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its been up here. >> reporter: a major shift in tone at last night's gop debate. the rivals moving away from the personal attacks of the past -- >> have you seen his hands? they're like this. >> and little marco spews his crap. >> i call him lyin' ted. >> reporter: towards more civil contrasts as trump's competitors argue he doesn't have the details to back up his campaign promises. from u.s. trade deals. >> trade deals are absolutely killing our country and the only way we'll be able to do it, we have to do taxes unless they behave. >> donald is right, for example, talking about international trade. right about the problems, but his solutions don't work. >> the effect of a 45% tariff would be, were you go to the store, go to walmart, shopping for your kids, the prices you pay go up 45%. >> the 45% tax is a threat. it is not a tax. it was a threat. it will be a tax if they don't behave. >> reporter: to associate security. >> my absolute intonight leave
social security the way it is. leave it as-is, no increase the age. >> the numbers don't add up. bottom line is we can't continue to tiptoe around this and throw out, get rid of fraud and abuse but still have hundreds of billions of dollars of deficit you have to make up. >> reporter: and mideast peace. >> if i go in i'll say i'm pro-israel, told that to everybody and anybody that would listen but would like to at least have the other side think i'm somewhat neutral as to them so that we can maybe get a deal done. >> but the policy donald outlined, i don't know if he realizes, is an anti-israeli policy. maybe that's not your intent. why it is, there is no peace deal possible with palestinians at this moment. there just isn't. there's no one to negotiate with. >> reporter: a response whether to close the u.s. embassy in cuba. >> i would probably have the embassy closed until such time as a really good deal was made and struck by the united states.
>> reporter: as rubio jumped at a chance to weigh in on an issue that might give him a boost here in florida. >> here's a good deal. cuba has free elections, stops putting people in jail for speaking out, cuba has freedom of the press, cuba kicks out the russians and cuba stops helping north korea invade u.n. sanctions. >> reporter: the sunshine state senator looking for any opportunity to go after trump in this do or die debate for his campaign. >> last night you told cnn, "islam hates us." did you mean all 1.6 billion musl muslims? >> i mean a lot of them. >> there's tremendous hatred and i stick with exactly what i said to anderson cooper. >> the problem is presidents can't just say anything they want. it has consequences here and around the world. >> you can be politically correct if you want. i don't want to be so politically correct. i like to solve problems. we have a serious, serious problem of hate. >> i'm not interested in being politically correct. i'm interested in being correct.
we are going to have to work with people in the muslim faith even as islam itself faces a serious crisis within it. >> now, we also heard donald trump talk last night about wanting to unify the party, bringing in new voters and campaign officials say that's what makes ben carson a good fit for the trump campaign, to endorse donald trump, bauer they're both outsiders bringing new people to the party. it's hard to ignore awkwardness in the past. a time donald trump likened ben carson's personality to that of a child molester's. >> pathological a serious disease. pathological, somebody said he has pathological disease. others said he said in the book, i haven't seen it, i know it's in the book, a pathological temper or temperament. that's a big problem, because you don't cure that. that's like, you know, i could say, they say you don't cure -- as an example, a child molester.
you don't cure these people. you don't cure a child molester. there's no cure for it. >> now, there's no doubt donald trump will be asked to reconcile those comments with his endorsement as they're side by side today. we'll see how they explains that one. carol? >> i was just going to ask you about that. a tough one. the other question is -- why this news conference scheduled for 9:00 a.m. eastern? on a friday morning? >> reporter: i think this is a strategic move by the trump campaign. we've seen him do this after other debates. a way to protect donald trump as he goes into these debates knows he's at center stage and never knows how hard his rivals will hit him. a way to wake up the next morning and change the narrative. also gives him a way to say, look, i am bringing republicans behind me. it's time for the party to rally behind me. i am the front-runner. time for you to treat me lie the presumptive nominee. carol? >> set the scene. where is this taking place
exactly? what reporter was aloud into the event, et cetera, et cetera? >> reporter: wee are here at maralago, one of trump's promise. prefers to hold them at his own properties. it's bigger than normal for a press conference and donald trump has managed to build his campaign essentially on free media. he spent relatively little on television because he holds big, flashy events like this and it draws dozens of reporters. we're seeing that again today, carol. >> well, pandand i ask that quen because the narrative going around, the violence that keeps happening at trump's press events. the coverdeta daily news" arrested for sellingedly sucker punching an african-american protestors at a trump rally in north carolina. i guess he's hoping this might change the narrative, too, because ben carson is seen as
rather -- i don't know, a peaceful, christian man? >> reporter: well, i think that donald trump addressed some of these questions last night. i think he'll have to continue to address them, because his campaign events, this is a little different, because it's a press conference. it's with the media. it's not one of his big rallies, but at his big rallies we have seen run-ins between protestors and trump supporters. i have to be honest, carol, it's not protestors we see throwing the punches here. it's donald trump supporters we've seen doing this. trump has said he does not want to see this kind of activity. that he does not condone this kind of behavior but has made past comments saying maybe protestors deserve to be roughed up. at the rallies when you hear protestors he'll say, get them out ha here. there is speculation he is trying to walk a fine line and in ways potentially fueling this. he disputes that. his campaign says they don't want to see violence and his campaign manager was out here saying thinking it's unfair
protestors would show up and interrupt a trump event. carol, gives you an idea even though donald trump has riz ton higher numbers in the republican party than anyone imagined when he got in a lot of the things he said are divisive to the broader electorate and he has to deal with that if he gets the nomination. >> stand by, sara. and the chief political correspondent for usa radio networks and a trump supporter and a cnn political commentator and trump supporter. amanda, start with you. ben cars han a lot of support among evangelicals. why isn't he backing ted cruz? >> listen, it's no secret ben carson still has sour grapes from iowa. i think ted cruz absolutely ran a great campaign in iowa. didn't do anything wrong but carson is heartsick about it. he wanted to bin that state and cruz won it. he hasn't gotten over the fact and so is going to donald trump. i don't any it makes a lot of sense given donald trump's
positions, the fact he's insulted ben carson so brutally, but it's a decision that carson made. >> and ask you that question. so donald trump at one time called ben carson pathological. now he's embracing him. what changed? >> well, i think it speaks very much to the trueness they're not going along with egos, putting the people above their own egos and what's happening along the campaign trail. we've seen the conservative movement. people who fought side by side to get good people elected many these candidates having to tear at each other, and so i know that in the future we're going to fight together regardless what happens this year. i hope we will. this i think is a good step towards unifying the conservative base, not only for this presidential fights but the fights ta continue on in the futch guaranteed to happen. >> dana bash and palm beach awaiting for this conference. you've seen political enemies come together and support one
another. you've done this a long time. what does it take for that to happen? >> reporter: it's funny. there's no question that it happens all the sometime. there is particularly when you reach the end of a primary season, you tend to have unity i vents. people who are rhetorically ripping each other's eyes out all of a sudden supporting one another saying they can get behind one another. this is a little different, because both of these men have never been politicians before. and, you know, i think -- for ben carsen in particular, he maybe didn't take donald trump's criticisms personally, but my understanding from sources on both sides of this is that he certainly took some of the alleged dirty tricks from ted cruz's campaign in iowa quite personally. his whole family did, and i think that that was likely part of ben carson's decision to go with -- with donald trump, even though he might have a lot of similar principles and ideals as ted cruz.
>> okay. i'm just watching the door here, dana, and i understand dr. ben carson just tweeted. what did he tweet out, my executive producer michelle is telling me in my ear. what did ben carson tweet? there it is. okay. so ben carson tweeting this morning. many people fight for change in d.c. donald trump is a leader with an outsider's perspective and the vision, guts and energy to get it done. okay. so i want to, while we await donald trump to come through those doors i want to go back to scotty hughes. ben carson would help him with education issues. -- let's watch a minute. okay. let's watch for a minute. it's happening. let's watch. >> well, thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. it's a great honor, and last night's debate was fun. it was different.
it got wonderful -- there were a lot of good feelings in that room, and i think it's something, frankly, that the republican party needed, and today is something very, very special, because dr. ben carson was respected by everybody. everybody wanted his endorsement, and everybody loves him, and truly, truly admires what he's done. his life has been an incredible life. it's been an awe-inspiring life, and i just want to tell you that having his support really -- i think it just adds total credence to what i'm trying to do and what we're all trying to do. so i just want to introduce dr. ben carson, special, special person. special man. thank you very much. >> thank you. well, thank you, donald, and, you know, this whole process getting involved in the political process was something i never particularly intended to
do, but, you know, i listened to the people, and it was really all about the people, and it continues to be all about the people. you know, it's not about the republican party or the democratic party. it's about the people of america, and what i have been seeing recently is political operatives and parties once again trying to assert themselves and trying to thwart of will of the people. i find that that is an extraordinarily dangerous place to be right now, and, you know, i want the voice of the people to be heard. i want the political process to play out in the way that it should play out, and, you know, i think the republican party particularly will be very wise not to adopt, a let's stop this guy and promote this guy policy, but, rather, start thinking about, what are the things that are going to be helpful for america?
right now, you know, we're in a process of going off the deep end. we're going off the cliff for fiscally irresponsible, hating each other, destroying ourselves, a house divided against itself cannot stand. we're failing to take a leadership position on the world stage. now, some people have said, well, why would you get behind a man like donald trump? i'll tell you why pmp. first of all, i've come to know donald trump over the last few years. he is actually a very intelligent man who cares deeply about america. there are two different donald trumps. there's the one you see on the stage, and there's the one who's very scerebral, sits there, you can have a very good conversation with him, and that's the donald trump that you're going to start seeing
more and more of right now. and some people said, but -- well, you know, he said terrible things about you. how can you support him? first of all, we buried the hatchet. that was political stuff. and, you know, that happens in american politics. the politics of personal destruction, all that. it's not something that i particularly believe in or anything that i get involved in. but i do recognize it. it is a part of the process. we move on, because it's not about me. it's not about mr. trump. it's about america. and this is what we have to be thinking about. i have found that in talking with him that, you know, there's a lot more alignment, philosophically and spiritually, than i ever thought that there was. he will speak to that, but, you know, that actually surprised me
more than anything. because i do recognize how a person's image can be greatly distorted, having been the victim of that. i probably understand it better than anybody. and i think as the american people who we are focusing on, as they begin to see the real individual there, and those who are helping that individual, i think we're going to be comforted as a nation. you know, we have to start working together. we cannot allow the agents of division to continue to separate us. as a nation, our strength is our unity. and we -- we just have to sort of ignore those people who are always trying to stir up strife, and i'm appealing to some degree to the media as well. you know, you're part of america, too, and should be
interested in strengthening our nation. not in creating divisions. not in creating conflicts all the time. if we start having that american attitude that american spirit that made us great that took us to the pinnacle in no time at all, believe me, everybody will benefit from that. we're also talking about how can we make america a place that's successful for everybody. you know, we have 330 million people. we're going to be competing with china, with 1.4 billion. india, 1.4 billion. we have to develop all of our people. you know, the people who are the down trodden in our society. we're not going toes people any favor by patting them on the head and saying, there, there. you poor little thing. i'm going to take care of all your needs. what we need to be doing is concentrating on things that allow them to climb out of the state of dependency and become part of the strength and fabric of this nation. that's what america is about.
it's not about dependency and it certain isn't about socialism. you know, socialism is seen as the panacea by some who don't really understand it. i think a lot of young people think socialism is just being concerned about other people. that's not what it is. it's cradle to grave government, and you let them take care of you, but you give them all of your money. you give them control of your life. they all end up looking the same way. a small group of elites at the top controllinging everything. a rapidly diminishing middle class and a vastly expanded dependent class. that is not what made america great. donald trump talks a lot about making america great, but it's not just talk. he means it. i'm going to be helping him. others are going to be helping him. you know, one of the things that i've discovered in this country is we have some incredibly smart people. none of us knows everything, but
when we begin to use those smart people effectively to accomplish the goals of america, you're going to see us once again begin to ascend to the pinnacle to a much higher pinnacle than we've ever achieved before and that's where america should be. thank you so much. >> thank you very much, ben, and ben and i were talking lengthily yesterday, and it was an amazing conversation. one of the things that i realized is, his great love is education, and he was telling me things about education, and it was so right-on, and it was so good, and it's such an important element for our country, and i said, ben, congratulations. you just have to get involved with us with education, because our educational system in the united states, as you've heard from my speeches, were ranked at
the bottom of the pack worldwide yet we spend the most money per pupil. by far. not even close. second doesn't even exist. ben is going to get very much involved and going to get very much involved in health care where he's an expert and even during the debates i'd always know, ben when it came to health care and talking about health, ben was in really a class by himself. so it's such an honor to have ben. he's a friend. he's become a friend, and i really appreciate the endorsement, ben. thank you. any questions, folks? yes? >> mr. trump -- >> david? >> mr. trump, two questions. first of all, did you guys, gently or formally apologize to each other for some of the nasty things you said on the trail? >> yeah. it's politics. it is politics. it's tough stuff. it's a tough business. i used to think real estate in manhattan was tough. this is like -- this is a tough business, this politics. a lot of things happen in politics that don't happen
anywhere else. so, yes. we understand that. go ahead? >> the question always coming up in big endorsements. any discussion between the two of you men or promises made about a position for dr. carson in your administration either as a running mate or secretary of -- >> no. i thought it was lovely. when ben called, would you do this, do that? he just wants to help and feels strongly about what's happening and's you see the kind of crowds we get. crowds that are amazing and record-setting. i don't think there's ever been anything like it. well, it's on the cover of every magazine. ben's seen that and ben's going to have a big, big part. maybe ben doesn't know this yet, but ben's going to have a big part. we want to keep that kind of talent. we want to keep. yes? >> mr. trump, do you see mr. carson, dr. carson, playing a policy role princely for your campaign or as a surrogate on the campaign trail going places you're not going? and when he says there are two donald trumps, do you agree with that characterization and could you amplify on it? >> i probably do agree.
there are probably two donald trumps. the public version and people see that and i don't know what they see exactly but it seems to have worked over my lifetime but probably different i think than the personal donald trump. ben said it very well today. perhaps there are two donald trumps, but -- well, you know, i'm somebody that is a thinker. i'm a big thinker. and i have my ideas and they're strong, and typically they've worked out. and what i want to do is, you know, the theme and ben alluded to it the theme i have for this entire campaign is "make america great again" what i want to do. very simple. i want to make america great again, military, borders, terrorism, so many problems. the debt. look at our debt. $19 trillion going up to $21 trillion in a very short fashion. so we're going to straighten things out and straighting then out correctly. >> policy or politics for you? >> doctor carson is both.
dr. carson is both but very much on policy. ben was always very strong on policy and very strong on policy. >> thank you, mr. trump. you've talked a lot about unity on the campaign trail and in the debate last night. can you fill us in on outreach efforts making to capitol hill and also ask you an islamic state question after that. >> we have been called by the biggest people in politics, not only republican politics, but also the biggest people in republican politics, and over the last couple of weeks, you saw paul ryan reached out, and terrific guy. always respected him, always liked him, and not necessarily agree on everything. i'm very strong or borders and security and i think paul is, you know, i think he's going to have his views and i think probably certain things will change. but paul ryan reached out and we had a great conversation, and many other people at the top, top level. i sort of get a kick. i see you covering one person hoop saying, donald trump must be stopped. i talked to them two days
before, donald, we have to come together. we've been contacted by many of the biggest people in republican politics. >> -- congressional lawmakers as well. >> reaching out but really reaching out to us because they see what's happening. getting millions and millions of additional people. people that the republican party has never had before. it's the biggest story. i said it last night at the debate. the biggest story in politics is what's happening. we are having millions and millions of people come out and vote for the republicans. they get out. they register republican. i've had so many people tell me, i've never voted republican in my life. i left the democrats in order to register as a republican so i could vote for you. independents, democrats, and you see it. we're up 65%, more than that. millions of people more, and that's what i'm saying. the republicans now want to embrace it. i see it. they want to embrace it. tom? >> ask you about islamic state quickly. last night in the debate you talk and potentially sending up positive 30,000 american troops
to -- more than president bush sent to afghanistan. >> get back real soon. we have to get rid of isis. up to the generals. we have to get rid -- generals have to play their own game. i want to find out we have the right general, ben, right? we don't want the wrong general talking to us but we're going to find the right general, the right person or guy or woman. >> and prepared potentially for a long war? >> no. it's going to be very quick. we're very powerful. we're going to use our power. yes? >> on the bur ig the hatchet deal with you and dr. carson you mentioned politics is rough. do you personally regret any of the things said about dr. carson? >> funny, i thought about it yesterday. i have such respect for ben. if you notice, the cnn poll came out 49-15. how do you like that, ben? he wouldn't have been happy. but if you noticed, during this whole thing, nationally i'm talking about. ultimately probably the most important. cnn comes out 49 -- a couple
days ago. 49 for trump and 15 for the two others i think at 15. the one person that just kept sneaking up on me, i couldn't lose him, was dr. ben carson. i could not lose that guy, and i was doing well and you know, trump would be at 28 at that time. and i remember when it was 28, and -- ben was 18. and then he was 19. and then the next week it was like 22. i said, whoa, whoa. what's this happening here? i don't like this. right? and then he was 24. and then i had a pretty good poll where i took a little lead in one. and -- but then what happened is it was, i believe nbc, "wall street journal," who always gives me bad polls by wait way. oh, thank you for the nice things you always say about me. thank you. sitting next to david. okay? thank you very much. always so nice. now she's going to be bashful because she's embarrassed. i just want to thank you.
so, ben, ben would always, like, he'd be there and then we had one poll where ben went ahead. the biggest story worldwide. i said, this guy is unbelievable. and so i started going after ben. and it's politics. i mean, ben understands that. and i was really impressed with the way he fought back, because he fought back with silence and strength. and i even commented on it. somebody else would have gotten -- wouldn't have gone well. his great confidence, in himself, i was very, very impressed. it is true. he's the one person -- i used the expression, i couldn't lose him. i couldn't shake him, he did so well and just go up, up, up, so steady, so solid, and i fought back and i hit him hard. and he, which is politics, and ben understands that, and he understood that, because i talked to him about it yesterday, but he handled it with such dignity i frankly thought it was amazing and actually gained a lot of respect for him. okay. >> on that point, mr. trump, you
talked about the two donald trump, that there may be dr. ben carson brought that up. when you say things like i want to punch a protestors in a face or said things about dr. carson, is it politics? playing character there? >> it's politics and it's fact. let me just telling, we've had some violent people as protestors. not just people saying, oh -- these are people that punch. people that are violent people. i get the biggest crowds, by far. not even a con test and you people don't like to report it, but actually the one thing good about protestors is you have to go and go into these stadiums, massive stadiums with 25,000, 30,000 people and cameras never turn. the cameras never, ever turn and show the stadium. i always say turn and show the -- they don't. a protestors up in the corner it's great. the cameras all turn because it's a negative as opposed to a positive so they turn. we've had a couple really violent. the particular one when high said, like to bang him.
that was -- a very vicious -- a guy who was swinging. very loud and then started swinging at the audience. you know what? the audience swung back. and i thought it was very, very appropriate. he was swinging. he was hitting people. and the audience hit back. and that's what we need. a little bit more of. now, i'm not talking about just a protestors. this was a guy who should not have been allowed to do what he did. frankly, if you want to know the truth, the police were very, very restrained. the police have been amazing, but the police were very, very restrained. okay. yes? >> mr. trump, did the rnc ever come to you and i don't know if you know about the other candidates, but did they ever come to you and say this debate needs to be -- >> no, they didn't. >> they did not? why do you think it was? >> i just think it was time. it was time. very substantive last night. i said before, a very elegant debate. vir substantive. ben came in, a beautiful debate.
gotten great reviews as a debate. i won't tell people i won, even though i did win, let me just say. i repews to say that, "time" magazine, 80, slate, 84. fox, 91%, fox. i don't believe it. new jersey.com -- so, we in a debate last night and i think i did what i had to do. i don't know. we've had enough debates, in my opinion. these debates have been, like -- like vince mcmahon should have put them on because they were wwe, and too much. i think that it really -- i think last night was something that was very important. that it come off like that, and we didn't speak -- and the candidates didn't speak about it, but it short of morphed into a very dignified debate. yes? >> mr. trump -- >> go ahead, sir. >> you said in the debate last night you haven't decided whether you'll accept for the general election. >> accept what? >> whether you'll raise money
for the general election. >> yeah. >> if you go that route doesn't it undermine your pledge to voters -- >> i don't think so. i wouldn't be taking money. if anything the party would take money. i'm not taking money. i don't want money, but the party might take money. it's up to the party. that's up to them. not me. something i haven't given much thought to. i self-funded my campaign. i put in, i guess for $50 million, $60 million. i am somebody that's a business pers person -- the money is sort of irrelevant but i have a natural instinct to be a little careful with money. that's the way i am, the way we have to be with our country. i expect to have, you know, tremendous amounts of money in this by the time we finish. i guess right now, into, you would know betser than me, maybe $30 million, maybe more. others are in for $150 million and nowhere. they're out of the race. i'm very proud of the race we've woo run. somebody said, he's only been doing this eight months, but i know the system better than
anybody, and the reason i know, because i was on the other side of the system. when they talk about campaign finance laws all these different things i've been there and know it better and from the real side. not from the politician's side. yes? >> mr. trump, i want to go back -- i want to go back to the, what major asked and tom asked about what dr. carson said this morning on the radio and here about the two donald trumps. so many people know and like you because of your public persona. is that the real donald trump or something we don't see? >> well, it's an interesting question. i don't like to over analyze myself. but i will tell you that i try and be, you know, who i am. i want to be honest. certain questions are asked of me and i give a straight answer as opposed to politically collect answer. i know the politically correct answer better than anybody. >> would you answer differently in private? >> i don't think so. i answer truthfully. we're at a point we have to start being truthful with the country. like the question on islam.
i'm answering the question. i know the exact answer. i could have given an answer the other night to anderson cooper, perfect, nobody would have talked about it works have been fine but there is a problem. and we've got to find out what the problem is. we have to solve the problem. you're not going to solve the problem unless you know there is a problem. so i want to answer questions honestly and forthrightly, and even if i'm -- on a big stage with all of these tremendous numbers of cameras around i have to answer honestly. the only way we're going to solve the difficulties of our country. yes, go ahead. >> mr. trump, just along the same lines, so why are there two donald trumps? did you at some point make a conscious decision to behave differently in public for -- >> i don't think there are two donald trumps. i think there's one donald trump but you have certainly, look, all of this and you have somebody else that sits and reads and thinks, and i'm a thinker and have been a thinker and perhaps people don't think of me that way because you don't see knee that forum but i am a
thinker. very nice what ben said, actually, because it is another side of me. i'm a very deep thinker. i know what's happening. okay? >> -- start seeing more of that side of you? elaborate a little on that? >> i'm going to work with ben on so many different things, and -- i'll be honest, when i was with ben yesterday the thing that most impressed me, i know all about his views on health care because i've heard them and i've always felt he knew more about it than the other people on the stage, and perhaps he should, because that was what he was doing. but i was most impressed with his views on education. it's a strength. and it's a tremendous strength. and so ben's going to be involved with us in any aspect he wants to be but in particular on those two subjects. okay? yes. >> more of the, this toned down version what we saw last night with dr. carnes referring to as your cerebral side. do you plan to tone down your performances as --
>> depends. you can't say. i didn't go there as a toned down person. i went and whatever happens happens. you have to be able, to swing with the punches and to be honest with you, i went there, i didn't know if i was going to be -- if i was hit i would have hit back. now, there are those people that said to me, i was telling ben yesterday, those people that said, it doesn't matter. let them call you names. let them do whatever they want. stand there and take it. you're leading. you've got a substantial lead. nobody's going to beat you. don't do anything. and i said, i can't do that. when somebody hits, i have to hit back. so i thought they were very respectful yesterday. i thought frankly everybody did well. i thought it was, you know, i used the expression. i thought it was a very elegant debate last night. go ahead. >> mr. trump you said earlier you felt we had enough debates. there is potentially another debate scheduled on march 21st. is your suggestion to the rnc, guys, we've had enough? >> i think we've had enough
debates. how many times do you have to give the same answer to the same question? do you agree with that ben? same question, say people, sail everything. night to finish off with this one. i thought cnn did a fantastic job that jake was a great moderator. it was just -- it was just a really nice way to finish off the debate season, but i thought -- i really think it's enough debates. i don't think there's in reason for the debates. i know they're getting very big ratings. by the way, democrats are not getting ratings at all and our debates are getting very, very big ratings, but, you know, one of those things. i think we had enough. the net -- look, the networks want them. i don't think any of the candidates want them at this point. the networks very much want them. >> a phrase you've been rusing last several days on the trails and interview, embrace it. you were asked about that earlier. as you move forward now and as the contests start to limit, what are you going to do? are you going to find yourself surrounding yourselves with more
people endorsing you, speaking on your behalf? >> when i said embrace i was saying the republican party should come together and embrace these millions of people going down and voting. millions. south carolina, new hampshire. no matter where it is, the millions and millions of people. we've had -- i was going to bring down a list and i didn't want to bore you. states are up 102% from four years ago. 102%. something is happening that's beautiful to see. and these are people in many cases, as i said last night, these are people that have never voted. ben, i have people coming up, they said -- i'm talking about 40, 50, 60, 70 years old. so many people. mr. trump, i've never voted before and have a trump shirt on. i mean, they never put a political shirt on in their lives. they weren't political people. they never had confidence in the people that they were voting for and said -- i have had -- literally, when i shake hands with people or when i sign autographs, people are saying, i've never voted before, mr.
trump. but i am so proud to be voting and some go early voting. it's been an amazing thing. what i said to the republican party, the establishment, if there is such a thing. i guess i used to be a member of the establishment eight months ago, but if there is such a thing -- i'm not sure that there is -- i said embrace it. instead of are fighting it, fighting me like these people from club for growth. these are people that came to my office, asked for $1 million. i said, who are they? i don't even know who they are. asked me for $1 million. i said, well, let me think about it. then i found out who they are. i'm not wasting $1 million. why give them a million? soon as i said that, they started doing negative ads. if i would have given them $1 million they wouldn't be doing this. they're extortionists. negative ads, all wrong. they are lies by the way. that's what you have. we should embrace it, the republican party should grab this, and we will have a
victory, like the prrepublican party has never had before. one of the things ben and i were talking about. i will win michigan, not in the playbook for the frrepublican party. i think i'll win new york. can you match jn six states to win, florida, virginia, you know, go down the line. pennsylvania. ohio. you have to win certain states. if you lose one of them it's over for the republican party. the structure. structurally it's much more difficult for somebody to get elected from the republican party. everybody knows that. with me, i add a lot of states that aren't even in play for anybody else. i mean, i add all of the rust belt states. i own states that -- i will get states that are unbelievable. that are unthinkable for the republican party. and we should embrace it. all right. a couple more and we'll -- >> you said dr. carson would handle education for you. here in florida worried about common core, came in a few years
ago. it's up to states to handle that. how would dr. cars don something about the issue a lot people have about -- >> ben knows the education knows what it's going on. i ammo posed to common core i like local education. ben feels very much the same way, and i think ben is going to do a tremendous service for helping the states, because, you know, we want to see it. there's great love in education. when you circle those schools with the parents and the teachers and everything else, instead of a bureaucrat in washington, you're going to do a lot better. okay? >> any -- [ inaudible ] -- majority leader mcconnell? >> i have not yet. i'm sure i will, but i have not yet. >> what is your reaction to the news that mitch mcconnell has been advising vulnerable senate republicans on, you know, running away from you, if you were the nominee? >> i'm sure that will change. yeah? >> do you think that the republican party leadership, those that are in washington right now, are disconnected from the republican base, the
electorate? is that who you are seeing as maybe potentially dividing, uniting the electorate against party leadership? >> it's true. a big diskkz between the so-called leadership. i don't even know what the leadership is. i can't define it. nobody knows what it is. a big connect between the so-called leadership and the people, but the people to me are much more important. thamp the ones doing the voting. that's why i'm standing up here and others aren't. >> what don't they understand? >> the republican party lost its way. lost two elections they should have won. certainly the last election they absolutely should have won, easily. in my opinion much easier than the one coming up and they lost. so the republican party lost its way. the republican party now, something has happened, call it a miracle, call it whatever you want to do, but they're talking about it all over the world. the biggest story in all of politics. one of the big stories of the world. the millions and millions of people that are pouring into the
republican party. not to the democrats, to the republican party. and these are people that were disenfranchised, people that haven't had a pay increase in 20 years. these are people that have seen their jobs go to china. and to mexico. and to japan. and to vietnam. and to every other country in the world but us. it's going to all end. it's going to end. >> what will will you say -- >> believe me, it's going to end. >> get to the general election, democrats what will you say to them? >> one of the things -- let me tell you about the democratic voters, as you said. democrat voters. i will tell you, one of the things we're going to do is, we are going to get so many -- it's already proven's so many democrats have come and signed registration forms for the primaries where they're voting for me. they laughed. they said they've never done this in their lives. they had an expression, democrats, for reagan years ago. we're going to have democrats for trump. much bigger. get tremendous numbers of democrats. i have people in hollywood,
friends of mine saying everybody out there is voting for you but they're not going to admit. it why? aren't you proud? no bp becau no. because i have a tough stance on crime, on borders. they all know i'm right. they're liberal people, don't want to admit it, but they're going to vote for trump. >> -- recently acknowledged this would come down to the convention? if it comes down to a convention fight what's your campaign doing? >> i think we'll do it without a convention. i hope we'll do it without going into the convention without having a fight but i feel and said it strongly, whoever has the most delegates at the end of this trip should win. >> -- prepare for the possibility -- >> well, i'll prepare. i'm hoping to prepare. ohio should be great for me, because they're losing tremendous numbers of jobs. you've seen what's happened with the coal industry in ohio. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i think i'll beat john kasich. yeah. he's been an absentee governor. campaigning for the last -- he lived in new hampshire. in fact, chris christie said
that absolutely john kasich was there much more than him, which is true. and john kasich then went, as you know, to other states, different states. very big in south carolina. he was there. he didn't win. didn't win in new hampshire. right? didn't win in michigan. he guaranteed michigan. he said, i will win michigan, and i thought he said, you could correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought if said if i don't win michigan i'd drop out because michigan is his neighboring state, and i won michigan in a landslide, and he was living there. so john has been, you know, not really there, and john's got some innate problems. he's very much in favor of trans-pacific partnership. p. tpp. that will be the destruction of ohio. now that oil is down, ohio got luck you because they struck oil and the budget went up higher than any other budget in the united states. higher than any other budget. they got lucky because oil was under their ground as opposed to
states where they don't have the oil. now that prices of oil are down, ohio's going to have a lot of problems. maybe one or two more. go ahead. >> just to be clear you won't be in salt lake city on march 21st for this next debate? >> i din know we had a next debate. i thought it was last night. yet another -- look, a ratings bow nance bonanza. i would be debates if networks agreed to give all of the money say to the wounded warriors or to the veterans. networks are making a fortunen these debates. ratings for the debates are through the roof. can i be honest, it's time to end the debates. no. i didn't know about a debate in salt lake city. yeah? >> clarify, you've been hearing mostly from republicanants like paul ryan. have you pernt lypersonally rea to anybody in the republican party? >> i'd rather not say but hearing by virtually everybody in the republican party and
they're congratulating me saying we're going to get together. these are not stupid people. they're very smart people. they want to embrace. what are they going to do? take millions of the voters -- look at the polls. i went to nevada, we won. all of them. the people that work in the polling areas, they've been there 20 25shgs years, they love it. they do it. they're political people. every single time i go they say, mr. trump, we've nerve every seen anything like this. go to nevada, we'd stand here and the place would be empty all morning long and mnow lines fiv blocks long. yes, ma'am, absolutely. go ahead. >> last night on the debate stage you said trade is an area you diverge -- the republican party. >> very much so. >> discussed a lot in the context of ohio. how would you differ on trade from hillary clinton? >> well, hillary's terrible on trade. no business instincts, doesn't have the energy or strength to get the right deals done.
you need strength, stamina, a lot to get these deals come. they come at you in ways. to do these deals where they wrap them up, put 12 countries in one, tpp as an example, i want individual trade deals with individual countries. some deals we'll make will be so good. some countries treat us better than others. some are worse. china will take advantage of tpp. it's not in it now, but believe me, they will come through the back door. they're watching it so closely. i have so many friends in china. i have great respect for china. i'm not angry at china. i'm angry at our people. we have a trade deficit with china this year, $500 become. it's unsustainable. we're going to change our trade deals, make grade deals. going to become a rich nation again. we cannot become a great nation until we are rich again. we can't afford social security, we can't afford anything. i'm going to save social security. there are so many things we can do it's going to go quickly, too. okay yes?
>> a quick question about dr. carson, your addition to ten doors mr. trump over senator cruz. you were open to endorsing one of the two. why not senator cruz? >> well, first of all, we had a lot of excellent candidates. i think any of the 17 candidates who were running could have done a fine job. but one of the real factors for me is what will happen if we allow the political operatives to succeed in their endeavor to stop donald trump? i think it would fracture the party irreparably and hand the election to the democrats, and they would get the picks in the supreme court and america would be forever changed. that's the big picture. it's a very big picture. it's not about me. it's not about mr. trump.
it's about america. >> why not senator cruz, ultima ultimately? because i feel that mr. trump is willing to do what needs to be done to break the strangle hold of special interest groups, and the political class. >> are there any remaining hard feelings towards senator cruz over what happened in iowa? >> i've completely forgiven him. that's a duty one has as a christian. >> dr. carson -- >> you said throughout your life god has led you to your most important decisions. this truly is an important decision. did god lead you to donald trump? >> i prayed about it a lot, and i got a lot of indications, people calling me that i haven't talked to for a long time saying, i had this dream about you and donald trump -- i mine, just amazing things. but i also -- tend to think that the way god speaks to you is by giving you wisdom, and that
wisdom seems to me that if we allow this attempt to disrupt the will of the people to be successful, it will fracture the party in an irreparable way, and that will hand the election to people who, i personally believe, would destroy our country. and the reason i say that is because, you know, hillary clinton was a great friend of sol wilensky. on a first-name basis when him as a student. he wrote the book "rooms for radicals" and if you haven't read it, i recommend that you read it, and see the kinds of things that are recommended to change, fundamentally change, this nation from the great success we have to a socialist country. and the dedication page of that book says, dedicated to loo ed . i don't want anything to do with
anything like that. >> you talk and burying the hatchet. did you have any kind of conversation with mr. trump like that with senator ted cruz? and did he ask you for your endorsement? >> he did not >> he did not specifically ask for an endorsement, but he did apologize, he said -- he wasn't really aware of what was going on. he didn't agree with it. >> reporter: dr. carson, you said you were endorsing we the people. it sounds as if that interval of time you'vel involved and the central focus, the effort to stop donald trump is what motivated you to endorse him. is it his qualities or the movement against him that put you where you are? >> it's about we the people. we need to empower the people. that is not going to be done through politics as usual, be
that republican politics as usual or be that democrat politics as usual. it requires somebody who's is bit of an iconoclast, but someone who has the ability to listen and to make wise decisions. >> reporter: dr. carson, do you think that going back to what mr. trump said, you have a lot of evangelicals that come out, and they were there when i was there, do you think that people will be representative of the american people, and do you think you can help bridge the gap with evangelicals and people of color now that you're endorsing mr. trump? >> i hope we can bridge the gap with everybody. all the policies i have ever talked about and mr. trump is going to be on board with this too. we talk about things that are good for everybody, not for this group or that group. the whole concept of picking and choosing winners and losers is
something that i think is antithetical to what we believe, don't you? and that is simply not -- would not happen with a trump administration. we would be looking at ways to do things that benefit all americans, that create an equal playing field. equality of opportunity. that's what we're looking for. and that doesn't mean that we're not sensitive to people who are downtrodden. in fact, we're very sensitive to people who are downtrodden, and we'll be putting in place things that will allow those people to ascend. many people have been placed in a position of dependency for generations. they don't even recognize what's going on. we have to change that. >> reporter: dr. carson, what are you doing to reverse the situation? [ question inaudible ]
>> i'll let mr. trump answer that question. >> reporter: do you see a future for yourself in politics, and even if there was no promise in this endorsement, would you be interested in serving in a potential trump administration? >> i'm interested in saving america. my concern is our posterity. all the people coming after us. and we are destroying any possibility of the american dream to them with the policies that we're doing. i would be very interested in helping to achieve the goal of saving america and making it great absolutely. >> reporter: you talk about mr. trump, two donald trumps, the one in public and the one in private. does that worry you for the american voters? should the voters know that second donald trump, and as that relates to you and mr. trump have sparred on a number of
issues whether it's muslim database or religion. are we seeing a second dr. carson with this endorsement? >> i don't think so. but my point being that there's a different persona. some people have gotten the impression that donald trump is this person who is not malleable, who does not have the ability to listen and to take information in and to make wise decisions, and that's not true. now, you might get that impression from looking at debates and looking at some of the public appearances, but he's much more cerebral than that and a much more reasonable person than comes across. but as you well know, because you've heard me talk about it a lot, the media, they're very skillful at painting people
certain ways, and it may not be who that person is at all, and that person can spend all their time trying to change the media or they can just move ahead. i think he's decided he's just going to move ahead and focus the attention on the american people, not so much on the media. i think that's the right way to do it. >> reporter: will you be hitting the campaign trail with him? >> we'll do some campaigning together. and the last question. >> reporter: you said you would be interested in being a part of a potential trump administration. have you been promised a v.p. spot in exchange for this endorsement? >> we have not talked about a role other than being involved and helping formulate policies and trying to make america great. that's the real key. and as was said by many, it is great, but the it is nowhere
near as great as it can be, and a lot of the things that are in place and that have been in place and growing over the last few decades have led us to a place of incredible stagnation. we don't need to be there. and if we, once again, begin to embrace those policies that will create the atmosphere for entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment, you will see an explosion like nothing you've ever seen before. we simply haven't been doing that. i don't think it's going to be that hard, and i don't think mr. trump thinks it's going to be that hard either. >> so, thank you all very much. thank you very much. great honor, and go outside. we have coffee and drinks. enj enjoy yourselves. thank you. >> all right. we're going to wrap this up. you heard donald trump say it, and you heard ben carson's endorsement. big headlines out of this news conference.
perhaps the biggest, mr. trump says no more debates. perhaps the second biggest headline, it's a whole new image for mr. trump, a much more cerebral one. as ben carson put it, he wants to portray himself as a wig thinker. he says there are two donald trumps, and one donald trump we're not so familiar with apparently. i want to bring in a trump supporter and a cnn political commentator and ted cruz supporter. amanda, i will start with you. what do you make of this? >> well, i sort of wonder if dr. ben carson is following the curse of other trump endorsers who are used for a day and september off to pasture. ben carson standing up and saying there are two donald trumps, as if this is a good thing that's going to sell well with voters is a mistake. i know trump can say i am malleable, which i also think is
a bad move, but saying i can make deals and be nice. this is the new donald trump. that's a really hard sell. ben carson didn't do him any favors with that speech today. >> let's talk about the optics of this for a second. i noticed that dr. ben carson did not stand behind donald trump at all while donald trump was behind the podium, and donald trump didn't even go onto the stage when dr. carson was announcing his endorsement. that's in contrast to when sarah palin offered her endorsement and chris christie offered his endorsement. i think we have pictures of that. there you see chris christie stood behind donald trump as he spoke. dr. carson, it appeared to me anyway, that he completely left the stage so that he would not be in camera range so he would not stand beside donald trump. scottie, that had to be on purpose. >> i don't know. i think we might be reading too much into it right now. if you're going to sit there and think that they're staging these
press conferences now, you're going to have to admit the strategy among this campaign from the beginning. honestly, you don't know. these people are not politicians. they don't have these things scripted. they don't have everything going along. they're going with the flow. >> but was it accident? if i just endorsed someone, i'm going to stand behind them to show america that i'm with him all the way. that didn't happen, at least optically in this press conference. >> well, i think also the idea is that these people are still individuals. they're not necessarily -- he's adding support. that doesn't mean he's going to have to agree 100 % or not agree. that's what's great about this campaign season. you're seeing folks go together who maybe before enemies before and working together. and that's what this is. now, when you're talking about dr. carson today, i think what you cannot sit there after listening to what he said and not know he's 100% behind mr. trump and happy with that decision, and that both of them are on the same board. just a few weeks ago they were opponents, and dr. carson still
good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. donald trump reels in a big endorsement. minutes ago here, one time rival, dr. ben carson, officially throwing his support behind drump. that could give the republican front runner a big boost among the gop base and conservatives. it's kind of a surprising choice given trump's nasty attacks on carson. he called him pathological, and because of his shared
evangelical roots with ted cruz. let's listen to a bit of the announcement. >> we buried the hatchet. that was political stuff. and that happens in american politics. the politics of personal destruction, all that. it's not something that i particularly believe in or anything that i get involved in. but i do recognize that it is a part of the process. we move on because it's not about me. it's not about mr. trump. it's about america. >> it is politics. it's tough stuff. it's a tough business. i used to think real estate in manhattan was tough, this is, like, this is a tough business, this politics. a lot of things happen in politics that don't happen anywhere else. we understand that. >> all right. both men saying this is just politics. in fact, dr. ben carson, sara murray said i have to forgive him. that's what a christian would do. remind us with donald trump said
of dr. carson not so long ago. >> reporter: well, that's right. there were some harsher words exchanged between them. at one point donald trump compared his persona to that of a child molester. donald trump talked today about how important the endorsement was to him, though. >> when ben called he didn't say, would you do this or that. he just wants to help. and he feels strongly about what's happening, and you see the kind of crowds we get. we get crowds that are amazing, record setting. i don't think there's ever been anything like it. it's on the cover of every magazine. there's never been anything like it. ben sees that and is going to have a big, big part. maybe ben doesn't know this yet, but he's going to have a big part. we want to keep that kind of talent. >> reporter: the two of them said they buried the hatchet. ben carson told us he would be interested in a position in a
donald trump administration, although he said they did not talk specifically about the vp. the other thing is donald trump came on this stage essentially acting as if he was about to become the nominee and saying i am done with debates. we have answered enough questions. the candidates have appeared on stage enough together. as of right now the rnc has a debate scheduled for later in march in salt lake city, and based on trump's comments, it does not sound like he's interested in appearing in the debate. it's possible that last night will be the last time we saw the republican candidates on stage together. >> i only find that interesting because he called last night's debate elegant because the candidates talked about policy, right? and he said he wants to introduce people who a very cerebral, intellectual donald trump. so why doesn't he want to participate in a debate about issues so people can see that side of him? >> reporter: one of the interesting things donald trump said was the debate was good for
the republican party. it was something the republican party needed. i think that's what a number of officials felt like after we saw the debate in detroit where they were exchanging childish insults. i think everyone in the republican party wanted a moment to give these candidates a chance to rehabilitate their images and rise to the challenge and talk about some of the issues voters care about. the debate stage is a place to do that. but i think from donald trump's perspective, he feels like he's already shared enough of that air time with other candidates. he feels like he can go out and get his stump speeches and if he wants to talk more about policy on the trail, he can do it there. it was clear today he doesn't have a lot of interest in returning to the debate stage. >> all right. sara murray, thanks to you. with me to talk about more, margaret hoover and also adrianna cohen, and dana bash
will join us in a minute. she was seated in the press conference, so she has to get to a microphone. i'll start with you, margaret. there are two donald trumps. one is the, i guess the aggressive guy we see on stage, and the aggressive person we see in debates, and the other is the intellectual behind the scenes. did you get that? >> maybe there's more than two donald trumps, carol. at this point, frankly, i don't know. i don't know who donald trump is. i'm a republican, a life-long republican. i stand for principles of the republican party, and there's not a lot in donald trump that i recognize. so regardless of -- i think it's fair to say he is somebody on tv, and he's probably somebody else not on tv. he probably is a caricature, and i think he is representing significant gripes and grievances that republican voters have. i think they see him as a vehicle for that voice and those grievances. but do i think he actually is
that person? no, i don't. i think he's a phony who has gotten in the chair. we've been asleep at the wheel in the republican party and he's driving the train. look, maybe he is more calculated behind the scenes. i wish in the private moments he would think about what he's saying publicly. there are grave consequences to his words. words mean something, last i checked, and if you're going to be the leader of the free world, you have to think deeply and carefully about what you're saying and communicating. everybody is listening, and you can't just walk back everything you say. you can't twist and spin it. >> but, adrianna, let's talk about words and how they matter. donald trump says calling ben carson a child molester was politics. ben carson actually forgave him for that. he said he was impressed after he called ben carson pathological and a child molester, that ben fought back with a silence and strength that he greatly admired and that's why he wanted his endorsement
today. that kind of doesn't make much sense. if he admired the silence and strength, why does he go on insulting people? >> well, i think donald trump was trying to make the point in that in politics there's a lot of mud slinging that goes on the parties. we see it with republicans and democrats. politics can get down and dirty. behind the scenes, i think most republicans, including donald trump, respect and admire dr. ben carson. that's why i think his endorsement will be pivotal in this race. by ben carson getting on the trump train, that will unite the party and send a signal to all the evangelicals, take a look at this guy, join us, as well as the undecideds. the timing was critical leading into tuesday with all the big delegates at stake. >> dana bash is in place. mr. trump wants to introduce the other donald trump, and he doesn't want to do that by
partaking in any more debates. but if you listen to his policies last night, dana, when he was talking about them at the debate, he didn't really sound like a republican. i mean, he assailed free trade agreements, pledged not to cut things like social security. he wanted to take a neutral stance in negotiations with srl israel and the palestinian authority. those aren't republican talking points. >> a lot of them aren't. i think it's more proof that he is -- if you look at the republican spectrum, he is definitely more on the populous side of the republican spectrum. his opponents would argue -- they do argue that he showed some of his colors of kind of his former self, his former political self, that it wasn't that long ago that he had been advocating more traditional, even liberal ideas on health care. and across the board.
but i think at the end of the day, the big question is -- well, let me say this. we know that the people who are his rock solid supporters in the republican electorate, it doesn't seem to matter to them. it's hard to believe that there's anything that any of donald trump's opponents can say and beyond to change their minds. you've had rubio calling him a con man. you've had jeb bush calling him a fake conservative, and on down. certainly the donor class of the republican party, they are spending money, finally, to try to put more meat on that bone, and explain why he's from their perspective, a fraud. but at this point in time where he is right now which is trying to gobble up as many republican delegates as he can, the answers to those questions, carol, it doesn't seem to really matter very much to the people who are going out and voting for him in droves, and that's just the
bottom line. it's so frustrating to the traditional republicans who are used to having to be pure on all of those issues, but it's just not the same in this year and with donald trump as the candidate. >> okay. just going back for just a second to dr. ben carson, because margaret, mr. trump says he wants to involve dr. ben carson heavily in his education policies, but as far as i know, ben carson isn't an expert in educational policies. he's a neurosurgeon. does that make sense to you? >> no. it would make a lot of sense for ben carson to be a -- the surgeon general of a trump administration or to advise on obama care or how to revise obama care, make it better, transcend it, repeal it. education makes no sense. it's a passion interest. he cares about education. we all care about a lot of issues. if you're putting together a team to run the united states of america, you want to best and the brightest in every field to advise you. now, to be fair, we all know how the campaigns work.
as soon as somebody comes in and says they're endorsing, mr. trump is grateful for the endorsement. he's going to say how would you like to help, and if he says education, great, what's donald trump going to say? nope. can't have you there. they're beginning to work together. it's unclear that ben carson would be the secretary of education in a trump administration, although as we get further down the line, we'll get to know. but what dana said is right. it doesn't matter what we talk about on the policies. it doesn't matter that donald trump probably learns everything he knows about cuba on rubio's question last night, and on issue after issue, he's proven he's ill informed. it doesn't matter. even if he loses florida and ohio -- ted cruz on the flip side would have to win 70% of the remaining delegates if he loses ohio and florida. this train is going in one direction, and what republicans need to think really seriously
about is does donald trump represent the republican party that they think they're part of and that can be a competitive party in the future? and if not, what do we do? >> all right. i have to leave it there. >> i think they do. >> i have to leave it there. thanks to all of you. still to come in the news room, a democratic blitz ahead of tuesday's primary. who's making the right moves? we'll talk about that next.
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ohio once again looms large in presidential politics over a legal fight over who should be allowed to vote in the state of ohio. the campaign for democrat, bernie sanders, who is wildly popular among young voters has filed a federal lawsuit against the ohio secretary of state. it accuses the republican of changing a law that allows 17-year-olds to vote if they turn 18 years of age before the general election in november. ohio secretary of state, john houston joins me live from columbus. welcome, sir. >> great to be with you, thanks. >> thanks for being here. mr. secretary, you say you're
happy to be sued. why? >> well, because it's important that we clear these issues up. 17-year-olds can vote in ohio, but they're just limited on the issues that they can vote on. they can vote in nominating processes, but they can't vote in final elections. any time you're electing a person. in a presidential primary process, the law says and tradition has been this way in ohio, that you can't vote if you're 17 because you're actually electing a delegate. you're not nominating a candidate. and because of that, the law has been very clear, democrats and republicans have enforced it the same way, but the sanders' campaign filed a lawsuit seven days before the election. when you do something like that, to me, it's just a pure political act, and -- but i'm happy to clear this up. >> let me ask you this question. if 17-year-olds in ohio voted the way bernie sanders says they should vote in the past?
>> no, they have not. and we have democrats and republicans who have run elections a lot longer than i have coming out and speaking up and saying, look, what's happening in ohio now is the same way it's always happened. this is my sixth year as secretary of state. i ran the last presidential primary process. this is exactly the way we did it then. >> so this law, in ohio that regulates 17-year-olds voting that regulates how 17-year-olds -- it's been on the books for 35 years. why hasn't it clarified before this point? >> it's never been a controversy. when something has been done in the same manner for that long, it's not a controversy. we voted for 21 days before the sanders' campaign raised an eyebrow about it. this is a last-minute kind of political act to try to draw attention to his campaign, i assume. >> you think that bernie sanders is playing politics with this
because they want to win the state of ho sno. >> -- ohio. >> when you're focussed on ohio elections, these kinds of things happened. 11th hour lawsuits are something we've come to expect, come to -- it's just the way it works, but it's a tragedy that's happening, pause what i'm worried about, i don't want 17-year-olds to be confused. they can vote, but they can't vote on every issue. >> that is confusing, though. don't you think that's confusing? because i'm confused by it. >> well, you want to know something? as secretary of state, i was confused by it as well. but we have to follow the law to the letter, because let's see this through. >> other issues are very important, so why allow -- if 17-year-olds can't vote for a presidential candidate or for a nominee, then why can they vote for other issues in the state of ohio? aren't they justs