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and that does it for us. cnn with don lemon starts right now. don don is on a roll but is there a bomb shell in his tax returns? >> you heard him say in the wake of his big win in nevada. >> we've had three in a row. three special groups of people but the whole country is special. and i sort of think it's a movement, anderson. >> but mitt romney says something in trump's taxes could derail him. and meanwhile burn buernie s and hillary clinton in south carolina. and i want to begin with mitt
romney's accusation that there could be a bomb shell in trump's tax returns. mitt romney launched a bomb shell by predicting a bomb shell for donald trump. what happened? >> reporter: this comes at a time that donald trump is cau causing a lot of fear among the republican establishment. now, just a few hours ago on fox, mitt romney had this to say. let's take a listen. >> frankly, i think we have good reason to believe there's a bomb shell in donald trump's taxes. >> what do you mean? >> either he's not near as welt wealthy or he hasn't paid the type of taxes or hasn't been giving money to the vets or disabled like he's been telling us he's doing. and every time he's asked about
his taxes, he dodges and delays and says we're working on it. we're not talking about taxes due this year, they won't be ready for months p. we're talking about taxes already filed. back taxes. >> and there you have mitt romney just a few hours ago, not only questioning whether there is a bomb shell and really perhaps indicting on his charitable givings. the irony is the same thing happened to mitt romney in 2012. the senate democratic leader that time suggested that mitt romney, himself, had his own tax issues. >> you know donald trump is going to respond. look at this. >> you've been asked when you'll release your tax returns. you know mitt romney said quote i have readsn to believe there's
a bomb shell in trump's taxes. why not just get them out there? >> because my returns are extremely complex. nobody's been bringing it up except mitt romney and he brings it up because he lost and lost very badly. tax returns are very complicated. i have many, many companies. i have a very complex system of taxes and frankly, i get audited every single year and unlike everybody else, i get audited every single year, which i think is unfair but i go through large audit sas and that's the way it. it's very complicated. >> does that mean it's a question of when? >> no, i will be making that determination over the next i would say next couple of months
we'll make 24that determination. >> i don't know if they're obligated to but do you think donald trump is going to have to release his tax returns? >> at this point in the campaign i don't think he will have to do so. at this point he's won three of the last caucuses. >> okay. we have to play this. go ahead. >> at one point, donald trump and mitt romney had better times. >> so, mark, you know there's different advice for mitt romney, back in 2012 when he was under similar scrutiny.
what did he say back then? >> well, let's take a listen again. there were better times between mitt romney and dawnal trump back in 2012. donald trump was defending mitt romney at the time. >> barack obama released seven year said, john kerry released 12 years, mitt romney's own father released a dozen years. what's to stop him in this new transparency, what is to stop your friend, mitt, i know crow have doubts. here it is going back 12 years. >> as far as i'm concerned and i told this to mitt. if he released -- i'd like to do a swap. college records, passport apl s applicati applications. i mean, those returns are perfect. now, i would say, if i were mitt and i'm not and i've never
discussed this aspect of it but i would say listen, i will release all the rest of them, i'll release the rest of them if you release your college records and your college applications. >> and there you have donald trump defending mitt romney just a few years ago but times have changed and we have to look through the prism of politics. mitt romney certainly part of the republican establishment. and the republican establishment is doing their best or trying to figure out how to stop donald trump from winning the nomination. >> hello, mr. hewt. . >> hey, john, how are you? >>m i'm great. how big of an issue is this for him? why not release them? >> i do believe that it's the
easiest thing in the world to taken last year's tax returns and dump them out. they're in the box, just throw them out there, get over it. i've always been a big believer inputing it out there. if it he had a complicated tax structure, it will be a one day story but it becomes a much longer story and he did tell me this week that he hadn't done it but he'd get around to it. and cruz hasn't and kasich hasn't. it typically does come down to the frontrunner has to lead the way on tax returns. so, i suspect he will do it and i think a lot of republicans will say let's get them out before we get to super tuesday, march 15th, to make sure there aren't any surprises.
>> do you think there's any there to those allegations? do you think there's something there? >> a bomb shell could be any number of things. it might be charitable giving, not at a level one would be consistent with. it might be with overseas tax situations such as mitt romney had. it could be with anything that provides a grip on which to launch an attack. he's got wrone of the best companies and accounting staff in the world. and a lot of epeople's eyes are going to roll back in their head but it's part of the gauntlet to put them out there and i think john kasich and ted cruz have to put them out there. nevada was a big win for him, he's coming off of three in a
row. history tells us no one has been stopped who won three in a row. we're an alice in the wonder hole when it comes to politics 2016. play out 2014, get past it and move on. >> so, he is riding a high as a clear frontrunner. and that was a big win but there's a huge debate tomorrow night right here on cnn. can anything happen there that could derail -- >> i got a note from a staffer who said expect the red wedding which is a reference to the "game of thrones" episode where everyone got killed. it could be genuinely the toughest debate we've seen thus far. i expect the audience to be enormous, the stakes are high. i saw the set, that donald trump stands in the middle on his left
and ted cruz on his right. marco rubio. and both of them have to politically wound and carson is playing a very, very long and interesting game. so, it would be fascinating and the amount of preparation, wolf bli blitzer, the consimate pro. it's going to be a terrific debate but i expect it to be the most interesting debate we've seen to date. >> and you'll be there as well. but i want to talk about trump looking ahead. this is what he said today about his possible vp pick. >> i do want somebody that's political because i want to get lots of great ledgislation that we all want passed. including proper health care and other things p. so, we're probably going to choose
somebody that's somewhat political. >> so, an outsider who wants an insider. explain that. >> reporter: let me be sherman-esc. if asked, i think he is going to look for somebody with gubernatorial experience, someone like john kasich if he is willing to do it. someone like scott walker, if he is willing to do it. somebody like governor nikki hal haley. a governor would be a great match. not another business person as we said but someone who's been a genuine successful reformer and not got any of his immigration issues. arnold could succeed him on celebrity apprentice but that is someone who is genuinely disqualified from running for president. >> nikki hailey is an
interesting choice. that would be varintery interes. and maybe if trump is the nomin nominee, maybe she'll come over. >> herbert banged away at regan and ronald regan turned to the guy he'd been in the knife fight in a phone booth with. so, what happened doesn't matter. >> a lot of people having fun where you are. >> the houston people, navy beat houston. >> oh, that's it. >> good luck. see you soon. when we come back, are angry voters the key? plus, milania trump has said next to nothing.
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and ted cruz looking ahead to super tuesday and more key races in 345e6r7 to boost their campaigns. i want to talk about all of this with republican writer and republican strategist who work would mitt romney's dam campaign. and kelly and conway, a super pack supporting ted cruz and jason roads with us as well. guess where i'm going to start. mr. madden, having worked for mitt romney -- that's what i'm going ask you about. why do you tink he says that, especially after taking heat in his own campaign over his own taxes? >> yeah, well i think there's certainly going to be questions about whether he's the most effective messenger but i think the case he's trying to make is that donald trump is going to at some point have to endure a higher level of scrutiny if he's going to be the nominee.
and the tax question is not only did mitt romney have to face in 2012 but it's something the democrats are going to bring up. so, if there is going to be a debate and he's going to get a level of scrutiny, he has to. >> forward on it now, otherwise they're going to continue to question whether he has something to hide p. and that's the point of that controversy today. >> so, all of them will have to come forward? but because donald trump is a frontrunner, he should be leading the pack and doing it first? >> the way he responded to it today invited more questions. he said my taxes are very complex and they take a while to put together. we're talking about taxes that have already been filed. he could release that right away. democrats are going to make that argument, the media is going to continue to make that argument. so, anytime he doesn't make those disclosures, they're going
to continue to be more questions. >> this is something, as you know, donald trump brags about his financialses, how much taxes he pays, so why not release it? >> because look, he's not going to play by the rules that other people set by the conventional political rules. he hasn't played by them thus far and it's served him well. if you try to prod him in a certain direction, he's going to go the other direction and good for 4i78 and i wonder why he put them out here. i ask is this hillary clinton who put this out there? no, it was a republican, it was mitt romney. >> real quick. these are routine questions that candidates get in campaigns. this is standard operating procedure. >> butted that they should get by democrats, not former republicans. >> no, everybody. >> that's severe speculation
saying there might be a bomb shell in his taxes. you got to ask yourself whether mitt romney is trying to push the establishment together in anothinger direction. >> why are you smiling? >> because i think they both raise excellent poents. i remember the delay in 2012 by romney was perplexing because we always knew he would be running for president again, paved the way for john mccain's nominee and she's got a point about not play fwhieg rules. i was thinking how well donald trump would do under ted cruz's tax plan. you file on a post card. we wouldn't evilen have this discussion. >> that's what i call a pivot. your earn it, jason. >> the reality is nobody's going to become president of the united states without releasing their tax returns. marco rubio released his tax returns when he ran for senate in 2010. and listen, by donald trump's
own admission, his are very comment plex so we probably need a lot more time to go through them, so the sooner he releases them, the better. >> kaly. so, last night three big blowout wins for donald trump. is the game over? is he unstoppable? >> i think he's unstoppable. politics is crazy at times but to me the biggest indicator of his strength is looking at the fact that now a poll just came out showing cruz and trump tied in texas p. the latest poll, which is unfortunately a january poll in florida, shows trump winning over rubio by 20 points and in ohio he's beating john kasich by five points. so, when you're beating these candidates in their home states, you got to ask yourself, the trump train is coming through and maybe it's time to get on board instead of questioning it.
>> let's look at this. they're angry americans. 94% of nevada republicans either angry or dissatisfied with federal government. trump won that group. and 61% say the next president shds come from outside the establishment. based on these three numbers, these angry voters propelling trump to the top. is that what's propelling him to the top right now? >> look, donald trump -- i think he's really tapped into this feeling that many voters have that there's this canyon between their community and washington. and there's a lot of frustration about the idea that washington's not listening to people and their every day concerns. so, donald trump's candidacy for many of these voters has become a vehicle for those frust rashzs and he has talked about it, whether it's been about the economy, immigration, national security, he has not offered
real substantive positions u but instead clarity. he has defined what he thinks is the wrong approach by washington and then he's offered what he believes is a rather simple remedies. that is something that's really resonating right now. >> but a lot of people in the beginning didn't believe that he could do it. >> that all of these people misjudged the pundits pm they misjudged the anger of the american people. >> they really shouldn't have because the three people who are the frontrunners right now, marco rubio in 2010, ted cruz in 2012 and donald trump in 2015. what do they have in common? they're the outsiders.
and they have close to 60 and 70% in some places. and marco rubio now wears the establishment proudly. and the idea you can beat trump from the left, senator rubio himself was asked tell us which state you'll win and he said i'll win florida on march 15th. ladies and gentlemen, by march 15th, 50% of the delegates will have voted. he's skipping the first four contests 0-4, he's not going to win anything on super tuesday, according to mr. rub io himself and he may win florida. i think cruz has a much better chance of winning texas than rubio does of winning florida. >> respond to what she said. >> i mean, listen, he is the original, tip of the spear of the antiestablishment.
when he ran for u.s. senate in 2010, he ran against the anointed establishment candidate, charlie crist. everyone told him he shouldn't do it. he rejected that and ran and not only did he turn that guy into the a democrat he beat him so badly, he got a 98% conservative rate fluing from the american conservative union. and god bless that ted cruz came along. but the way you win elections is by addition, not subtraction. cruz does not have one single indorsement from one conservative colleagues. >> you need delegates, not indorsements. >> but you need someone who can unify the -- >> just ahead, a home state advantage or not so much. can marco rubio or ted cruz beat donald trump in their home states? the world a president has to grapple with.
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place right here on cnn. and make sure you tune in tomorrow night, cnn's final republican debate before super tuesday, which is next week. back now with my panelists here. there are three candidates who need to win their home states to have a chance at their nomination, all of them stand very decent chance of losing their home states to trump. so, who at this point has a best chance to win? >> i think after senator cruz loses texas, there will be very little reason for him to remain in the race and at that point i think rubio starts to cons consoldate. >> so, you think he's going to win his home state? >> listen, it's weeks away and
this thing is shifting constantly. we can look at nevada and look at that 46% but that's an anomaly just like ted cruz winning iowa was an anomaly. he's gotten three straight bronze medals and he's trending downward while marco is trending upwards. >> who has the best chance of winning their home state? >> well, i think cruz right now is in the best position if it you look at some of the polls we're seeing. one of the big challenges rubio has in florida is that trump is so well known, he's well establishedige the state. i thing fk for a lot of these candidates, the time has passed to be managing expectations. they have to meet or exceed expectations because of his
three wins in the first four contests. >> here is someone we don't hear from very often on the campaign trail and that is milania trump. she was interviewed on csnbc this morning . >> in what areas do you help him? >> i'm on the phone with my husband a few times a day. he calls me, i call him, i tell him what's going on. he's on the road and i give him my opinions. >> so, kaly, do you think milania trump is going to be an asset to her husband's campaign? >> no doubt about it. they say behind every strong man is a strong woman and ib think we saw that today for sure. milania trump, she speaks five languages, she's very articulate and intelligent. she's done a ton of
philanthropic work and i lining seeing the closeness in their relationship, it remind me kind of michelle and barack obama. . i think they have a similar scenario we see from donald trump and his wife. >>. >> do you think she's dpgoing t be an asset? >> people forget she's an entrepreneurial success in her own right. for a candidate to have a wife and children all in is incredibly important and there are varfew families that have had to sacrifice as much as the trump family, in my mind's eye. i know it's not just the trumps but it would have been very easy for them to say this has been fun for a couple months but we
make a million dollars a week here. we have somewhere else to go but that family is all in. we all see his wife and children at his side in these debates. and i think every wife in america, female partner in america can relate to what she was saying before the break which is sometimes he agrees with me, sometimes he doesn't. sometimes i express my opinion, sometimes i don't. i think that's a very real explanati explanation. >> sometimes you agree, most times you don't. so, thank you. i appreciate that. stay with cnn. tomorrow night, the five remaining republican candidates take to the stage for the last debate before super tuesday. the cnn gop presidential debate is in houston moderated by our very own wolf blitzer at 8:30 p.m. eastern and when we come right back, i'm going to talk to
the south carolina primary is this saturday and voters got a chance to question hillary clinton and bernie sanders in our live town hall last night. two of those voters are with me now. they are angela smith and kyleau gray. thanks for joining us. >> nice to be here. >> thank you. it's nice to be here as well. >> you got a chance to ask secretary clinton a question and you really spoke from the heart about the challenges you face every day. >> recently i started wearing my hair natural and i've notice a difference in the way people dwrae doctor's me a-- address me, thee have been a lot of racial tensions recently in our nation. so, my question is what do you intend to do to help fix the
broken relations in our nation? >> first of all, thank you for being so candid and brave to stand up and say this about yourself because i think it really helps to shine a spotlight on what our one of the many barriers that stand in the way of people feeling like they can pursue their own dreams, they can be who they are, they can have the future they want and i believe strongly we have to deal with systemic racism. we have serious challenges and it's important for people and particularly white people to recognize that our experiences may not equip us to understand what a lot of our african-american fellow citizens go through every single day. >> so, you say she did a great job answering your question but didn't what she would do
specifically. does she still need to work on her message? >> i think she just needs to be a little more clear on what she intends to do. i think she knows exactly what needs to be done but hasn't voiced how she plans to go about doing that p. >> you brought up also natural hair. you mentioned how you're looked at and addressed differently. explain so our viewers can understand. >> right. well, i honestly don't think high experience is all that different from any other black woman's experience. it's sort of small things, nothing really major. a lot of the times it's just the way somebody wrinkles their nose when they look at your hair or i think every black woman. has that one can i touch your hair story. those moments where there's always somebody who asks can i touch your hair or somebody even
go for it without even asking. and we just have these experiences, maybe not every day but they're frequent enough that you notice them when they do happen. >> and the answer is no, don't just touch it unless you're intimately involved with her and even then you can't touch it. last night you asked bernie sanders if he really cannot be beholden to any special interest group. >> here is what i'm enormously proud of. in this campaign not only do i not have a super pack, we don't raise money from corporate america, wall street and billionaires. we have received 4 million individual contributions from well over a million people. you know what the average
contribution is? $ $27. so, angela, i guess i am indebted to the people who have contributed 27 bucks. those are the people i will stand for and fight for. >> so, because of this issue, the one you asked about, hillary clinton suggests bernie sanders is a one-issue candidate. how do you feel about that? >> i don't believe that that's the case. he's expressed various different opinions as far as things he would address if elected to the office of president. he talked about income and equality, he's spoken about free college tuition. he has expanded on issues that relate to the african-american community as far as police brutality. so i don't believe he's a one-issue candidate. >> who do you think will be the better candidate for black people in this government? >> i would have to say bernie sanders in my limited opinion.
>> i don't imagine it's limited but it's your opinion. why do you think bernie sanders? >> you know, his passion really comes across to me when he's out on the campaign grounds and i believe the heart of anyone and what they'll accomplish. >>s from how committed and passionate they are. i feel that 23 if he has the opportunity, the american people will see that passion and come on board to him and join him in his campaign. >> so, i imagine last night helped cement your decision? >> it did. this coming saturday i'm voting for senator sanders. >> and did it help you decide who you're going to vote for? >> not really. i'm still as undecided before as i am now. it's just they both raised a lot of really good points and both
brought a lot of really good ideas to the table. i just have a lot of research to do before it's time to vote. >> well, you're not alone. thank you so much, angela, kyla, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when we come right back, the majority of the democrat voters in south carolina are black. which candidate will win them over? my computer's dying again. you'll need to email us so we can issue you a ticket. but you're right here. it's protocol. or, you can try staples tech services next day guarantee.
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south carolina's democratic primary, saturday. 53 delegates at stake. let's discuss. becar good to see both of you. mark, you first. majority of the electorate black people. we just heard from two voters, both -- well, one says she's decided, the other has not decided. do you believe hillary clinton will end up with most of these voters or did bernie sanders win people over? >> i'm sure he won some people over but they seem to be committed to the clintons, for a range of reasons, some of which
i don't agree with. i think hillary is going to have a good day on saturday. bucarry likes hillary and that's okay but right now i think black voters have to think beyond a limited political imagination and say who has the capacity to make our dreams come true? in a very practical political sense. who can make policy -- >> hold that thought. who can make dreams come true? referring to african americans. but i want you to listen to bernie sanders last night. >> when youth unemployment in the african-american community for high school graduates is 51%, 51% unemployed or underemployed, we got a plan to invest in jobs and education, not jails and incarceration. >> so, there you go.
bacari, as he says, did he get that message across that he can make them come true or fix them? >> i think we have to readily admit that both candidates have come a long way in this process and i don't have anything against bernie sanders per se. but i think this is an argument that is head versus heart and if you take that measure and truly believe it's about being practical and pragmatic then you hear what bernie sanders says, it sounds great but how do we do it? how do we get rid of this back breaking poverty engulfing communities of color and hillary clinton is putting forth ideas with the ways to get it done. what i'm saying is i'm glad we're having this debate about persons of color because this
isn't something that's been at the forefront of presidential politics in a very long period of time. so, i'm glad they're at least using the verbiage and both are going out of their way to talk bute issues that are near and dear to the heart of so many african-americans. >> last time and we discussed as well, the last two times, we talked about black issues a lot with then candidate, obama, right? >> that's the problem. often times they're designated only for the black kacandidate d right now what we see is that as we get towards south carolina, black voters are at thee center of discussion. what will happen a month from now? head versus heart would suggest they're only doing so for an emotional appeal as opposed to an intellectual reasons. and i think there are intel
intellectual reasons people wouldn't vote for hillary clinton. if she supported those things, does that mean her vision is connected to something that is against the interests of black folks and right now as someone who engages in troublesome trade policy, someone who is not tough enough on wall street doesn't have a trickle down effect. we have to ask critical questions of bernie sanders too. >> that's the point. and i'm sorry to interrupt you but that's the exact point. if we're going to examine hillary clinton, let's do the same for bernie sanders. he was in congress and the only one -- >> a short while ago -- i have déjà vu right now. >> you have smart people.
>> that's fine but i want people to look at this and judge hillary clinton with the same lens and judge bernie sanders with the same one. because he's complicit in this as well. and mas incarcination, we probably have relatives that have been caught in this system of systemic injustice and racism but the question is how do we get out of that? who's talking about adopting the solutions put forth by the ferguson commission? >> listen, you mentioned ferguson and ferguson, which went on to -- we started discussing other issues, blackish, the television show took that on tonight. i was honored to be part of that episode. let's watch and then discuss.
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because we rebelled all over the country that we have a spotlight here, that black lives matter is a chanlt,t, a call and a rallyi cry and i hope it continues. >> donald trump is the odds on favor toite to take the nominat but he may be farther ahead than you might think. i'm going to talk to a wizard of political predictions. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop. because you believe in go. onward. today's the day. carpe diem. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back. what you do with it is up to you. tylenol®.
xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. we are counting down to our gop debate tomorrow night in houston, the last debate before super tuesday. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. frontrunner, his name is donald trump leaving every other candidate in the dust and he may just be unstoppable, whether the rest of the gop likes it or not. what will the elite party do with a candidate who refuses to quit? is there really a bombshell in trump's taxes that could threaten to derail him. danica patrick supports