping up his rhetoric. even lashing out at a protester. >> do you know what i hate? there is a guy totally disruptive. throwing punches. we're not allowed to punch back anymore. i love the old days. do you know what they used to do to guys like that when they are in a place like this, they would be carried out on a stretcher folks. here a guy throwing punches, nasty as hell. screaming t everything else when we're talking about we're not allowed. the guards have gentle. he's walking out with big high
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fives, smiling laughing. like to punch him in the face i tell you. >> ted cruz in damage control mode firing his campaign's national spokesman for sharing a false story about marco rubio dismissing the bible. the video, which you will see right here claims rubio said there weren't many answers in the bible. what he actually said was that the bible had all of the answers. let's bring in cnn political reporter sarah murray live in las vegas this morning. good morning. >> good morning carol. you are right. so this is the first western nominating contest for republicans and could be a wild one. turnout tends to be very low. which makes polling very unpredictable. despite wild comments and in light of the fact many of his competitors seem to be struggling donald trump is hoping to lock in another win in nevada. >> forget the word caucus. just go out and vote. okay? >> while marco rubio appears set
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on a massive endorsement. >> i'm supporting rubio. >> he's conservative and he's electable. >> and arguing it is time for republicans to rally behind him as the alternative to trump before it is too late. >> if we nominate that half of the republican party hates we're going to be fighting against each other all the way to november. we will never win that way. >> right now trump's blows are trained firmly on ted cruz. >> this guy is sick. there is something wrong with this guy. >> just hours before voters cast their ballots in nevada. >> it is las vegas, it is a little tricky. cruz is still trying to nix the narrative that his campaign plays dirty. >> cruz lies more than any human being i've ever dealt with. unbelievable. >> every single day something comes out of cruz campaign that is accidentive and untrue. >>deceptive and untrue. >> yesterday cruz fired his
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campaign director after the staffer distributed a video that appeared inaccurately to show marco rubio dismissing the bible. as cruz struggled to regroup john kasich had his own awkward moment saying women left their kitchens to support his 1970s state house bid. >> we just got an army of people and many women to go out door to door. >> his off hand comment quickly called out by a voter. >> aisle come to support you but i won't be coming out of kitchen. >> i got you. i got you. >> now today bars season wading in with his own eyebrow raidsing comment saying president obama was raised white. take a listen. >> like most americans, i was proud that we broke the color barrier. when he was elected. but i also recognize that his experience and my experience are
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night and day different. he didn't grow up like i grew up by any stretch of the imagination. not even close. >> that's right. his an african american as opposed to an african american. >> he's an "african" american. you know, he was raised white. many of his formative years were spent in indonesia. so for him to, you know, claim that he identifies with the experience of black neamericans think is a bit of a stretch. >> so carol you see there the lone african american candidate on the republican side questioning the first black president's black experience. we'll get a better sense of how that comment is playing out i'm sure later this morning. back to you. the cruz camp, let's talk about that. because it is in zis array at the very bad time. cruz needs a decisive win in nevada or second place to prove he is the candidate to beat
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donald trump. you could argue his next step to beat trump is to echo trump's most popular themes. listen. >> build that wall. we're gonna build that wall. don't worry about it. we're gonna build that wall. we're going to build the wall and who's going to pay for that wall? who? >> we should build a wall. we should triple the border patrol. >> the first thing we do is get the bad ones out. we have a law. right? you are supposed to come in legally. i would get people out and i would have a expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. >> federal law requires anyone here -- >> -- look for them. mr. trump would look for them to get them out. would you do that. >> bill, of course you would. that is what ice exists for. >> okay. so is cruz become trump's mini
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me? with me now, senior policy analyst at the independent women's forum, and jamie weinstein, welcome both of you. is cruz just echoing trump now? or is there real differences between the candidates? >> i think he's trying to be more extreme than his position previously. in 2013 he called for trying to come up with some solution to bring immigrants out of shadows and create a pathway to legalization. now he's trying to echo donald trump. i think the real question here is whether it is a resonant issue. exit polls in new hampshire and south carolina showed voters don't rank immigration as one of their top concerns and most voters in both states, republican voters actually favor path for legalization for immigrants. so it seems this is a bizarre strategy if he's trying to expand his support in the republican base but he does seem like he's trying to match donald
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trump in the hopes he soars in the polls. >> dooubl he's righ you believe? >> i believe voters are really looking for a candidate who's extremely tough on the issue of immigration, then they may have already found themselves in donald trump's camp and may not be willing to switch now. i don't believe this is a wise strategy either. i thought for a while that ted cruz would be trying to talk tough on the issue of immigration during the republican primary and then would pivot to the center back towards a position he held in 2013, a path to legalization during the general election should he take the nomination so he could broaden his appeal with the general electorate. but these comments last night seem to make it impossible now for him to do so. >> he said some of those comments last night to bill o'reilly. i want to go back to cruz firing his communications guy. he fired rick tyler for
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underhanded tactics. cruz toughened language towards undocumented immigrants. marco rubio picked up a new wave of establishment gop endorsement yesterday. about 16 i believe. do you get the sense cruz is panicking? or is he making changes in an orderly fashion? >> well i was there yesterday when he made the announcement that he was firing rick tyler and all the press was shocked. they didn't see this coming. but i think what we saw is again back to the exit polls in south carolina when they asked who is running the most dishonest campaign, ted cruz won out by far. so he might have saw he had a problem there with marco rubio and donald trump attacking him on maybe the dishonest tactics they claimed he was using and he saw this as a way to show voters that he's trying to get a handle on his campaign and that he's not trying to run a dishonest campaign. so he hopes maybe to stop the bleeding. we'll see if that happens. neither donald trump nor marco
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rubio's campaign seem to be buying it though. >> but doesn't this move by firing rick tyler put cruz in handcuffs when it comes to really going negative on donald trump? >> i don't think so. but ultimately any decision that the campaign has made about staffing, who they have hired, who they have fired is a reflection of the candidate himself. so as jamie mentioned nationwide, republicans like to talk about how hillary clinton's struggles with this characteristic of honesty and trust worthiness. and ted cruz isn't doing much better nationally and this is another problem. there are two issues. the fact they released the video to start with and then of course their response was too slow and in the case of firing a staffer and trying to blame one particular staffer for a video that surely had to get some kind of approval from other members of the campaign staff, that is troubling. >> thanks to both of you. the five remaining candidates will meet for the next gop
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bernie sanders taking off the gloves in his battle with hillary clinton. the vermont senator using campaign stops monday to blast clinton on everything from her super pack to her ties to wall street and he says he's just getting started. >> in the coming weeks we are going to continue to contrast our point of view with secretary clinton's on a number of issues. >> senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny from south carolina at the democratic town hall.
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good morning. >> good morning. the democratic side is nothing like the republican side where the volume is slightly higher shall we say. but for bernie sanders that is a pretty intense way of saying he's going to spend the next several weeks in a sort of negative attack. much more of a negative campaign than we've seen him so far. and the reason is this. hillary clinton is coming into the south carolina with the wind at her back no question about it. she now has a small lead in the number of delegates. a much bigger lead in super delegates, which we talk about so much. but bernie sanders is already looking ahead to those super tuesday states a week from today. i thought it was so interesting yesterday up in massachusetts when he acknowledged he is so far behind in the african american vote, which of course is so important here in south carolina. >> behind today in the african american vote. the answer is yes. we are. but i would also tell you that we are making progress. and i believe we will continue to make progress. as the african american
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community understands my record, understands our very strong feelings about reforming a broken criminal justice system. and has allowed this country to have more people in jail than any other country on earth, largely african american and latino. >> now there is no question that message is resonating particularly with younger african american voters. but senator sanders is of course not going to be left alone drawing these attacks. the clinton campaign i'm told by senior advisors is going to adopt a three part strategy. diminish bernie sanders. define bernie sanders and defeat bernie sanders. they are not going to let their foot off the gas here, even though she is slightly ahead now because they believe one of the biggest miscalculations of this campaign so far was
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underestimating him from the very beginning carol. so they are going to keep defining him and we're going see much more of that tonight here in south carolina at the town hall meeting. >> jeff zeleny reporting live this morning. thank you. starts at 8:00 eastern only here on cnn. >>. president obama is asking lawmakers to approve $1.9 billion to combat the spread of zika virus. the white house also wants approval to use leftover funds from 2014 which were designated for the ebola virus. officials estimate 3 to 4 million people in the americas could be affected with the zika virus next year and a missouri democrat noted her prognosis is good and expects a full
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recovery. the search for a motive continues in the kalamazoo shooting rampage. investigators say the uber driver accused of massacring six people admitted to the killings. but the married father of two has not explained why he allegedly went on his bloody shooting spree. one witness says a mystery phone call might have set the 47-year-old off. >> he received a telephone call. it was over the bluetooth. once he hung up with that phone call is when he started driving really erratically. he was running red lights at that point, squealing the tires. we ran a stop sign and sideswiped another vehicle. >> cnn's ryan young with more on this. >> reporter: still very baffling here. they are still trying to put the pieces together. talking to police chief this
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morning, really he says they are still trying to nail down the motive for this crime. >> -- jason brian dalton? >> yes. >> reporter: the 45-year-old uber driver appearing in court for the first time via video showing no emotion as the judge read the charges. >> is there anything you wish to tell the court? >> [ inaudible ]. >> as a probable cause here detectives testified dalton admitted to, quote, taking people's lives. he roamed the street, targeting his victims at random gunning them down all while picking up fairs between and even after the attacks. one of those passengers identified only at derek was dropped off by dalton just 20 minutes before he was arrested. >> i said you are not the shooter are you? ? and he said no. >> and i said are you sure and he kind of just said no. i'm just tired.
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i've been driving for seven hours. >> his youngest victim 14-year-old abigail, clinging to life in the hospital. so critically injured, police pronounced her dead before she mirk clubhousely squeezed her mother's hand. >> he's live and fighting are her life. she's strong and a vibrant beautiful young lady and did not deserve this. >> according to uber, dalton passed a background check and received favorable feedback. investigators trying to unravel a motive for why a married father of two with no criminal record would carry out such a cold-blooded mess car. >> it was an awful, awful feeling to know that someone you had once worked with and been relatively close to was capable of something like that. >> reporter: now carol, the
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dalton family released a statement yesterday, it says we suppress our love and support for everyone involved and we intend to cooperate in every way we can to help determine why and how this occurred. so even the family questioning why. a lot of people focus on that phone call, carol. trying to figure out exactly who he called before everything started. >> ryan young live for us this morning. thank you. still to come in the "newsroom" an all out brawl between the democrats. as bernie sanders picks up a new high profile endorsement. who doesn't? so i bike. i get all of my greens. and i try not to faint. this... i can do easily. benefiber healthy shape. just a couple of spoonfuls every day means fewer cravings. plus, it's all natural, clear, taste-free and dissolves completely. it's clinically proven to keep me fuller longer and helps keep me healthy inside and out. benefiber healthy shape. this, i can do. find benefiber healthy shape in the fiber aisle.
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protesters are planning to gather outside apple stores at more than 0 cit30 cities, oppos the fbi's request to unlock an encrypted cell phone. but the fbi is also getting
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support and it comes from one of the biggest names in the tech world. bill gates. are you surprised? >> i am. usually silicon valley is pretty tight knit on these issues. bill gates, first tech titan to say i side with the fbi. listen to what he said. >> apple has access to the information. there is not -- they are just refusing to provide the access and the courts will tell them whether to provide the access or not. you couldn't call the access some special thing. it is no different than should if anybody ever been able to tell the phone company to get information. bank records. there is no difference between information. the government's come asking for a specific set of information. >> no, what apple will say is this is the first time they are asked to actually build new
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technology to access information. that is what's dividing this case. and they say it makes users less safe. mark zuckerberg spoke yesterday at a big tech conference in barcelona and he said he didn't believe in a back door. he said they want to help with terrorism and law enforcement. the one interesting thing that came out a study showing a lot of americans are actually siding with bill gates. siding with the fbi saying we want you to open up that phone. 51% of americans say yes apple should assist. 38% said no. 11% had no opinion. >> why is that so surprising? when all is said and done americans fear a terrorist attack and if apple can provide help in preventing that then. >> i think that is the basic thinking. and i don't think tech has come out and explained the other side as much as could. think pout statements but
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haven't really explained to the american public the power of encryption. the power of what really is behind this request. one other interesting part of the study is there doesn't really seem to be a divide between democrats and republicans and how they are viewing it. 55% of democrats say apple should assist the fbi. 56% of republicans. so a lot of folks on the same page. it is interesting to watch this really play out in the court of public opinion. i think that will impact this carol. >> absolutely. thanks for stopping by. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. a one issue candidate who makes promises he just can't keep. just some of the jabs hillary clinton has used in recent weeks on her democratic rival bernie sanders and while team clinton feels those comments are getting traction sanders says in really clinton is sounding increasingly like him on the campaign trail.
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>> i am delighted that secretary clinton month after month after month seems to be adopting more and more of the positions that we have advocated. that's good. and in fact is beginning to use a lot of the language and phraseology that we have used. in fact i think i saw a tv ad and i thought it was me. but it turned out it was secretary clinton's picture in the ad. >> former advisor to president obama and former clinton supporter and member of the house of representatives. thanks both of you. so van, is sanders right? is clinton just stealing his lines? >> she certainly has been pulled further to the left by the sanders candidacy. nobody would argue that. certainly she has a good strong liberal record in a lot of respects. but nobody would expected a year
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ago for hillary clinton to be as tough on trade as she has been to be as outspoken and passionate and capote with been on racial justicie issues. that happens in campaigns. i think sanders is having a problem because he is starting to sound a little like a one note guy. wall street, wall street, criminal justice, criminal justice and he's not really expanding and filling out his message and allowing him to be defined by hillary clinton. it is ironic she's taken so many of his issues and now says he has one issue. >> bernie sanders also mentioned in the same rally for his supporters senator elizabeth warren's name. do you think she'll come out and endorse someone? and if she endorses bernie sanders would that make a difference? >> i don't think so. i think if snarnds were to endorse she would do it
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relatively soon rather than later because massachusetts is coming up next week. i just don't anticipate that happening. i think elizabeth warren is on the side lines but she's still commanding a lot of attention. issues she's a champion of. wall street, economic justice. environmental justice even. and to speak frankly and i know van will agree with this one of the best speeches on the criminal justice reform we've had in the past year was given by warren. i don't anticipate her getting involved. i think bernie sanders has made hillary clinton a much better candidate not just for the primary but for the electorate as well. >> really? bernie sanders has made her a better candidate. how so. >> i hate to agree wibakari. usually we don't agree. the reality is if you look back
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even in oblctober it liked like hillary clinton was already turning in some ways. i think that bernie came on and said look you have a lot of young people who are very frustrated with how much education costs. frustrated with the job market. frustrated with being feel like the whole political system is so cynical. who want to be ib spider and what you saw isnspired and what you saw is and you have seen here improve in that regard. i would like to see bernie sanders stop what he's doing now which is trying to attack her about the wall street issue. i think he's made that point. there are other points of difference. african americans are in the military in large numbers. let's talk about war and peace. african americans in the industrial belt have been hurt by nafta and bad trade policy. let's talk about some substantive issues that effect african americans not just criminal -- i love criminal
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justice. i'm so glad it is a big issue but there are other issues now and he's starting to sound one note which lets her define him as one issue even though he's not. >> so among minority voters, bernie sanders is getting some help and bakari, spike lee came out and offers his endorsement. watch. >> bernie takes no money from corporations. na nada. which means he's not on the take and when bernie gets in the white house he will do the right thing. >> so spike lee is on that theme to bakari. >> yeah. and spike lee is a good friend of mine. i don't want to be disparaging towards spike. but what we have here is the epitome of what bernie sanders campaign is and his largest problem. he still hit on that one note. compare and contrast that campaign ad versus the recent campaign ad of clinton where she has the mothers of the gun
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violence and she says her name in speak of the sandra bland. it speaks to a specific campaign. the reason the spike lee ad won't resonate is because if you break up the big banks african americans will still make 60 cents on every dollar. african american will still be incarcerated at higher rates. i have two degrees. i still can go outside and get down gunned down unarmed by police. and unfortunately that ad drives home hillary clinton's point that he's a one issue candidate. >> one last thing. sanders does have a great civil rights story to tell. in the sixties he was for civil rights. unfortunately for hillary clinton was for barry gold water. he can talk about other issues and i think he should. tell your story about civil rights. >> especially with that voice of spike lee. yeah. thank you. >> james ba, bakari.
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a potential break from civil war for the syrian people. syria's president bashar al assad has agreed to a temporary cease fire set to start on saturday morning. the u.s. and russia helped broke ter deal, which does not include isis or an al qaeda group but it could be a reprieve from the five-year-old war that's killed hundreds of thousands and left millions homeless. in minutes secretary of state kerry will defend the plan on capitol hill. nick peyton walsh is covering this for us from beirut. >> reporter: all of this has come about because of intense discussions between moscow and
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washington. vladimir putin clearly trying to take credit for it late flask night with his people. isis and the face of al qaeda and nusra front are not involved. that has a huge potential for misunderstanding here. because when the syrian government themselves said they would in fact abide by the cease fire they used slightly different wording and how they referred to terrorists that gave you an idea maybe there could be confusion when the cease fire is supposed to come in but could allow it to fall a apart. the key problem is many of the moderate opposition groups on the battlefield have at times had links to the nusra front, the face of al qaeda in syria fought alongside them. it is often a very gray area and russia has been accused of using that gray area and the guise of bombing isis to in fact attack
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those pronaponents of the syria regime. there is a lot that could go wrong and a big question that has to be answered at this stage, if it really took the kremlin and white house negotiating this in old cold war style for this paperwork to come forward? what about the actual syrians involved. there is still that question unanswered and the clock is already taking carol. >> thank you. still to come in the "newsroom." so the all the infighting between the gop candidates turning off voters? or is it firing them up. cnn went to find out. listerine® total care helps prevent cavities, strengthens teeth and restores tooth enamel. it's an easy way to give listerine® total care to the total family. listerine® total care. one bottle, six benefits.
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finger pointing, personal attacks, accusations of lying y. the race between the dpop front runners is getting nastier. is it turning off republican voters or firing them up? >> reporter: since the south carolina primary victory, donald trump hasn't let up on his gop competitors. ? you want to know something? i'm a better person than the person i'm running against. >> reporter: he isn't the only one making digs. >> a man who didn't go to the gutter and engage in insults and attacks. >> and then there's marco rubio. >> i didn't become a conservative two years ago or a year ago. >> reporter: among the insults during the heat of the campaigning, we've heard trump
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call cruz unstable and a liar. trump called rubio a lightweight and a clown. cruz called trump a liar. cruz called rubio a layer. rubio called cruz a liar, and rubio called trump crude. >> reporter: a poll shows that people believe trump is the main instigator. not surprisingly, almost all the trump supporters we talked to after the south carolina win want trump to be trump. >> i don't have a problem with a man. if somebody is stupid, saying they're stupid. >> reporter: does it bother you when he says things like cruz and he says negative things about the pope? >> no, i was there. i witnessed it. he was lying. >> reporter: what about the pope, though? >> the pope -- >> yeah, the pope swung first. and everybody knows that donald is going to deliver the knockout
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punch. >> reporter: meanwhile many of cruz's supporters complain about trump's behavior. >> he's a school hard bully. >> reporter: they say cruz is just defending himself. >> i think it's important he defends himself. i don't know how much energy he needs to put into it. i believe true cruz supporters support him because we know the truth. >> reporter: and at this rubio, nevada event, the supporters said their candidate has no choice. >> if he doesn't respond, well, trump will keep doing what he's doing. if rubio responds, it shuts him down, i think we'll be fine. >> i have never, ever met a person that lies more than ted cruz. >> ted cruz has just been telling lies. >> whenever anyone points out their record, they simply start screaming liar. >> reporter: there's already a lot of bad blood and the political season is still young.
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>> it certainly is. gary, thank you for that report and a reminder the five remaining republican candidates meet this thursday night in houston. wolf blitzer will moderate the cnn debate beginning at 8:30 p.m. eastern only on cnn. still to come, breaking ranks. two gop senators saying an obama nominee to the supreme court should at least receive a hearing. e future belongs to the. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise.
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a pair of moderate republican senators are breaking ranks with their party leaders and arguing that barack obama's potential supreme court nominee should receive a hearing. m >> reporter: the smooth reconvened for the first time --
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by and large, republicans do not want to move toward with proceedings. the number two senate republican told me yesterday there should be no hearings there are a can couple of them breaking ranks. two say there should be hearings. and susan collins of maine said the hearings would help her properly assess a candidate's qualifications. >> for my part, it's clear the president can send up a nominee regardless of where he is before he leaves office. i believe that we should follow the regular order in this process and give careful consideration to any nominee that the president may send to the senate. >> reporter: democrats are hoping to exploit these in order
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to push forward with confirmation proceedings and potentially a vote on the floor. they have their own problems, namely joe biden. in 1992 he gave a floor speech saying there should not be any confirmation hearings for a possible george h.w. bush nominee. republicans for playing this clip yesterday. >> president bush to consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not -- and not name a nominee until after the november election is completed. >> now, democrats in the white house say that it was taken out of context, that biden actually was trying to urge consensus behind a nominee. we'll see how that plays out. today the senators in post parties will meet for the first time in a full conference setting to discuss their strategies. republicans are meeting.
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mitch mcconnell this morning and having a lunch later. we'll see how unified they are. at this point we're not expecting them to move forward with thing. >> reporting live in washington this morning. our other top stories. opening statements start this morning in the 75 million lawsuit brought by fox sports reporter erin andrews. she's suing a hotel for allowing a man who was stalking her to reserve a room right next to hers. he pleaded guilty to stalking andrews and admitted to using peepholes to record images of her. three people are dead after a man shoots at his mother, father and sister and then sets the house on fire. police say the suspect is down but it's unclear if he's among the dead. the suspect shot at firefighters when they arrived on the scene. they used their trucks to block the bullets and then put out the
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fire. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts now. donald trump takes on protesters. >> smilings, laughing, i'd like to punch them in the face. ted cruz, immigration. >> federal law requires anyone here illegally should be deported. >> and today they're fights each other for a win in nevada. also copy cat clinton? >> i saw a tv ad and i thought it was me. >> and that wasn't the only slam. wall street's superpacs. will ramped up attacks get his backers to turn up and vote. plus, protesting for privacy. apple refusing to unlock a terrorist's iphone. now bill gates and mark zuckerberg weigh in. what do you think should happen?
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. it's not quite breaking news yet, but in 30 minutes, the president will deliver a statement on his plan to close guantanamo bay. it's a plan in the making. gitmo is home to 91 detainees including this man whoul see in a minute. he's the master mind of the 9/11 attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people. barbara star is live with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. the report going to congress a long time in the making. president obama has been wanting to close guantanamo since he took office. the claim the administration makes is that they need to send as many detainees as they can back overseas to their home countries or to other countries who will look after them and then get it down to a very small number, perhaps 30 to 60 and transfer them to the united
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states. the pentagon has been looking at 13 facilities state side, trying to develop a plan on how to do that. but the congress very much oppo opposed. there is legislative language, law, that says the pentagon cannot use funds to transfer detainees state side. this is really the point at which the administration says it is trying to convince congress to change that law and let them transfer people state side. the pentagon believes they can keep the detainees secure and there is no risk to the public and they say gaughan tau moe continues after all these years to be a recruitment tool for terrorists even in today's isis environment, seeing isis put people in orange jump suits, they say that's a recruitment tool for additional terrorism they want to see stopped. they believe taking these people to the united states could do that. many in congress opposed to
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having gaughuantanamo detainees the united states. next hour, senator rubio holds the first campaign event of the day with a rally in las vegas. in the meantime, donald trump is ramping up his rhetoric. even lashing out at a protester. >> you know what i hate? there's a guy totally disruptive, throwing punches. we're not allowed to punch back anymore. i love the old days. you know what they used to do with guys like that in a place like that? they'd be carried out on a stretcher. here's a guy throwing punches, screaming at everything else when we're talking and you're walking out and the guards are very gentle with them. he's walking out smiling, laughing, i'd like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you.
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>> and ted cruz deals with a major campaign shakeup. firing his campaign's national spokesman for sharing a false story about marco rubio dismissing the bible. the video -- there we see it. it claims rubio said there are not many answers in the bible. what he actually said was the bible has all the answers. let's talk about this with sara murray. she's live in las vegas this morning. >> reporter: good morning. i think ted cruz is just really finding it hard to shake this narrative that he has lied about things. that his campaign is up to dirty tricks, and donald trump was sure to keep hammering that point him at a rally last night. he even called ted cruz sick. >> it's not a subject i know anything about. it's a hell of an ad, but this has a cruz ad. this guy is sick. there's something wrong with this guy.
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on saturday when we had the vote, i mean, when we had the vote in south carolina saturday, i wake up, i figure there's going to be a nice, easy day. i get hit with -- >> now you mentioned that ted cruz did go through this campaign shakeup. he fired his communications director. donald trump is now weighing in on that on twitter. he said wow, was cruz disloyal to his capable director of communication. he used him as a scapegoat, fired like a dog. ted panicked. the cruz campaign was hoping to put this issue to bed, but trump and rubio not letting this drop, still going after cruz. >> ben carson is making some headlines this morning. is he even campaigning anywhere? >> reporter: ben carson is making some headlines. i think a lot of people are still sort of wondering what he is doing in the race. he made some comments that might
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make people second guess him a little bit. take a listen about what he had to say about president obama today. >> like most americans, i was proud that we broke the color barrier when he was elected. but i also recognize that his experience and my experience are night and day different. he didn't grow up like i grew up by any stretch of the imagination, not even close. >> he's an african american as opposed to an african american. >> he's an african american. he was raised white. many of his formative years were spent in indonesia, so for him to claim that he identifies with the experience of black americans, i think is a bit of a stretch. >> ben carson there essentially questioning president obama. the first black president, black experience that already has some people weighing in saying it's
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these kinds of off the cuff remarks that make ben carson disqualified to be the republican nominee. he's still in the race and says he has no plans to drop out any time soon. >> all right. sara murray reporting live from las vegas. mr. trump calls cruz a liar, but some might say trump lies too. why is trump viewed as someone who tells it like it is and cruz forced to fire his communication director. welcome to our guests. >> good morning. >> i want both of you to take a look at this exit poll from south carolina. it shows gop voters believe trump ran the most unfair campaign in the state. you see trump at 41%. cruz in second at 32 %. rubio has 8%.
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so, se kcup, i don't get it. i do in a way, but i don't. why is cruz a liar and donald trump not? >> right. well, none of the rules apply to donald trump. he's really running a campaign gravity and the laws of laws of politics. defying conventional wisdom, defying tradition. and so none of the things that he does which would be disqualifying for anyone else really seem to have an impact on him. in fact, it's what his supporters seem to appreciate most, that he's able to buck the rigid confines of traditional campaigning that every other candidate has to abide by. ted cruz's communications director got him in a little trouble. he was fired. that's normal. that's what generally happens, and yet donald trump has turned that into some kind of act of disloyalty. it's amazing. it's an amazing year.
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>> i have this theory, ross. you know, donald trump doesn't really set himself up as this, you know, totally moral religious guy. he's just donald trump. he is who he is. whereas ted cruz is running on a campaign that says trust me, i'm very trustworthy, and yet these dirty campaign tactics happen. is that the difference, really? >> i think that's part of it, yeah. as s.e. says, cruz like rubio and the others that remain, have been running normal, convention tall campaigns, trying to appeal to veoters. they're tripped up by rules of conduct that trump ignores. it's also the case that trump's pitch is not i'm one of you. his pitch is i'm a rich guy who is completely different from you, but i'm going to fight for you. i mean, trump has that line where he says i've been greedy my whole life, and now i'm going
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to be greedy for america. that's the essence of his pitch. he's not saying i'm a good guy or a good christian. nobody seriously believes he's a serious christian, including, i believe, the evangelical christians voting for him, so he is being a creep, an insult artist, it's all baked into the appeal. the people who really like trump like that he's a jerk and think he's going to be a jerk to, you know, the political class, newspaper columnists, cnn talking heads, everybody that they -- everybody that's -- >> so -- i'm hearing trump just tweeted again. i'm going to wait a second to see what he tweeted. >> that's part of it. trump will tweet. we'll read, and then we'll act shocked and appalled. >> i'm not shocked and appalled anymore. we have the tweet. ted cruz does not have the right temperament to be president. look at the way he totally panicked in firing his director of communications.
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bad. >> the temperament is in air quotes, it's like alleged temperament. >> but this is -- i think this is part of it, too. trump is temperament can mean lots of different things and by lots of measurements, trump doesn't have a temperament you'd want in a president, but he's playing the alpha male at all times. that's what he means by temperament. he means being tough and never backing down. and whether it was fighting bush or cruz or rubio, when he says tu temperament, he means i'm tougher than cruz. i don't panic. >> here's the irony. we hear nobody in washington likes cruz because he's a jerk. that's what a lot of people say. why doesn't ted cruz just embrace that as donald trump has and run with it? >> well, ted cruz is running a campaign outside of washington. what congress people say about ted cruz, i think, you know, is
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probably bolsters him among the kinds of voters that he's courting, and frankly what i hear in d.c. and i've met ted cruz. he's perfectly nice. it's that he's difficult. he's not going to go along to get along. he's going to deliver on promises he made to texas voters back home, and that has somehow, sometimes j rubbed a lot of lawmakers the wrong way. again, his race, his election is in the heartland. his election is in south carolina and nevada. it's not in the halls of congress. being bashed by other congress members, i think he thinks probably makes him all the more likable to voters. >> and i think he's probably right about that for the most part. i have to leave it there. thank you both. >> the five remaining republican candidates meet head to head in the next gop debate.
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bernie sanders says he's under attack by his democratic rival, hillary clinton. >> when the campaign began, as i recall, secretary clinton and her people were saying, well, yes, we have superpacs, but that money is going to be used against republicans. well, guess what? it turns out not to be the case. millions of dollars in superpac money is now being used against me. >> for his part, sanders is vowing not to take the jabs lying down. i'm stead he's ramping up his own rhetoric on everything from clinton's ties to wall streets to her increasing use of his ideas on the campaign trail. senior washington correspondent zeleny is live with more. good morning.
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>> reporter: good morning, carol. that sets the stage for tonight's town hall meeting where south carolina voters are going to have the chance to ask about these issues and others. there's no doubt about it that the whole superpac idea has been one of the drives forces of the sanders campaign. he doesn't have a superpac. he doesn't get money from a soup pac. he's gotten a lot of support and traction and mileage off the fact that he's being attacked by a superpac. campaign finance is one of the central issues of his campaign. he thinks politics are too close to wall street. that's provided an easy way to attack his rival, the clinton campaign. the sanders campaign has a new supporter out this morning, and it's spike lee. listen to this new advertisement that is going to be on the air here in south carolina. >> wake up. wake up, south carolina. this is your dude, spike lee, and i know that you know the system is rigged. i'm officially endorsing my
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brother, personny sanders. he takes no money from corporations. that means he's not on the take. and when he gets in the white house, he will do the right thing. >> so a bit of an upbeat ad there, but campaign money, and finance at the center of many conversations in this heated presidential race. >> jeff zeleny reporting live this morning. thank you. zblnchs sa sanders and clinton have been in a fight for the african american vote. young people also, a section of voters that's backed sanders overwhelmingly. clinton making a direct appeal to the group after winning the nevada caucuses. >> and i want to say this to all the young people out there. i know that you're up against. if you left college with a ton of loans, it's not enough just to make college more affordable. you need help right now with the
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debt you already have. >> all right. so my next guest have heard the candidates loud and clear and are ready to cast their votes. we have the president of the college democrats at the university of south carolina. you're going to see her with secretary clinton during a talk at another south carolina college this past november. also with me president of the university of south carolina students for the bernie sanders group. she introduced sanders at a south carolina event last summer. welcome to both of you. >> it's great to be here. >> thanks. >> i was checking if you could hear me. i'm glad you're here. meghan, i want to start with you. when you hear hillary clinton say young people, i hear you and i understand your pain, does that resonate with you as a bernie sanders supporter? >> it resonates with me. i very much respect secretary
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clinton, and i think she does hear young people. she hears them. she understands what they're saying, but i think it's more a matter of priority. what really draws me to bernie sanders is that he not only hears young people and understands what they're saying but he's dedicated to making those things happen as top priority in his agenda. >> so, amanda, is there anything that bernie sanders could say that would take you away from clinton? >> well, i wouldn't say that anything would whisk me away. i have been a little disappointed. he does address many social issues that are important to us, but i think that secretary clinton does a better job addressing the issues and they're not an afterthought for her. they're a foundation of why she wants to be the president and why young voters really can relate to her and feel that she does hear us. >> of course, one of the resonating issues is a free
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college tuition. meghan, i want to ask you about that. hillary clinton says that sounds nice, but impossible to achieve. do you believe that? >> i really don't think it's impossible to achieve. we have in our country a beautifully diverse group of state-funded universities. we have big state universities and pretty much every state in our country plus smaller publicly funded liberal arts universities. i think it's possible to have tuition be something paid for all students. we all know that tuition isn't the only thing that is a cost for college. so there will be plenty of other things that students will be paying for. nobody should be despairing over students going to college for free. but if we can get free tuition, that cuts out a huge chunk of that cost and allows students to really focus on what they want to do in achieving their academic and career goals
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without having to worry about student debt later on. >> amanda, should college be free? >> well, i think that college should be more affordable and if one day we can get it to free, that would be great. it takes baby steps and practical goals that we can make happen and not wild promises. i think secretary clinton can get things done in congress more than senator sanders. she has a lot more support from people in congress and other politicians, and i think that she has the best shot at making the most progress toward affordable education. >> okay. since you're both young women, i have to ask you the woman question. you know that, right. so meghan, why is bernie sanders resonating with you as a young woman rather than hillary clinton? >> for me as a young woman, as much as i very much love hillary clinton as a politician, i think she's a great example for young
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women everywhere, what drew me to bernie sanders was that women have the same needs, economically, as everyone else, plus extra needs involving reproductive health care and if you're a single mother, child care, all these different things, but it doesn't help to just address women's issues. we have to address women's issues. that's not an option anymore, but we also have to address the underlying causes of poverty in this country which involves lots of things like income inequality and other things, and without addressing those things, we can't help women bridge the gap, because it's just not possible without addressing those drivers of poverty and inequality in this country first. >> amanda, are you voting for hillary clinton because she's a woman? >> no, i'm not voting for hillary clinton just because she's a woman, but there is nothing wrong with understanding
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and admiring a politician because she relates to my life and she understands the struggles we go through in higher education and she has experienced sexism in a lot of ways, and that's something that women can relate to and we want to encourage and support her. and there's nothing wrong with taking that into account. why i'm voting for hillary clinton is because of her experience and her goals and -- it's all encompassing. it helps, but it's not a black and white answer. >> all right. thanks to both of you for being if me. amanda and meghan, i appreciate it. >> tonight's democratic town hall in south carolina starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern, only on cnn. still to come in the news room. minutes from now president obama details his plan to close gitmo. can he pull it off in the last month of his presidency? we'll talk about that, next. avo: when account lead craig wilson books at
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. this is the white house. at any moment the president will deliver a statement on his long awaited plan to close guantanamo bay. the white house just delivered that plan to congress, keeping guantanamo bay open is quite expensive. the facility's bill last year, $445 million. athena jones is live with more at the white house. >> reporter: good morning, carol. this was an early promise made
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by the president, one of his first steps he took in office was to sign an executive order to begin the process of closing guantanamo bay. he's been facing stiff opposition from the start. there's no indication that's expected to stop. we're talking about 91 detainees at guantanamo bay. ten would be prosecuted. others would be transferred to other countries. the rest would be transferred still to a yet to be named -- >> athena, the president has come out. let's listen. >> in our fight against terrorists like isil and isis, we're using our military, intelligence, diplomacy, homeland security, law enforcement, federal, state, and local, as well as the example of our ideals as a country that's committed to universal values, including rule of law and human
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rights. in this fight we learn and we work to constantly improve. when we find something that works, we keep on doing it. when it becomes clear that something is not working as intended, when it does not advance our security, we have to change course. for many years it's been clear that the detention facility at guantanamo bay does not advance our national security. it undermines it. this is not just my opinion. this is the opinion of experts. this is the opinion of many in our military. it's counterproductive to our fight against terrorists, because they use it as propaganda in their efforts to recruit. it drains military resources with nearly $450 million spent last year alone to keep it running. and more than $200 million in additional costs needed to keep
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it open going forward for less than 100 detainees. guantanamo harps our partnerships with allies and other countries whose cooperation we need against terrorism. when i talk to other world leaders, they bring up the fact that guantanamo is not resolved. moreover, keeping this facility open is contrary to our values. it undermines our standing in the world. it is viewed as a stain on our broader record of upholding the highest standards of rule of law. as americans we pride ourselves on being a model of the rule of law. but 15 years after 9/11, 15 years after the worst terrorist attack in american history, we're still having to defend the existence of a facility and a
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process where not a single verdict has been reached in those attacks. not a single one. when i first ran for president, it was widely recognized that this facility needed to close. this was not just my opinion. this was not some radical far left view. there was bipartisan support to close it. my predecessor, president bush, to his credit, said he wanted to close it. it was one of the few things that i and my republican po opponent, senator john mccain agreed on. i took action to begin closing it, and because we had bipartisan support, i wanted to make sure that we did it right.
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i indicated that we would need to take our time to do it in a system attic way, and that we had examined all the options. and unfortunately during that period where we were putting the pieces in place to close it, what had previously been bipartisan spaupport suddenly became a partisan issue. suddenly many backed off because they were worried about the politics. the public was scared into thinking that well, if we close it, somehow we'll be less safe. and since that time congress has repeatedly imposed restrictions aimed at preventing us from closing this facility. now, despite the politics, we've made progress. of the nearly 800 detainees once held at guantanamo, more than
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85% have already been transferred to other countries. more than 500 of these transfers, by the way, occurred under president bush. since i took office, we've so far transferred 147 more, each under new significant restrictions to keep them from returning to the battle field. and as a result of these actions, today just 91 detainees remain, less than 100. today the defense department, thanks to very hard work by the secretary of defense, ash carter, as well as his team working in concert with the office of management budget, today the department is submitting to congress our plan for finally closing the facility at guantanamo once and for all. it's a plan that reflects the hard work of my entire national security team. i especially want to thank ash
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and his teamed a dod. this plan has my full support. it reflects our best thinking on how to best go after terrorists and deal with those who we may capture, and it is a strategy with four main elements. first, we'll continue to securely and responsibly transfer to other countries the 35 detainees out of the 91 that have already been approved for transfer. keep in mind this process involves extensive and careful coordination across the federal government to ensure that our national security interests are met when an individual is transferred to another country. so, for example, we insist that foreign countries institute strong security measures. and as we move forward, that means that we will have around 60 and potentially even fewer
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detainees remaining. second, we'll accelerate the periodic reviews of remaining detainees to determine whether their continued detention is necessary. our review board which includes representatives from across the government, will continue to look at all relevant information including current intelligence, and if certain dedtainees no longer pose a significant threat, they may be eligible to transfer to another country as well. number three, we'll continue to use all legal tools to deal with the remaining detainees still held under law of war detention. currently 10 detainees are in some stage of the military commissions process. a process that we worked hard to reform in my first year in office with bipartisan support from congress. but i have to say with respect
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to these commission, they are very costly. they have resulted in years of litigation without a resolution. we are outlining additional outlines to improve these commissions. we'll be consulting in the near future on that issue. i also want to point out that in contrast to the commission process, our article three federal courts have proven to have an outstanding record of convicting some of the most hardens terrorists. these prosecutions allow for the gathering of intelligence against terrorist groups. it proves that we can both prosecute terrorists and protect the american people. think about it. terrorists like the shoe bomber and others who tried to blow up an airplane other detroit, one who put a car bomb in time
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square, and one who bombed the boston marathon, they were all convicted in our article three courts and are now behind bars here in the united states. so we can capture terrorists, protect the american people, and when done right, we can try them and put them in our maximum security prisons and it works just fine. and in this sense, the plan we're putting forward today isn't just about closing the facility at guantanamo. it's not just about dealing with the current group of detainees which is a complex piece of business because of the manner in which they were originally apprehended and what happened. this is about closing a chapter in our history. it reflects the lessons that
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we've learned since 9/11. lessons that need to guide our nation going forward. so even as we use military commissions to close out the cases of some current detainees, which given the unique circumstances of their cases, make it difficult for them to be tried in article three courts, this type of use of military commissions should not set a precedent for the future. as they have been in past wars, military commissions will continue to be an option when individuals are detained during battle. but our preferred option, the most effective option, for dealing with individuals detained outside military theaters must be our strong, proven federal courts. fourth, and finally, we're going to work with congress to find a
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secure location in the united states to hold remaining detainees. these are detainees who are subject to military commissions. but it also includes those who can't be transferred to other countries or those who we decide must be detained because they pose a significant threat to the united states. we are not identifying a specific facility today in this plan. we are outlining what options look like. as congress has imposed restrictions that currently prevent the transfer of detainees to the united states, we recognize that this is going to be a challenge, and we're going to keep making the case to congress that we can do this in a responsible and secure way, taking into account the lessons and great record of our maximum security prisons. and let me point out the plan we're submitting today is not some the right thing to do for
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your security. it will also save money. the defense department estimates that this plan compared to keeping guantanamo open would lower costs by up to $85 million a year. over ten years it would generate savings of more than 300 million. over 20 years, the savings is up to $1.7 billion. in other words, we can ensure our security, up hold our highest values around the world, and save american taxpayers a lot of money in the process. so in closing, i want to say i am very clear eyed about the hurdles to finally closing guantanamo. the politics of this are tough. i think a lot of the american public are worried about
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terrorism and in their mind the notion of having terrorists held in the united states rather than in some distant place can be scary. but part of my message to the american people here is we're already holding a bunch of really dangerous terrorists here in the united states, because we threw the baook at them, and there have been no incidents. we've managed it just fine. and in congress i recognize in part because of some of the fears of the public that have been fanned oftentimes by misinformation, there continues to be a fair amount of opposition to closing guantanamo. if it were easy, it would have happened years ago, as i wanted, as i have been working to try to get done. but there remains bipartisan
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support for closing it. and given the stakes involved for our security, this plan deserves a fair hearing, even in an election year. we should be able to have an open, honest, good faith dialogue about how to ensure our national security. and the fact that i'm no longer runni running, joe is no longer running, we're not on the ballot, it gives us the capacity to not have to worry about the politics. let us do what is right for america. let us go ahead and close this chapter. and do it right, and do it carefully, and do it in a way that makes sure we're safe, but gives the next president and more importantly, future generations, the ability to apply the lessons we've learned in the fight against terrorism and doing it in a way that doesn't raise some of the
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problems that guantanamo has raised. i really think there is an opportunity here for progress. i believe we've got an obligation to try it. president bush said he wanted to close guantanamo, despite everything that he had invested in it. i give him credit for that. there was an honest assessment on his part about what needed to happen. but he didn't get it done, and it was passed to me. i've been working for seven years now to get this thing closed. as president, i have spent countless hours dealing with this. i do not exaggerate about that. our closest allies raise it with me continuously. they often raise specific cases of detainees repeatedly. i don't want to pass this problem on to the next president, whoever it is. and if as a nation we don't deal with this now, when will we deal with it? are we going to let this linger on for another 15 years, another 20 years, another 30 years?
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if we don't do what's required now, i think future generations are going to look back and ask why we failed to act when the right course, the right side of history and justice and our best american traditions was clear. so, again, i want to thank secretary carter, you and your team did an outstanding job and you've shown great leadership on this issue. with this plan we have the opportunity to finally eliminate a terrorist propaganda tool, strengthen relationships with allies and partner ys, enhance our national security and uphold the things that vine us as americas. i'm committed to closing the facility at guantanamo. i'm continue going to continue
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to make the case as long as i'm in office. this is a good opportunity for people to take a look at the facts, the views of those who have been most committed to fighting terrorism and understand this stuff, our operatives, our intelligence officials, our military. let's go ahead and get this thing done. thanks very much, everybody. i don't think the question is going to accept my questions from the reporters. you heard his plan to close guantanamo bay, and we'll talk about that. there's a lot of controversy about this. i have others joining me to discuss this. >> congressman, i'd like to start with you. you're opposed to closing guantanamo bay. the president will have his defense secretary deliver a
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report on the plan to closing the facility. will you read it? >> well, certainly. you can't really weigh in on anything that you don't read, but just in hearing the president make these announcements just now, several of his objectives, i don't see how they're going to be accomplished by closing gitmo. if it's being used as a recruiting tool, how would placing them in a maximum security prison in the u.s. address that? it's essentially releasing these gitmo terrorists amounts to granting amnesty to terrorists. i've been down there. they return to the battle field. some say more than a third of them return and pose a great national security threat. so am i opposed to it? yes. i think the american people are opposed to it, and certainly we need to have some answers. >> well, the president also said his plan would save the government taxpayers, the
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american taxpayers around $475 million a year. is that enough to justify closing guantanamo? >> what price do we put on our national security in when we start to look at that, that's over a ten to 20 year period. it's $85 million. that's a rounding area in washington d.c. when we spend some $600 billion a year on defense alone, and i can tell you that certainly i'm a fiscal conservative. i want to make sure we're making the best financial decisions, but as we start to look at this, you know, what he didn't mention is that out of the people that have been released, we know that one is now an al qaeda leader in yemen and was actually in detention at gitmo. we need to close it, but we need to close it by bringing them to justice and having them go
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before a military tribunal. we've been sending millions of dollars on attorneys to defend them, and yet, here we are trying to make a political statement instead of really addressing the concern for all of this as americans. it is bipartisan. we do want to make sure that our homeland is secure. but i can tell you having been down there, we don't even let the military men and women who guard them have their real names on their fatigues for the potential of retribution from these hardened terrorists that are there. and so -- >> so, congressman. what do we do then? what is the answer? there's 91 prisoners left at guantanamo. do we leave them there or continue to use the facility? what should happen? >> well, i think that -- i was there when there was over 150, and what we've essentially been doing, and those were supposedly the worst of the worst. i can tell you that they appeared to be that way just based on some of the things i'd
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read. so what we need to do is make sure that, indeed, that they have their day in front of a military tribunal. i'm not for indefinite detention, but in order to release them, there would have to be a completion of hostilities. we're still in a fight against terrorism. he wants to say we can turn our back on 9/11. well, if the terrorist attacks stop, then it's time we do that, but they continue to happen also here as recent as san bernardino in ohio. we've got to make sure that we address this that keeps americans safe. this plan won't do this. it just transfers the liability from gitmo to the united states which is something that law says that we can't do, and certainly something i don't support. >> all right. congressman meadows, thank you for joining me this morning. i want to go to general mark hertling. you heard what the congressman
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said. send the terrorists back on the field to attack americans in another place? >> there is certainly, carol, a recidivism effect to a certain percentage of these prisoners. we've seen that in the past, and you can cite that there have been numbers, not large numbers, but numbers of these individuals who have been detained but who did not have proof in terms of their terrorist action, and released or placed in another country. yes, that is true. you have to argue that point. in fact, what i would contend, having been on battle fields, having been overseas in multiple assignmen assignments, yes, this is a bane on american society that we're holding people illegally in an offshore facility. other people in the world, including the middle east, say america is a land of opportunity, and it is a land of freedom based on rule of law. why do you have this prison here? if these people have violated the law, why don't you put them in their prisons?
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why don't you try them? that's what we've been attempting to do in releasing some of them that have had recidivism rates, there are others we have held onto, that, in fact, there's evidence against them and they will be tried, but where they're held is important. we have very dangerous prisoners in a lot of military detention facilities throughout our country. we have very dangerous prisoners in a lot of federal correctional institutes around our country. it makes no sense to me that we maintain the prisoner of war facility in a war that's going to continue to go on for a very long time. >> all right. i want to head to the white house for a second and talk with athena jones. rubio and two other senators will introduce a bill to stop this before they've read the report prepared by the secretary of defense. so maybe -- i mean, surely the president expected this, though.
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>> reporter: surely he did. you heard him say he's clear-eyed about the politics. there are restrictions in place by congress. if it were easy, it would have been done. they don't need to introduce a bill, because current law to defense wills the president signed banned transfer to the u.s. you can see politics will play into this even before the president took of the podium. we heard from mitch mcconnell on the senate floor saying this is a campaign promise the president made when he was a senator. mcconnell called it an ill considered crusade. he said they'll review the plan. when it comes to congress weighing in, bipartisan will of congress has been expressed against that proposal that he's referring to, the language in the defense bills. this is going to be a very, very steep hill to climb for the president. he acknowledged it over and over
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again. what's interesting is you didn't hear any mention of unilateral action or executive action, two dirty words to republicans on capitol hill. the white house in the past has left the door open saying he could potentially do that. now we're seeing more emphasis on working with congress. >> thanks to all the guests. i'll be back with more. on the floor! everybody down! nobody move! on the floor! hey, do something! oh, i'm not a security guard. i'm a security monitor.
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