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all fair questions. you could see she thought she was taking punches not only from senator sanders but a challenge from sanders as >> she did get some tough questions she seemed a little angry about it -- annoyed is really the word. at the end of the debate bernie sanders got hit with a video -- >> i want to acknowledge to our viewers what's going on. there's a lot of people who have been in the audience, who have gone up to the stage and they're yelling for bernie, some are yelling for hillary clinton. that's the noise you're hearing. we apologize for any conflict if
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you're hearing it, hard to hear. go gloria. >> what a boisterous audience here tonight. i think so he got hit with this video in which he was praising castro and he didn't sort of respond really. hillary clinton shot right back at him and said, you know, these are not the values that i want to see in this country. so she had a very good response on that. what struck me overall, though, is the republican party that's talking about mass deportation and you have two democratic candidates up there tonight who said no deportation. no deportation of children or illegal immigrants who have not committed any crimes. >> no deportation of anybody who isn't a terrorist and wants to do harm to the united states or heent committed a crime. >> it's them taking something of a shot at president obama, who to many in the latino communities across the country
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have a nickname, which is deporter in chief. i thought sanders, this is sort of the first time he's come into a debate where he has really pulled off an upset. in michigan i thought he had a kind of swagger tonight, i thought. and i think he was smart to really try to target latino voters and latino young voters. he talked about youth unemployment. on that question what can you do to help hispanics right now? he was much more specific. i thought hillary clinton was a little more broad. the interviewer had to come back and say what would you do specifically about hispanics and hillary clinton had to come back and say i just said about hispanics. sanders ability was to break things down to the simplest terms to keep repeating his message helped him tonight. >> he also used humor against her in talk about her wall street speeches in a way some of which he's used before about how great the speeches must have been, they must be so great, she
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must want to share them with the rest of us. but i think he kind of used it for this crowd more effectively than he had in the past. >> the sarcastic humorous way saying it had to be such a great speech, wouldn't you want us all to read it, they paid you personally for these speeches, now they're giving your super pac money, not saying you're being bought, you have to be under their influence. they are not giving you all the this money for winks and nods and smichls they are giving it to you for something. consider the moment in politics. in the republican party, donald trump who most conservatives don't view as a republican or certainly not as a consistent longstanding republican, has a number of positions you asked him about in the interview on trade and other issues that are way outside republican orthodoxy. here have your a very credible candidate in bernie sanders who is still behind her, the delegate math is still in secretary clinton's favor. we just saw a video of him
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when he was the socialist mayor of burlington, vermont, praising fidel castro and daniel ortega, and i will raise taxes on the rich, i'll have single payor health care and free state and community college, a very liberal agenda that was just simply out of bounds eight or ten years ago in american politics. >> on the speech issue and wall street issue, which is very resonant with democratic voters in particular, she was saying look at my record, i intimidate wall street. and his response was, really, you intimidate wall street? why are they giving you $15 million? that's how much you intimidate wall street. he was eager to continue to attack her because he sees a little bit of momentum and you could just see --
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>> they don't like each other. >> she thought she would be at this point in the race, still on the stage arguing with bernie sanders over these issues having just lost the state of michigan? >> absolutely not. >> right, i mean, i think this is all a surprise to her that she lost michigan, that he's still in this race, that he's able to raise so much money with so little effort online. and that's the thing that's going to extend this. i think it's a complete surprise to her. you can sort of see her trying to figure out and it's hillary 2.0 and hillary 3.0 adjusting to bernie sanders as he goes along. >> on the trust question which was asked directly and indirectly i think many times this evening, she said it was painful to hear that. and you can see how she is trying to figure out a way to answer that question of why so many democrats don't trust her. >> she also used a line which i think she kind of first used in our
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democratic town hall, i can't remember which one it was where she says this doesn't come naturally for me, my husband's a natural politician. the town hall was the first time i know she'd ever used that line. she brought it back tonight, which to her supporters i think probably personalizes her and humanizes her. >> that may be the best way to answer that question because what is she supposed to say? i have a public record of decades in public service and you don't trust me and i don't feel like i've done anything to deserve it. so it's hurtful and i guess i'm just not very good at explaining who i am. >> let's play that sound where she talks sort of on a personal sense and mentions her husband. let's listen. >> i am not a natural politician in case you haven't noticed like my husband or president obama. so i have a view that i just have to do the best i can, get the results i can, make a difference in people's lives and hope that people see that
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i'm fighting for them and that i can improve conditions economically and other ways that will benefit them and their families. >> thank you. >> i spent a lot of my youth, i'll call it, years ago covering bill clinton, when hillary clinton was the first lady of arkansas until she became the first lady of the united states. number one, she was more relaxed around everybody in those days. hardened her and made her.e a good friend of mine said now she doesn't know the difference between a question and an attack. it might be an overstatement but she's more defensive that she used to be. bill clinton infuriated people on the public stage. he always had a way of when you attacked him or gave him a tough question, he had this aw shucks, you're trying to attack me. he could turn it on a dime. she doesn't have those gifts. she has many strengths. she is a political leader. and many people are like there
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he goes again, praising hillary clinton. so do many of the republican candidates. she has a very long list of strengths and she's clearly intelligence but she doesn't have that visceral sense that her husband had. >> she's saying i may not be a person who can dazzle the crowd. but i'm going the work hard. i'm a work horse, not a show horse. that's her message. >> saying i'm not a natural politician i think is hillary clinton's way of saying i'm authentic, this is really who i am. it's just a different way of saying it. >> maria cardona is joining us, jeffrey lord, donna brazile as well. jeffrey is a trump supporter and a former white house reagan political director. donna is a top political party official. donna, your thoughts on what you heard on the stage?
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>> within i think the first 20 minutes, karen tumulty, a wonderful journalist, she posed a question i think a lot of americans want to know, is donald trump a racist? hillary clinton said you can draw your own conclusions but she went on to talk about the unamerican things he has said and how it's divisive and his tone. but she also pointed out that she was one of the first politicians to call him on his comments about mexicans and others. the reason why i think that's relevant is on the republican side you have a lot of turmoil right now. i think part of the reason is because donald trump hesitated on the second try or third try to denounce the ku klux klan or david duke. disassociate himself. i thought that was a very important question. i thought hillary clinton handed herself very well. she had a lot of tough questions. >> let's play that moment for our viewers. so they know what you are referring to. let's play it. >> secretary clinton, you've
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known donald trump for a long time. you've seen what kind of campaign he's running. secretary clinton, is donald trump a racist? >> you know, karen, i'm going to follow my friend senator sanders' model here. if i am so fortunate to be the democratic nominee, there will be a lot of time to talk about him. i was the first one to call him out. i called him out when he was calling mexicans rapists, when he was engaging in rhetoric that i found deeply offensive. i said basta! and i am pleased that others are also joining in making clear that his rhetoric, his demagoguery, his trafficking in prejudice and paranoia has no place in our political system, especially from somebody running for president who couldn't
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decide whether or not to disavow to ku klux klan and david duke. people can draw their own conclusions about him, but i will just end by saying this -- you don't make america great by getting rid of everything that made america great. >> it's interesting, donna, because i think later on bernie sanders actually used the word racism to describe some of donald trump's rhetoric. >> yes, he did. but again, i don't think the candidates tried to avoid a question that i think donald trump needs to be asked and i think he needs to answer. clearly many of us across america have made up our own minds in terms of what we believe is going on. it was an important question. i don't believe they said yes or no, they say draw your own conclusions. i'm sure that's what's happening on the republican side as well as the democratic side.
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>> van jones, what do you make of this. i come back to the who would have thought and i don't know that hillary clinton would have thought at the start of this race she would be on the stage still arguing next to bernie sanders, a resurgent bernie sanders in michigan. >> well, i think she certainly did not. until fact, i don't think he thought that tonight he would be standing there as a victor with the wind at his back in the way that he has. look, you got to look at both these two candidates. a lot of their strengths, their great strengths were on full display tonight. hillary clinton just at times displaying just a dazzling mastery of policy nuance. that clean energy question, no abortion questions, no enough climate change questions, both of those on the table. hillary clinton's response on the clean energy question, talking about resilience and how that could be a bipartisan issue and how she could use that, that was a tour de force.
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bernie says campaign finance reform, political revolution, no comparison between the policy nuance and sophistication on a key issue for democrats. at the same time, bernie sanders incredibly appealing. he was back to being the cuddly curmudgeon as opposed to the cutting curmudgeon from the last debate. really, i think, was able to bring to a different audience the same sensibility and energy. and you saw the response from the crowd. i think both of them had very strong nights. hillary clinton got punched and punched and punched and punched. yeah, she was annoyed. anybody would have been annoyed. i think she handed herself very well under that much pressure. the last thing i want to say about bernie sanders, one of the things about him that people love, he is an unapologetic leftist. he did not back down back in the 80s, there was a big chunk of the american left, very mad at
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reagan for his military adventures in latin america and who were opposed to the interventions. he did not back down from that. that makes him incredibly authentic. it also would be tough for him i believe in a general election. it was the first time you saw him have the opportunity to back away from those positions. he did not. it makes him authentic but it shows you the kind of trouble he would have in a general election. >> before we go continue on with the panel, let's just play his response to the question about cuba. >> in retrospect have you ever regretted the characterizations of daniel ortega or fidel castro that you made in 1985? >> the key issue here was whether the united states should go around overthrowing small latin american countries. >> i didn't answer the question. >> i believe that was a mistake, both in nicaragua and cuba. let's look at the facts here. cuba is an authoritarian, undemocratic country and i hope very much as soon as possible it
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becomes a democratic country. but on the other hand it would be wrong not to state that in cuba they have made some good advances in health care. they are sending doctors all over the world. they have made some progress in education. >> i just want to add one thing to the question you were asking senator sanders. i think in that same interview, he praised what he called the revolution of values in cuba and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves. i just couldn't disagree more. you know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, you imprison people, even kill people for expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech that is not the kind of revolution of values that i ever want to see anywhere. >> maria cardona, clearly something which in a general election is something which will
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stand hillary clinton in much better stead than probably bernie sanders's response. >> i think that's right. but i think even before we get to the general election, anderson, let's think about where we are today. we're in florida where florida's hispanic electorate, now the majority hispanic electorate has a lot of people coming from south america. so this argument from bernie, i agree with van, you have to give him credit for being authentic and not backing down, but my twitter feed blew up from people who were from here who come from those countries who have socialist and authoritarian regimes and the kind of language that bernie uses when he talks about this scares them. i don't think it will just hurt him in a general election but i think it could hurt him here in florida where a lot of our people don't have fond memories
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of those kind of governments at that they actually fled and came here it get away from. >> jeffrey lord, as a nondemocrat here, as a republican -- >> did you notice? >> what did you make of that answer. and also the deportation issue. it could not be a starker contrast to have both candidates on the stage saying no more deportations from essentially immigrants who are illegally here adults or children as long as they are not criminals or terrorists or people trying to do harm? >> well, first i'd like to thank secretary clinton for defending president ronald reagan's policies in ending in cold war, which did of course include opposition to the communists in nicaragua, which was part of the entire policy and it worked. stunned as i am, apparently hillary clinton has a reaganite streak to her and i thank her for that.
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in terms of deportations, to be perfectly candid, it's going to be a big issue here. we, as we although, to use one example of any number of examples, jameel shaw jr., an african-american, 17-year-old in los angeles, was shot to death by an illegal immigrant gangster, who shouldn't have been in the country in the first place. his parents are supporting donald trump. there is every reason in the world for them to be angry about the state of the illegal immigration situation in this country. so this is going to be an issue. donald trump has raised it it. it has propelled him a lot of americans are elect matly upset about this. and we're going to be discussing it in the fall without question. >> go ahead, van. >> i think it's unfortunate. there is, i think, going to be an attempt on the part of trump assuming he is the general election candidate for the republicans to try to pit people
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against each other, to grab an african-american, a conservative family that suffered a tragedy and use that african-american family as a battering ram against the entire immigrant community. that kind of politician i think is unworthy of our country. yes, there are many, many tragedies but when you use the death of a child as a political weapon against a whole commune, it's unfortunate, it's wrong and i hope the african-american community will see this as what it is, something that's unacceptable and push back. >> go ahead. >> i think a the shaw family is very upset. they're the ones that have taken the initiative here. >> van's point is -- >> i'm sorry, we have a slight echo. >> you can't smear the entire community simply -- it's horrific what happened to that young man but you should not smear the entire community. ic that's the large issue that
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we have to get to when we have these contentious debates about immigration reform and border security. >> and you look at the huge contrast between what my friend jeffrey just brought up and the stunning moment tonight, anderson, when the question came from the woman whose husband was deported, the woman from guatemala. that was a tear-jerking moment that i think underscores the huge differences of where the democrats are on this whole issue of deportation, undocumented immigrants, making sure they are here, if they haven't committed criminal acts to continue to live out their american dream and give them a pass to citizenship which is frankly where the majority of the immigrants are. versus the republican party where one of the first questions
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is whether their front-runner is a racist. >> i mean, not to -- not to relitigate van and my conversation, but i must say, i mean, this is what happens with democrats on race. i'm still waiting for mrs. clinton apologizing for slavery on record. if we want to get into that, then we can get into that, too. >> if we want to recall if founders of our country and their failure to understand, we can go into that, too. but i'm sure there is a larger issue than going back to get that litigated. >> let's take a break here. we're going to take a short break. we're going to check in with the spin room. we're going to fact check the candidates and more as our debate coverage continues from miami. ♪ ♪ it was always just a hobby.
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we're coming to you from the site of tonight's univision democratic debate. hillary clinton and bernie sanders seeking the latino vote in a state where winning that vote matters enormously in an election where it matters enormously. they also highlighted their trademark issues, which in bernie sanders case was about free college for everybody, he talked about
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>> senator sanders has talked about free college for everybody, he talked about universal single payor health care for everybody, and yet when you ask questions, as many of us have and more importantly independent experts, it's very hard to get answers. and a lot of the answers say that, you know, this is going to be much more expensive than anything senator sanders is admitting to. this is going to increase the federal government dramatically. my dad used to say if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. and we deserve answers about how
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against comprehensive immigration reform under the bush administration, a bill authored by senator ted kennedy, a liberal lion of the senate. tonight hillary clinton did not miss that opportunity, really trying to show that bernie sanders was in opposition. that he wasn't aligned with immigration advocates. the other thing they think may stick with this was that video
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that you saw where he was talking in positive terms about the castro regime in 1985. this is something he has written about over the years. in 1989, he went to cuba. visited with america vanna. he didn't denounce that video and they're highlighting that in florida. look, this is all happening in this afterglow or the opposite of that, i guess you could say, from this michigan primary that just dealt her a stinging loss last night. because of that, they admit they are pushing through at this point looking to next tuesday. they're looking to florida but they think she has an advantage here. they're looking to ohio now. you saw hillary clinton double down on that auto bailout argument that bernie sanders did not support the auto bailout argument. some people thought that may have back fired. we'll see if that's a position she is going to hold as they approach next tuesday.
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>> sanders is saying it was a low blow for hillary clinton to bring up in the debate. let's go to jeff zeleny from the sanders camp. jeff, what are you hearing from them tonight? >> reporter: the sanders campaign came into this debate on a wave of momentum and they were excited about what happened in michigan. they believe he carried it through tonight. you can see the spin room behind me, a lot of people are spinning. the gist is they believe senator sanders had a good opportunity, a good moment to present his case yet again but the reality check of the next stage of the contest is all five states coming up are not created equally. i just talked to one of the senior strategists for the schbds campaign. he said florida is a closed primary. that means republicans cannot vote in the democratic primary. senator sanders is going to start advertising tomorrow. he's going to compete to try and win some delegates but they do not that florida is a good terrain for them. but they do believe illinois,
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ohio, missouri are good places for them to compete over the weekend and next week. but at the debate tonight, they believe that the auto industry bailout -- they were surprised that secretary clinton continued that line of argument, they pointed to an editorial today in the "new york times" saying it was a dishonest point of attack. watch for paid advertising on that. they believed it was highlighting questions of honesty about the clinton campaign here. overall the sanders campaign is happy they had this debate because it gave their candidate one more chance and one more bit of oxygen here. the question really, anderson, is this is the last scheduled debate. if this contest keeps going on, is senator sanders going to call for other debates? and what would the clinton campaign do about that? that's one thing we'll keep our eye on here as this democratic contest continues throughout march, likely into april and longer than that. anderson? >> hey, jeff, we're very used to now seeing republican candidates
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in the spin room after these debates, they all make a bee line there trying to get as much recovery as they can. does secretary clinton or senator sanders go to these rooms after the debates? >> in a word, no, they don't. let me turn around behind me to make sure i'm not missing them. hillary clinton has not gone to the spin room at any of the seven democratic debates. bernie sanders went in to one in las vegas, one that you moderat moderated. and it created such a mob scene, that's the last one he's ever done. only their top advisors come in. we do not see it like we see with donald trump. hillary clinton is never near our micro phones like that. and bernie sanders seldom is. that's one of the many differences between the republican side and the democratic side of this campaign, anderson. >> i didn't want our viewers to think we were avoiding talking to them. jeff zeleny thanks very much.
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back with our panel, alicia melendez and mr. avila. both with univision network. what did you think of the debate? >> i thought it was a really stunning debate. part of what they found was among latinos who were democratic primary voters, clinton seems to lead sanders 2-1. exempt in the one area with young voters. you saw him leading to messaging that is meant to cater to younger voters, talking about free public tuition for college, talking about a variety of issues, including health care. that are very important as a young voter. i thought that was not surprising but interesting. >> i thought it was pretty pretty remarkable when jorge ramos got both candidates to promise not to deport immigrants and children who didn't have a criminal background. >> essentially any -- >> any adult. >> undocumented immigrant who had not committed a crime or been a terrorist. >> which is remarkable given the
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administration's current policy. deporting 2.5 million people, custom is an astounding number. it's a huge break in sort of a democratic -- from within democratic politics. >> also astounding when you consider who is leading the republican field. i did see some of the more conservative tweeters talking about perhaps tonight's debate was best for donald trump. that if you were trying to stir up a nativist ring of the republican party, then this in many ways stoked their greatest fears. >> the question is moving into a general election, if it's hillary clinton or bernie sanders, how does that play once you are against a republican candidate? >> we will find out. there is no question trump is changing american politics. we'll see if he is a nominee and what it does. but there is no question, a, it motivates the republican base, it's the issue that got trump started, and i think the economic stuff has helped donald trump grow. it was his launching point in the republican race. the democrats now believe, though, that the demographics favor them.
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this is one of the states that the laboratory for that. this used to be a republican leaning state in presidential politics. always competitive but republican leaning. now people think in the presidential politics, it probably leans towards the democrats. mostly latinos here in florida, some african-americans and in other state, whether it's african-americans or latinos, democrats believe growing by the second helps them on these issues. we're not done yet. president obama won on them twice. it doesn't mean it's locked in. these issues are still going forward. without a doubt. >> donna brazile, van, how do you think that plays in a general election, that pledge not to deport? >> well, look, i do believe that that's a very important pledge given not just the demographics and the dynamics, but i also think it's human. -- humane. i've seen and not just heard but seen families torn apart. it breaks my heart. anderson, you know many of the
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people who came down in louisiana after hurricane katrina. some of them were undocumented but they broke their backs and necks and bones to try to help us rebuild. many of their families got torn apart. i think it's the right thing to do and i think it's moral and i think it's in alignment with what the democrats believe is comprehensive immigration reform. maria might know more about this comprehensive issue. but i support it. i do believe that nevada, colorado, florida, north carolina and some of the other swing states, i believe we can get a victory by standing on solid moral ground as it relates to this issue. >> let me play the exchange where secretary clinton was asked about how her policies are any different in terms of building a wall that she had voted for border fencing when she pointed out bernie sanders had as well. let's play that. >> but the question is what is the difference between the wall
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that you voted for and donald trump's wall? >> it's a big difference. i mean, first of all, as i understand him, he's talking about a very tall wall, right? a beautiful tall wall, the most beautiful tall wall, better than the great wall of china that would run the entire border, that he would somehow magically get the mexican government to pay for and, you know, it's just fantasy. and, in fact, if he cared to know anything about what members of congress like the senator and i have done, where it was necessary we did support some fencing. where it was necessary, we did add border patrol agents. we have done what by any fair estimate would have to conclude is a good job, quote, securing the border. so let's get about the business of comprehensive immigration reform.
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>> van, i can see a campaign commercial already being made up by republicans where secretary clinton is saying that's just fantasy. >> listen, this is the biggest divide that you can have in politics. right now you have republicans saying deport 100% and democrats saying deport 0%. what you're seeing is the impact on the democratic party of its young base across the board. the dreamers have pushed this issue to the point where it is now orthodoxy within the democratic party not to split up families. that wasn't true just a few years ago. black lives matter have pushed the issue of criminal justice, the occupy wall street kids have pushed the income of income inequality. the young base of this party is having a huge impact. if i were a republican, if i were a conservative, watching
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the the debate in flint in stark relief, watching the debate tonight, would you have to conclude that there's a massive split in this country in terms of what's going on with the republicans versus what's going on with the democrats. >> go ahead, maria. >> in terms you ask what is the difference between the wall that secretary clinton and the wall that donald trump talks about. there's a huge symbolism here, and no one, i think, that really understands what trump was talking about is ever going to confuse the wall that he wants to build with the sensible border alignment that secretary clinton and frankly a lot of the democrats voted for because that is just sensible border enforcement. so latinos when trump talks
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about this wall, he's not just talking about a big beautiful physical wall with a wonderful door that he talks about. he is saying we don't want you. he is saying we don't want you to come into this country. and he is saying if you are here without documents we want you out. it is a clear message to latinos. and when you have an electorate as important as the latinos where a republican candidate cannot get into the white house with at least 42% of the hispanic vote, trump or any other republican who might come out as the nominee is going to have a very tough time getting into casablanca. >> that is of course not what he's saying. >> hold on, van. the question is how many voters here have already made up their minds. do you think any minds were changed tonight? >> it hard to say. you'll have to ask the.
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-- ask the voters. i believe the immigration reform for bernie sanders is like hillary's iraq vote in 2003, 2002. it keeps coming back to haunt him. it's a tough one for him to answer because he voted against it. that's just the way it is. >> but the speed of the transformation on this issue is striking because of the speed of the demographic issues in this country changing. i asked secretary clinton in that 2008 debate was barack obama standing next her about her support for the ramos? and she acknowledged that she voted for it and who he tried to explain it tonight. she said don't give undocumented driver's license. sanders said immigrants drive down wages.
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he said that tonight. she said don't give undocumented driver's license. the speed in the transformation in this party is striking. you look at the demographics and they have moved. >> i think part of it is a demographic shift but i also think part of it is the realization on the part of democrats and n congress was their original strategy was and when they realized republicans weren't willing to come to the table and meet them halfway, they abandoned us. >> we'll take another quick break. much morp with our panel coming up. lts also we'll separate fact from fiction in terms of what the candidates said on the debate stage. coming up, we have a reality check next.
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about is hillary clinton having e-mails, classified e-mails on this private e-mail servers at home. she says they were not classified at the time. >> some other part of the government, we're not sure who, has concluded that some of the e-mails should be now retroactively classified. they just said the same thing to former secretary colin powell. >> just the same thing to collin powell. she said they were not classified at the time. indeed, the state department has gone over this practice, looked at colin powell's account but he only used his account occasionally. two of them were retroactively classified. she more than 2,000, include more than 20 at the top level of top secret. for her suggesting that her usage of e-mail is just like
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collin powell's is not accurate exactly. bernie sanders went after her saying she flip flopped. listen. >> secretary clinton prevailed upon the governor of new york, eliot spitzer, who wanted to do the right thing and provide driver's license to those who were undocumented. she said don't do it and new york state still does not do it. >> he says she's a flip flopper. absolutely on this issue, she did waffle, a good bit in 2007 as she was launching her first presidential bid. ultimately, she did come down on the side of saying, no, there should not be licenses who came into this country illegally. she did lean on the former government of new york and to this day you cannot get a license if you're one of those folks in new york. that is true. and he has gone after her
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numerous times over the this issue of wall street support i saying basically she is beholden to wall street for all the big money she gets. she says no. >> i went to wall street before the great recession and basically called them out, said that their behavior was putting our economy at risk, called for a moratorium on foreclosures. >> so she says she's not beholden to wall street for its financial support of her campaign. we can't exactly say what's going to happen in the future, nobody knows that, but we do know in 2007 she did warm of the subprime danger to the economy and she did call for a moratorium and freeze. on adjustable interest rates. so her claim about all of that is true. if you want to find out more about how we reached these verdicts and more of the things we checked from the debate tonight go to cnn.com/reality check. >> tom, thanks very much. let talk about where the race
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goes from here. this continues. john? >> it goes to some pretty big contests because of the demographics here in florida, hillary clinton is favored. bernie sanders had a big upset last night. it was an upset of the century as he sachld it's not enough to change the strategic arc of the race but gives him an opening to do that. >> does it raise questions about ohio? >> the next step ohio and illinois. if he can win one or both of those industrial areas -- she is from illinois by the way. if he can win one or both of those, say michigan, ohio, illinois, that makes a huge statement about economics. challenging economics, and challenging on the known brand. even though he has been in the senate and the house before that, you are a known brand. i'm change. that's why his opening statements, he came right out of the box. and so bernie sanders can make advances and doesn't lose an
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entire state, like what happened with republicans in florida and ohio. so ohio is their prime target of opportunity, they believe. >> and i think you got to look for what those younger minorities do. he's making inroads in michigan, he's done well with latinos in texas. i think he got something like 30%. did well in nevada, too. i think here he was trying to do that same thing, connect with young latinos, like in ohio. american folks there are season. and he has good surrogates there in ohio like nina turner. >> and van jones, until michigan, there's no doubt hillary clinton was looking forward to turning toward a general election or looking forward to turning towards republicans. she cannot do that now. bernie sanders is running hard, running strong and has deep pockets.
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>> yeah, and look, the rebellion in both parties is real. it seems like over and over again people have to be reminded or shocked into realizing there is a full scale rebellion in both parties. there was a knock on bernie sanders that he could not expand into the black vote. he did that. he split in young black voters in michigan. there is no telling what is going to happen in ohio or illinois or elsewhere. this is a real thing. she has to take i would seriously. the great thing about where she is root now, he would have to start winning 60/40 to catch up. this is not complete panic, but this is a real phenomenon with both political parties and bernie sanders is far from out. >> there is no more debates scheduled. if you are hillary clinton do you want more debates? probably not. >> no, not with what she was getting. >> and he's also getting better.
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>> she has more experience doing this. she is an accomplished debater, a practiced attorney before that. not a criticism of senator sanders, certainly he is getting better. but she has experience doing that. >> this crowd tonight, they seemed to be bernie sanders. and what it seemed like won more over. >> and also at a certain point you have to ask what this does to the democratic party as you head into an election. you don't want to so weaken your front-runner. i mean, tonight on immigration, it was very clear that neither of these candidates has clean hands. bernie sanders voted against immigration reform in 2007. hillary clinton in her race for the presidency at the same time didn't want to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. those are two very unpopular positions rights now, particularly in this state. but the more you debate these,
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the # more you open up holes for open or hillary clinton. for donald trump to say look at what you're talking about now, just a few years ago, you were on a different side of this. >> the more you debate and the longer this thing goes on the more tensions arise among the candidates. you do sort of see -- you are seeing that. and it stills over to the campaigns. it stils spills over to the supporters. at some point they're going to have to come together. >> that's where barack obama comes in, right. >> yeah. >> you make a point in the sense that, van is right, the math is in hillary clinton's favor. bernie sanders has a chance to change that if he starts winning but he has to win big states and winning by healthy margins. assume if the race goss on, if she's the nominee, especially among the young voters and the new voters, she mooets needs to
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manage the relationship. any candidate needs to manage the relationship with their competitor. >> and you could see it in their eyes tonight. they're under each other's skin. and there's tension. you at another moment in the debate where bernie sanders has an opening. >> we have to take a break. quickly, van. >> quickly, i think that one of the things that hillary clinton did tonight that probably doesn't sit well, trying to pretend bernie sanders supports minute men militias. when she does stuff like, that i don't think it helps a with the relationship. >> i want to thank everybody. ary miner, cnn is going to host the gop presidential debate of that's tomorrow night at the university of miami not far from here. that's at 8:30 p.m. eastern. we'll be on at 8:00 p.m. eastern. after the break, my interview with donald trump.
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