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unexpected -- >> at at once in a tough and aggressive way. you could see she thought she was taking punches not only from senator sanders because pretty good challenge from the panel as well. if you're going to run for public office, do not hire jorge ramos's daughter. some people out there are going he was prepared to ask her some tough questions. >> gloria? >> she did get some tough questions she seemed a little angry about it -- annoyed is really the word. at the end of the debate bernie sanders got hit with a video -- >> i want to acknowledge to our viewers what's going on. there's a lot of people who have been in the audience, who have gone up to the stage and they're yelling for bernie, some are yelling for hillary clinton. that's the noise you're hearing.
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we apologize for any conflict if you're hearing it, hard to hear. >> what a boisterous audience here tonight. i think so he got hit with this video in which he was praising castro and he didn't sort of respond really. hillary clinton shot right back at him and said, you know, these are not the values that i want to see in this country. so she had a very good response on that. what struck me overall, though, is the republican party that's talking about mass deportation and you have two democratic candidates up there tonight who said no deportation. no deportation of children or illegal immigrants who have not committed any crimes. >> no deportation of anybody who isn't a terrorist and wants to do harm from the united states. >> it's them taking something of a shot at president obama, who to many in the latino communities across the country have a nickname, which is
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deporter in chief. i thought sanders, this is sort of the first time he's come into a debate where he has really pulled off an upset. in michigan i thought he had a kind of swagger tonight, i thought. and i think he was smart to really try to target latino voters and latino young voters. he talked about youth unemployment. on that question what can you do to help hispanics right now? he was much more specific. i thought hillary clinton was a little more broad. the interviewer had to come back and say what would you did about hispanics and hillary clinton had to come back and say i just said about hispanics. >> he also used humor against her in talk about her wall street speeches in a way some of which he's used before about how great the speeches must have been, they must be so great, she
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must want to share them with the rest of us. but i think he kind of used it for this crowd more effectively than he had in the past. >> such a great speech, wouldn't you want us all to read it, they paid you personally for these spee speeches, now they're giving your super pac money, not saying you're being bought, you have to be under their influence. in the republican party, donald trump who most conservatives don't view as a republican or certainly not as a consistent longstanding republican, has a number of positions you asked him about in the interview on trade and other issues that are way outside republican orthodoxy. here have your a very credible candidate in bernie sanders who is still behind her, the delegate math is still in secretary clinton's favor. we just saw a individual i dovi
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praising fidel castro and daniel orte ortega, and i will raise taxes on the rich, i'll have single payor health care and free state and community college, a very liberal agenda that was just simply out of bounds eight or ten years ago in american politics. >> on the speech issue and wall street issue, which is very resonant with democratic voters in particular, she was saying look at my record, i intimidate wall street. and his response was, really, you intimidate wall street? why are they giving you $15 million? that's how much you intimidate wall street. he was eager to continue to attack her because he sees a little bit of momentum and you could just see --
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>> she thought she would be at this point in the race, still on the stage arguing with bernie sanders over these issues having just lost the state of michigan? >> i think this is all a surprise to her that she lost michigan, that he's still in this race, that he's able to raise so much money with so little effort online. and that's the thing that's going to extend this. i think it's a complete surprise to her. can you sort of see her trying to figure out and it's hillary 2.0 and hillary 3.0 adjusting to bernie sanders as he goes along. >> on the trust question which was asked directly and indirectly i think many times this evening, she said it was painful to hear that. and you can see how she is trying to figure out a way to answer that question of why so many democrats don't trust her. >> she also used a line which i think kind of first used in our democratic town hall, i can't remember which one it was where she says this doesn't come
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naturally for me, my husband's a natural politician. the town hall was the first time i know she'd ever used that line. she brought it back tonight, which to her supporters i think probably personalizes her and humanizes her. >> that may be the best way to answer that question because what is she supposed to say? i have a public record of decades in public service and you don't trust me and i don't feel like i've done anything to deserve it. so it's hurtful and i guess i'm just not very good at explain hog i aexplaining who i am. >> let's play that. >> i am not a natural politician in case you haven't noticed like my husband or president obama. so i have a view that i just have to do the best i can, get the results i can, make a difference in people as lives and hope that people see that i'm fighting for them and that i
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can improve conditions economically and other ways that will benefit them and their families. >> thank you. >> i spent a lot of my youth, i'll call it, years ago covering bill clinton, when hillary clinton was the first lady of arkansas until she became the first lady of the united states. number one, she was more relaxed around everybody in those days. all the investigations have hardened her. a good friend of mine said now she doesn't know the difference between a question and an attack. it might be an overstatement but she's more defensive that she used to be. bill clinton always had a way when you attacked him or gave him a tough question, he had this aw schawhucks, you're tryio attack me. she doesn't have those gifts. she has many strengths. she has a very long list of
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strengths and she's clearly intelligence but she doesn't have that advice ra advice raha visceral sense that her husband had. >> she's saying i'm a work horse, not a show horse. >> saying i'm not a natural politician i think is hillary clinton's way of saying i'm authentic, this is really who i am. it's just a different way of saying it. >> maria cardona is joining us, jeffrey lloyd, donna brazile as well.
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donna, your thoughts on what you heard on the stage? >> i think in the first 20 minutes, karen tumulty, a wonderful journalist, she posed a question i think a lot of americans want to know, is donald trump a racist? she went on to talk about the unamerican things he has said and how it's divisive and his tone. but she also pointed out that she was one of the first politicians to call him on his comments about mexicans and others. the reason why i think that's relevant is on the republican side you have a lot of turmoil right now. i think part of the reason is because donald trump hesitated on the second try or third try to denounce the ku klux klan or david duke. i thought hillary clinton handed herself very well. she had a lot of tough questions. >> let's play that moment for
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our viewers. >> secretary clinton, you've known donald trump for a long time. you've seen what kind of campaign he's running. secretary clinton, is donald trump a racist? >> you know, karen, i'm going to follow my friend senator sanders' model here. if i am so fortunate to be the democratic nominee, there will be a lot of time to talk about him. i was the first one to call him out. i called him out when he was calling mexicans rapists, when he was engaging in rhetoric that i found deeply offensive. i said basta! and i am pleased that others are also joining in making clear that his rhetoric, his demagoguery, his trafficking in prejudice and paranoia has no place in our political system, especially from somebody running
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for president who couldn't decide whether or not to disavow to ku klux klan and david duke. people can draw their own conclusions about him, but i will just end by saying this -- you don't make america great by getting rid of everything that made america great. >> it's interesting, donna, because i think later on bernie sanders actually used the word racism to describe some of donald trump's rhetoric. >> yes, he did. but again, i don't think the candidates tried to avoid a question that i think donald trump needs to be asked and i think he needs to answer. clearly many of us across america have made up our own minds in terms of what we believe is going on. it was an important question. i don't believe they said yes or no, they say draw your own conclusions.
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i'm sure that's what's happening on the republican side as well as the democratic side. >> van jones, who would have thought and i don't know that hillary clinton would have thought at the start of this race she would be on the stage still arguing next to bernie sanders, a resurgent bernie sanders in michigan. >> certainly not. i don't think he thought that tonight he would be standing there as a victor with the wind at his back in the way that he has. look, you got to look at both these two candidates. a lot of their strengths, their great strengths were on full display tonight. hillary clinton just at times displaying just a dazzling mastery of policy nuance. that clean energy question, no abortion questions, no enough climate change questions, both of those on the table. hillary clinton's response on the clean energy question, talking about resilience and how that could be a bipartisan issue
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and how she could use that, that was a tour de force. bernie sanders, no comparison between the policy nuance and sophistication on a key issue for democrats. at the same time, bernie sanders incredibly appealing. he was back to being the cuddly curmudgeon as owe pepposed to t cutting curmudgeon from the last debate. i think both of them had very strong nights. hillary clinton got punched and punched and punched and punched. yeah, she was annoyed. anybody would have been annoyed. i think she handed herself very well under that much pressure. the last thing i want to say about bernie sanders, one of the things about him that people love, he is an unapologetic leftist. he did not back down back in the 80s, there was a big chunk of the american left, very mad at reagan for his military
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adventures in latin america and who were opposed to the interventions. he did not back down from that. that makes him incredibly authentic. it also would be tough for him i believe in a general election. it was the first time you saw him have the opportunity to back away from those positions. he did not. it makes him authentic but it shows you the kind of trouble he would have in a general election. >> before we go continue on with the panel, let's just play his response to the question about cuba. >> in retrospect have you ever regretted the characterizations of daniel ortega or fidel castro that you made in 1985? >> the key issue here was whether the united states should go around overthrowing small latin american countries. i think that was a mistake in nicaragua and cuba. let's look at the facts here. cuba is an authoritarian, undemocratic country and i hope very much as soon as possible it
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becomes a democratic country. but on the other hand it would be wrong not to state that in cuba they have made some good advances in health care. they are sending doctors all over the world. they have made some progress in education. >> i just want to add one thing to the question you were asking senator sanders. i think in that same interview, he praised what he called the revolution of values in cuba and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves. i just couldn't disagree more. you know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, you imprison people, even kill people for expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech that, is not the kind of revolution of values that i ever want to see anywhere. >> maria cardona, clearly something which in a general
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election is something which will stand hillary clinton in much better stead than probably bernie sanders's response. >> i think that's right. before let's think about where we are today. we're in florida where florida's has panic electorate has a lot of people that are coming from south america. so this argument from bernie, i agree with van, you have to give him credit for being authentic and not backing down, but my twitter feed blew up from people who were fro here who come from those countries who have socialist and authoritarian regimes and the kind of language that bernie uses when he talks about this scares them. i don't think it will just hurt him in a general election but i think it could hurt him here in florida where a lot of our people don't have fond memories
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of those kind of governments at that they actually fled and came here it get away from. >> jeffrey lord, as a nondemocrat here, as a republican -- >> did you notice? >> also the deportation issue, it could not be a starker contrast having both candidates on the stage saying no more deportations from essentially criminal -- >> well, furst i'd like to thank secretary clinton for defending president reagan as policies in end being the cold war, which did of course include opposition to the kooizs in nicaragua, which was part of the entire policy and it worked. stunned as i am, apparently hillary clinton has a reaganite streak to her and i thank her for that. >> terms of deportations, to be
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perfectly canned it. we, as we although, to use one example of any number of examples, jameel shaw jr., an african-american, 17-year-old in los angeles, was shot to death by an illegal immigrant gangster, who shouldn't have been in the country in the first place. his parents are supporting donald trump. there is every reason in the world for them to be angry about the state of the illegal immigration situation in this country. so this is going to be an issue. donald trump -- >> go ahead, van. >> i think it's unfortunate. there is, i think, going to be an attempt on the part of trump assuming he is the general election candidate for the republican to try to pit people against each other.
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to grab an. family as a battering ram against the entire immigrant community. that kind of politician i think is unworthy of our country. yes, there are many, many tragedies but when you use the death of a child as a political weapon against a whole community, it unfortunate, it's wrong and i hope the african-american community will see this has what it is, something that's unacceptable and push back. >> go ahead. >>. >> i think a the shaw family is very upset. they're the ones that have taken the initiative here. >> van's point is -- >> i'm sorry, we have a slight echo. >> you can't smear the entire community. it's horrific what happened to that young man but you should not smir the entire community.
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when we have these contentious debates about immigration reform and border security. >> and you look at the huge contrast between what my friend jeffrey just brought up and the stunning moment tonight, anderson, when the question came from the woman whose husband was deported, the pom from that was a moment that i think underscores the huge differences of where the democrats are on this whole issue of documentation, deportation, if they haven't krined to tried to. >> i mean, not to -- not to
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relitigate van in my conversation, burr i must say, i mean, this is what happens with democrats on race. i'm still waiting for mrs. clinton or any. >> i'm sure there's a larger issue than going back to get that litigated. >> let's take a break here. we're going to take a short break. we're going to check in with the spin room. we're going to fact check the candidates and more as our debate coverage continues from miami. hello! thank you. yes, thank you. now that we represent the bud light party, we need a little security. so we found the toughest person that we know. blam! ronda rousey you were all expecting a man, weren't you?
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we're coming to you from the site of tonight's univision debate. tonight secretary clinton pushed back. listen. >> senator sanders has talked about free college for everybody, he talked about universal single payor health
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care for everybody, and yet when you ask questions, as many of us have and more importantly independent experts, it's very hard to get answers. and a lot of the answers say that, you know, this is going to be much more expensive than anything senator sanders is admitting to. this is going to increase the federal government dramatically. my dad used to say if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. and we deserve answers but how these programs would actually work and how they would be paid for. >> i want you all to think what secretary clinton is saying is that the united states should continue to be the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all of our people. i think if the rest of the world can do it, we can. >> a key moment in the debate. now comes to the post debate
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maneuver. what are hearing and seeing from secretary clinton's people tonight? >> reporter: the word they've come out into the spin room with is they think she really landed punches when it came to making points about immigration reform and revealing that senator sanders' positions are different than they had in the past. in milwaukee there was a missed opportunity by hillary clinton to highlight bernie sanders's support with labor in voting against comprehensive immigration reform under the bush administration, a bill authored by senator ted kennedy, a liberal lion of the senate. tonight hillary clinton did not miss that opportunity, really trying to show that bernie sanders was in opposition. the other thing they think may stick with this was that video
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that you saw where he was talking in positive terms about the castro regimes in 1985. in 19 889, he wepnt to cuba. he didn't denounce that video and they're highlighting that in florida. the michigan primary dealt her a stinging loss last night. they admit they are pushing through at this point looking to next tuesday. they're looking to florida but they think she has an advantage here. they're looking to ohio now. you saw hillary clinton double do you on that auto bailout argument that bernie sanders did not support the auto bailout argument. some people thought that may have back fired. it's an interesting point as she pushes to next tuesday. >> sanders is saying it was a
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low blow for hillary clinton to bring up in the debate. let's go to jeff zeleny from the sanders camp. >> reporter: the sanders camp came into this debate on a wave of momentum and they believe he carried it through tonight. you can see the spin room behind me, a lot of people are spinning. the gist is they believe senator sanders had a good opportunity, a good moment to present his case yet again but the reality check of the next stage of the contest is all five states coming up are not created equally. i just talked to one of the seniors strategists for are the sanders campaign. he said florida is a closed primary. senator sanders is going to start advertising tomorrow. he's going to compete to try and win some delegates but they do not that florida is a good terrain for them. but they do believe illinois,
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ohio, missouri are good places for them to compete over the weekend and next week. but at the debate tonight, they blow the auto industry bailout, they were surprised that secretary clinton continued that line of argumen, they pointed to an editorial today in the "new york times" saying it was a dishonest point of attack. watch for paid advertising on that. they believed it was highlighting questions of honesty about the clinton campaign here. overall the sanders campaign is happy they had this debate because it gave their candidate more more chance and one more bit of oxygen here. this is the last scheduled debate. >> hey, jeff, we're very used to now seeing republican candidates
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in the spin room after these debates, they all make a bee line there trying to get as much recovery as they can. does secretary clinton or senator sanders go to these rooms after the desbhabates? >> in a word, no, they don't. hillary clinton has not gone to the spin room. bernie sanders went in to one and it created such a mob scene, that's the last one he's ever done. we do not see it like we see with donald trump. that's one of the many differences between the republican side and the democratic side of this campaign, anderson. >> i didn't want our viewers to think we were avoiding talking
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to them. >> what did you think of the debate? >> i thought it was a really stunning debate. part of what they found was among latinos who were democratic primary voters, clinton seems to lead sanders 2-1. you saw him leading to messaging that is meant to kater to younger voters, talking about free public tuition for college, talking about a variety of issues, including health care. i thought that was not surprising but interesting. >> i thought it was pretty pretty remarkable when jorge ramos got both candidates to promise not to deport immigrants and children who didn't have a criminal background. >> which is remarkable given the
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administration's current policy. it's a huge break in sort of a democratic -- from within democratic poll ti democratic politics. >> also astounding when you consider who is leading the republican field. i did see some of the more conservative tweeters talking about perhaps tonight's debate was best for drumm. -- donald trump. >> the question is moving into a general election, if it's hillary clinton or bernie sanders, how does that play against a democratic candidate? >> we will find out. trump is changing american politics. a, it motivates the republican base, it the issue that got dpt start started and i think the economic stuff has helped donald trump go. the democrats now believe, though, that the demographics favor them. this used to be a republican
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leaning state in presidential politics, all competitive but republican leaning. now people think in the presidential politics, it probably leans towards the democrats. mostly latinos here in florida, some african-americans and in other state, whether it's african-americans or latinos, democrats believe groving by the second helps them on these issues. president obama won on them twice. it doesn't mean it's locked in. >> donna brazile, van, how do you think that plays in a general election, that pledge not to deport? >> well, look, i do believe that that's a very important pledge given not just the demographics and the dynamics, but i also think it's hooum ann. i've seen and not just heard but seen families torn apart. it breaks my heart. anderson, you know many of the people who came down after had
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your had your, some of them were undocumented but they broke their backs and necks and bones to try to help us rebuild. many of their families got torn apart. i think it's the right thing to do and it's in alignment with what the democrats believe is comprehensive immigration reform. i support it. i do believe that nevada, colorado, florida, north krar lien a and some of the other swing by standing on solid moral ground as it treelts this issue. >> let me play the exchange where secretary clinton was asked about how her policies are any different in terms of building a wall that she had voted for border fencing when she pointed out bernie sanders had as well. let's play that. >> but the question is what is the difference between the wall this you voted for and donald
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trump's wall? >> it's a big difference. i mean, first of all, as i understand him, he's talking about a very tall wall, right? a beautiful tall wall, the most beautiful tall wall, better than the great wall of china that would run the entire border, that he would somehow magically get the mexican government to pay for and, you know, it's just fantasy. and, in fact, if he cared to know anything about what members of congress like the senator and i have done, where it was necessary we did support some fencing. where it was necessary, we did add border patrol agents. we have done what by any fair estimate would have to conclude a good job securing the border so let's get about the business
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of comprehensive immigration reform. >> van, i can see a campaign commercial already being made up by republicans where secretary saying that's just fantasy. >> listen, this is the biggest divide that you can have in politics. right now you have republicans saying deport 100% and democrats saying deport 0%. what you're seeing is the impact on the democratic party of its young base across the board. the dreamers have pushed this issue to the point where it is now orthodoxy within the democratic party not to split up families. that wasn't true just a few years ago. black lives matter have pushed the issue of criminal justice, the occupy wall street kids have pushed the income of income inequality. the young base of this party is having a huge impact. if i were a republican, if i
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were a conservative, watch being the debate in flint in stark relief, watching the debate tonight, would you have to conclude that there's a massive split in this country in terms of what's going on with the republicans versus what's going on with the democrats. >> go ahead, maria. >> in terms you ask what is the difference between the wall that secretary clinton and the wall that donald trump talks about. there's a huge symbolism here, and no one, i think, that really understands what trump was talking about is ever going to confuse the wall that he wants to build with the sensible border alignment that secretary clinton and frankly a lot of the democrats voted for because that is just sensible border enforcement. so latinos when trump talks
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about this wall, he's not just talking about a big beautiful physical wall that is going to be and he's saying if you're here without documents, we want you out. it's very important to latinos, trump or any other republican who might come out as the nominee is going to have a very tough time getting in to -- >> that is of course not what he's saying. >> hold on, van. the question is home voters here have already made up their minds. do you think any minds were changed tonight? >> it hard to say. you'll have to ask the.
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>> it's a tough within for him to answer because he voted against it. that's just the way it is. >> but the speed of the transforation is striking. i asked secretary clinton in that 2008 debate was barack obama standing next her about her support for the ramos? and she acknowledged that she voted for it th and who he tried to explain it tonight. she said don't give undocumented driver's license.
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the speed in the transformation in this party is striking. you look at the demographics and they have moved. >> i think part of it is a demographic shift but i also think part of it is the realization on the part of democrats and n congress was their original strategy was and when they realized republicans weren't willing to come to the table and meet them halfway, they abandoned us. we'll separate fact from effect shun in terms of what the right-hand said on the debate stage. did ha
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in a debate, candidates throw out facts and figures. tom joins us now with a reality check. >> one of the questions that many republicans want to ask about is hillary clinton having e-mails, classified e-mails on
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this private e-mail servers at home. she says they were not classified at the time. >> some other part of the government, we're not sure who, has decided now that some of the e-mails should be classified. they just said the same thing to colin powell. >> the state department has gone over this practice, looked at colin powell's account but he only used his account occasionally. she more than 2,000, include morgue than 20 at the top level of top secret.
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bernie sanders went after her saying she flip flopped. listen. >> secretary clinton prevailed upon the governor of new york, eliot spitzer, who wanted to do the right thing and provide driver's license to those who were undocumented. she said don't do it and new york still does not do it. >> he says she's a flip flopper. absolutely on this issue, she did wafle, a good bit in trench. ultimate hi she did come down on the side of saying, no, there should not be licenses who came into this country illegally. she did lean on the former government of new york and to this day you cannot get a license if you're one of those folks in this access. and he's with gone after her numerous time.
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>> i went to wall street before the great recession and basically called them out, said that their behavior was putting our economy at risk, called for a moratorium on foreclosures. >> so she says she's not beholden to wall street for its financial support of her campaign. we can't exactly say what's going to happen in the future, nobody knows that, but we do know in 2007 she did warm of the subprime danger to the economy and she did call for a moratorium onned and frise if y -- and freeze. >> tom, thanks very much. let talk about where the race goes from here. this continues.
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>> it goes to some pretty big contests because of the demographicsi demographicsins. >> the next step hai o'and illinois. she's from illinois. if he can win one or both of those, say michigan, ohio, illinois, that makes a huge statement about economics. that's why his opening statements, he came right out of the box. a are and so bernie sanders can
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make advances and doesn't lose an entire state, like what happened with republicans in florida and ohio. so ohio is their prime target of opportunity, they believe. >> and i think you got to look for what those younger minorities do. he's making inroads in michigan, he's done well with latinos in texas. did pretty well in nevada, too. i think here he was trying to do that same thing, connect with young latinos, like in ohio. . american folks there are season. >> and van jones, until michigan, there's no doubt hillary clinton was looking forward to turning toward a general election or looking forward to turning towards republicans. she cannot do that now. bernie sanders is running hard,
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runging strong a running strong and has deep pockets. >> and the rebellion in the party is real. over and over again people have to be reminded or shocked into realizing there is a full scale rebellion in both parties. there was a knock on bernie sanders that he could not expand into the black vote. he did that in mitch began. there's no telling what. >> the great thing about where she he is right now here, would have to start winning 60/40 to catch up. this is a real enom none without both plit cab. >> no, not with what she was getting. >> and he's also getting better.
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she has, but he is getting better. >> this crowd tonight, they seemed to be bernie sanders. and what it seemed like won more over. >> and also at a certain point you have to ask what do th does for the democratic. i mean, tonight on immigration, it was very cheer that neither of these candidates has clen hands. they'll get hillary clinton didn't once to give drive those are two popular depressions, you more you open up holes for open or hillary clinton.
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look at what you're talking about now, just a few years ago, you were on a different side of this. >> and the more time goes on and the more tengs rise, you do see it spills over to the campaigns and over to the supporters. at some point they're going to have to come -- >> van makes bernie sanders has a chance to change that if he has her or even if he's the nominee, especially with the young and, from.
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>> and you could see it in their eyes tonight. they're under each other's skin. and there's tension. you at another moment in the debate where bernie sanders has vacation. >> i think that one of the things that hillary clinton did tonight that probably doesn't sit well, trying to. from tomorrow night not far from here at the university of miami at 8:30 p.m. eastern, we'll be on at 8:00. jake tapper will be the moderator. up next, an encore presentation of tonight's debate. you can se, sometimes progressive isn't the lowest. not always the lowest! jamie. what are you doing? -i'm being your hype man. not right now. you said i was gonna be the hype man. no, we said we wouldn't do it. i'm sorry, we were talking about savings.
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>> we should be deporting criminals, not hard-working immigrant families. >> we have the affordable care act. let's make it work. >> 29 million people still have no health insurance. >> i want colleges to get their cost down. they are outrageously high. >> make every public college and university tuition free. >> we have to lead a coalition that will take back territory from isis.
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>> i will never send our sons and daughters to war under false pretense. [ speaking spanish ] >> taking into account the millions of voters in the country, univision news, together with "the washington post" -- >> here with us tonight is karen tumulty. specialized in national policy. >> welcome, karen. >> now we are going to welcome the protagonist of this debate. first, former secretary of state hillary rodham clinton.
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and senator bernie sanders. >> welcome to both of you. thank you for being here. >> but before we continue, we want to welcome sebastian de la cruz who is going to sing the national anthem. sebastian, welcome. good evening.
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they'll have 90 seconds to answer each question when their rival mentioned them in an answer they'll have 30 seconds to answer and another 30 seconds to answer questions, follow-up questions that we ask. >> translator: we will make our questions in english and they'll be translated into spanish for viewers. each one has one minute for your initial words. we begin with secretary clinton. >> i've been looking forward to this debate. i want to thank univision, "washington post" and facebook and miami-dade college, the largest college in north america for hosting us here this evening. tonight i am looking forward to the opportunity to discuss how we knock down the barriers that stand in the way of people getting ahead and staying ahead. starting with the economic ones. my focus is on more good paying jobs with rising incomes for families.
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and how we prevent corporations from taking jobs out of our country by imposing an exit tax, making them pay back any tax breaks they'd gotten. but we also need to be having a positive agenda for manufacturing, for small businesses and entrepreneurs. for more clean energy jobs. and i also look forward to discussing comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship that will be one of my priorities in my first 100 days as president. and i will also be talking about education, every child deserves a good teacher -- >> thank you, signature. >> so thank you for having us, and i look forward to the debate. >> thank you. senator sanders, your opening remarks. >> thank you all very much. i'm running for president of the united states because given the crises facing our country, it is just too late for establishment politics and establishment economics. together we're going to have to overturn this disastrous citizens united supreme court
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decision. billionaires and wall street should not be buying elections. we've got to end this rigged economy where people are working longer hours for low wages. almost all new income and wealth going to the top 1% and, of course, we need comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward citizenship. and here in miami -- here in miami as much as any city in america, we know that we have got to combat climate change, transform our energy system and leave this planet in a way that is healthy and habitable for our kids and grandchildren. >> thank you, senator. first question, secretary, you have been starting to sound like the nominee lately, but many voters are saying not so fast. where did you fail last night in michigan? >> well, look, i won one of the
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contests and lost another close one. i am continuing to work hard for every single vote across our country. i was pleased that i got 100,000 more votes last night than my opponent and more delegates. so this is a marathon, and it's a marathon that can only be carried out by the kind of inclusive campaign that i'm running. a campaign that reaches out to everybody. a campaign that offers real positive solutions to the problems that we face. a campaign that is based on how together we can make progress because i am a progressive who likes to get things done. so i'm excited about the upcoming contests, including right here in florida. and we'll continue to work as hard as i can to earn the vote of every single voter. >> what went wrong in michigan? what went wrong in michigan? what failed in michigan specifically? >> it was a very close race. we've had some of those. i've won some. i've lost some.
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but, you know, i was very pleased by the overall outcome last night. and now we're on to the states for next tuesday and i'm looking forward to campaigning hard in all of them. >> senator, aside from your astounding upset last night in michigan, you are still far behind secretary clinton in delegate count. she has 1,221 delegates, including superdelegates, and you have 571. what is your pathway to make up the deficit, and can you realistically catch up? >> when we began this campaign, i was 3% in the polls. i was probably 60 or 70 points behind the secretary. we have come a long way in ten months. we have won, including michigan last night, which some people considered one of the major political upsets in modern american history. we have won nine state primaries and caucuses. and i believe that our message of a need for people to stand up
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and tell corporate america and wall street that they cannot have it all is resonating across this country, and i think in the coming weeks and months, we are going to continue to do extremely well, win a number of these primaries and convince superdelegates that bernie sanders is the strongest candidate to defeat donald trump. >> secretary clinton, i want to disclose once again that my daughter paula works for your campaign. and now i have a question about your e-mails. your republican opponents say those e-mails have endangered our national security. when you were secretary of state you wrote 104 e-mails in your private server that the government now says contain classified information according to "the washington post" analysis. that goes against a memo that you personally sent to your employees in 2011 directing all of them to use official e-mail, precisely because of the concerns.
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so if seems you issued one set of rules for yourself and a different set of rules for the rest of the state department. so who specifically gave you permission to operate your e-mail system as you did? was it president barack obama? and would you drop out of the race if you get indicted? >> jorge, there's a lot of questions in there. i'm going to give the same answer i've been giving for many months. it wasn't the best choice. i made a mistake. it was not prohibitive. it was not in any way disallowed. and as i have said and has now has come out, my predecessors did the same thing. and many other people in the government. but here's the cut to the chase facts. i did not send or receive any e-mails marked classified at the time. what you are talking about is retroactive classification. and the reason that happens is when somebody asks or when you are asked to make information public, i asked all my e-mails
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to be made public. then all the rest of the government gets to weigh in. and some other parts of the government were not exactly sure who, has concluded that some of the e-mails should be now retroactively classified. they've just said the same thing to former secretary colin powell. they have said we're going to retroactively classify e-mails you sent personally. now i think he was right when he said this is an absurdity. and i think that what we have got here is a case of overclassification. >> if we -- >> i am not concerned about it. i am not worried about it, and no democrat or american should be either. >> the questions were -- secretary clinton -- the questions were who gave you permission to operate? was it president obama? >> there was no permission to be asked. it had been done by my predecessors. it was permitted. >> if you get indicted, are you going to drop out? >> oh, that's not going to happen. i'm not even answering that question.
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>> senator sanders, you have gone from saying the following, the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails to claiming that it is a very serious issue. which is it? >> there is a process under way, and that process will take its course. today in america, the middle class is disappearing. we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality, climate change threatens the whole planet. 47 million people live in poverty. i'm going to focus on the issues facing the working families of this country. >> secretary clinton, you have known donald trump a long time. you have seen what kind of campaign he's running. secretary clinton, is donald trump a racist?
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>> karen, i'm going to follow my friend senator sander' model here. if i'm so fortunate enough to be the democratic nominee, there will be a lot of time to talk about him. i was the first one to call him out. i called him out when he was calling mexicans rapists, when he was engaging in rhetoric that i found deeply offensive. i said basta, and i am pleased that others -- others are also joining in making clear that his rhetoric, his demagoguery, his trafficking in prejudice and paranoia has no place in our political system. especially from somebody running for president who couldn't decide whether or not to disavow the ku klux klan and david duke. so people can draw their own conclusions about him.
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but i will just end by saying this. you don't make america great by getting rid of everything that made america great. >> secretary clinton -- secretary clinton, my question was about his character. and that is one of the primary things that americans think about when they choose their next president. how would you describe the character of a person who has said the sorts of things he has about mexican immigrants, about women, and who would ban people from enter, this country based on their religion? >> i think it's un-american. i think what he has promoted is not at all in keeping with american values, karen. and i am going to take every opportunity to criticize him, to raise those issues. i'm not going to engage in the kind of language that he uses.
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i think we can make the case against him, if he is the nominee, by pointing out what he has said, what he claims to believe in. the values he's promoting, and i think that's a better way for the american people to draw their conclusions. >> senator sanders, do you think it's fair to call donald trump a racist? >> this is what i think. i think that the american people are never going to elect a president who insults mexicans, who insults muslims, who insults women, who insults african-americans and let us not forget that several years ago, trump was in the middle of the so-called birther movement trying to delegitimize the president of the united states of america. you know, i find it very interesting, karen, my dad was born in poland.
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i know a little bit about the immigrant experience. nobody has ever asked me for my birth certificate. maybe it has something to do with the color of my skin. >> so what does that tell you about his character? >> and i am very pleased -- i am very pleased, that i think in the last national poll that i saw, we were running 18 points ahead of donald trump. >> on facebook, people are talking about immigration. and this map shows where in the country they are talking about it the most. >> so, secretary, i have a question for you. in 2003 you said in a radio show that you were adamantly against illegal immigrants and that people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. you your new immigration plan is you'd push for legislation that
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would include a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. so are you flip-flopping on this issue or are you pandering to latinos, what some would call hispandering? >> in 2003, i sponsored the dreamer act. i sponsored it in every congress after that. i have been consistent and committed to comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship. i think our best chance was in 2007 when ted kennedy led the charge on comprehensive immigration reform. we had republican support. we had a president willing to sign it. i voted for that bill. senator sanders voted against it. just think, imagine where we would be today if we had achieved comprehensive immigration reform nine years ago. imagine how much more secure families would be in our country no longer fearing the deportation of a loved one, no longer fearing that they would
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be found out. so i am staunchly in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, and have been so over the course of my public career. >> senator sanders, in 2007, you voted against immigration reform. you now say it was because the bill had guest worker provisions which seemed semi slavery. back then, this is what you said to cnn's lou dobbs. let's listen. >> poverty is increasing. if wages are going down, i don't know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than american workers and drive wages down even lower than they are right now. >> so senator, were you concerned with working conditions for guest workers or really because you think immigrants drive down wages and take jobs from americans? >> you have guest worker programs that have been described by the southern
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poverty law center, one of the important institutions in this country who studies these issues. guest worker programs akin to slavery. where people came in. they were cheated. they were abused. they were humiliated. and if they stood up for their rights, they would be thrown out of the country. of course that type of effort leads to a race to the bottom for all of our people. i work very hard on that issue. of course, i supported the 2013 immigration reform bill. and what i believe right now is not only that we need comprehensive immigration reform. if the congress does not do its job, as president of the united states, i will use the executive powers of that office to do what has to be done to do what president obama did and expand on that. >> but if you are saying that you -- if you are saying that you would expand on the
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executive actions, how do you know they'll not end up in a legal battle like obama's executive actions? >> i should also say with regard to the 2007 immigration bill, as you may know, lulac, the major hispanic organization in this country, also opposed that bill as did many other latino organizations. but to your point, we have to do the best we can. i applaud president obama for his efforts in dapa and daca and we've got to expand those efforts. >> if i could respond, i think it's very hard to make the case that ted kennedy, barack obama, me, loraza, united farm workers, delores huerta, leaders of the community would have promoted a bill that promoted modern slavery. that was one of the many excuses used not to vote for the 2007 bill. i'll go back to what i said.
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if we had been able to get that passed we would be so much further along. i'm committed to defending dapa and daca and committed to going even further to get more people deferred action to go as far as i can under the law, and i am committed to introducing comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship in the first 100 days of my presidency. >> secretary sanders, senator, would you like to respond? >> when i talk about efforts to assist immigrants, secretary clinton prevailed upon the governor of new york, eliot spitzer, who wanted to do the right thing. and provide driver license to those who are undocumented. she said don't do it, and new york state still does not do it. in vermont, by the way, i worked with officials and undocumented people in vermont do have the
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ability to get driver's license. when we talked about immigration, the secretary will remember one of the great tragedies, human tragedies of recent years is children came from honduras where there's probably more violence than almost any place in this country, and they came into this country. and i said welcome those children into this country. secretary clinton said, send them back. that's a difference. >> let me respond again because the misrepresentation can't go unanswered here. first of all, that is something that is not fair about what i said. i did say we needed to be very concerned about little children coming to this country on their own, very often, many of them not making it, and when they got here, they needed, as i have argued for, legal counsel, due process, to make a decision. we need to end private
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detention, we need to end family detention. and in 2006 when senator sanders was running for the senate from vermont, he voted in the house with hard-line republicans for indefinite detention for undocumented immigrants. and then he sided with those republicans to stand with vigilantes known as minute men who were taking up outposts along the border to hunt down immigrants. so i think when you are running for the senate, you made it clear by your vote, senator, that you were going to stand with the republicans. when you got to the senate in 2007, one of the first things you did was vote against ted kennedy's immigration reform which he'd been working on for years before you ever arrived. >> last response. >> let me respond to that. >> go ahead. >> you know, ted kennedy was a
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very close friend of mine. and i served on the committee he chaired, health, education, labor committee. ted kennedy was kind enough to allow me to hold a hearing in 2008, i believe, in congress, dealing with the plight of undocumented tomato pickers in florida. and i went there on my own. wasn't an issue really for the state of vermont to expose the horrendous working conditions and the semi slavery, if you like, that those workers lived under. and the result of that hearing and the work that many, many people did was to significantly improve the wages and working conditions of those workers. >> senator, secretary, we're going to take a break and we'll continue talking about immigration when we come back. >> great. thank you. >> translator: so this is the moment of talking about deportations.
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you told me, no, you wouldn't be the next deporter in chief. however, you refused two times to say you would not deport children. this is what you said. >> can you promise that you won't deport immigrants who don't have a criminal record. >> i can promise that i will do everything possible to provide due process. >> will you deport children? >> let me say this. i would give every person but particularly children, due process to have their story told. and a lot of children will, of course, have very legitimate stories under our law to be able to stay. >> so secretary, you seem to be defending president obama's deportation policy. as you know he's deported more than 2.5 million immigrants. so if you really don't want to be the next deporter in chief, can you promise tonight that you won't deport children and that you won't deport immigrants who don't have a criminal record, and this time could i get a yes or no answer? >> yes, you can because the
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question you were asking me were about children seeking asylum. and we have laws. that was the most critical thing i said. under our laws. i would like to see those laws changed. i'd like see added to them a guaranteed counsel and other support for children. but if you are asking about everyone who is already here undocumented immigrants, the 11 million, 12 million who are living here, my priorities are to deport violent criminals, terrorists and anyone who threatens our safety. so i do not have the same policy as the current administration does. i think it's important that we move to our comprehensive immigration reform, but at the same time, stop the raids, stop the round-ups, stop the deporting of people who are living here doing their lives, doing their jobs and that's my priority. >> but again, yes or no. can you promise you won't deport children who are already here? >> i will not deport children.
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i would not deport children. i do not want to deport family members either, jorge. as i said, i want to prioritize who would be deported. violent criminals, people planning terrorist attacks, anybody who threatens us. that's a relatively small universe. >> so you are telling us tonight that if you become president you won't deport children who are already here? >> i will not. >> and that you won't deport immigrants who don't have a criminal record? >> that's what i'm telling you. now i don't -- because i'm not contradicting what i told you in the interview. asylum is a particular legal process. i'd like to see it changed. i'd like to see us give more support to people who come fleeing the terrible violence that they do. but under our law, we have a process we have to go through. >> so you will stop those deportations. >> i would stop -- >> the deportations for children and those who don't have a criminal record. >> of the undocumented people living in our country, i do not want to see them deported. i want to see them on a path to
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citizenship. that's is exactly what i will do. >> senator sanders, would you -- can you promise us tonight that you won't deport children? >> let me just say this. i don't think that the secretary fully answered your question, and i think the proof may be in the pudding. honduras in that region of the world may be the most violent region in our hemisphere. gang lords, vicious people torturing people, doing horrible things to families. children fled that part of the world to try -- try, try, try, maybe, to meet up with their family members in this country, taking a route that was horrific, trying to start a new life. secretary clinton did not support those children coming into this country. i did. now i happen to agree with president obama on many, many issues. i think he's done a great job as president of the united states.
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he is wrong on this issue of deportation. i disagree with him on that. so to answer your question, no, i will not deport children from the united states of america. >> can you promise not to deport immigrants who don't have a criminal record? >> i can make that promise. >> okay. >> this is why i go back to that 2007 vote because if we had been successful then, a lot of the issues we are still discussing today would be in the rear-view mirror. i want us to be able to achieve comprehensive immigration reform if i'm so fortunate enough to be president. and we do have to take a look at asylum laws. when i was secretary of state, i work to try to support many different approaches to ending the violence in central america. i was there meeting with leaders, security leaders and
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others. and i think the congress should support the president's request to fund programs that would protect people and change the culture of criminality and violence in central america. helping people be able to stay safely in their homes and countries. >> let me just answer -- i want to get back to this 2007 immigration bill. it's true. ted kennedy, a good friend of mine and i think of the secretary's, did work very hard on that bill. but does anyone really believe that if that bill was all so good as the secretary is touting that lulac and other major latino organizations, the largest latino organizations in this country said no to that bill. and i worked very hard in improving the guest worker provisions so that in 2013 a bill i strongly supported, people who were in the guest worker program in america would
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not be treated like slaves. >> let me just conclude by saying that united farm workers considered that bill, in their words, the last best hope for farm workers and immigrants. they have proven to be right in the succeeding years. i only hope that we can put together a coalition to pass comprehensive immigration reform in the next congress. and as i said earlier, in 2006, senator sanders supported indefinite detention for people facing deportation and stood with the minute men vigilantes in their ridiculous, absurd efforts to, quote, hunt down immigrants. so, look, i think the goal here is to elect a democratic senate, elect a democratic president and get to work immediately to get
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comprehensive immigration reform. >> did you support the minute men? did you support the minute men? >> of course not. there was a piece of legislation supported by dozens and dozens of members of the house which codified existing legislation. what the secretary is doing tonight, and has done very often, is take large pieces of legislation and take pieces out of it. no, i did not oppose the bailout or the support of the automobile industry. no, i do not support vigilantes, and that is a horrific statement and unfair statement to make. i will stand -- my career, political career fighting for workers, fighting for the poorest people in this country. madam secretary, i will match my record against yours any day of the week. >> well, let's do that. let's talk about that. >> secretary, you said this morning -- >> let's talk about the auto
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bailout because it's important for people to understand what happened. in december of 2008, we were both in the senate. there was a vote on a free-standing bill to rescue the auto industry. we both voted for it. it was the right vote. unfortunately, it did not succeed. the republicans marshaled the votes against it. a month later, in january, a new piece of legislation was offered that contained the money that would be used for the auto rescue. then president-elect obama, before he'd even been sworn in, sent word to all of us that he really hoped we would support it. he was still in the senate. i was still in the senate. i voted for it. it was a hard vote. i'll tell you. it was a hard vote. a lot of the votes you make are hard votes, but the fact is the money that rescued the auto
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industry was in that bill. >> secretary -- >> senator sanders voted against it. that's his perfect right to vote against it, but if everyone had voted -- >> okay, senator. >> -- we would not have rescued the auto industry. >> 20 more seconds and then we'll move to another. >> let me -- so that everybody knows the bill that secretary clinton is talking about, that is -- that was the bailout of the recklessness, irresponsibility and illegal behavior of wall street. it was the wall street bailout. and i find it interesting that when secretary clinton, who was the former senator of new york, of course, when she defended her vote she said it's going to help the big banks in new york, my constituents. then you go to detroit and suddenly this legislation helps the automobile workers. there was an article just --
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>> your time sup, senator. >> senator bayh and -- >> your time, senator. >> they said, no, this wasn't the automobile bailout. it was the bailout of wall street. >> we have to move on. next question, secretary clinton, you recently said, instead of building walls we need to tear down barriers. however, last november in new hampshire, you openly said that as senator you voted numerous times to build the wall with mexico. what's the difference between what you did, voting to build the wall, and what donald trump wants to do now? >> well, i think both senator sanders and i voted numerous times to enhance border security along our border. we increased the number of border security agents. we did vote for money to build a fence, a pedestrian fence in some place, a vehicle fence in other places. and the result is that we have
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the most secure border we've ever had. apprehensions coming across the border are the lowest they've been in 40 years. which just strengthens my argument that now it's time to do comprehensive immigration reform. the republicans, the opponents no longer have an argument. and certainly we hear a lot coming from the republican side that is absolutely out of touch with reality. we raised money through the congressional appropriations process. we enhanced the border security. that part of the work is done. everybody that i know has looked at it said, okay, we have a secure border. there's no need for this rhetoric and demagoguery that still is carried out on the republican side. you've run out of excuses. let's move to comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship, and i think that makes a very strong argument in favor of doing it. >> but the question is, what is the difference between the wall
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that you voted for and donald trump's wall? >> it's a big difference. first of all, as i understand him, he's talking about a very tall wall, right, a beautiful tall wall, the most beautiful tall wall, better than the great wall of china that would run the entire border, that he would somehow magically get the mexican government to pay for, and, you know, it's just fantasy. and in fact, if he cared to know anything about what members of congress like the senator and i have done, where it was necessary, we did support some fencing. where it was necessary, we did add border patrol agents. we have done what by any fair estimate would have to conclude is a good job, quote, securing the border. so let's get about the business of comprehensive immigration reform. >> senator --
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>> let me just -- the secretary and i mostly, i think, agree on this issue. look, in this country, immigration reform is a very hot debate. it's divided the country. but i would hope very much that as we have that debate, we do not, as donald trump and others have done, resort to racism and xenophobia and bigotry. this idea of suddenly one day or maybe a night rounding up 11 million people and taking them outside of this country is a vulgar, absurd idea that i would hope very few people in america support. >> your time is up, senator. thank you. now we have a question from the audience for both of you. >> translator: we have a question from the public.
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[ speaking spanish ] >> i want to go to lucia an immigrant from guatemala who is here with her five children and has not seen their father since she was deported three years ago. >> translator: i would like to ask -- me and my children -- hardworking men in the -- >> senator sanders, this is a very painful and personal issue for lucia and her family. she wants to know what you would do to stop deportations and to reunite families like hers. >> well, i absolutely support
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that. at the heart of my immigration policy, and i should say that "the new york times" editorial board called my immigration policy the most progressive and the strongest of any candidate running. but to answer your question, the essence of what we are trying to do is to unite families, not to divide families. the idea that a mother is living here and her children are on the other side of the border is wrong and immoral. a number of months ago, i talked to a young man who was serving in the united states military and while he was serving in the military, his wife was deported. that is beyond comprehension and policies that should not be allowed to exist. so, ma'am, i will do everything that i can to unite your family,
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your children deserve to be with their mother. >> thank you, senator sanders. thank you, senator sanders. >> translator: secretary clinton, you also said you want to stop deportations but what's your plan to reunite families and thousands of children with their parents? >> first of all, please know how brave i think you are coming here with your children to tell your story. this is an incredible act of courage that i'm not sure many people really understand. and i want you to know that in the work that i've done and the many families that i've met, i
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have heard similar stories like yours, where your husband is deported, your children's father is gone, you are doing your very best to support your children, but it is time to bring families together. and i don't think there's any doubt that we must do more to let stories like yours be heard more widely so that more americans know what the human cost of these policies are. and i will do everything i can to prevent other families from facing what you are facing and i will do everything i can to pass laws that would bring families back together. and i hope that your children are all either citizens born in this country or eligible for the programs that president obama has put into place, daca and dapa, because i will defend
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those and i will absolutely protect your children, yourself and try to bring your family back together. >> translator: secretary clinton, thank you. they are citizens, the children are u.s. citizens. >> thank you, enrique. a "washington post" poll found only 37% of americans consider you honest and trustworthy, secretary clinton. when you've been asked about this this the past, you've said this is the result of many, many years of republican attacks upon you. but americans have also had 25, more than that, years to get to know you for themselves. is there anything in your own actions and the decisions that you yourself had made that foster this kind of mistrust? >> well, first, karen, obviously it's painful for me to hear that. and i do take responsibility.
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when you're in public life, even if you believe that it's not an opinion that you think is fair or founded, you do have to take responsibility and i do. and i also have, you know, very much committed to the best of my ability my energies and efforts to helping people. that's something that i care deeply about, and i will continue to do that. to demonstrate by my past actions and my present levels of commitment and plans that people can count on me. that is certainly what happened to me in new york where people got to know me, they saw me in action and they did. look, i have said before and it won't surprise anybody to hear me say it, this is not easy for me. it's not easy to do what i think
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is right to help people, to even the odds, to hear a story like the woman's story we just heard and to know that i can make a difference and i want to in every way possible. i am not a natural politician, in case you haven't noticed, like my husband or president obama, so i have a view that i just have to do the best i can, get the results i can, make a difference in people's lives and hope that people see that i'm fighting for them and that i can improve conditions economically and other ways that will benefit them and their families. >> thank you. thank you. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, you have demanded that secretary clinton release the transcripts of her paid wall street speeches. why is this important? do you have reason to believe that she says one thing in private and another in public?
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>> well, what i have said is that when you get i believe it is $225,000 for giving a speech, and she gave several speeches to goldman sachs, one of the wall street financial institutions whose greed and illegal behavior helped destroy our economy a number of years ago, when you get paid $225,000, that means that that speech must have been an extraordinarily wonderful speech. and i would -- >> does that mean that she should have to disclose -- >> i would think that a speech so great that you got paid so much money, you would like to share it with the american people and i think she should. as the secretary said she will do it if other people do it. i will do it. i didn't give any speeches, there is no transcript.
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>> do you think she said one thing in the meetings and another in public? >> that is exactly why we need the transcripts. this i do know. there is a reason that wall street provided $15 million just in the last reporting period to the secretary's super pac. now, the secretary says it doesn't influence her. well, that's what every politician says who gets money from special interests. [ applause ] the question that the american people have to determine -- can you say wall street is greedy, they're fraudulent, but they're not dumb. why are they making those kind of large contributions? >> thank you, your time is up. >> well, let me respond, as i have numerous times in this campaign.
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i have a public record and can you go look it up. i went to wall street before the great recession and basically called them out, said that their behavior was putting our economy at risk, called for a moratorium on foreclosures. i went to the orlando area during the '08 campaign to make the same case, visiting with families who had been defrauded by mortgages, the subprime mortgages that put them and their homes at risk. >> thank you, secretary clinton. >> i called for those changes. i have been on the record and now i do have the toughest, most comprehensive plan to go after wall street and not just the big banks, all the other financial interests that pose a threat to our economy. and i have said no bank is too big to fail and no executive is too powerful to jail, and i will use the powers that have now been passed by the congress by president obama, who incidentally, took a lot of
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money from wall street, which didn't stop him from signing into law the toughest regulations on the financial industry since the great depression. [ applause ] >> look, clearly -- the secretary's words to wall street has really intimidated them, and that is why they have given her $15 million in campaign contributions. >> thank you. thank you. thank you, senator. >> now, what i believe is in fact that we have a corrupt campaign finance system. and it's not just wall street, it's the drug companies, who receive millions of dollars from the fossil fuel industry. we've got to overturn citizens united -- >> wait a minute. i just think it's worth pointing out that the leaders of the fossil fuel industry, the koch
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brothers, have just paid to put up an ad praising senator sanders. there are a lot of different powerful interests in washington. i've taken them on. i took on the drug companies, i took on the insurance companies. before there was something called obamacare, there was something called hillary care and i worked really hard to get comprehensive health care reform and they beat me. >> we're going to move on -- >> i have a long record of standing up to special interests and i will continue to do so. >> we're going to move on to the next question. [ audience boos ] >> you have 30 seconds. >> there is nobody in the united states congress who has taken on the koch brothers, who want to destroy social security, medicare, medicaid and virtually every federal program passed since the 1930s more that bernie
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sanders. and i am proud that the gentleman who is head of goldman sachs, now, he didn't give me $225,000 for speaking fees, he said i was dangerous and he's right. i am dangerous for wall street. [ cheers and applause ] >> we're going to move on to the next -- secretary. >> senator sanders, the koch brothers, as you said are sensible how they use their money. i agree with you. they stand for things that i find abhorrent that would be bad for our country, but they did just put up a video praising you for being the only democrat who stood with the republicans to try to eliminate the export/import bank, which has helped hundreds and hundreds of companies here in florida be able to export their goods and
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employ more floridians. so from my perspective, you sided with the koch brothers. >> the export/import bank is often called the bank of boeing, because boeing corporation gets 40% of the revenue. it is corporate welfare and, yes, i oppose corporate welfare. >> okay, next question. i want to continue with the issue of trust. secretary clinton, on the night of the attacks in benghazi, you are sent an e-mail to your daughter chelsea saying that al qaeda was responsible for the killing of the americans [ audience boos ] however some of the families claim you lied to them, the mother of the information officer. listen. >> hillary and obama and panetta and biden and susan rice all told me it was a video when they
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knew it was not the video. they said they would call me and let me know what the outcome was. >> secretary clinton, did you lie to them? >> i feel a great deal of sympathy for the families of the four brave americans that we lost at benghazi, and i certainly can't even imagine the grief that she has for losing her son, but she's wrong. she's absolutely wrong. i and everybody in the administration, all the people she named, the president, the vice president, susan rice, we were scrambling to get information that was changing literally by the hour. and when we had information, we made it public but then sometimes we had to go back and say we have new information that contradicts it. so i testified for 11 hours. anybody who watched that and
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listened to it knows that i answered every question that i was asked and when it was over the republicans had to admit they didn't learn anything. why? because there had already been one independent investigation, congressional investigations, mostly led by republicans who all reached the same conclusions, that there were lessons to learned. and this is not the first time we lost americans in a terrorist attack. we lost 3,000 people on 9/11. we lost americans serving in embassies in tanzania and kenya when my husband was president. we lost 250 americans when ronald reagan was president in beirut. at no other time were those tragedies politicized. instead people said let's learn the lesson and save lives. that's when i did.
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[ cheers and applause ] >> what the families are saying is that you told your daughter chelsea one thing and a different thing to them. >> jorge, that makes my point. at the time i e-mailed with my daughter, a terrorist group had taken credit for the attacks on our facility in benghazi. within 16, 18 hours, they rescinded taking credit. they did it all on social media. and the video did play a role. we have captured one of the lead terrorists and he admits it was both a terrorist attack and it was influenced by the video. this was fog of war. this was complicated. the most effective, comprehensive reports and studies demonstrate that.
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look, as i said in the beginning, i deeply regret that we lost four americans and i of course sympathize with members of the families who are still very much grieving and i wish that there could be an easy answer at the time but we learned a lot and the intelligence kept improving and we learned enough to say what we think happened at benghazi. >> you have 30 seconds, senator. >> well, i'm not going to comment on the benghazi tragedy. but i will say this -- a series of articles in the "new york times" talked about secretary clinton's role in urging the administration to go forward with regime change, getting rid of gadhafi in libya. gadhafi was a brutal dictator, no question. one of the differences between the secretary and i is i'm not quite so aggressive with regard to regime change.
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i voted against the war in iraq because i had a fear of what would happen the day after. secretary clinton talks about henry kissinger winning the praise of henry kissinger. i don't want henry kissinger's praise at all. >> we're taking a break. >> translator: we will deal with more topics in a moment. >> we remind you you can download and we'll come back with the democratic debate. you've finally earned enough reward miles on your airline credit card. now you just book a seat, right? not quite. sometimes those seats are out of reach, costing an outrageous number of miles.
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>> translator: we continued connected to univision for you to send a minute-to-minute feed first democratic debate to focus on spanish topics. we heard a lot about immigration and deportation. in your opinion who defended him or herself better and who presented an immigration proposals? >> the two candidates did a good job. what concerned me, we have not seen a plan in writing from secretary hillary clinton, we have seen a plan from bernie sanders. we have seen two different candidates as immigration is concerned and we see they're moving towards the community needs to not only immigration reform but the raids have to stop being families that we have seen that are suffering, they
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have to be reunited. we heard a very motional testimony of a mother that was brave enough to come here with her five children. how did you feel when you heard her story and do you think if the candidates had empathy with the story? >> i believe this was the saddest moment we had here at the debate, a mother with her children separated from her husband and those children suffering because they do not have their father. this is what we are seeing what the republicans are doing by not approving immigration reform but also president obama, we need not only words but plans as well, and we need as a community to all stand up and support women. now the democratic debate continues with jorge ramos and elena salinas. >> you call your opponent hillary clinton an establishment politician. you yourself are a career politician.
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why should voters prefer a career politician over an establishment politician. >> well, you got it look at what the career is about. and this a career that has stood up to every special interest in this country. i don't take money from wall street. i demand that we break up the large financial institutions. i don't take money from the pharmaceutical industry because i believe they're ripping off the american people and charging us the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. i don't take money from the fossil fuel industry because they are destroying -- they are destroying this planet through their emissions of carbon and creating the terrible climate change that we are seeing. so i think it is true that i have served in congress for many years. but if you check my record, it is a record of strength for the
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environment, for workers, for seniors, unlike the second i believe we should expand social security benefits. it is a record of achievement for veterans, working with republicans helping to craft the most significant veterans health care bill passed in many decades. so i think the point is look at the record and it's a record that i am proud of. [ applause ] >> secretary, you know, latinos according to the univision/"washington post" poll, the number one issues is jobs and the economy. latino employment rate is higher than the national average, their net worth has gone down 43% during the obama years and 63% of latinos make less than $15 an hour. last week you tweeted for the gop the economy is an after thought. well, many latinos feel they are
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an after thought. do you understand what the specific needs of latinos are to improve their living conditions? >> i certainly know what all americans need and that is more jobs with rising incomes. it's something that i have worked on for many years. it's why i've laid down the only really comprehensive plan about how to create more good jobs. we do have create more infrastructure spending. that will put many americans to work. it's a good job that gets you on the ladder to the middle class. we need to improve the conditions for manufacturing in our country and punish those companies that want to export jobs. we need them to be incentivized to create jobs right here in america. we also do have to combat climate change and no state has more at stake in that than florida, and the best way to do that is not only enforcing the
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laws we have but also the clean power plan that president obama has set forth and that i support and the paris agreement that i think was a huge step forward in the world, that senator sanders said was too weak, but i helped to lay the groundwork for that. the fastest segment of small businesses are minority and women-owned business. we need to help businesses get started. the congresswoman on the committee knows what we need to do to support in your businesses . that would help latinos as well as other americans. >> you talked in general but you haven't said specifically what you will do. >> everything i said will help
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latinos. jobs are number one. close behind is education. every child deservices a good education, regardless of the zip code they live in and following behind it is health care and how important it is to continue to build on the affordable care act and provide access to health care. and then there are a number of other issues, comprehensive immigration reform being at the top. >> secretary clinton, your time is up. >> let me answer that question but it's a huge question. huge, i know. one of the points i've been making and media does not seem to pick up on, it we have a real crisis with unemployment being close to 10% but youth unemployment. if you look at latino kids between 17 and 20 who graduated
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high school, 36% of them are unemployed or underemployed. >> time is up. >> wait a minute, can i have a little bit of time here, please. >> go ahead. >> african-american kids are unemployed or underemployed to the tune of 51%. that's why i co-sponsored legislation to put $5 billion into a jobs program to put our kids to work because i would rather invest in jobs than graduation. we have got it raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. the united states has got to join the rest of the industrialized world in guaranteeing health care to all people as a right. we need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and when we do that under my plan, we create 13
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million decent paying jobs. >> thank you, senator. >> we have a question on education. senator, i'll continue with you. you propose free college tuition. >> no, i do not propose free college tuition, i propose free tuition at public institutions. >> so under your plan -- >> this is the year 2016. 50 years ago a high school degree got you a good job in the economy. today in many respects, a college degree is the equivalent of a high school degree. we have got to go beyond first grade to 12th grade when we talk about public education. so i do believe we should make public colleges and universities tuition free, and i don't believe we should punish millions of young and not so young people with outrageous
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levels of student debt. >> do you think, for instance, donald trump's grandchildren or hillary clinton's grandchildren should they be able to go for free? >> absolutely. i don't think they will. donald trump's kids will go to public school, secretary clinton is talking about making community colleges free, they can go to those schools. all of our people, in my view, regardless of income should have a right to get a higher education. i want children in the third grade to know that if they study hard, no matter what the income of their families, my family didn't have any income, my parents didn't go to college, they didn't have good income. i want every kid to know if you do your school work, study hard, yes, you will be able to get a college education.
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>> we have a question. >> translator: we just heard about free tuition from senator sanders but right now there are millions of students who can't afford to pay their loans. >> translator: secretary clinton, she said she wants to go to grad school and get a phd. what are you going to do to help her go to grad school and pay off her debts? >> congratulations.
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we're going to refinance everyone's existing student debt. 40 million americans have student debt. right now i go around asking people at my events if they know what their interest rate is and the interest rates literally go from like 8% to 14%. it's outrageous that at a time when interest rates have been historically low people borrowing money to invest in their education are paying some of the highest interest rates around. and you can refinance your house to get a lower interest rate. can you refinance your car. corporations can refinance their debt. under my plan you will be able to also lower your debt, move into a program to pay it back as a percentage of your income and more than that, my plan for debt-free tuition at public colleges and universities will eventually eliminate any student
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debt. but for people who have it, i'm going to put a date certain that after a certain number of years, you no longer have to pay anything. the government has to quit making money off of lending money to young people to get their education. >> karen, let's go back to you. >> what secretary clinton said is absolutely right. i think i said it many months before she said it, but thanks for copying a very good idea. the question, though, i have been criticized a lot for thinking big. you know, that's for believing that we can do great things as a nation. one of the things we should not be doing obviously is punishing people for doing what we want them to do and that is to get an education. but here is the point. my program making public colleges and universities tuition free, allowing people will debt to refinance at the lowest possible interest rates,
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is a fairly expensive proposal, about $70 billion a year. i'm going to pay for it by imposing a tax on wall street speculation. we bailed out -- secretary clinton was one of those who voted to bail out wall street. now i think it's time for wall street to help the working families of this country. >> thank you very much. >> i'm going to respond to that because i think it's a very important issue. and by the way, everybody, who, quote, got money in the quote, bailout, that also included money for the auto rescue has paid it back. now that will not happen, we have dodd-frank and we will break up banks that pose a systemic threat to our economy. senator sanders has talked about free college for everybody, he's talked about universal single
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payor health care for everybody, and yet when you ask questions, as many of us have and more importantly independent experts, it's very hard to get answers. and a lot of the answers say that this is going to be much more expensive than anything senator sanders is admitting to. this is going to increase the federal government dramatically. and, you know, my dad used to say if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is and we deserve answers about how he's programs will actually work and how they would be paid for. >> i want you all to think what secretary clinton is saying is that the united states should continue to be the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all of our people. i think if the rest of the world can do it, we can. by the way, not only are we being ripped off by the drug companies, we are spending far, far more per capita on health care than any other major
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country on earth. you may not think the american people are prepared to stand up to the insurance companies or the drug companies. i think they are. and i think we can pass -- >> this is a very important point in this debate because i do believe in universal coverage. remember, i fought for it 25 years ago. i believe in it and i know that thanks to the affordable care act, we are now at 90% of universal coverage. i will build on the affordable care act. i will take it further. i will reduce the costs, but i just respectfully disagree between the republicans trying to repeal the first chance we've ever had to get to universal health care and senator sanders wanting to throw us into a contentious debate over single payor. i think the smart approach is
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build on and protect the affordable care act, make it work, reduce the cost. >> i'm on the committee. i know a little bit about this, i'm on the health, education, labor committee that helped write the affordable care act. it has done a number of good things. when secretary clinton says 90% of the people have insurance, yeah, not really. many of you may have insurance but you have outrageously high deductibles and co-payments. one out of five americans cannot afford the prescription drugs their doctors prescribe. elderly people are cutting their pills in half. i do believe that we should do what every other major country on earth does, and i think when the american people stand up and fight back, we can have medicare for all health care systems. >> i'm going to call time here because i want to move on to a
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subject that more than two dozen florida mayors have asked us to raise with you. they have asked us to share with you their concern over the effects of rising sea levels and climate change in their communities. just take a look at this map. you can see that no state has more at stake than florida does and no city has more at stake than miami, the city in which we are sitting, but many republicans argue that this is not a man-made problem. senator sanders, is it possible to move forward on this issue if you do not get a bipartisan consensus? and what would you do? >> first of all, karen, when you have republican candidates for president and in congress telling you that climate change is a hoax, which is donald trump and other candidates' position,
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what they are really saying is we don't have the guts to take on the fossil fuel industry. what candidates are saying is if we stand up to the fossil fuel industry and transform our energy system away from coal and oil and gas to energy efficiency and wind and solar and geo thermal and other sustainable technologies, do you know what happens to that republican who listens to the scientists? on that day that republican loses his campaign funding from the koch brothers and the fossil fuel industry. >> so you've just described the problem but how would you move forward given that this is the situation? >> the way i would move forward in every other area. and when we are doing in this campaign is fighting not only to become president, but i'm the only candidate who says no president, not bernie sanders, can do it all. you know what we need, karen? we need a political revolution in this country.
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and where millions of people stand up and tell the fossil fuel industry that their profits, their short-term profits are less significant than the long-term health of this planet. we will win. that is the way change always takes place. >> secretary clinton, can you do this without a bipartisan consensus? no major environmental legislation has ever passed without bipartisan votes. >> well, karen, first of all, i was proud to have a number of mayors from florida campaign for me in south carolina. i had a chance to talk to some of them about this issue. it is a really serious one and there isn't much time left to do several things that i will move quickly to do. you can see already what's happening in miami, particularly miami beach with tides rising. so we do have to invest in resilience and mitigation while we are trying to cut emissions
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and make up for the fact that this is clearly man made and man aggravated. there are certain things that the president has done through executive action that i will absolutely support. all the republicans say if they're elected they will heaven forbid repeal all of those executive actions. i will maintain and act on them. the clean power plant is something senator sanders said he will delay implementing, which makes absolutely no sense. we need to implement all of the president's executive actions and make a bring from clean coal to clean gas and energy. that's the way to keep the lights on while transitioning to a clean energy future. >> excuse me, excuse me. >> you asked me to speak, did you not? madam secretary --
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>> you don't have to did much more than look at rising insurance rates. most of the property will, at risk in the next 50 years. i think i can get a bipartisan consensus on resilience and implementing the president's order until we win back enough seats, take back the senate and get back to bipartisan -- >> may i have as much time as she just had, please. >> this is your debate. >> thank you. let's be clear. you're looking at the senator who introduced the most comprehensive climate change legislation in the history of the united states senate. now i hope that secretary clinton would join me if we are serious about climate change about imposing a tax on carbon on the fossil fuel industry and
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making massive investments in energy efficiency and sustainable energy. and by the way, while we are on the subject of energy, i hope you'll join me in ending fracking in the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. we need to move to another topic. [ cheers and applause ] >> secretary, senator elizabeth warren says personnel is policy, and she says that there is a revolving door between wall street and the highest levels of economic policy making and regulation in washington. three of the last four treasury secretaries appointed by democratic presidents had ties to citigroup. do you agree with elizabeth warren's criticism that both your husband's administration and president obama's have relied too heavily on advisers who represent the world view of the big banks?
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>> well, karen, i do agree that we have to end the revolving door. i strongly support a piece of legislation from senator tammy baldwin that would do just that. and i will be looking for people who will put the interests of consumers first, who will do more to try to make sure main street flourishes and i will very much reach out and ask for advice as to who should be appointed, including to senator warren and many of my other former colleagues in the senate. but i think it's important also to look at what we want to accomplish. you know, in the debates we've had, maybe this is the seventh or so, senator sanders is always criticizing the two recent democratic presidents, president clinton and president obama. and that's fine but i wish he would criticize and join me in criticizing george w. bush, who i think wrecked the economy and created the conditions for the great recession.
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you know, at the end of the 90s we had 23 million new jobs, incomes went up for everybody, we were talking earlier about what needs to be done for latinos and african-americans. well, we were doing it by the end of the 90s. median family income went up 17%, for minorities, it went up even more. along came the republicans, and senator had to rescue the economy. >> i gather secretary clinton hasn't listened to too many of my speeches or followed my work in the congress because very few people stood up to george w. bush, whether it was the war in iraq or any other of his policies. when we talked about the
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policies of the 1990s, i worked closely and supported president clinton and obviously i have worked closely in supporting president obama, who has taken our economy a very long way from where bush left us but when you go back to the 1990s, let's remember that's when wall street deregulation took place and disastrous trade policies took place. good things happened but some dangerous mistakes were made that laid the groundwork for some of the problems we're having with a disappearing middle class today. >> we're going to take a break. when we come back, we'll talk about latin america. don't leave. >> translator: of course you can follow us on facebook live. don't forget. is virtually paperless, which saves paper, which saves money. they have smart online tools, so you only pay for
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>> translator: we continue with the democratic debate. >> secretary clinton and senator sanders, it will be my welcome to miami question. president barack obama is going to cuba in two weeks. 40% of cuban americans oppose a new white house policy towards cuba. if you were president, would you meet with the dissidents in cuba? would you meet with fidel castro and would you consider raul castro a president or dictator? welcome to miami. >> first of all, i supported the president's moves. i helped with some of them. expanding travel opportunities, remittances. i told the president toward the end of my time that i hoped he would be able to move toward diplomatic relations and to make
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more of an impact by building up the relationship. and there are no better ambassadors for freedom, democracy and economic opportunity than cuban americans. so the more that we can have that kind of movement back and forth, the more likely we are to be able to move cuba toward greater freedom and greater respect for rights. i'm looking forward to following the president's trip. i do think meeting with dissidents is important. the cuban people deserve to have their human rates respected and upheld, move towards democracy where they pick their own leads are. i think both castros have to be considered authoritarian and dictatorial.
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i hope democracy will be deeply rooted in cuban soil and that the people of cuba will have every opportunity to fulfill their own dreams in their own country. that is my hope. >> senator sanders -- >> this is the conversation on facebook everybody is having about cuba. >> look, i understand that not everybody in florida or in the united states will agree with me, but i think we have got to end the embargo. i believe that we should move toward full and normalized political relations with cuba. i think the end of the day it will be a good thing for the cuban people. it will enable them, i think when they see people coming into their country from the united states, move in a more democratic direction, which is what i want to see. i'm sorry? >> let's continue with another question, senator, if you don't
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mind. >> sure. in 1985 you praised the sandinista government and said ortega was an impressive guy. this is what you said. let's listen. is there in 1961 they invaded cuba. everyone was totally convinced castro was the worst guy in the world. they forgot that he educated their kids, gave them health care and totally transformed their society. in south florida there are still open wounds among so many exiles regarding socialism and communism. what is the difference between the socialism that you profess and the socialism in nicaragua, cuba and -- >> let me answer that. that was saying that the united states was wrong to try to invade cuba. that the united states was wrong trying to support people to overthrow the nicaraguan government that, the united
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states was wrong to try to overthrow the democratically elected government of guatemala. throughout the history of our relationship with latin america we've operated under the so-called monroe doctrine, and that said the united states had the right do anything they wanted do in latin america. so i went to nicaragua and opposed the reagan administration's efforts to overthrow that government and i opposed kissinger. i think the united states should be working with governments around the world, not get involved in regime change. and all of these actions, by the way, in latin america, brought forth a lot of very strong
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anti-american sentiments. that's what that was about. >> senator, in retrospect, have you ever regretted the characterizations of daniel ortega and fidel castro you made in 1985? >> the key issue here was whether the united states should go around overthrowing small latin american countries. i think that was a mistake in nicaragua and cuba. cuba is an authoritarian undemocratic country and i hope very much as soon as possible it becomes a democratic country, but on the other hand, it would be wrong not to state in cuba they have made some good advances in health care. they are sending doctors all over the world. they have made some progress in education. i think by restoring pull
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diplomatic relations with cuba, it will result in significant improvements to the lives of cubans and it will help the united states and our business community invest. >> thank you, senator. your time is up. >> puerto rico is bankrupt. it owes more than $70 billion it cannot pay and we have a question from facebook. i would like to know if during the first 100 days of your presidency you will help puerto rico restructure its public debt and help its economy. the first 100 days, secretary. >> absolutely, although it happens before i am president if i am so fortunate to be. i have been calling for months that the congress must give authority to puerto rico to restructure its debts, just like it has enabled states and cities to restructure their debt.
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and it's a grave -- what we see in puerto rico now is a lot of suffering. we see schools being closed, we see health care being denied and we see a thousand puerto rican families a month moving to the united states, mostly to florida. puerto ricans are citizens of america. they deserve to be treated as citizens and to be given the opportunity to get back on their feet economically. and i just want to add one thing to the question you were asking senator sanders. i think in that same interview he praised what he called the revolution of values in cuba and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves. i just couldn't disagree more. you know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, imprison people or even kill people for
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expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech, that is not the kind of revolution of values that i ever want to see anywhere. [ cheers and applause ] >> as i said earlier, i don't believe it is the business of the united states government to be overthrowing small countries around the world. and, number two, when you get to puerto rico, there's an issue that we have not talked about. that little island is $73 billion in debt, and the government now is paying interest rates of up to 11%. and many of the bonds that they are paying off were purchased by vulture capitalists for 30 cents on the dollar. what i have said in talking to the leads are of puerto rico and people together.
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it's maybe some of these vulture capitalists who are going to lose a little money in this process. >> secretary clinton, there is a vacancy on the supreme court. the court is considering the most significant abortion restrictions in a generation. i would like to share with you a question that we got from facebook from joshua dansby, a law student in washington, d.c. who wants to know what specific forms of qualifications you would look for in a supreme court justice. >> well, i think this is one of the most important issues facing our country right now. i fully support president obama's intention under the constitution to nominate a successor to justice scalia. and i believe -- [ applause ]
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>> i believe no state probably understands this better than florida because let's remember three words -- bush versus gore, a court took away a presidency. now we've got the republican congress trying to take away the constitution and we should not tolerate that. and so from my perspective, it is imperative that we put enormous pressure on the republicans in the senate to do their constitutional duty. now, obviously you look for people who are not only qualified on paper but have a heart, have life experience, understand what these decisions mean in the lives of americans and understand the balance of power that their decisions can disrupt one way or the other. so clearly i would look for people who believe that roe v. wade is settled law and citizens united needs to be overturned as quickly as possible.
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>> translator: welcome back to the democratic debate sponsored by univision. we are asking the candidates to give their last words. >> we're coming to the end of this wonderful debate and it's time for your closing remarks. secretary clinton, you're first. >> thank you very much for a lively debate. i appreciate greatly all the questions, especially the questions in person from the people here and those coming at us from facebook. it just reinforces my strong commitment to do everything i can to break down all the barriers that stand in the way of people living up to their own potential and of our country doing the same. so i am going to take on those economic barriers. i have a plan to create jobs and raise incomes. i'm going to take on the education barriers that even leave too many children behind, even after completing schooling, i'm going to take on the health care barriers.
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i will unite our country. i will find common ground as i have as first lady, senator and secretary of state and i will stand my ground. i will be honored to have your support in the upcoming primaries on tuesday and hope to have the great honor of serving you as your president. [ cheers and applause ] senator sanders, your closing remarks. >> this has been a wonderful debate, but time being limited, some of the most important issues facing our country have not been asked. and that is is it acceptable in america the top 1/10 of 1% now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. is it acceptable while the average american works longer hours for lower wage, 50% of all
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new income is going to the top 1%. is it acceptable wall street millionaires are spending billions trying to buy elections? is that democracy or this that oligarchy. is it right that in the greatest country in the history of the world, so many of our young people can't afford to go to college or leave school deeply in death. in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, if we stand up, fight back we can do a lot better. that's why i'm running for president. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you.
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secretary and senator, we want to thank both of you for being here. we also want to thank our wonderful audience for being here. >> on behalf of "the washington post" and univision and facebook, we'd like to thank you again for joining us in this debate and also to remind people to get out and vote. >> translator: we want to use these last moments, it's very important to go out and vote. remember next tuesday, march 15th is elections in florida, illinois, missouri, north carolina, ohio, all these states and in all these states the hispanic vote is crucial. let's talk about the importance
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of hispanic votes, how in close races it is the hispanic vote that can choose the next president of the united states. the only way that this can happen is if we all go out and vote. so you know it perfectly who does not vote doesn't count. >> translator: nobody can reach the white house without hispanic vote. remember, don't let others decide for you. the power is in your hands. you have to participate, you have to vote. thank you for being with us this evening and thank you for trusting in univision. good evening again from miami dade college where hillary clinton and bernie sanders have just wrapped up another face-off tonight. some say sunday's cnn debate in flint really framed last night's shocker of a sanders upset in michigan. the question now, how will the event tonight shape their battle for florida, illinois and ohio,
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three very big primaries. expectations for him rising, pressure on her no doubt growing. if you're thinking this is turning to a whole new race, stay tuned and let's get started with some quick first impressions from our panel members, joining me here chief national correspondent john king. what did you hear tonight? >> she faced a series of very, very tough questions. can you be trusted? did you lie to the families of the benghazi victims? will you be indicted in will you get out of the race if you're indicted and who gave you permission to set up the private server, did you are say something in the wall street speechs you're not willing to say? >> all questions she has faced before many times and answered but all once on the stage unexpected --
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all fair questions. you could see she thought she was taking punches not only from senator sanders but a challenge from sanders as >> she did get some tough questions she seemed a little angry about it -- annoyed is really the word. at the end of the debate bernie sanders got hit with a video -- >> i want to acknowledge to our viewers what's going on. there's a lot of people who have been in the audience, who have gone up to the stage and they're yelling for bernie, some are yelling for hillary clinton. that's the noise you're hearing.


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