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ts you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. we are counting down to our gop debate tomorrow night in houston, the last debate before super tuesday. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. frontrunner, his name is donald trump leaving every other candidate in the dust and he may just be unstoppable, whether the rest of the gop likes it or not. what will the elite party do with a candidate who refuses to quit? is there really a bombshell in trump's taxes that could threaten to derail him. danica patrick supports ted
cruz, gentlemen, thank you for joining us, good to have you. >> thank you. >> jeff, you first, trump's taxes as you know mitt romney told fox news tonight he believes there is a bombshell in your candidate's taxes, what is your reaction? >> well, obviously, it's ironic for mitt romney where he was pretty much derailed by his taxes back in his failed campaign four years ago to now come out and use the harry reid tactic on donald trump. so it is a very reactive statement. i don't know what bombshell is going to be there. mitt romney was trying to play he was just the average guy, not true to his self, he was wealthy and being a successful person and donald trump is very much out there saying yes, i am a very successful person. and we all know he is one of the most successful people of all time and we all know he pays a lot of money in taxes. so i will tell you as the state treasurer for arizona the only bombshell you will find out there about donald trump's taxes
is what the government does after they receive the money, with the fraud and abuse. that is the bombshell. we all know he is very successful, and pays a lot of taxes. there is nothing to hide there. >> all right, jeff, anderson cooper asked him about it. >> tax returns are very, very complicated. i have many companies and a complex system of taxes and frankly i get audited every single year. so unlike everybody else who never gets audited, i get audited every single year which i think is unfair. but i go through large audits and that is the way it is. but we'll make a determination over the next couple of months. it's very complicated. >> but point blank, does that mean you absolutely will release them? just a question of when? >> no, i will make that determination over the next couple of months, i would say we'll make that determination. >> okay, and he later tweeted, had he said mitt romney totally
blew an election that should have been won and his tax returns that made him look like a fool is now playing tough guy. why wouldn't he just release them, jeff, is the question? >> well, it just came up. his financials are out there. he released his financials, i'm talking everything, detailing 10 billion thereof all of his comp way before the deadline. so everything is out there. if you want to know about donald trump's finances, go on line, pull it up. it's out there. so it's just the establishment trying to derail what is a movement in the country to take our country back. >> all right, lieutenant governor. you are supporting ted cruz, will he ask donald trump about his taxes in that debate? >> i'm not sure. here is what i want to talk about, don, i want to talk about the fact this is a two-man race, even though there are five people on the stage tomorrow night. even though he is a great guy --
>> we'll get to that. >> i hope we get to it. i'm not interested in talking about the tax returns. i'm interested in talking about ted cruz -- >> with all due respect, one of the reasons we brought you on is to ask you about the taxes, we'll get to the other later. >> don, i answered the question, i don't know if ted will ask him tomorrow and the truth is donald trump says he will release them in a few months after the primaries are over. that is what i'm hearing. >> i can answer that question for you, don -- >> hold on, let him have the opportunity to respond to what he wants to talk about. so lieutenant governor, what else can we expect from your candidate at this debate tomorrow night? >> hey, thanks, don, this is where we are in the race. there are five people on the stage tomorrow night but the only person who can defeat donald trump is the person who defeated him in iowa. that is ted cruz. after super tuesday, don, ted will win texas and the lion's
share of the delegates, by wednesday morning, all the contest will be between donald trump and ted cruz, marco rubio said he is not going to win one on the 5th or 8th, but the 15th. 50% of the delegates will have been chosen. this is a two-man race between donald trump and ted cruz. here are the statistics. one out of three republican voters have been voting for donald trump. two out of three decided not to. when it's a two-man race those two will be behind ted cruz, for all of those -- who don't know the math, texas again is the biggest share of next tuesday's votes with about 15% of all the
delegates, ted will win, i think he will do very well. if you don't get 20% of the votes in texas you don't get any delegates. by next tuesday, we should have marco rubio, carson and john kasich should step aside, but the rest will vote for ted cruz. >> do you agree with his strategy at all, jeff? >> no, not at all, he keeps saying two thirds voted against trump. 46% of nevada just voted for trump. if you're trying to say oh, that 53% will add up to something. donald trump just got in the last election we just had in the late state, which we just had of nevada, he got more than ted cruz and rubio put together. that is a terrible assessment. >> don, it's not a terrible assessment, if you average the votes nevada is a very small state. if you take iowa, new hampshire, south carolina and nevada donald trump is about 35% of all the
votes so far. in fact, next tuesday texas has more delegates, don and jeff, than iowa, new hampshire, south carolina and nevada combined. and by the way, most people don't know this, don, texas has early voting, we started last tuesday a week ago. almost 500,000 votes have already been cast for texas. we'll break the record. ted will be the favorite son and do very well in texas. and the other states it will be on super tuesday, will be divided by donald trump and ted cruz. look, at the end of the day don, whoever the nominee is every republican will support that person to defeat the democrats. i'm just telling you it will be ted cruz, it will take longer than some thought, a tough road for both. here is what i know about politics, being lieutenant governor, when you see a candidate that has a ceiling, don, the people who are not voting for them are not going to
vote for them later. donald trump's ceiling is about 35% of the vote. >> jeff, i'll give you the last word in word. >> well, we look at the state, early ballots have been out for a while as the lieutenant pointed out. if you go to june of 2012 when ted cruz was running, lieutenant patrick actually said he would never support ted cruz in that campaign and voted against him. supported david dewhurst. >> i said -- >> and it's funny now -- >> let him -- gentlemen, hang on, both of you hang on, when we all speak the viewer gets nothing out of it. so lieutenant governor let him finish and then i will let you respond. > when you said he gets to have the final word, and he gets it
wrong i'm going to respond. >> lieutenant dan in 2012, you got in a shouting match with ted cruz calling had him a liar with what his campaign was putting out there. and you supported david dewhurst, now, with ted cruz being a liar, now all of a sudden you're supporting him. he needs to drop out. >> don, can i go -- very quickly, jeff, here is the problem with donald trump is that all you can do is attack and thrown around words like liar. here is the bottom line, i just said if donald trump wins the nomination i will be in there to defeat hillary clinton. why don't you just stand up and talk about public policy and quit attacking everybody on the stage. >> lieutenant, i was quoting you. >> jeff, let him finish. >> sorry. >> i'm just telling you the reason donald trump is not going to win this is you can't insult your way, and jeb bush is right, you can't insult your way to get the nomination, the people
voting against donald trump so far who voted for jeb in the race, who voted for carson, and rubio and ted, they made the decision, they are not going to vote for him. they don't like the act. when it gets down to the final stage, and it's two hours, he may be able to get along with one-liners, moderators like you will ask detailed questions, ted cruz will clearly show the american public who actually has a record and has not changed his mind on every issue. so again, again, donald trump -- ted cruz wins that race. >> thanks, don, thank you for having me. >> stay with cnn for all the events in politics. tomorrow night, five remaining candidates take to the stage for the last debate before super tuesday, the cnn presidential debate moderated by wolf blitzer
defense attorney alan dershowitz. do you or any others think he has a shot at wresting the nomination over donald trump? >> it's very difficult, it's getting harder and harder. i do think rubio has a shot. if cruz dropped out it would be rubio against trump. it would be a very close race and rubio might win. i'm not sure that cruz can do that, he is a strong candidate and very extreme, may do to the republicans what barry goldwater did to them back years ago, give them a devastating loss as a liberal democrat, that would please me. but as a loyal american i want to see two very strong candidates run on each party.
i want to see at the end of the day that i would be satisfied that either of them won even though i prefer one candidate over the other. it just doesn't look like it's moving in that direction. >> what do you expect from the debate tomorrow night? >> you know, we never know, it's the most unpredictable element in trump. he violeated -- i mean, the kennedy school, everything has been proved wrong. so who knows what one could predict about any element of this campaign. it is utterly unpredictable. >> i know, people get so passionate, i am sure you saw my last two guests, nobody is listening to what everybody is saying. all right, let's move on to the supreme court, the vacancy left by antonin scalia. a huge issue right now. what did you want to say?
>> well, i think the president is handling it absolutely brilliantly. he has to nominate, he may nominate a republican, somebody approved by republicans or a republican governor or sitting senator or somebody who comes from an ethnic. he is doing it and has to put it to the republicans and say look, i did my job now you have to do your job. i think the american public will not accept a republican senate that doesn't even give hearings or give the american people a right to hear what a candidate has to say. >> let me -- >> and again in the end we may have a vacancy. >> let me read what the president says he is looking for in the nominee. a deep respect for the judiciary role and an understanding of the way the world really works. that is what i'm considering as i fulfill my constitutional duty to appoint the judge to the highest court. and it sounds like he is saying
maybe you should fulfill your constitutional duty, as well. so what kind of person do you have in mind? >> well, there are two ways he can go. he can pick a real liberal and know it would be rejected and give the democratic nominee a terrific political issue, that would politicalize the court. i think he is currently looking at somebody on the d.c. circuit who has been approved by republicans or somebody who is a conservative memory. remember in the scotus blog, he spoke about applying the law. i think he will pick somebody terrific. who it will be very, very hard for the republicans to reject. they may reject them anyway, and that would give the democrats a strong chance. >> what if the next person is a
democrat -- >> and there are several possibilities. the next president is a democrat and the senate is a democrat, the next president is a democrat, and the senate, republican. we could have a vacancy for a while. this could be a dramatic moment between the three branches. >> what does it mean for the country, allen? >> nobody seems to care about the future of the country. the democrats would have done the same thing if the shoe had been on the other foot. let's not make this good guys versus the bad guys, both the democrats and republicans have looked into that far too much. >> i have been wanting to speak to you about apple. what happens with this apple case? do you think that apple should allow the government to look into the phones? we're talking about the dispute
with the fbi about unlocking the san bernardino shooter's iphone? >> this is a very important issue for the future. i think apple should have simply done something quietly to open the phone. this the worst case for apple. we're talking about two to three weeks of data not on the cloud. very bad case for apple -- >> tim cook is the ceo. he was on abc and then you can continue your response. here it is. >> this is not a position that we would like to be in. it is a very uncomfortable position. to oppose your government on something doesn't feel good. and to oppose it on something where we are advocating for civil liberties, which they are supposed to protect, it is incredibly ironic. >> what do you think, allen, civil liberties? a threat?
>> civil liberties are all involved and we should be concerned about everybody's civil liberties, not only the iphone. let's assume that apple invents a new technique that nobody can open the phone, not even apple. and they have a location regarding a nuclear bomb in new york harbor that will blow up in 24 hours. should apple be allowed to prevent itself in an emergency from opening up a phone? i don't think so. the ticking bomb scenario is a realistic one. it could happen in the united states. and nobody should be able to have a phone that under no circumstances, even the most extreme emergency can't be opened, privacy is very important. safety is very important. appropriate balance has to be struck. best place to strike it is initially in the legislature and then the supreme court. i think this case is a hard case that will make bad law. >> yeah, it's happened before. something happens to if god forbid what you said happens, happens. >> well, we all hope that
doesn't happen but you know we have to be prepared for every possible scenario. >> thank you, alan dershowitz. >> thank you. >> when we come back, donald trump has the lead, but is he the favorite to win the nomination? we'll do the math next. don shelby oh width, deter show width, chris deschene, zeshz, zesh, don shel
. six days to go until the super tuesday contest, hundreds of delegates up for grabs. at the point who is the odds-on favorite to win the nomination? here to discuss is the co-founder that combines polls, public opinion and other data to predict where the election will go. okay, greg, good to have you here. quickly i want you to explain to our viewers what pivot is looking at when it comes to this presidential election. >> absolutely, don, thank you for having us. i think of pivot that is combining polling data, gambling market data, realtime news and the changing opinions of the
general population who are all answering one simple question. who do you think will win the nomination or the election? they're not asking the question who would you vote for today or in the future? tey're asking the question who do you think would win and the answer most people are looking for. so think of it as a real time reflection as the general population would choose. >> trump had a big win last night in nevada, what is the political marketplace thinking about his odds of taking the gop nomination? >> indeed, right now what the market is telling us, donald trump has about a 71% chance to win the republican nomination. those odds are about 14% higher than they were last night following the nevada caucus. and it's a meaningful move, putting mr. trump's chances at what would be the highest for the historical context, the highest that they have ever been
for him. >> the highest that they have ever been for him, but not ever. >> just his odds to win the nomination, that is right. >> how about marco rubio? >> so senator rubio's chances right now are 27%, about a 13% decline following the nevada caucus. it's also a significant decline for him. in many ways, sort of indicative of where the general sentiment is about the candidates themselves. >> okay. so based on your data, is donald trump unstoppable? >> we try to just look at the data. and kind of reflect back what the market is telling us. and the market as it represents general consensus among the population, you know, the 100,000 or so people who are engaged in this. and what it would tell us right now is that if you look at the primary states in particular, donald trump's chance to win the
florida primary is about 68% right now. so the odds of him winning senator rubio's home state primary are markedly higher than they have been. if you look at his odds to win the texas primary, senator cruz' home state they're about 38%. and i think most people would say those two states will be highly indicative of where the nomination heads from here. so we would look at those two as the barometers, really in the upcoming primaries. >> all right, let's look at the democratic matchup with donald trump. so first -- hillary versus trump, what do we have? >> so in a hypothetical matchup, and that is what these are, we are able to kind of gauge people's perception of whether they think a candidate is likely to win. if you create a hypothetical market like this, hillary clinton, her odds would apply to about a 64% chance of winning in
a head to head general election with donald trump and about a 60% chance of her winning in a general election against marco rubio. i think the takeaway there is while well is a moderate difference, it's really not a meaningful one. so i think either one of the gop candidates would stand a chance against hillary clinton. >> okay, how can our viewers participate? >> so the easiest thing to go to would be cnn.com/predi cnn.com/predictregister. open an account, a free to play game. although it is a fun thing to do, the scale of the market now is being taken seriously across the worlds of finance, and politics. so while you are hopefully having enjoyment engaging with the news you're also helping to promote a data set that folks
will listen to and get a sense of away what is happening in th polls and the election. >> we appreciate you coming on. we really appreciate you having us on. >> i want to bring in the market strategist, and cnn political commentator and cnn contributor bakari sellers. so what is your reaction to the head to head matchups? if you put them up, hrc, hillary clinton wins, 64%, marco rubio versus hillary clinton, hillary clinton wins 60%. and you heard mr. depetri say you know what, those are pretty even odds there, what do you think, bakari? >> well, i actually laugh when you put up marco rubio against anybody, i don't know how we get
him to hillary clinton just yet. what we do know from the beginning of the process we knew hillary clinton would be a formidable candidate and draws a lot of attention from the candidates. if it is anybody against donald trump i just bet on the american public we won't really elect a xenophobe to be president. >> you also say he is the only candidate who stands a chance against hillary clinton. why is that? >> well, i think the reason why is because hillary's biggest achille's heel, don, is clinton fatigue, and nobody will handle it better than donald trump. i just asked a couple of friends tonight, hey, what is hillary clinton's campaign tag line right now? does anybody know? not a single person knew. one of the things that donald has done very well is be
consistent, consistently simple, and consistently hammering. his point of view, obviously, he doesn't have much policy to speak of but i think he is the strongest, the most aggressive, and the person who puts on the best attack. but i still think hillary clinton will trump trump. >> if you walk down the street -- >> nobody knows hillary's tag line, do they? >> a tag line does not a president make. that is the other thing -- maybe it does. >> but you know what, it's certainly making for a republican nominee, margaret, because he doesn't have any real policy or substance, but everybody is -- >> it speaks to conscience, margaret. is donald trump the best guy to take on hillary clinton? >> well, look, i think this engagement tool is very interesting. i think all of these things that sort of measure polls and public opinions, gambling.
it's an interesting analytical tool to sort of quantify the race. donald trump is yes, more likely not to be the republican nominee but there are also really good polling that goes into this, too. i'll just remind my friend, bakari sellers, the average has him beating hillary clinton. it's not just that hillary clinton walks away with this. by the way, this is a reflection of the moment now. we all know these races are dynamic, not static, so it's a fun engaging tool. >> i've got to get philip in here, bakari, before you respond, we're asking hepeople,
even if you vote for somebody else, who has the best chance to win? and in this, it's donald trump and hillary clinton. >> obviously, i have to believe, we've seen an increasing reliance on partisanship with people making up their minds, a lot of republicans voting for the republicans, a lot of democrats voting for the democrats. and basically saying it could not happen, i want to go back to the point against donald trump running against hillary clinton, i think there is a strong case to make that donald trump will bring out voters and appeal to middle class voters. i don't know if he is going to be a beneficial candidate to republicans in that regard. >> all right, we'll continue this after the break. everybody stay with me. today, the gop revered ronald reagan, but what would the former president think about the candidates? we'll talk about that when we come back.
margaret, you're the best person to address this question to. this was brought up on the campaign trail. >> reagan didn't just win an election, he defined a generation. he defined for the american people what it meant to be a conservative. >> so then he went on to mention reagan's name, margaret, at least a dozen times more. but "the new york times" is up with an op-ed, the core that got reagan elected and reelected, reagan was also a pramatist, able to pursue his goal and eager to expand his party's appeal. and then it goes on to ask how did the inclusive forward
looking party become the crass xenop xenophobic party. >> by the way, i don't know if it's a reflection of the rather than party, i have written a lot of this, i am sort of for the republican party that can appeal to a new generation. just a point to think about. the millennial generation, the ones born at the end of the reagan under, they outnumber the vote, more will be eligible, the oldest were eight years old when reagan was leaving office. the majority of them were not alive when he was leaving office. i love ronald reagan as much as the rest. you have to represent the
sensibilities of where the country is, with different demographics, and if you're going to bring a new wave of people into the republican party you have to represent what a conservative solution would be to climate change, to the evironment generally, to immigration reform and lgbt issues. this is where the country is now and the republican party has not been able to address this. >> what would you -- would ronald reagan recognize the gop party now? does margaret have a point when she talks about millennials and reaching out to younger people? >> to my good friend margaret, all i can do with that is say amen, she hit the nail on the head. ronald reagan's greatest aspect was the fact he was able to expand his party's base.
that is not what is happening now. the fact of the matter is, you cannot be president of the united states with simply white conservative men. you can't, the party has to begin to expand and grow. and donald trump did something amazing in south carolina the other night. not only did he beat the establishment but he beat everything that the establishment wants the republican party to look like. he beat marco rubio, tim scott, and nikki haley, and he beat them soundly. until they bring for new people, the 45th president of the united states will have a d by her name. >> when choosing trump, what do you think it says about the direction of the gop? >> well, i don't know that the gop has chosen trump. i think the voters in terms of being conservatives are choosing it. and i think that is the interesting thing to watch is you know that the rules have been flipped on their head.
i love everything that margaret said but she is like a unicorn for the republican party. there is not a lot of people who share her view. you can see a lot of where their picks are. if it were rubio, he is the guy who would probably appeal to a wider base but instead, you see people coming out in wider droves and beat the drum to get somebody as divisive, who is as nasty and lacks policy on every single issue, like trump. so it's becoming sort of a joke to watch. >> remember when their goal was to reach minorities, when you look at who is winning and what is happening on the campaign trail, you have to ask what happened to the autopsy report? >> they called it an autopsy report, the party is dead. >> to the reagan question, i
don't think the party would recognize this year's race. we're talking about an electorate -- >> so what happened so fast? it was quick. >> well, what happened the autopsy report focused on immigration and said we need to come up with immigration reform, there is a big push of immigration reform driven by a lot of establishment republicans. the basic republican party got upset, threw the candidate out of office in virginia, next thing you know donald trump is the frontrunner by stumbling onto the issue of immigration. that is what he will carry the ball forth with. there will be more people over 65, as well as the people who are non-white. and we'll continue to have this polarized for the electorate. >> margaret, you hate that
donald trump coming off a huge victory in nevada. and he surprised a lot of people with the level of support he got from hispanic voters. here to talk about that strategy, maria cardona -- >> guerra -- >> guerra, the rnc's director of hispanic media. these little things we talk about during the break, how should i pronounce that? they give me the way i should say it. ruth guerra. explain to may what the gop has done for the hispanic elections since 2012 -- >> don, well, since 2012, yes, i can hear you, since 2012 we decided we launched our engagement program and we honestly can say we have been in the hispanic community for over
two years now. the amount of volunteers that we're gathering. the amount of staff we're in the middle of hiring, we're in the middle of hiring about 200 people paid staff and a lot of these folks will be in the hispanic communities. and they will be hispanic themselves because who else better to go door-to-door to talk to another hispanic and telling them why they're republican and why they should vote republican. >> so you think it's working? >> sorry, say again -- >> do you think that approach is working? >> well, here are the facts. the facts are we started back -- after 2012. and what we saw in 2014 mid-terms in colorado, for example, with wins with senator corey gardner, and wins in a highly hispanic county. we made major gains in that county and senator corey gardner won that state, not only in that state but also in texas, you
look at senator john cornyn who won over 40% of that vote. when they are engaged and present and talking about the issues they care about we know that in every single poll, it is jobs, the economy, national security, these are the top issues that these candidates took to them during their election. >> i want to get maria in here, because i want you to listen, maria, to donald trump, what he told donald trump tonight about the hispanic vote. >> i don't know, when you say one half of 1% i don't know what that represents. i can say we got 46% of the latino vote or the hispanic vote and that was far more than anybody else in the field. and that is pretty good, i think. you know, obviously it's not the whole nation but it's awwhat we had to deal with. and we got 46% of the vote. and i think that is very indicative of the nation,
actually. >> maria, why would you call the results of that astonishing? >> well, they were astonishing not only because of donald trump's spin, but the fact is not only how small that sample is or could be, it was a small sample that the majority of those would go to donald trump. but look, i think that speaks more to the dismal campaigns that the other two latino candidates were running, marco rubio, and ted cruz, the fact to donald trump could garner more than double the support that either one of them got among the latino electorate. but look, the bottom line is to it doesn't really matter because you know, even with ruth's amazing spin, the republican party is in huge peril with the hispanic community. and no matter who the candidate is, they are not going to be
able to get to the white house without at least 42% of the hispanic vote and they are probably, maybe on a good day, 17 or 18% support. >> i would just add to that no candidate will get to the white house if you're not trusted. and if you're not honest. and hillary clinton has -- her numbers are under water when it comes to that. so i mean, maria, i get it, but at the same time when you look at hillary clinton in nevada and the fact that bernie sanders was leading her, especially among the young latinos when she supposedly has a firewall -- >> that is not true, she actually won the hispanic vote. when it comes to latinos, hillary clinton is beating every single candidate on the republican side out of the water. any candidate would kill for her numbers -- >> but any number of latinos that barack obama got, she is not getting that because bernie
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