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the president said no, i'm not going to sing. i gus he couldn't resist. victor gets like that, too, during the break but we'll never show you. hey, victor. >> hey, christi. we'll continue live special coverage of the democratic primary here in south carolina coming up at 10:00 eastern. the show will continue. we've got special guests coming up including killer mike who is with the sanders campaign. smerconish starts now. ♪ ♪ i'm michael smerconish. how can i sum up where we are with the race. some think senator lindsey graham might have nailed it. >> my party is gone [ bleep ] bat crazy. what. >> what went on in houston
thursday night gave me a flash back. early 1970s, saturday mornings, the wreck room, my brother and me on bean bag chairs watching prowrestling. chief jay and the george the animal steel mud slinging and foreign objects. well, guess what learned on those mats, too? >> look at those divas. and you say trump is a profit. i think that's spelled p-r-o-f-i-t. >> hey! >> the classy trump and so it was in houston, rubio and cruz tag teamed the villain trump but short lived because the trump pulled somebody else into the ring thankfully not wearing tights. former arch rival chris christie was suddenly his side kick but
can anything stop trump's assent before this episode of wrestle mania wraps up on tuesday. >> hey, i'm a genius. donald trump said it so it must be true. he didn't say my name even when giving me sarcastic credit. his observation came the night of his impressive victory in south carolina after i noted on cnn that if you add up the votes garnered by rubio, bush and kasich, they beat trump. >> i'm adding the vote total of rubio, kasich and bush and that's a total that exceeds donald trump and wouldn't that be an interesting dynamic if becomes one of cruz and trump? >> i already tweeted this and similar observations but minutes after i said it on tv, trump took the stage and mentioned my theory in his victory speech. >> a number of pundits said
well, if a couple drop out and add their scores together, it will equal trump. these geniuses. thigh a they are geniuses. as people drop out i'll get a lot of those votes, also. you don't just add them together. so i think we're going to do very, very well. >> the numbers don't lie and the poll released february 17 trump built republicans nationwide and also leading in the category of candidate you would definitely not support. a full 28% of republicans say they would never support trump's nomination. and looking toward the general election, 60% of all americans view him unfavorably. it's just one of the many things that i want to talk to john king about, the chief political correspondent, the host of cnn's inside politics, which this
sunday morning area for a full hour beginning at 8:00 a.m. eastern. john, react to my theory that there is enough establishment vote out there to topple trump if somebody would only get out. >> somebody or somebodies, michael. you might need two people to get out. let's look at the state of play and explore your theory. here is where we are, south carolina dell cmocrats voting t and we'll be through the first four contests. tuesday night we begin the math phase with the first super tuesday ex if yand if you look map, donald trump is narrowly. they need to prove it soon and we know nobody is dropping out before tuesday. that's why you have advantage trump. let's switch and take a look. trump heads into super tuesday with 82 delegates, lead over cruz and rubio and kasich and michael, this is what people think is going to happen on super tuesday. trump could run the board, that would be 11 states. that we're proportioning
delegates that would get him out here. let's just for the sake of argue the say that ted cruz does win the state of texas and donald trump comes in second, rubio third and kasich fourth there. that's the only state of the super tuesday states where we know trump is behind in the polls. so if you're going to get donald trump, guess what? it's probably not going to start this effort until wednesday morning after super tuesday and look at the lead. donald trump will be somewhere in the ballpark of 330 to 350 delegates, maybe even a little more if he has blowouts on wednesday morning and if ted cruz wins texas, well, that complicates your theory, michael, because if ted cruz wins texas he's not going to get out and we have to take this further. let me walk over this way and show you the rest of march as the rest of march plays out, then you have march 5th, 6th, 8th and 15th. if it takes that long to test your theory, that's when ohio and florida vote. the home states of kasich and
rubio. at the moment they say they aren't going anywhere. if trump keeps winning, you need 1207 to win. if he swept super tuesday and march, he would be way out here in the 800. let's just say for the sake of argument, he's trailing in the polls now but hypothetically, let's give rubio, trump, cruz and kasich florida and let's give kasich his home state of ohio assuming he waits that long and trump second and cruz third and rubio fourth, i'm making that up. third and fourth doesn't matter so much in the delegates. if you take the two home states away, trump is still well ahead and the problem with your theory, is if they both win, they will both stay. the question is will one of them lose at home and will one get out? if they wait that long, michael, that's a pretty steep hill. yes, mathematically you can catch up to donald trump but boy, that's a hard challenge. >> time is of the essence and what i'm hearing from john king is trump might run the table this coming tuesday. there's an opportunity for rubio
or for kasich to make up the lost ground on the 15th, the first -- pardon me, the next super tuesday but boy, if it doesn't happen soon it's not going to happen. can now dot this. right now their theory is get my home state. ted cruz needs to get texas and ohio. that's not enough. if they do that, that's just simply not enough. they need to change the fundamentals. kasich's dream strategy is he wins michigan. fill in three and four. okay. i'm sorry, though, john kasich even if he wins ohio and michigan is still in fourth place. and so the question is can you fundamentally change the race and starts losing a lot of states. the only way to do that is to bend the ark of the fundamental race. right now trump is winning, trump is ahead and has resources and learned how to manage the media cycle and chris christie and so you have to change the fundamental ark of the race picking up one state or two.
>> john king, tomorrow morning 8:00 eastern for a full hour of inside politics, just in time for tuesday. thank you, john. >> thank you, michael. john kasich, thank you for being here. let me ask you a question very much on people's minds. if you believed that the only way to deny donald trump the nomination would be by personally getting out of the race, would you be prepared to do so on that basis alone? >> i would never believe that. i would never believe that i'm not going to be the nominee and there's all kinds of reasons for me to believe it because i'm the last governor standing. there were 16 people in the race. it's down to four or five of us. and i believe we're doing well. we're gaining momentum from a political and a financial perspecti perspective, and look, if i get head-to-head with donald trump in ohio, i beat him by 18
points. so i believe that i'm going to be the nominee. >> i saw a tweet that you sent out within the last 24 hours that said you expect donald trump is going to win everywhere on tuesday. if that's the case, then what is the kasich path to victory? >> well, look, we think we're going to get delegates here and this thing will head north and i just explained to you that i'm going to beat donald trump in ohio. once that happens, everything changes. everything changes in this race. and we have many, many more races to go. and the calendar begins to work for me. >> i don't doubt that you beat him in ohio and perhaps elsewhere if you could get him alone but you're not going to get trump to yourself by march 15 because rubio is not going away. >> yeah, but we'll beat him in ohio when we get the march 15th and if it isn't head-to-head. we'll win anyway. we'll do well in ohio. don't worry about it.
we'll do fine. >> governor, i thought you were the adult on the stage in houston thursday night, and i want to ask you this, were you embarrassed by what was going on in the center of the stage between rubio, trump and cruz? >> donald claims to care about -- >> you know -- >> donald -- he said -- >> rules are very hard for you and very confusing. >> i have his book -- >> the reality tv show. >> thank you for the book -- >> because i looked into the audience and i saw bush 41 for whom i once worked and was proud to serve and looked at him and looked what the was going on in the center of the stage and said my god has the party fallen since his era. what were you thinking? >> well, i mean, at one point everything was unintelingble, when they did closed caption, they flashed up unintelble.
that is never a good thing. >> i was thinking of the fact after the last cycle, priebus wrote the autopsy on the gop and reduced the number of debates because they thought the gop brand was harmed. i'm watching what happened in houston thursday and i'm saying if john kasich pulls this off and becomes the nominee, does some of that bad behavior, not on your part but of your opponents come back to harm the brand of the party under whose label you're running? >> no, i don't think so. i think that, you know, once you pick a nominee, the nominee gets to call the tune, gets to set the agenda, gets to set the mood, gets to set the tone, and look, you know, it's sort of like they were asking a question about well, what about hispanic volters? i'm not changed my position on immigration. so if i'm the nominee, it's my position on immigration that represents the party. part of what i would have the ability to do for those who are
listening is to begin to redefine to some respects what it means to be a republican and conservative. >> did you make any effort to get chris christie's endorsement? >> yeah, i talked to a chris a couple times, and, you know, i think, you know, look, chris went to new hampshire. he wanted to win. and i got in and he didn't win and i think that's always a tough situation but chris is a good friend of mine. he will remain a friend of mine. and, you know, i was a little surprised by it but life will go on. it's not going to really have a major impact on our campaign but of course i wanted to have his support but just didn't get it. >> governor kasich, good luck on tuesday. >> michael, always a pleasure and when i was in new hampshire, i told you how we were going to do. >> and you did. >> keep your eyes open. thank you. >> thanks, governor. when donald trump first entered the race, he seemed a
punch line to many but now that he's locking up the nomination, things are getting serious and making many nervous. the former mexican president just compared him to hitler. >> he said he's going to bring back america to what it was, that's crazy. never, never before america, united states was so big, so strong, so powerful, so successful. today he's going to take that nation back to the old days of politics, war, and everything. it's -- he remembers me of hitler. that's the way he started speaking. >> that was how a recent essay in the washington pose began quote i have spent my life perplexed about exactly how hitler could come in power with germany watching donald trump's rise i understand. the piece titled the moment of truth we must stop trump by dr.
daniel allen go so far to plead with democrats to reregister with republicans and vote for marco rubio. dr. allen joins me now a politic political theoriest at harvard and democrat and supporter of hillary clinton. dr. allen, normally i think holocaust references diminish when went on. defend your use of the terms in the post. >> let's be clear. i was comparing the american people now to the german people in the 1930s. both cases this is the people characterized by incredible political division and economic insecurity. that's the critical point. we're vulnerable to being taken advantage of a demagogue. i wasn't comparing the two individuals, comparison about the political situation and realities and i think that's why what i really want to do is say everybody should take a moment, stop and think about what really matters here. there is lots of reason to think
we do need to get our house in order, yes, on immigration, yes, on issues of security but voting for donald trump is like trying to get your house in order, clean up the house by burning down the house. that's the thing we have to focus on and the reason i say that is because he's not committed to basic constitutional ideas. remember, he proposed we should go ahead and register muslims, that's a violation of first amendment freedom of association and religion. again, violation of first amendment freedoms. he also in rallies condoned roughing up protesters, wishing he could throw punches at protesters and said it was better than the good old days. that's on docondoning unlawful violence. >> you say what should happen is the american publics, rs and ds, and is need to go around marco rubio. the field needs to clear and
people support rubio, even democrats. >> that's right. that's my view. we the people, those opposing trump should stand up, put their hands up and vote where the vote is most meaningful in effect to opposition against donald trump and the most meaningful place against donald trump is against marco rubio. >> are you prepared as a resident of massachusetts, maybe i'm incorrect but are you prepared to reregister to do that? >> the reason i wrote this is because i went to go reregister and missed the deadline there is a deadline to meet in order to do it. >> the party elders and might come out against donald trump, people might do that and it would probably help him because he would be able to stand there and say look at what is rallying against me and that would embolden his base. have you thought about that? >> i am calling out to every citizen of conscience and party elders because i take them to be
citizens of conscience but every single voter in america to stop and think about the basic fundamentals of having a republic that requires protection for freedom of association, protection for freedom of relig gin, protekts for lawfulness and for everybody. non-arbitrary and these are not things donald trump has in his very character and being. i take for example, there to be a link between his policy propels and basic instincts. look at his talking over. stealing other people's right to freedom of speech in his character and prose polls. >> quick final question, is part of your motivation you look at the juggernaut he has become and say my god, he could defeat secretary clinton, my candidate. >> i've known he was a strong candidate from the beginning. i wrote an op ed in september. he has a floor of durable committed supporters, 20, 25
percent in the republican party that would never go away and bring other people on top of that. we were sufficiently divided nation that is enough to put somebody over the top, enough to catapult somebody who james wilson and a founding father i believe would call a vicious man and that is not something we can afford to let happen. >> dr. diane allen, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure, thanks for having me. >> you can tweet me and i'll read the best and worst later in the program. up next, to take on trump, marco rubio actually tag teamed with his rival ted cruz. but how long can he survive while mud slinging against the master? rubio senior advisor joins us next. >> let me tell you something, last night during the debate during one of the breaks, two of the breaks we went back stage and having a melt down. first he had this little makeup thing applying like makeup on his mustache. >> you had to see him back
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[ cheers [ cheers ] >> unbelievable. >> joining me now is jason row, a senior adviser to marco rubio. is the new plan, hey, will stoop to his level? >> not about stooping but calling out this con man that somehow convinced conservatives across the country that he is in any way a representative of our interest as republicans, conservativ conservatives, americans and we saw the other night in the debate is a guy that doesn't have any grasp on policy. has terms of what to do and his agenda is and as we've watched for six, eight months doesn't
have the temperament to be president of the united states. >> is the way to do that is say he peed his pants? >> the overwhelming majority of the criticisms are focused on substantive policy things mam. t donald trump attacked every one whose been even mildly critical of him, and if he can't take a little ribbing back at him, then i guess that just demonstrates again that he's not temperame temperamentally suited for the job. if he's going to stand in the oval office and use that to attack everyone that disagrees with him, we're not going to move the country forward. >> i guess i would respond by saying that the president does receive a lot of criticism and it does come with the office but the incivility that is a hallmark is something we ought to be getting away profrom, not encouraging. it occurs to me and i'm sure
you'll disagree what you're actually doing now is helping ted cruz because someone who today is on the trump bandwagon and hears marco rubio going after donald trump doesn't necessarily come to marco if they become disenchanted. they probably go to cruz, no? >> well, no, i don't think that's the case. i think, you know, looking at, you know, maybe talking about it in donald trump's language, looking at the way this is shaping up, marco rubio is an appreciating asset where ted cruz is defreshuatipreciating a. we have the opportunity to unite the conservative movement and move the party forward. donald trump is our nominee and will be a pinata in the hands of hillary clinton. people that are angry that are channelling their anger through donald trump right now, i think need to consider how angry they
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court justice but senate members declared they won't even interview, much less hold hearings for, brian sandoval a moderate republican and former judge of mexican heritage but before it go anywhere, sandoval with drew. was that shadow boxing? now comes news president obama reached out to the most important person in a position to change this stand off. joining me now is senator hatch. senator, thank you so much for being here. please tell us about the conversation you had with the president relative to the scalia position with the court. >> i'm happy to be with you. did a very good job. it was a private conversation in the oval office and he let me see and sit in joe biden's seat. it was kind of fun. but we had a very quiet and also very reflective chat and
needless to say, he was a little bit uptight about the republican's feeling this seat should not be filled at this time. >> the letter that you signed, the letter the 11 of you signed said the american and who will be the successor to justice scalia. wait a minute, the american people decided that twice elected barack obama. >> the republicans believe that and until next year and termination and get it out of the heated politics we've had over the last number of years. >> if the argument is we live in a very unsettled time politically speaking, imagine a president trump. do you think will will be any more continuity in that kind of environment that would allow a seat like this to be filled.
>> it worries me whoever is going to be president because i want the very best that can find to fill the seat and justice scalia was one of the best and he shouldn't be degraded because the president wants somebody that really doesn't fill his shoes. >> senator -- >> i -- >> respectfully, you're not even giving the man the opportunity to put someone in front of you. >> we are. >> we're not even going to interview this man or woman the president would deem deevening something of your consideration, your advice and consent. >> this is not something -- this is something that literally people who are very concerned about the court and do not want to po to politicalize and womone of those. >> it seems like the language, advice and consent, the 11 of you are putting forth says here is our advice, we will consent
to no one. >> no, that's certainly not true and frankly, it's not 1 is -- 11 of us. we all feel the same way. there may be one or two who do not and since we're not going to have hearings on it, why interview people in your office? that seems to me that's false situation right there. >> senator hatch, i'm curious to know whether you would grant an interview to former united states senator, former chair of the senate judiciary committee and current vice president of the united states, joe biden if the president should put his name forth. >> look, i've been with joe out here in utah. we're close friends. i think highly of him. this is not a question about the person. this is a question about the system. this is a question about what we should or should not do, and i believe we should not put a name up no matter who it is in this
very, very difficult time. >> but are you telling me that if the president puts forth your friend joe biden and he knocks on the door for an interview hatch isn't opening it? >> he can always get through my door but won't be for an interview for the supreme court, and look why? >> you're saying mr. president, you have a year left on the clock and we don't want to hear what name you're putting forth? >> don't tell me that republicans are being mean here because they are not. we just don't believe it should be done by this president in this presidential year as mixed-up as this presidential year is, we don't think we're likely to get a really tough supreme court justice but even then, we think it's a bad move to allow this president to have a justice with just a number of months left to go when we've got these kind of problems between
both sides on judicial selection. it isn't the person. that's not the situation. the next president they put up one of these people you mentioned. >> it's very -- sir, i have to tell you, it's very hard for me to accept that perspective. it really is. >> i understand. >> it's frustrating because i say, you know, there's got to be more respect shown for the office than to say we don't care who you send us. >> well you're saying that we got to accept anybody this president -- >> no, i'm not. i'm saying have the dignity to welcome -- >> no -- >> -- and hear them out. >> i would if we haven't made the decision that we shouldn't play a game here and let them know where we are and we're going to put it over until next year. they have just as much opportunity and chance of becoming president as we do and what really is a very, very p l politicalized arena now. >> thank you senator, appreciate
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the state department released another bach of hillary clinton e-mail yesterday. the final released on monday and the real news came this week when judicial watch a conseco conservative legal watchdog group ruled top aids to mrs. clinton about her use of a private e-mail server. the judge discovery proposal by april 12th, just about the time clinton is hoping to wrap up the nomination. judicial watch has been at the forefront of litigation over the e-mails having filed at least 20 lawsuits, thomas fitton is the head of judicial watch and lanny davis, i will start with thomas. a federal judge appointed i
should name by bill clinton saying this is about the public's right to know and a reasonable suspicion has been raised access to records, government records was under mined. how so? >> well, the system was set up and people like judicial watch or congressional investigators or anyone else asking for records under law from mrs. clinton's state department, either while she was there and afterwards didn't know about this system. and the state department judicial watch tells the courts they looked everywhere they could for records responsive to requests making on benghazi, on the job of her aid abedin, a controversy about her job specifically in this case we're investing and told no, we looked everywhere this is it and it turns out there is this whole cash of e-mails and that's what got the court's attention, not only the court here but others in the district of colombia.
really up ended the whole freedom of information act process and that's why this discovery will take place, why the system was set up, who knew about it and did the state department support it and where might other documents be? hillary clinton only turned over half of the e-mails she created while at the state department. should that other half be turned over? those questions will be resolved thanks to discovery. >> let me ask you this during, during her tenure from '09 through 2013 do you know of any freedom of information about request put forth by anyone where something from her private e-mail server was then produced? >> no. there was nothing that i'm aware of that showed that she had this separate system in response to freedom of information act request. >> he should the system have worked if she didn't have a private server but rather, was operating on a state gov account, how would it have worked? >> the request would have gone to the state department and
officials in the state department would have searched the e-mail servers of mrs. clinton or e-mail accounts on the state.gov network. >> when you file your proposal for discovery by april 12, will you include a request to take her deposition? >> unlikely. it's initially that we'll initially need that. it may come to pass that we will but the first folks will want to talk to are former and current officials that have known about the system and have information that will help the court figure out where the documents are. we may not need to speak to mrs. clinton to figure that out. >> thank you for being here. i want to switch to lanny davis. isn't there an issue of lack of transparency? >> well, there is an issue of the rule of law, and it's before the courts, whether it's lack of transparency as soon as secretary clinton got out of office, she is the only secretary to voluntarily disclose all of these e-mails and ask the state department to
fully put them out publicly over 25,000. so it wasn't the tradition before secretary clinton to do that, michael and you have to go back to secretary colin powell and rice who had recently people working for them post declared their e-mails they used that were private addresses contained classified information and somebody either representing secretary rice or powell said this is absurd to do post facto decoloration,s. to answer the question, yes, the freedom of information act needs to be followed. the state department and judicial watch are now litigating. another judge through out the judicial suit. have great respect for this federal judge. let's let the courts decide what is or isn't necessary to produce after review by the state department. >> what troubles me is the idea that if i, as a journalist, had filed a freedom of information
act request of secretary clinton during her tenure and if there were documents on her private e-mail server, there would have been no way my response would have included those documents because the state department people were out of the loop. there was no access they would have had. that's what i think is most problematic about this. >> well, let's at least state the facts and then the problematic side of it could be subjective judgment by you and i respect you grateful. 90% of the e-mails that hillary clinton received and forwarded, 90% of them went to state.gov to the state, not to the secretary would have been by at least the 90% on the server. >> might not secretary clinton
and 90% versus 10%. and came to repeat this is a matter in the courts between the state department and judicial watch -- >> i get it. >> secretary clinton asked the state department to release everything all at once months ago. >> right. lanny, i'm just -- you went to ja yale law school with her and it would not surprise me to learn she solicited lanny davis' advise and you wouldn't have been on a .gov server. take my final 30 seconds and respond to that hypothetical. >> my final 30 seconds, she never solicited my advice except the first day where she said where is the nearest legal services clinic. i said hillary, you need to get to the first semester of law school. let me close by saying i was out in neighborhoods in colombia, south carolina yesterday and
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