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e-mail, reaching an immunity agreement. we'll have details tomorrow, and i'll moderate the democratic debate. right now, cnn tonight with don lemon. yes, this is war. inside the gop. but is it too late for anybody to stop donald trump? this is "cnn tonight." i am don lemon. the republican powers that be in full panic mode in the wake of super tuesday night activities. and mitt romney getting ready to lob another grenade. with an attack on trunk in -- trump in a big speech tomorrow. >> there's nothing in his background to suggest to me you can trust donald trump when it comes to the conservative cause. >> and rival marco rubio missing no words. >> and if we choose donald trump as our nominee, he will have carried out the most elaborate con job in the history of america. >> is trump's rise a hostile
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takeover? or a liberation of the party. and why isn't the gop embracing their frontrunner? it certainly is an interesting thing going on. mitt romney is giving a surprising speech tomorrow on the 2016 race. he's going to set an attack on trump, his super tuesday victories. super tuesday is over, gloria. so why? what's going on here? >> i think the republican establishment has nobody to speak for them. there is no leader in the republican party. mitt romney is the de facto leader of the republican party and having run for the presidency, he lost, ran twice actually, but i think he's going to come out and say this is what the republican party stands for. you saw that after the whole brouhaha with jake tapper over not denouncing duke, mitt romney
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came out and tweeted that it was disgusting, right, about trump. so we have no surprise here about how mitt romney feels about donald trump. he's trying to say this is what republicans have worked for, this is what we stand for and i think he feels like he can't let this moment go without speaking. >> but why -- he is the front-runner. why not support your front-runner? could this backfire on mitt romney and the party? >> to me this could drive more people to donald trump. >> i think it could back fire in a big way. i think mitt romney is doing the right thing on a matter of principle with you people voting for donald trump are not going to listen to mitt romney.
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putting out somebody who represents a very staid wing of the republican party. i understand why mitt romney wants to did it. >> there's a feeling you need to get out there in the public square and state very clearly here's what our party is about, here are our values and principles. i do not think this is going to dissuade a single person who is voting for donald trump. >> you have an insurrection being led in the republican party by the establishment against their base, their own base, who have turned out to vote in record numbers. the world is upside down. is this is this an awakening for the party establishment who didn't believe -- the so-called autopsy or whatever it was, the postmortem. was this, wait a minute, maybe our party is a little too far in one direction?
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>> the autopsy turns out to have nothing it do with the matter right now. all the thing they thought were wrong that needed to be fixed have nothing to do with what's happening now. >> it's their voters. this is a party leadership that has been astonishingly in a way out of touch with where their voters are. >> you're getting at the core of my question. >> donald trump has really struck a cord with these voters. you look at all the exit in every race we've seen, republican voters feel betrayed by the republican establishment, they're angry at government, they're angry at washington. they want someone who will tell them like it is and not lie to them, which they believe the establishment has done and they're turning out it vote for donald trump. >> in big, big, big numbers. >> which i think the most compelling thing that trump said last night. he said look, everyone is saying i'm a divider but we have record numbers of people coming into our primary.
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that's not happening on the democratic side. please explain to me what the problem is from his perspective. >> lets talk about massachusetts. it highlights the schism in the republican party. he won there last night but their very popular republican governor charlie baker said he wouldn't vote for trump yesterday, wouldn't support donald trump come november. other republican leaders are coming out saying the same thing. so why are the leaders at odd with the voters here? >> well, i think that there a few republican parties right now. i don't -- it wasn't so long ago we were talking about the republicans making sure donald trump did not run as an independent. well, now the republican party may run as an independent and donald trump looks to be the nominee. i think that what you're finding is that the voters out there after eight years of president obama, they feel like the establishment didn't do anything for them, their incomes haven't risen, they're upset.
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so this is the way to express it by going to the polls. now donald trump says a lot of other things that people like mitt romney object to. and that's what mitt romney's going to talk about. >> it interesting that mitt romney, you know, is sounding more like the left than -- >> but it isn't a simple right-left thing. donald trump, there are a lot of things about him that have mitt romney and a lot of people that support mitt romney freaked out. donald trump, for example, this has not gotten as much attention as it might, donald trump has given a lot of people reason to believe he's not going to be the kind of fervent friend of israel -- this is very important to a big consistency in the republican party. they're very freaked out by the notion of a presidency not being a as fervent a friend of israel.
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marco rubio, on the other hand, israel, israel, israel. >> do you remember at the beginning of all of this, everyone had to raise their right hand, sign this pledge, no third party. donald trump was hammered on this. now the weekly standard is saying there should be a third party candidate that would better represent the establishment of the gop. what is going on? could that actually happen here? >> if that could happen, what people are saying is we're willing to hand this election over to hillary clinton because we need to remake the party. if i'm a young republican and i'm 30 years old and i am looking down the road at the future of the republican party, maybe i'm thinking that's not such a bad idea. look at the republican party after goldwater. i'm not saying that donald trump would go down to defeat like goldwater did in '64 but parties need to go through this, don't you think? >> they really do believe donald trump would be trounced by hillary in a general election. that just doesn't mean they don't get the white house.
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it could have reverberations throughout congress in a big way. >> is that the reality it have, -- of it, though. >> we don't know. i think it's unpredictable because i think there is this rage, this frustration in the electorate. it's hard to see hillary clinton mollifying it -- >> democratic voters are happier than republican voters. if it's donald trump and hillary clinton, they will bring out the bases of each other's party because they are so polarizing. >> can i ask you about chris christie? i noticed this last night and i wasn't here yesterday because it was my birthday. you only turn 29 once. >> 25. >> or 25 once. but as i was watching the chris christie, i was just -- i couldn't take my eyes off of him. i'm like why is he standing there? everyone is talking about it trying to fill in the blanks.
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what is going through his mind? >> other than what have i done? >> i think chris christie was so offended, his pride was hurt and he made a rash decision. now he's living with the consequences of it. >> you know, this is a man who is not used to standing behind the star in the room. he is used to being the star in the room. >> think he regrets this? >> that's hard for me to say. if donald trump wins the presidency and chris christie is revived -- >> does he have any other options? there's tremendous backlash against him in his home state. hopefully he will get some sort of national job -- >> i think he could have done anything he wanted. >> he has private sector ops. >> we didn't get to talk about your column, hillary clinton's column, the grit that she's shown to get through this.
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to come through super tuesday like she did. >> we talked so much in the psych balance what a flawed candidate it she is and every word is true, but last night it was worth pausing and saying this woman, this person has survived and we owe her more than a moment of respect for tha that. >> you talk about how she has been flogged, but she is a survivor. and we owe her more than a moment of respect for that. >> don't you? >> yeah. >> she's a fighter. >> stay with us for our democratic national debate in flint, michigan. when we come back, the heated debate that everybody is still talking about. it happened during our super tuesday coverage, a head-to-head battle that exposed the racial divide in american politics. if you didn't see it, we're going to show you what us missed and that's next.
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incendiary charges you can make in politics, that your opponent is cozying up to the kkk. in spite of his failure to disavow david duke, donald trump insists he's condemned the klan numerous times but white supremacist supporters keep crawling out of the woodwork. the issue came to a head between
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van jones and jeffrey lord, a trump supporter, in an intense on-air battle during our super tuesday coverage. it was passionate, it was personal but in this heated election year, it's important to note it never turned disrespectful. let's watch the whole thing. the things that donald trump has done and not just in this race are horribly offensive. i want to talk. >> i didn't say anything yet. >> you breathed. you can go back to the central jogger case where he came out and had innocent black kids winding up in prison. >> innocent kids. >> hold on a second. we have a big problem at this point now. i agree with you about a lot. i think we have taken him not seriously, we have not respected his voters, but there is a dark underside here, and it's rights.
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he is whipping out and pressing buttons that are frightening to a lot of people. number one, when he is playing funny with the klan, that is not cool. i know this man when he gets passionate about trip. -- terrorism. i know how he talks about terrorism -- >> a leftist organization of terrorism. >> can you put whatever label you want to, i'm not going to play that game. >> it's history. >> no, you need to take a serious look at the fact that this man is playing fast and loose and footsie. when you talk about terrorism, he says, no, that's wrong. but when you talk about the klan, i don't know, i don't know. when you came on air, just like when reverend wright never lynched anybody, never killed anybody. >> he's an anti-semite. >> you guys play these word
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games and it's wrong to do in america. >> it's wrong to understand they're not leftists. >> what does it make? call them chip monks, you are you don't hide from that. >> they were the terrorist arm of the democratic party according to historians. for god sakes, read your history. this is how democrats do the deal. >> i don't care how they voted 50 years ago, i care about who they killed. >> i care about history. it counts. >> you have stood with donald trump and you have made a case for donald trump when nobody else wanted to and you earned respect from a lot of people. but when you do not acknowledge to he did not answer that question with a passion, he has answered with other terrorist organizations, you do yourself a disservice. you do -- >> he has made a point over and over and again is a media thing
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again. he's well on record over and over and over again on that. >> it's worse than that, sir. the whole thing with the central jogger kids, he got the entire city of new york whipped up on the idea these kids had done certainly wrong. then when it turned out they were innocent, we all make mistakes, he never apologized to those kids. that's a stain on him. the stuff he said about native americans being criminal organizations and mafia. he said -- so many racial things. >> van, what you're doing right here is you are dividing people by race. that's what liberals do. you are dividing people by race. >> the klan killed people by race. >> they did it to further the progressive agenda. hello! >> that is first of all so absurd. the democratic south of the old days is a racist party. you are correct, sir, they correct, sir. >> how do you think they got woodrow wilson elected? that. >> that is not the democratic party of the day.
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so what are you talking about that for? >> that is the democratic party of the day. it divides by race. >> i have a kid, 7 days old. seven years old. i used to -- i would say i don't want you watching the kardashians. i want you to watch the news to learn something. watching all this nonsense, he says, dad, you're a liar. he sees so much vitriol. the circus wing in your party, he can't even associate -- absorb civics. do not play and tell donald trump -- i know you. i trust you. tell donald trump he needs for my children's sake and the children's sake of americas if he wants to lead this country, he has to be as passionate about what is happening in my community as anybody else. >> we have to be passionate about making sure this country is color blind, that race has no place in american life or law. we have lost that totally because the democratic party
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insists on dividing people by race and it's wrong, it's morally wrong. >> van jones is here with me now. deeply personal for you. >> yeah, that was completely unplanned, don. we were supposed to be talking about the republican party, the direction of the republican party. i wasn't even going to say anything at all and somehow we wind up in this conversation that i don't think either of us expected to have live on the air. don, as you know sometimes people have conversations in the green room, you don't have them on set. we had that green room parking lot conversation right there on the set and it was -- and i think there were tears in the eyes of people, camera people and other people at the break. it was a cathartic moment for everybody there and then of course it trended world wide and turned into this whole bigger thing. in the intimacy of a bunch of people who worked together for so hard, so long during this
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primary season, a lot of emotions came out. >> i was transfixed by that, i stopped getting dressed last night and i watched this. i kept saying i wish i was there, i wish i was there. you know why i wish i was there? because we often have these conversations. sometimes you and i disagree on things and we have these heart-to-heart moments, which is what you should do. the thing that got me is the whole idea that this somehow has to do with ideology, with the right versus the democrats and the ku klux klan. i didn't understand what that has to do with anything. >> it's unfortunate because there's a small part of the right that has revisionist history that wants to say everything that ever happened was the left, hitler was a leftist, the klan is a leftist. >> wrong is wrong it, doesn't matter if it's left or right. >> exactly. >> there's horrible people on the right and horrible people on the left, why are we having this conversation?
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the question is right now the klan is not endorsing hillary clinton, the klan is not endorsing bernie sanders, it's endorsing donald trump. it's an opportunity for donald trump to stand up and do what reagan did. when the klan tried to endorse reagan, he took them to the wood shed. you're expecting that from trump and instead you get, i disavow. that to me is a very sad moment. if the klan is a leftist organization, they'd be endorsing bernie sanders. why are we having that conversation? the question is not just why is trump not pushing away hard from this group, if isis endorsed trump, trump would go crazy. if al qaeda endorsed trump, trump would go crazy. we have a terrorist organization in the united states and white supremacists since 9/11 have killed more americans than muslims have killed, than jihadists have killed. if you're going to be
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anti-terrorist leader which is what trump is supposed to be you should be hard on al qaeda and isis and the klan. >> jeffrey lord, he's a nice man. i don't understand he understands how offensive it is when dr. king said oh, he wanted a color blind society. that is not what doctor king wanted. dr. king wanted people to recognize people for their fuller lips, their dark erskine, whatever it is that you bring to society culturally. who wants to live in the color blind society? i see you as black. i see blond hair. i see blue eyes. i see people who are asian. i see yamakas. am i not supposed to see those things? i'm supposed to love my brother because of their differences, not to be blind to them. >> when people tell me i'm color
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blind, i say you might want to see a doctor about that. it doesn't make sense. you know what's happened, though, dr. king, 24 years old in montgomery, he was killed at 39. can you imagine? he was 33 years old on the steps of the washington memorial. he has a very complex theology, he wrote many, many books, many, many speeches and yet people only remember that one line, the content of my character. that is one note in a symphony. people take that one note out of the symphony, ignore the whole song and want to beat us with that one note. dr. king was sophisticated about the need for to us recognize our differences and embrace them deeply. not telling somebody you raising the issue is the issue. that's not fair. >> i've got to run.
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much more to come. van is going to be back with us. we invited jeffrey lord. he was not invited for this conversation. >> i tell you, what he is a good guy. we just don't agree on some stuff. >> coming up, a new cnn series, the shades of america. >> i still have a right to love my people, i love my heritage, without somebody calling me a racist and a bigot. and trying to marginalize me. n. that is cyber-crime and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. when it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. we're building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer.
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a lot of americans would like to believe that the ku klux klan is a thing of the past. they would like to believe that but as we have seen in this presidential campaign the reality is a lot different. hello to you. van is back with us. it's 2016. we're arguing about the kkk's role in the presidential election. would you have ever thought, imagined that? >> with the direction the
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republican party's been going for the last few years, absolutely. >> why do you say that? >> the republican party -- if the republican party is a gumbo, the rue of that is the republican party and the core of that is the ku klux klan. >> the leaders of the republican party are disavowing anything to do with the ku klux klan. are they saying that because they have to? or do you think that they believe that? couldn't you give them some credit for that, at least? >> because they're also thinking about starting a new party. i feel like they're saying i fell like they're saying there's nothing we can do other than reconvene somewhere else. >> is this a surprise to them? was this an epiphany that they
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realize somehow their party is out of control when it comes to these issues, addressing issues in the ku klux klan? and it sounds like to you you believe that wow, where did this come from? >> it came from the first four years of barack obama's presidency. president barack obama where they allowed donald trump to demand the president show his birth certificate and they just stood by and went maybe he's not born here. they allowed that to happen. how would we know? hawaii, we don't know that's a state. this is like the pimple coming home to roost. >> you have a new show on cnn called "the united shades of america." you went to visit the kkk and i'll play a couple of clips and then we'll talk. >> the klan have a purpose, to recruit qualified christians -- that are of good moral character standing. >> what means qualified? >> you must be white and be a christian. jews will never be in the klan. they're a dirty race.
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we are a right race. i'm proud of my race, i'm proud to be white. >> you proud to be a black man? >> i am proud to be black man. >> you're a black man. you married to a black woman? >> i'm married to a white woman. >> you know what the bible says about racial marriages, an abomination. >> on the list of sins, where's interracial marriage? is interracial marriage equal to that? >> it would be above because it's an abomination. >> when your comeback was like, no, i'm not married to a black woman, i'm married to a white woman. his comeback was -- you're worse than a murderer. what was that like? >> well, it was scary. as a black person, you always keep your eye open for the klan. so i felt like if we were going to do this show about me traveling around the country i wanted to go to the heart of the problem. the ku klux klan -- the founding of this country comes through white supremacy and the klan is
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the classic edge of the white supremacy. >> what does the republican party have to do when it comes to this issue? >> first of all, kamau made it pretty tough on the republican party. originally it was the party of lincoln. it started out as the anti-slavery party and parties -- the democratic party was the party of slavery. and at some point you do go through transformations. in fact, i think 20% of donald trump's supporters in south carolina actually think that abolishing slavery was a bad idea. 20% of donald trump's voters can't even agree on slavery. so i think paul ryan did something very, very good.
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paul ryan has been very impressive as speaker. he has spoken out about poverty and he also -- he rushed to the microphone to say he denounces this stuff. >> and donald trump says if he doesn't come aboard, he's going to work with him well but if he doesn't come along, there will be a high cost. >> you have the rise of a right wing authoritarian style leader like donald trump, very entertaining but also very threatening and ryan pushing back. >> i want to play this, now, because this is kamau speaking to another clansman. >> you consider yourself part of the new klan. >> i feel it's real people and it gets the biggest bang for its buck. and that is why i joined it. but my personal belief is that black people can't maintain law and order. >> would you come to my house? >> no.
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>> why not? >> i like being around my own kind. i have no desire. >> but that's not racist. >> what does he mean when he says that black people can't maintain law and order on their own? >> you know, it's -- he means that black people are not equal to white people and that is why when i saw van debating, jeffrey lord and jeffrey lord keeps trying to say we're all americans. but all of the statistics show that black people do not get the benefits of america the way white people do. women don't get the benefits of america the way men do. we can't take race out of this debate. so he's saying black people are less than white people and he's defining white as being the best thing. >> and it's also this idea that blacks are lawless and whites are lawful is very, very important. the fact that as soon as the enslavement was over african-americans went and built a wall street that was more powerful and equal to the white wall street and lawless white people burned it down and white
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lawlessness has crushed black progress, african-americans went and built some of the most impressive colleges around the united states. progress, dr. king came out of a black college, barbara jordan came out of a black college and though so-called lawless cannot organize themselves. african-americans were met with a wave of lawless white violence. if you take that out of the history, it's hard to know what's going on. it's an important conversation to continue to have. and not to say if you want to have it, you are the racist. no, by not having it, we allow racists to win. >> and we need to have this as much as we talk about terrorism or any other issue here. thank you very much, kamau, i'm looking forward to your show. coming up, donald trump's kkk stumble didn't slow his super tuesday victory march but is he playing with fire?
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van jones is back with me, amy holmes, anchor of the blaze tv. bob, to you first. this kkk controversy didn't stop donald trump from winning big on tuesday night. why do you think that is? >> well, it's a different electorate than he's going to face in the general election. and there are some big challenges, don. he is going to have to unite the party. and he has to attract votes from muslim americans and hispanics, as well as fans. this is not going to go away. he's got to continue to disavow it and kkk and david duke, which he has done before but certainly made a mistake in the jake tapper interview, as jeffrey lord said last night. this is tricky for him, but i think he will do that. >> do you think this is a deliberate strategy as some are saying? >> i'm not sure what donald trump was thinking but he was winning going into super
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tuesday. i don't think he needed an extra kind of push. and he wants to win the white house, i mean, that is clear and that controversy did not help him in the general election. >> that goes to away amy has said about him. she has not minced words. she said she believes donald trump is opportunistic and thoughtless but not a racist. explain. >> no, i don't think he's a racist. it did slow him down a bit with the late deciders. the tuesday night late deciders tended to go toward rubio, those who were very conservative, marco rubio won that constituency. so these remarks certainly didn't help trump with the gop voters. i don't think donald trump a racist. i don't think he thinks that much about it and i do think he is
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opportunistic and i do think he's willing to scapegoat anyone for his own advantage. >> i've asked donald trump a couple of times. people are saying why did you ask donald trump if he racist? where is that coming from? i know things people. let's listen to this. >> i asked you last time and some people were shocked, if you were racist. you knew why i was asking you that. are you racist? >> i am the least racist person that you have ever met. i am the least racist person. >> are you bigoted in any way? >> i don't think so. >> islamophobic? >> no. i am a person who happens to be very smart and i happen to have a street sense, and i know where things are going. i said take out osama bin laden in a book written in the year 2000, called "the america we deserve." i said take him out. he took out the world trade center. >> you've been very kind with me. right? you introduced me to your family. you have been very kind to me. it has to -- when people say
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you're racist or homophobic, or compare you to hitler. does that bother you? >> if that were true, it would bother me tremendously. of course, if you're a racist, you probably wouldn't care. but it's so false and honestly i don't hear it often. >> van, i knew this would come up. i knew this would happen. what's your reaction to that? >> well, listen, i think we can now have a sophisticated conversation. >> some people think about racism as a like switch, you're a racist, the worst person ever born or wholly innocent. you see a lot of white americans exerting a lot of psychological energy trying to preserve their racial innocence. there's a lot of resentment because they think they're guilty until proven innocent. and the fact is none of us are innocent.
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when you have groups of people living close together throughout the world all through history, there are stereotypes and all sorts of problems you have to work through. so when he says he is not racist -- >> i think we've said throughout the campaign that donald trump is an equal opportunity bully, vulgarian, when he talk about women, muslims or mexican immigrants coming into the country. when you're talking about donald trump, he doesn't care who he hurts and that makes him even more dangerous. >> are you saying what many are people are saying, especially coming from democrats, well, the only thing i can say about donald trump i don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. i don't believe he believes the things coming out of his mouth. he wants to win so he will say
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anything. at their worcore, they believe is more centrist. he wants to win so he'll say anything. at their core they believe he's more centrist, more democrat. >> don, i've heard this many, many times. i see it slightly differently than we were just talk about in that, first of all, if that's true, it's still to your point very dangerous. if he'll say anything to get elected, he'll do anything to get reelected. it doesn't help you to say right now he's attacking all these groups and once he's president, he'll have massive power, that doesn't make sense. but i think actually i do see the hints of a little bit more strategy than just being an equal opportunity. i think he does offend a lot of people. but i do see more of a pattern when it comes to the non-white consistency, the mexicans, the muslims, the chinese, et cetera. i think he's playing to a particular crowd. i think he's a racial opportunist but racial opportunists are very dangerous. >> so bob, donald trump has d disavowed that man since the
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event. >> we learned donald trump jr. gave an interview who was a white supremacist but he said he didn't know the guy was a white supremacist. and he didn't know he was quote, vetted. does this keep the story in the news longer? >> it certainly keeps it in the news longer and it's a bad headline for the trump campaign. but, as you mentioned, the son has said he did not know. that's where donald trump is going to have to pivot toward the general election. this is going to be very important. he has said that he could get 25% of the african-american vote and basically that would be the election right there. that is a big task for republican candidate in a presidential election year. and it remains to be seen if he he can get that type of vote. but that's why i think he's going to have to have some type of significant speech on race in america, whether it's dealing with the growing hispanic demographic and appealing to them. he has got to make amends.
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the republican primary is very raucous. he's going to have to make amends for the general. >> the night before last, i said i think donald trump would have to do a similar thing that candidate barack obama did during that election and give some sort of talk on race. explain his position on the kkk and other issues that people deem islamophobic. when it comes to do with mexicans or immigrants. when we come right back, sources say mitt romney will attack donald trump in a big speech tomorrow but is that any way to derail the trump train? kellogg's® frosted mini-wheats®... 8 layers of wheat... and one that's sweet. to satisfy the adult and kid - in all of us. ♪ nutritious wheat for the adult you've grown into and delicious sweet for the kid you'll never outgrow... feed your inner kidult with frosted mini-wheats®.
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>> donald trump's excesses dividing the party, some saying he is not even in the gop party. we talked about as president barack obama had to do with his speech on race, and reverend wright. you said that will never happen? >> not with someone who expresses himself through 140 characters misspelled and doesn't prepare for debates and he says he can go to -- into a crowd and shoot someone and get elected. >> why shouldn't he be held to the same standard as any other candidate? candidate obama had to do it.
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>> he got hammered. almost the same thing. >> the standard he needs to be held to or the only standard he cares about and some say should care about is the voter and what happens in the polling booth and right now the voters like the schtick and what he's selling. he's lost every single debate on stage and the momentum keeps going. >> who are the trump voters? >> well, the trump voters are basically the republican electorate that is sick of the establishment. you look at the republican party and over the years it's always the next guy up. and this time the republican voters say no, we're not doing this, we're for tnot listening washington, we're sick of washington. that is why they rejected jeb bush so quickly.
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there is no doubt about it, he has a teflon-type quality. a lot of things he said would have killed the careers of other politicians. trump thrives on controversy. he's not politically correct. the time is right for trump on the republican side. is it the right time for him in the general election? remains to be seen, don. >> van, why do you think that trump voters at least last night didn't seem to care if he had disavowed or not? maybe it was too new in the news cycle. maybe it just doesn't matter to them. >> i agree that some of them maybe it didn't matter and they made other choices. i think you have some pain in the country morning downwardly mobile variety voters. they feel we don't have a naacp to speak for us, we don't have a champion. we're out here, we're getting pummelled every day economically -- >> and donald trump is that champion. >> they look maybe he can be our champion. you have a lot of downwardly mobile white voters that are saying i'm tired of being guilty until proven guilty on race and -- i think they see in donald trump a champion for them and it they're
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-- if they're willing to forgive him a lot because they think that he is for them. >> but also donald trump also stands for if you really look at it the idea of generational wealth, which many people of color don't have. speaking of what some call white privilege, you don't have to -- you can walk into a room, can -- you can go anywhere and travel and feel safe. and as you said, van, he doesn't have to worry about it. >> if you look at the way the media has been treating donald, they've been treating him as a joke, a clown, someone not to take seriously, which in a certain sense makes him more sympathetic to some of those voters van is talking about. but i would also add that part of trump's appeal is making america great again. after the san bernardino massacre, he said, well, we have to put a pause on muslim americans coming to the united states. whatever you think about that,
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policy pronouncement if you want to call it that, it was popular among voters who think we are asleep at the switch and donald trump says he's going to put a stop to it. do you and i think that he will? i'm not sure but he says that is what he intends to do. >> all right, thank you, and coming up, is he in the lock for the nomination? with the microsoft cloud we don't have to build server rooms. we have instant scale. the microsoft cloud is helping us to re-build and re-interpret our business. this cloud helps transform business. this is the microsoft cloud.
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panic in the gop. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. donald trump has rewritten the rules for this campaign but is he threatening the very existence of the republican party? the elites fighting back with a last-ditch plan to derail the juggernaut. is it too little, too late? plus trump and the race card. is race the issue that will decide the whole campaign? let's begin with trump's seven victories, putting him one step closer to the republican nomination. >> joining me margaret hoover, republican consultant and kayleigh mcenany. hello, ladies, to you first. thrgaret, trump an existential


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