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all right, we have to leave it there. appreciate it very much. i'll be back, 5:00 p.m. eastern, in "the situation room." for our international viewers, "amanpour" is next. for our viewers in north america, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for starting your week with us here. we begin of course with europe. europe on edge. the terror web expanding as the hunt intensifies for those responsible for the attacks in belgium. now told at least eight people are on the run, suspected in the attacks in both brussels and in paris. raids now spreading across, look at this, four countries now, nine people taken in for questioning just this past weekend. three of them are charged with helping terrorists. and breaking today, a big setback. investigators letting one suspect go.
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the known as, but now they say there is not enough evidence to keep him. belgian authorities releasing the first video of the three airport suspects. police apparently still have no clue who this man in the white jacket is or where he ran off to. let's begin with our colleague alexander fields. she is live in brussels. where to begin with all the raids and the arrests over the weekend or the woops with letting this guy go? >> yes, let's start with that. people are wondering what was the evidence against him that would compel prosecutors to charge him with these very serious charges, terrorist murder, attempted terrorist murder. what kind of evidence did they think they had? why wouldn't that evidence hold up with the magistrate who reviewed the case and decided to let him go? these are the most serious charges we've seen given to any of the suspects who have been
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rolled up in these raids happening across europe. authorities directly linked this man to the brussels attacks, however, they did not specify what exact role he had had in the attacks. when they raided his residence on thursday, they didn't find weapons, didn't find explosives, but they took him into custody, announced the charges on saturday, and now today, fisfis "c," being released. it just means they are being investigated. and if authorities find there isn't enough evidence, well, that doesn't mean that they will then proceed with those charges. in this case, it means that fisel "c" has been released, much to people's surprise, given the gravity of those charges. >> tell me about these three who were arrested yesterday. now we have arrests spanning four countries. >> right, you've got these raids that have been happening, you
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know, not just since these attacks in brussels in the last week but really since the attacks that unfolded in paris back in november. over the weekend, we it see 13 raids in brussels. they picked up nine people. three of them now facing charges related to terror activities. we don't know if those are linked to the brussels attacks. police are looking for everyone who could have knowledge of the plots that unfolded and also looking for anyone who could be planning something in the future, not just in brussels but across europe. the key here, what investigators are really glued in on here, is finding the people who may have been involved in that brussels attack. we know there was the picture of the third man at the airport. that's the third suspected bomber, the person in the hat, who we are now seeing video of. police have never publicly been able to identify him. we know they're looking for him. they're also looking for somebody who was seen in the metro station holding a bag. they believe he could have been the second possible attacker down in the metro station. so a major manhunt continuing in
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this city and well beyond for two possible bombing suspects, brooke. >> alexandra field, thank you, my friend, live in brussels, belgium. police are desperate to find those eight terror suspects. those names are listed on the security bulletin shared amongst several european security agencies. i have cnn contributor tim lister. he is there in europe. and cnn military analyst lieutenant general mark hertling. on alex's point, can you tell us more about, you know, we know the belgiums arrested the man they thought perhaps was the white jacketed would-be bomber, charged him friday. a government official on twitter essentially called him a terrorist before the dna confirmed it was not him. what do you make of that? >> i think the prosecutors here are embarrassed. they really threw the book at this guy. they charged him with terrorist
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murder, attempted terrorist murder, association with a terrorist group, and three days later, a judge lets him walk free. so how strong was the evidence? was it basically all they had. the taxi driver thought he identified him correctly as one of his passengers who he took to the airport that morning. will they drop the charges? it's not clear the charges have been dropped, it's just the judge says the evidence is insufficient to keep him in custody, so that is an extraordinary development. but we are seeing continuing raids in belgium across the weekend, in rotordam. they are trying to roll up, if you like, a wider network that extended to italy. the eight suspects still at large in europe according to security bulletins circulated by the european security agencies, three of them had been in germany and holland. so this just goes on expanding, brooke. >> general, about how three
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people were arrested in raids yesterday, i'm curious, what would make these young impressionable men now behind bars? why would they talk? >> well, first of all, there's a lot of pressure and secondly, it's their opportunity to talk. but, brooke, i'll go back to your question about evidence processing. you're talking about various levels of policing going on in europe. we've had experience with this. we captured several terrorist cells and helped local governments prosecute them when i was commander in europe. but it caused us to force different levels of government to come together. you have the local police. you have the federal police. you have the counterterrorism police. and some countries, of the over 40 countries in europe, the capability of each country is different than the next. and then you have the language problem. so when you are talking about individuals who are fessing up when they're brought into custody, it's a challenge based on what they want to say versus
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how they're questioned. and how they feel they might be treated. so all of those things are contributing to this very confused situation in many of the countries in europe. >> so, and i've had so many conversations about this, and belgium in particular has been heavily criticized for multiple reasons but, tim, i mean, in the wake of -- last time saw you, we were in paris in november. did, in the wake of those highly orchestrated terror attacks, were changes on the way? >> yes, changes are being made. they're not being made quick enough. they're trying to make them on a europewide basis. you're talking about 600 different agencies and jurisdictions that somehow have to be brought together in a sort of commandant ta base or way to better communicate. you've got better communication now. they see the urgency of the situation. they have the same problem. they share this influx of jihadists that uses both countries at its will.
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you've seen a lot of belgium cooperation. begin to tackle a french network which was supposedly on the verge of carrying out another terrorist attack in france. the arrests started in france last thursday. two in belgium, one in holland. so there is progress. the progress is only as good as the human intelligence allows it to be. there's a long way to go on that. especially here in belgium. >> brooke, if i can add -- >> please, general, go ahead. >> if i can add to that, it's not just the intelligence piece, there has to be the will to drive the intelligence. you can have analysts gathering information and a bunch of criminalologists finding evidence. but unless you have someone in charge over multiple states, multiple countries, multiple federal agencies and state agencies, unless you have one person driving that, that cre e creates a challenge. so someone who might have challenge in italy or germany can't drive it in belgium. if you have evidence in paris, it can't be used in the netherlands. and so on.
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that's the challenge that you face in the countries, with the languages in europe. >> that is the crux of so much of this. general hertling, thank you. tim lister, thank you. we're getting some breaking news into cnn. a high-rise rescue under way now in houston, texas. crews are trying to free workers trapped on the 20th floor of a building. we're told there was some kind of electrical outage. no word when the power will be restored. we'll keep a close eye on these two and make sure they get down to the ground safely here. coming up next, a bomber targeting christian families on easter inside a park. many of the victims, children. parents pushing their kids on swings. see who is responsible for this horror. plus, they went missing nearly two years ago. kidnapped nigerian schoolgirls are being used as suicide bombers. i'll talk to one young woman who managed to escape.
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. it was a sbripring day, celebrag easter, innocent children taking turns an end joying rides at the park, running, laughing, being kids. and then without warning a blast. a suicide bomber targeting them because of their religion. now, 24 children, along with dozens more, have lost their lives. hundreds are injured. many of them clinging to life in pakistan. this horrifying attack just another around the world in recent days. one in a busy shopping district in istanbul. another in an iraqi soccer stadium. and of course at an airport and metro station in brussels. joining me, nic robertson. let's begin with the horrifying events in pakistan over the weekend. tell me what you know. >> it's a splinter group from the pakistani taliban.
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the packistani taliban have bee decimated by drone strikes effectively taking out the leadership but the effect has been that some of the fighters have gone off to join isis. some of them have formed more radical factions on the ground in pakistan. and this faction, jamat-ul-ahrar, have said they targeted christians here, but also in a place that is the heartland of support for the government for prime minister sharif, to send him a message, because the government has been cracking down on terrorists like them, reinstituted a program to hang terrorists. it's cracking down in the tribal areas where they're at their strongest. this is a backlash, they say, against christians and against the government to say they're not beaten and they're going to continue to fight. the beginning of a new campaign. and the hospitals there were literally overwhelmed by the numbers of dead, dying and
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injured arriving last night, brooke. >> so, you know, you talk about the splinter group there in pakistan. as you well know, you've covered so many of these conflicts around the world, the global terror threat is expanding. it's isis in iraq and syria, we're reporting later in the show a little more about boko haram in nigeria, and then there are splinter groups. my question would be, i mean, talk about the challenge for these counterterrorism officials and addressing so many brands of terror. >> you know, one of the challenges that face this kind of terrorism officials, whether nigeria, boko haram, whether it's in ankara, turkey, with isis elements there, whether it's in iraq and isis elements there, wherever these terror groups are, and this was typical of what we've seen in brussels and the network having its root in the molenbeek neighborhood and a couple of other neighborhoods where the police didn't feel they were able to go into. it's not just the terrorists
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themselves. ip it's the facilitators and parts of the community that turn a blind eye. in pakistan, that's a massive problem. because there are areas in the country that the government literally can't go into the tribal regions. there are areas that are very religiously conservative. and it's in those types of areas where authorities can't go where a conservative view of islam takes hold. where people feel disenfranchised. that isis and these real ugly terror groups like the one that struck in pakistan are going to be strongest. and that's the common thread here when you talk about tackling them. that it's not just the people and the organizations, but it's getting to the communities and breaking them away from the communities, losing that community support so that they become more isolated and easier to catch. >> nic robertson, thank you so much. coming up next, how would a president trump handle these different attacks?
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the republican front-runner giving his world view in a new interview that is definitely getting some backlash. hear why he says americans are not safe at home. plus, bernie sanders has won five of the last six contests against hillary clinton, so what is he doing now? he is challenging hillary clinton to a debate, but her campaign said, well, that depends on one thing. that's next. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back. what you do with it is up to you. tylenol®. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere.
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for bernie sanders right now, it appears he has the momentum, but does he have the
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math? clobbering hillary clinton in three western states. swept washington, alaska and hawaii, each by a massive margin of at least 40 percentage points, and now he's making a new case for how he can win. >> we are making significant inroads in secretary clinton's lead and we have -- [ cheers ] and we have, with your support coming here in wisconsin, we have a path toward victory! [ cheers ] >> let's get some response to that with hillary clinton's press secretary, brian fallon. nice to see you back on the show, brian. >> hi, brooke, how are you? >> i am excellent. let me ask you, noted just a short time ago that sanders campaign called hillary clinton a weak front-runner. they're saying that your
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delegate lead comes only not the states where she faced little or no competition. >> well, look, first i want to acknowledge they won three contests over the weekend. we tip our cap to them. there are states we expected the sanders campaign to win because there's caucus states, states that are very progressive, but it doesn't change the delegate math, and hillary clinton right now still up by 230-some odd delegates, far more than president obama ever led hillary clinton by in 2008. she leads him by more than 2.5 million votes in terms of the popular vote. in light of those numbers, you're seeing the sanders campaign start to flail as they explain what their path forward is. i think as a result, they were sort of straining to come up with arguments on this conference call they just hosted with reporters. there seems to be skepticism with reporters who were listening to it. as they mentioned, the ones they won so far were ones they didn't contest.
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like iowa, florida, ohio, nevada, massachusetts, all of which hillary clinton won after a spirited fight was put up by bernie sanders. >> on the delegate math, i hear you loud and clear, i imagine you would argue she's really the one just based upon those numbers, you know, that she would be the powerhouse candidate here. but then if that's the case, shouldn't she be winning more or at least competing a little bit more in some of these states, especially over the weekend? >> well, look, we have to make strategic decisions. we always knew there was going to be a set of states during this month that sanders was going to be favored in. looking ahead to the schedule, we also know he's probably going to target the state of wisconsin. to be frank, he's probably well positioned in that state. he won in both minnesota and michigan and wisconsin is nestled up there in that same region. it's a very progressive state. so sanders is probably going to target that state and fare well
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there too. this is a contest that is won over the course of many months in terms of who can build a delegate lead among the pledge delegates. >> let me jump in. the race is tight are without the superdelegates going your way. senator sanders is saying they'll switch sides. how do you keep them from doing that? >> well, we're confident that the elect leaders in the democratic party that are worried about the high stakes in this general election and the possibility of donald trump being elected president are going to continue to believe as they have for a long time now that hillary clinton is the best candidate democrats can put forward to take on donald trump. look, i think this is just another example of the sanders campaign having to reach to come up with arguments to justify how they have a path in the nomination. tad divine is one of the creators of the superdelegate system and he has long argued -- tad divine is a top adviser to the bernie sanders campaign. he has long argued the role of superdelegates should be to ratify the choice of the voters. the choice of the candidate that
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gets the most pledge delegates. that right now is clearly hillary clinton. that lead is going to be very hard for senator sanders to overtake. so the idea that he's now going to try to make appeals to get superdelegates to overthrow the will of the voters as expressed through the pledge delegates just shows how much they're stretching to try to come up with a justification in terms of how they have a path to victory. >> what about this debate? we know the sanders camp has challenged hillary clinton to a debate here in new york. obviously the question is will you. we heard from joe bennington earlier today, he was on cnn, cheech strategist for the clinton campaign, and he said no, there will nobody debate unless sanders changes his to en. you're saying the sanders campaign has gone negative. do you agree? do you think unless bernie sanders changes his tone, you won't debate? >> well, look, it's still only march. there's plenty of time to consider a potential debate in april and if we have one, where the sight for it would be.
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the sanders campaign sent us a letter over the weekend, which i consider to be a stunt. we're coming off a week last week where we had serious issues being debated. there was a huge contrast on display -- >> why was it a stunt? >> well, look, as i was saying, last week, you had a very important debate on national security. that hillary clinton laid down a plan to defeat isis that was true to our values. you had donald trump going around talking about closing off the borders and banning muslims from this country, bringing back torture. thing the sanders campaign is struggling a bit for attention. even in the aftermath of the three wins on sashtturday, the delegate math being what it is, people realize the sanders campaign has an uphill climb, so i think this is an attempt by them to get back on the people's radar. look, we're going to be campaigning heavily throughout new york. hillary clinton thrives in these debate settings. we have no issue with debates. think the sanders campaign is increasingly telegraphing they're going to be spending the
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next three weeks on the attack against hillary clinton. it was on display in the pages of "the washington post" on the weekend -- >> that doesn't change, you're saying no to a debate? >> there's time to consider it. we have more than three weeks between now and the new york primary so there's time to consider it. we've put together debates on shorter notice than this. we are carefully watching the fact that the sanders campaign is saying they're poll testing new lines of attack on fracing and wall street to try to campaign negatively against hillary clinton throughout new york. we don't think it will work. we think we're well positioned in new york. albeit, it will probably be a close contest. we think hillary clinton has a great deal of experience to draw upon and a lot of good will among new york democrats. we think we're in good position there. but the sanders campaign is clearly trying to create issues and run negative attacks to try to get attention in light of the fact that the delegate math is stacked against them at this point. >> ryan fallon, thank you. we'll see you back here in new york. let's take you now from the
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democrats to the republicans. ted cruz is speaking live in wisconsin. let's dip in and listen. >> -- conservatives are coming together, republicans are coming together. and when it comes to civility, there have been other candidates who have demonstrated a willingness to go to the gutter. to make personal attacks. to make sleazy attacks. i think the people -- the american people are sick of that. that has no place in politics. no candidate should be doing what donald trump did last week which is attacking my wife and attacking my family. i recognize that the favorite thing for folks in the media to cover is donald trump's latest tweet late at night. but let me give an answer for the american people. who cares? who cares what donald is tweeting late at night? we need real solutions for the real problems in this country. that's the focus of my campaign is jobs and connection growth
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and raising wages and protecting america, keeping us safe from radical islamic terrorism. i have no interest in going down in the mud with donald trump. i'm going to stay focused where the voters and where americans are focused, which is how we turn our country around and how we bring back jobs and opportunity and security to this country. >> what about his -- >> ted cruz responding to a tweet. donald trump talking about potential legal action with regard to delegate numbers out of lat the louisiana primary. we'll talk a little bit more about that next hour. ted cruz there in wisconsin. next, america's top diplomat calls donald trump's campaign embarrassing to the united states. trump responds to u.s. secretary of state john kerry, reveals his world view from nukes to oil. don't miss this. christiane amanpour joins me live. ♪
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the world according to donald trump. america first and everyone else pays. this is a brand-new interview. he lays out his vision of the world stage, should he become president of the united states. he tells "the new york times" he is not an isolationist but he says, quote, we will not be ripped off anymore. we're going to be friendly with everybody but we're not going to be taken advantage of by anybody. he went on to say that europe's not safe for americans and then took it one step further. >> don't think america's a safe place for americans. you want to know the truth. i don't think england or -- i don't think that europe is a safe place. no, i don't. i think there are a lot of
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problems in europe that are very, very severe. but neither is the united states a safe place. because we're allowing thousands of people to come in here. nobody knows where they're from. nobody knows who they are. and they're coming in here by the thousands. and let me tell you something, we're going to have problems just as big or bigger than they've got. >> well, off a plane from europe is cnn's chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. always lovely to share space with you. i wanted to have you on to talk about all these different points. to me, he was asked when america peaked, teddy roosevelt. many, many, many years ago. >> more than 100 years ago, right? >> right, 116. >> nobody would recognize that vision of america, certainly nobody overseas. america is still most richest, powerful economy in the world. so nobody recognizes that "poor me" version of america that donald trump with his make
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america great again uses as his platform. in fact there have been many editorialsn the "financial times" and others that say the sky is not falling. america is great. obviously every country has its challenges. obviously there have economic challenges around the world now. obviously there are major security challenges. be by all intents and purposes, america is at this precise moment more safe than other nations from this kind of virulent islamic terrorism. mostly because, by and large, america's muslims are much more integrated and part of the society that they've come into than muslims in europe. >> apples and oranges? >> of course you had the san bernardino -- >> yes, isis inspired. >> that's not from overseas, that was somebody who grew up here. but in general, people believe it's safer here than it is for instance in brussels. donald trump, as is his want, because he's a businessman,
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speaks entirely in dollars and cents. if you read very closely those transportation scri transcripts, which he did over the phone -- it's kind of odd doing these big interviews over the phone. you've got to get a sense of, you know, the measure of the person, look into their eye, continue to push them, these kind of issues -- >> an advantage to interview that way. >> yes, many talk about his distracted nature where he goes from one point to another and always comes back to the dollars and cents. america's broke, therefore, america's weak. these are not true, right so everybody else has to pony up. this is a business man's view of the world. presumably. but it doesn't make sense when he talks about, for instance, nato. nato is not obsolete. yes, it was created 60-plus years agoing in response to the soviet threat. still, nato is the organizing principle by which american and the western democracies security
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is taken care of. nato is not just about the united states putting money in. it's about all the other countries putting in their 2% of gdp as well. they don't all, that's true. america wants them all to put more than they do right now. but a good number, nearly half of the nato countries, put their 2% of gdp in. the other countries do certain things that america doesn't do. now, america, because it is the most powerful military in the world, does a lot of the heavier lifting. you know, you have a military operation and america will do the troop lifting, for instance. or it will do, you know, many of those kinds of things. many of the other countries, afghanistan or jealoelsewhere,i up a huge lot of the burden as well. >> what about allowing japan and is bei south korea to build their own nuclear arsenals? >> that puts on its head decades of the united states and its pacific allies security
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relationship, and this is one of the first times we've heard a serious candidate, if not the first time, who will probably be the nominee for the republican party, put that forward, and it's not a republican sort of point of view that i've ever heard in previous elections. this poor me, america's weak kind of thing is not the way republicans generally see their view, americans view in the world. one of the reasons why japan does not have a nuclear arsenal is because of the horror that japan committed during the second world war. so japan has been kind of forced to be a pacifist pretty much state. it has a military but it's not an offensive military capability. and so there was a tradeoff. okay, you trade that off. and if there's a problem, we'll come to your rescue. in the meantime, you'll help us keep the peace in many other ways in that region. so that's one of the reasons why japan doesn't have nukes. and then of course, well, when it comes to isis and the other
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things, you need allies to be able to go and help you. >> just finally sort of reading -- everybody's been calling for specifics and he sat down with "the new york times" and phoned "the new york times" and i wanted to talk to you on donald trump's world view. that's just a piece of what he got into. christiane, thank you so much. next here, they disappeared nearly two years ago, more than 200 schoolgirls kidnapped by terrorists. now there are fears that some of them could be used as suicide bombers. we'll talk with one young woman who managed to escape. her story and what she thinks now, next. was only 16% italian. outi he was 34% eastern european. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about. he looks a little bit like me, yes. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story.
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by boko haram in 2014. the campaign #bring back our girls began. only about 50 girls managed to escape. one of those girls is sa. in order to protect her identity and her family back home, she goes by a pseudonym. she wears sunglasses to cover her face. i want to share my conversation with her earlier today. i spoke with sa and international human rights lawyer emmanuel ogabah. she's now in college. here's our conversation. welcome back to both of you. sa, i know when we talked last year, now you're in college, you are pursuing this education that boko haram tried to take away from you. do me a favor and just remind our viewers of how you managed to survive boko haram attacked your school, tossed you in the back of that truck. tell me what happened next. >> after the boko haram attack,
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put us in the truck, going with us in the forest. so i decided to jump out of the truck. by the help of god, i was able to survive in the forest and get back home to my family. and now i'm here, continuing with my studies. >> many other girls did not have your same fate and now we're getting word of what's happened in cameroon. a couple of girls were arrested. apparently perhaps drugged as well. i'm wondering to you, does your reaction to the thought that a fellow classmate could have been forced to be a suicide bomber, your reaction to that? >> actually, it's really sad and, you know, the other girls, we haven't heard nothing from them since the abduction and, you know, everyone is so worried that we really wanted the girls
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to come back but, you know -- so we have hope that it would still come back and whenever i see myself here studying, continuing with my study, i just pray, always praying for them they will come back. you know, that's all we want, the girls to come back home. >> that's all we all want. you're there in school and it's like a whole other world away what's happening back in africa. i understand you and some of the other girls, you've been looking online to find out more about who these girls could be? >> yes, we've been doing that since we came here. >> and are you hopeful in a sense it could be one of the girls, perhaps this could lead to others? >> sure, it might be one of the girls, because -- probably, we don't know but, you know, when the abductions happened, i heard that she was 15 years old. i just turned 17, 18 two weeks
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before the abduction, which might be -- she might be one of the girls. of course and, you know, it's going to be interesting if really she's one of my classmates because, you know, that's all we want is the girls. of course i'm pretty sure it might be she will be one of the girls. it might be. not sure. >> emmanuel, to you, hearing all of this, hearing the possibility these girls could be used as bombers, you're also the one who's helped so many of these young women. what do you make of all this? >> well, brooke, one of the things we noticed is boko haram first started using girls as suicide bombers two months after the abductions. so that in itself was not a good sign. since june of 2014, almost 100 girls have been used as suicide bombers in nigeria and cameroon.
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it's one of the worst things happening to women on the planet today. with regard to the specific situation, it's not clear if this girl meets the demographic of the girls who were taken. because as sa pointed out, she was 17. she just turned 20 actually yesterday. so if a 15-year-old would technically not be one of the girls unless she lost a sense of time. now that happened in captivity. if she was abducted at 15, she's lost her sense of time in the forest. secondly, reports say she's malnourished. again, she would look much smaller than her real age. so the odds really are 50/50 on whether this is one of the girls. >> you're wearing sunglasses as you did the last time just to mask your identity and protect your family still living in danger. what do you want the world to know about you?
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happy belated birthday, by the way. here you are in college. what's your message? >> thank you. well, you know, i've been wearing sunglasses in order to protect my family and i myself also back in nigeria because the terrorists are, like, everywhere. you wouldn't know who is the terrorist. you wouldn't know who is the enemy. so i always put sunglasses in order to protect myself and also my family back in nigeria. because i've been here. the enemies are not happy with it, you know. so they might plan something to either attack me or something or my family at home. so that's why i'm wearing sunglasses in order to protect my family and i also. >> can't imagine having to be so fearful like that, day in and day out. but what do you want the world to know? what are you studying? what would you like to become? >> i actually wanted to be a
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doctor. i want to study medicine here in the united states in order to get a good education and go back to nigeria and help other girls in nigeria that have been in difficult situation as me. they were scared to go to school because of what's happening. i can be an example and, you know, for the other girls to follow if i actually achieve my goals here in the united states and become something. >> you already have. sa, thank you so much. our best to you. emmanuel, thanks to you as well. coming up next here on cnn, we have new video of those three airport bombing suspects from brussels, one of whom is still on the run. see what clues are being discovered next. your body is a finely tuned instrument. diarrhea can throw it out of rhythm. imodium multi symptom relief combines two powerful ingredients to relieve diarrhea faster and ease gas, cramps and bloating. restore rhythm with imodium.
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this shelter in place accord to the senate alerts is requiring staff and visitors in all buildings of the u.s. capitol complex to immediately shelter in place. that means lock all doors, stay
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away from windows and the like. this is a heavily fortified area. there are a lot of police in that area. and right now, members of congress are actually on recess so probably not a whole lot of lawmakers. but as soon as we figure out more information, we'll bring it to you. >> stay with me. let me follow up with you. congress is on recess. this is the end of easter weekend. the easter egg roll was at the white house earlier today. a lot of tourists in washington. there's a visitors area. you're wandering around the capitol each and every day at your job. can you tell us how secure metal detectors, layers of security? >> incredibly secure. everybody has to go through a typical metal detector and screen. the only people who can avoid
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that kind of screening are members of congress themselves. you see a lot of -- post-9/11, the capitol complexion has been heavily, heavily fortified and every single entrance and exit. if any officer sees a threat, they're probably going to act. you know, we'll see exactly what happened here and if this happened -- actually happened on capitol grounds or happened near capitol grounds. that's one of the things we're looking at. right now, the senate officials are warning and urging folks to stay indoors because there's a shelter in place. because gunshots have been reported in the capitol visitors center of the capitol building complex. a scary situation. folks need to be cautious. we're not quite sure what's happening at the moment. >> of course. manu, stay with me, i just got handed one other note. also i'm now being told from the white house the white house is on lockdown.
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secret service cleared pennsylvania avenue. the white house north lawn. after reports of a shooting at the u.s. capitol. staff and press there are being asked to stay indoors. that's just down the way at the white house. from d.c. metro police spokeswoman alice kim, we are aware of reports of shots fired and to shelter in place. we're working with the capitol hill police department to investigate the situation. if you're just joining us this is what we know. it is not a lot of information. manu raju who works tirelessly for us on capitol hill has been recording this lockdown. congress is on recess. there is a visitors center, it's been a few years since i've been in there, right there. is it in the capital building? where is that? >> it's located actually right in between the house and the senate. now, anybody can enter in and out of there. you still have to go through your metal detectors and your security screens. that is a place where tourists can go. tourists can still go into the
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house and the senate buildings. typically now when you go through your tours if you're a general member of the public, you have to first enter into that capitol visitors center complex. it was built after 9/11 to help with the security of the complex. we don't know how serious this is. oftentimes the police does act out of abundance of caution. oftentimes the capitol does go on lockdown in certain instances if there's suspicious package. or they're not quite sure what to make of a situation. here what we do know is shots have been fired. the extent of whether there are any injured or victims, we don't know. clearly, given the security situation in the capitol, the police really does everything it can to show an abundance of caution, make sure that nobody else gets injured. right now, they're urging folks to stay indoors, if they are in the capitol and around the area, probably a good idea to stay
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away from the area as you just mentioned. the white house also being on lockdown. it's not a far stretch from pennsylvania avenue to the capitol to the white house, clearly that's where it looks like police are investigating right now this instance of shooting at the capitol visitors center complex. >> we're looking at some video. the first images from the scene. law enforcement rolling up. i don't know if this is cell phone video of somebody who happened to be in the area. first images. folks running obviously in the opposite direction as there are reports as manu has been discussing, reports according to eternal emays of shots being fired. i have rod rick with me as well, former u.s. marshal. let me ask you one other question. i was handed this e-mail that went out saying gunshots had been reported in the cvc, do you know what that is?
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>> yes, capitol visitors center. clearly, it's happened on capitol grounds. whether it was in the capitol visitors center, in actually the halls of the visitors center or just outside, it's not entirely clear. that appears one reason why capitol police have been dispatched on this. you're showing video right there of d.c. police, metro police. so clearly, serious situation. something that the police are investigating right now. yes, this happened on capitol grounds, capitol visitors center. that major complex right in between the house and the senate where we see thousands of tourists going through there week after week after week as they explore the nation's capitol. this is a big tourist season as well. cherry blossoms are in full bloom. a lot of folks are in town. so clearly even if members of congress are not around, there are a lot of tourists visiting, touri ining the capitol.
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>> breaking news here the white house u.s. capitol on lockdown in the wake of apparently reports that shots have been fired according to this senate memo in the capitol visitors center which manu was point out sees thousands of visitors each and every year. art rodderic to you, former u.s. marshal. as we're seeing, you know, not only metro police, d.c. police, capitol hill police, what's happening right now? >> yeah, i mean, you have all law enforcement agencies responding and i've been to that area several different types. if this did occur inside the cvc area, there's little vehicular traffic that come s up those roads. the police have established posts at various streets which do block off a lot of the access to a lot of the buildings there. you will see in that area, you've got several congressional and senate office buildings that are around that same area.
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of course the cvc's right in the middle of the capitol there. it's kind of like the focal point. so you'll have -- you'll have the capitol police basically managing the scenario with assistance from other law enforcement agencies that will show it, any of the federal law enforcement agencies there. >> on the phone, cnn white house producer, kev joining me now on the phone. we know the white house is on lockdown as well. tell me what you know, kevin. >> right, that's right, i'm in the basement of the white house now. maybe about ten minutes ago, uniformed officers with the secret service, all of the reporters, congressmen, guests, came inside, they cleared pennsylvania avenue, that's the pedestrian walkway where you often see tourists gathering for photos. i should say this is a very typical response when there's any security incident happening
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on capitol hill or any other federal building. the secret service likes to take every precaution they can as the celebration develops and as they learn more about what's going on. it's a very busy day here at the white house. we have the easter egg roll going on on the south lawn. they were estimating 35,000 people were going to come through the gates for that. but at this point, there's no indication whatsoever of any security breach here. this is just the secret service taking every precaution that they can as they try and learn more about what's happening up on capitol hill. >> so this is all clearly a response and out of an abundance of caution that they have grabbed all of the guests and media and you are now inside, in the basement of the white house. clearing, as kevin points out, pennsylvania avenue. just because of what's happening just down the road on capitol hill. again, if you're just joining us, we have learned the white house and the u.s. capitol are both on lockdown according to
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memos and internal e-mails within the u.s. senate, gunshots have been reported in the cvc, which is the capitol visitors center. requiring staff and visitors in all building, all buildings of the u.s. capitol complex, to shelter in place immediately. manu raju, back to you, can you talk to me a little about how huge or perhaps not that capitol visitors complex is? >> it is gigantic. actually since this was -- this facility was created actually a lot of major meetings take place there. members of congress gather there behind close doords because they've created huge auditoriums. press galleries take place there, press conferences as well. there's just so many tourists because that is meant for the main area for tourists to gather. this is the biggest tourist attraction in all of d.c.
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far more tourists come through the capitol then are alloweded to come through the white house. any time there is a security breach like this, it's a very scary situation because you have so many, i mean, just so many tourists and so many different people coming from all over the world to see this majestic building. even if it's, you know, this situation happened when members of congress may not be in town, there were a lot of folks who were in town. that could create some pretty scary situation. we don't really have any additional information than what we originally had, other than we know capitol police are investigating these shots. it happened in the cvc complex and the senate and the house are both in lockdown. they're asking folks not to walk around the capitol. no matter what happened here, we know that gunshots were fired and there are definitely folks lingering around and that's what
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the visitors center is. folks are just in the hallway. checking out this building. it's a serious situation. the police are either acting out of an abundance of caution or try to figure out and get to the person who actually fired these shots. so we'll see exactly what happens. no matter which way you look at it, it's serious, given how many people just go through those complex doors each day. >> especially on the end of a busy tourism week, easter weekend. with your knowledge of this capitol visitors complex and with your knowledge of the capitol grounds, i mean, listen, you have press credentials. you go through metal detectors to enter buildings and that kind of thing. if you are a member of the public or a tourist and you want to go inside, whatsoever, are there few entrances to do that? how many are there, do you know?
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>> there are several. when you degree into the capitol visitors center, sometimes you can enter through the senate side of the building if you're with a staff member orb with a member of congress or a member of the senate or the house and enter into the basement into the visitors center itself. or you can enter from the outside of the capitol visitors center complex. there's several from each side in which you can get into. if you're just a regular person who doesn't have a staff member to go along with or a member of congress to go with, you have to enter from the outside. that means you have to go through a metal detector and proper precautionings. rarely ever see folks skipping a metal detector. the only time you'll see that is if you're a member of congress. you can of course skip those lines and sometimes aides travel along with them and skip the lines, even though they're not supposed to do that, brooke, but
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typically this is, you know, a very, very secure process and any time that there's a problem, police will act rather expeditiously. so clearly something happened here that forced police to respond and that's one reason why folks are in a lockdown right now. we don't know whether -- this gunman is loose or what or if someone has been caught. that's why they're asking folks not to be around that area. >> invaluable information from someone who is on the capitol grounds each day. art rodderic is still with us. a u.s. marshal. talking about the angle of police responding, capitol police, d.c. metro police. what's protocol in this situation if shots were fired in a public area? >> i mean, the shelter in place alarm went out so i can tell you there's a lot of nervous people in the buildings there. i actually got a couple texts
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from some friends of mine that worked in the senate and house building so they're just waiting for the all clear. but, i mean, you've got some of the most experienced law enforcement agencies in washington, d.c. to handle this situation. the capitol police are excellent at handling these type of active shooter calls and any thing at the capitol. that area is fairly secure. i'm surprised somebody's in there with a handgun in that area because there are capitol police all over that whole complex area. >> okay. forgive me, i was getting some information in my ear, thank you so much and stay with me. as we're talking both about the white house and capitol hill. let's be crystal clear now, these are two separate incidents. we've been reporting, you know, the white house on lockdown. we were talking to our white house producer who's now in the basement. staffers, guests, press, asked
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to step off the lawn area. that is because accord to what i'm getting, someone tried to jump the white house fence. that is now clear. this is why we're totally focused on the capitol, these reports from the senate that gunshots were reported in the capitol visitors center. that is around the capitol building area. that is what sketched thousands of visitors each and every year. it's d.c. cherry blossom time. there was the easter egg roll today where 35,000 people were expected they p at the white house, so just imagine how many folks were around washington. that's our first ambulance on screen. some of the images in the wake of this. dana bash is with me. dana bash, i hear you're with me. i'm not quite sure where you are in washington, if you are in washington. >> i am in washington, i'm in the washington bureau. i'm not on capitol hill.
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but i am with you. >> okay, so when we talk about -- manu's been amazing talking about this capitol visitors complex and these reports from this e-mail i'm seeing to staffers within the senate to shelter in place, stay away from doors and winnows because of reports of shots fired. give me the lay the land of the u.s. capitol building and this visitors complex. >> the visitors complex, as manu was explaining, most of it is underneath the capitol. the entrance is outside -- you're looking at the map there, more towards where the supreme court is. but most of the actual complex is underneath the capitol. this took years and years and tens of millions of dollars to build. i would just by way of kind of history here, on 9/11, i was coming on to the capitol grounds and at that point, i could drive right on to the capitol grounds.
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reporters and others who work -- who had badges, we could get up very, very close to the capitol, even with our cars. that is no longer. not just because of 9/11 but also because the cdc as you mentioned, the visitors center was built and finished. it is really just a maze. i've covered the capitol for a very long time. the halls of the actual capitol i've pretty much got down. underneath, i get lost every time. it is remarkable. it has, as manu was saying, not just places for visitors to go, which are really beautiful, but also a lot of work space for senators, for staff. a lot of the secure rooms are down there. and so it is just a huge, huge complex in the visitors center and so -- but i also want to echo what manu said. i wasn't covering the capitol
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but i was here in washington at the time when the two capitol police often certains got shot. i believe it was 1998-ish. and at that time, they were doing their job and those two men from there on to today, i mean, we get to know these officers quite well. those of us who cover the capitol. we see them every day. they protect the capitol. they are incredibly vigilant. you know, incredibly talented. just like manu said, it is a very, very secure place. and we don't have all of the details of what happened. but you can get that the minute something did happen, the capitca capitol police were all over it. >> in the case of a lockdown, dana, you know, we're told looking at this e-mail,
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staffers, shelter in place immediately, you know, what is it like? >> i've been on the capitol grounds when there's been a shelter in place and, you know, it's scary, especially, again, as somebody who lived through 9/11, i was on the capitol grounds on that day and you have these, you know -- that's where your mind goes immediately even if it's a false alarm. not obviously necessarily of that kind of magnitude but to that, oh, my gosh, that's right, i'm working in the capitol, i'm working in a place that is a high target building. so that's certainly one thing that goes through your mind but it is unfortunately now i wouldn't say common place but it is a lot more common than it used to be to get these notices and to have these instructions not to move, not to leave. i remember one of the times there was a shelter in place, i was doing an interview with harry reid, then senate majority leader, and that was the time,
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as you remember, there was a woman who drove from the white house all the way to the capitol. she had a child in her car, she was unfortunately shot. that happened kind of down the hill right from where we were and there was a shelter in place at that time. it does happen. there is procedure. it wasn't like this. there was no procedure on 9/11. anything close to this. and it is because of that horrific incident, not just in this building but in other buildings around the city, around the country, there are very, very specific procedures in place where there is some kind of danger like this. >> i can't knowledge being inside, you know, during a lockdown. unfortunately, some of these members of congress, they are more or less used to having to take precautions, to your point,
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they've been through this before. dana bash, don't go too far. i've mabeen handed some new information here. the white house was on lockdown. apparently there was someone who tried to jump the white house fence. that person was caught. and we're told the u.s. supreme court is no longer on lockdown as well. gloria borger, i'm being told manu raju, let me bring you back in, you've got some information for me. >> i was speaking with our congress am producer who's in the halls of the capitol now. he said there are dozens of police calls and fire trucks and other rescue vehicles around the supreme court side of the capitol visitors center. you're really seeing a huge response from law enforcement agencies to investigate what's happening here. we don't know exactly whether a gunman has been -- if they've caught the gunman, if this
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person is on the loose or what. we know they're investigating this, this shooting. we know there's a huge amount of police cars and fire trucks right on that first street side of the capitol where it bordered the supreme court and is one of the main entrances. as ted was just telli inin inin police are very calm. he was saying folks inside the capitol are nervous about what's happening out of the situation. there have been lockdowns in the past. oftentimes, police do respond to incidents of a suspicious package but this is different. you don't see this level of response this often and you clearly don't see a gunshot happening on capitol grounds. so very serious situation. police are taking it seriously.
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just dozens of police cars all around the area. you see the pictures there because they're trying to investigate and figure out what's going on. >> thank you, manu, and thank you ted barrett for making that phone call to give us a better perspective of what's happening. urging folks on capitol grounds to be calm. can understand why nerves would be frayed especially when you see these pictures play out. gloria borger. you know her from talking politics in washington. as we talk about this particularly the first street side, where you really see this law enforcement activity, this is right on the supreme court side. tell me about the buildings around that area. >> first of all, brooke, this city is really full of tourists right now. you know, this is spring break. congress may not be in session. but there are lots of people.
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it's cherry blossom season. we have houseguests planning to go to the capitol later this week, right. so this is a time when people are in town and they want to visit the capitol. if dana was pointing out, there was a tragic shooting in 1998 of two capitol hill police officers. that's really why we have a visitors center. there is yet another barrier before you get into the capitol where people can be checked before they head i there. i was a congressional correspondent for "newsweek" for ten years and i remember roaming around the capitol freely, barely a metal detector. maybe one or two. i used to park my car right in front of the capitol where there was press parking. >> my, how times have changed. >> yes, right. now, of course, we have barrier after barrier after barrier. particularly troubling now when this is such a high peak of a tourist season and i can only imagine that the visitors center at this time of day on a
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beautiful day was pretty packed. and so people have to go through that visitors center before they -- before they get into the capitol. and, you know, the capitol, as dana was pointing out, is like a labyrinth. and so it's hard to keep track of everyone. there is a huge presence of capitol hill police officers everywhere. they're well trained. and they're friendly. and they know how to deal with crowds. they know how to deal with this kind of a situation, unfortunately. they have all kinds of things all the time like suspicious packages. so i'm sure they're getting it under control. but particularly if you're not from washington and you're not used to hearing this kind of thing, which we do all too much, i can imagine for tourists it would be hugely troubling. also if you work in the capitol
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and you're on lockdown in your office, it would have the same effect, brooke. >> gloria, stay with me. i'm just getting a little bit of new information. we're learning from d.c. metro police that -- capitol is still on lockdown but this is what they're considering a isolated incident at the capitol, no active threat to the public. tom fuentes what does that mean? >> they don't have a shooter on the loose they're aware of. they don't think there's more than one that's going to conduct other attacks on other buildings. i think at this point, they feel it's isolated to the capitol grounds and if there was a shooter that came in there, into that visitors center, that person's been neutralized and contained at least to the extent that they think that one visit wag involved and now they're
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trying to verify if someone else is involved. it's not a larger-scale attack. >> let's hope you are spot on with regard to -- >> if i can add one more thing. the reason for the lockdown in these situations, the fbi has uncovered in the last 15 years two separate attack plans that involve creating some kind of a disturbance either fire or launching a drone with a bomb into the capitol or just phoning in threats so the capitol would be evacuated and panicked individuals would come running out the door on to the sidewalks into the park area where there would be terrorists waiting with automatic weapons. so that's the strategy of do not let everybody run out of the
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building in a panic and create soft targets if there are terrorists out there waiting for them to come out. >> tom fuentes, thank you. standby. let's go to the white house. michelle kosinski is our white house correspondent. maybe some confusion earlier but to crystal clear, the white house being on lockdown a little while ago had zero to do with what we're covering just down the road? >> yes, whatever the threat was here i mean this is unfolding as we speak. for about 15 minutes the secret service shut down the pedestrian walkway in front of the white house. that's in front of the north lawn. so that was closed to people companying in and out. keep in mind, this is an extremely busy day, the day of the easter egg roll. so they're coming and going constantly from a different entrance.
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it doesn't seem like this threat affected that activity at all. that has since been lifted and it appears, at least from where we stand, things are back to normal. >> we'll take that, michelle kosinski, thank you so much, at the white house. let's head back down to capitol hill. d.c. police saying it's an isolated incident. there is no active threat to the public. dana bash, to you, my friend, who's covered capitol hill for eons, when we talk about the day after easter, we know dodcongre is on recess, who would be inside and milling about these different capitol buildings? >> many more tourists than actual staffers. many more tourists than members of congress. because they're on recess for spring break. and that's the very reason why there's so many tourists there because people around the country are on spring break. this is the time of year where
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it is packed in the halls of congress. unclear if it's exactly like that right now with the senate and the house, neither is in session, but, one of those times, brooke, you spent some time with me on capitol hill, and you know on a regular day it is sometimes kind of hard to get around, to move from point a to point b. now during this time of year it is next to impossible. you have to give yourself an extra, you know, 10 minutes or so to get from -- to where you're going because there's so many people there because so many penople are coming and wanting to see the capitol and get a sense of how things work which is really fabulous and it is really wonderful. that they have this visitors center to help do it. as gloria was saying, the fact the visitors center exists is in large part of that shooting, they want to better protect the
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doors where the press goes in. the fact that it was so fortified at this point of entry and any other point of entry, no question, seems to have helped dramatically. >> dana, thank you. we do have some new information. let's go back to manu with some new developments. what have you learned since we last talked? >> the sergeant of arms is starting to tell employees of the senate there is one suspect in custody. i'm reading this e-mail they've now sent to senate employees. it's start to circulate around the capitol. they said no further gunshots are being reported. one suspect is in custody. no further suspects appear to be at large. the u.s. capitol police are continuing to investigate.
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all staff and visitors in all buildings are to remain sheltered in place. so the good news being that there is a suspect in custody. as we were mentioning on air earlier, does appear to be an isolated incident. they're asking folks to stay indoors, which is why the capitol's still in lockdown. the news here being a suspect is in custody and nobody else appears to be at large as the capitol police continue to investigate, brooke. >> i've got a little bit more. let me add on to that. there is now a suspect in custody. male suspect shot. female civilian injured. not a perpetrator, innocent bystander. at least woin jured. male suspect to the hospital. that is the latest as we've been trying to get a little bit of information. this is still very active. the u.s. capitol on lockdown as shots were apparently reported
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in or around. this is the part that's not clear. was it within the visitors complex or not. that is what the e-mail to senate staffers have said. again, we're learning one male suspect shot. female civilian injured. she was just simply an innocent bystander. to everyone's point, gloria borger, to you, to your point, to dana, to manu, this is the time of year everyone's in washington. how sad and frightening all at once. that with all of these wonderful people who traveled to d.c. who want to see how our country sort of works, that this would happen like this. >> well, you know, the city is hugely crowded. it's beautiful because of the cherry blossoms. school tours and school buses are all over the city, you know, i wouldn't be surprised if you had kids on tour, you know, passing through the -- passing through the visitors center.
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so this is, you know, this is the height of the season where washington kind of displays itself. last week was a beautiful -- was a beautiful week for that. and so i can only imagine how beautiful it is. this occurs and somebody, you know, a civilian is wounded, just waiting in line probably to get in for a tour. >> if we're talking about this happening in the cvc, in the capitol visitors center, and was talking with dana, day after easter, congress out, spring break, i mean, how many -- you talk about being a congressional correspondent for "newsweek" for a decade, how many people would you estimate would be within the house and senate sides at work today to be on lockdown? >> it's hard to say because a lot times people take off when their bosses are off and when their bosses are out of town or, you know, they also try and get
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some work done maybe and work on things they couldn't get to when congress is in session. if i had to guess, i would say that a large -- you know, maybe half of them are gone. who knows. it was easter yesterday so a lot of people who work in congress live -- their families are from somewhere else because maybe they're working for a congressman from california or, you know, indiana. so they may, you know, they may go home. the thing that we know is that congress is not in session. so that there were probably few, if any, members of congress in the building. but, again, it's the peak of the tourist season. >> tom fuentes, spring board off the point, where the tourists, and we're now learning, you know, from law enforcement, there was a female bistander who was apparently injured and the male suspect was injured on the
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way to the hospital. what next as far as lockdown? are they still going through building to building to building within the labyrinth on capitol hill? >> yes, they'll search the area inside and outside the building. also the question will be what's the condition of the shooting suspect? that person is not severely injured and is able to talk to investigators and, you know, if in a few minutes they're able to determine that he or she acted alone and there's no other people involved in this plot and once they've neutralized that shooter, there's no one else to be worried about. think the lockdown will end pretty quickly. the other thing is they will worry about is there's a copycat, somebody sitting out there and heard the story that somebody fired shots at the visitors center and thought what a great idea. i'm going to do that. so they have to worry about the other nut cases that live in the d.c. area that may respond in
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person and decide to do something on their own. but once they figure out that's probably not going to happen and the individual that did the shooting is neutralized and providing information that he was alone, then i think this will be wrapped up soon. >> let's hope so. not to mention these offices will be closing anyway. they're not open extremely late. right now it's 3:30 p.m. eastern time. they would have only been open a pretty short time for visitors anyway after this time. >> thank you, tom. we're getting some new video. let's pause and take a look and see what's happening.
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>> all right, so obviously shaky, sort of frightening video, taken by a witness. was that in the cvc? don't know. dana bash, did you see that video? maybe we can play it again. looked like obviously panicked people trying to get out. >> very much looks like that. it is very hard to tell even knowing, you know, that the inside of the capitol -- no, that's the cvc, that's the -- >> that is? >> yes, that looks like the cvc. can't say it 100% but it looks like it. you see those ropes there. >> for the tourists. >> exactly, that's where people line up to get into the capitol. there's a very -- as you would suspect, a very specific protocol for coming in as a tourist. that definitely looks like in the congressional visitors center. i can't even imagine how that feels to be a tourist, to be
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somebody from out of town or even from town, just in the capitol, to have that sense of absolute terror, not knowing exactly what's going on. before i throw it back to you, i want to say i heard earlier from one law enforcement source about the fact that there was a male suspect and a female civilian injured. we were waiting to get the second source which we now have. i just want to underscore, you know, as horrible as it is that anybody, any civilian was injured, the fact it was so isolated and so contained and that the suspect was taken down so quickly, again, just gives you a sense of, you know, it doesn't look like it now, crazy for me to say as we're looking at these pictures, but how fortified the capitol is and how hard these officers work to keep everybody safe because it is so important to keep these buildings open for the public.
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>> how awful for these good people to be in the capitol on their day after easter, maybe spring break, and to have this happen. ian sha pir ra, on the phone with me, "washington post" reporter on the scene. tell me what you know, please. >> i am right in between the russell bennett building and the u.s. capitol. sort of an at intersection where lots of tourists are spilling out from the visitors center area on to the nearby sidewalk. it's a lot of parents and children huddled together. relieved that they're out of there. many of them are telling me they were inside a movie theater while this happened. they were inside i guess watching one of the tour guide movies. there was an announcement that went out that there was an active shooter in the building. the movie kept playing for several minutes and people stayed in their seats.
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and then police came by, sort of safeguard them in that auditorium. other people i spoke with said that they -- they were in the cafeteria when it happened. their descriptions were a little more vague than others. but that's basically where i am. >> ian, invaluable. stay with me. let's just dip in and hear some sound from someone i believe was there. >> i think they kind of -- they got a hand on it pretty well. yeah, it was scary hearing that kind of thing over the loud speaker. at the end of the day, i think they did the best they could given the circumstances. >> what did you hear over the loud speaker? >> it said capitol building lockdown, shots fired. i think it repeated twice. we didn't know if it was prerecorded or if it was parts of -- because we were watching
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the video at the time. so it came on over the top of that. and people kind of started looking around and trying to work out what was going on. and the lights are still down at the time. and then that's when we started seeing the exit doors opening and people coming in, that kind of thing. >> ushering people into -- >> yes. apparently the shooter was two theaters over. they ushered some people into our theater that had been in the theater next door and heard shots. >> the shooting was after you went through security then? >> don't know, you know, as i said -- >> did you go through security? it's been a while since i've been in the visitors center. describe what it's like walking in the visitors center. >> so wait in line. i had an appointment today. it's a metal detector. and then you go through the metal detector. so that was my thought as well, how did they get a weapon into the building. >> you understand that the shooting occurred in a theater? >> that's what -- the people that were shown into our theater
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said they heard from the theater next door. that's all the information we kind of got. the police are great about coming in and trying to keep us updated. there was someone in our theater who wanted an armed guard in the theater and the police were explaining they were kind of stretched in terms of manpower. not stretch bud they were making sure they had armed guards at every door and that's what they kept repeating. their standard procedure is to keep guards on every door. >> how long were you inside that theater, if you had to estimate? i know minutes can seem a longer time. >> we were half through the showing of the material so i'm guessing at least half an hour, 40 minutes. and then as soon as -- there was another officer that came in and he kind of -- he asked what was going on. so he explained the situation. he asked us if we were okay. turning off the promotional show that was on the television, which they did. they turned it off. they turned the lights up.
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people started asking questions. he was just answering them for people. they kept on making sure that if anyone came in, they asked if anyone came in and you're not next to the person you came in with, please tell us now. they were just very intent on making sure they knew where everybody was. eventually, when they got the all clear, we all came out together. >> so about a half an hour to 45 minutes? >> from when the -- from the moments shots fired, i guess, yes. >> your name again? >> my names jay blaskey. >> that is the first eyewitness we've heard from. all a sudden, shots were fired. this is what ian with the "washington post" was also saying, perhaps within one of the theaters at the visitors complex. as tourists were in town and
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wanted to check out the loud spe speaker, over the loud speaker heard shots fired, lockdown. let's go to correspondent brian todd who was there at the scene as well. brian todd, tell me what you're seeing and what you learned. >> brooke, just behind me, that is an area where the incident occurred. our photo journalist zooming in for you there, where you see some emergency response vehicles. that's right at the capitol visitors complex entrance where this incident might have taken place we're told. we're told a male suspect was shot at the capitol complex by u.s. capitol police. that suspect now en route to the hospital. a female civilian bystander was injured by shrapnel. no law enforcement no capitol police were injured. the latest we're told, a male
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suspect was shot at the capitol complex by u.s. capitol police. that male suspect now en route to the hospital. a female bystander wounded by shrapnel in that incident. they're not letting any of us go closer. if you can see the scene down the street from me, this is east capitol street where we're standing. we had to walk some distance to get where we were. we were cordoned off on several streets north and northwest of the capitol. the capitol is still on lockdown we're told. that's really the situation. people were told to shelter in place. people outside were initially told to take cover. we did get word there's no active threat to the public so this incident may be winding down. we're told a male suspect shot and wounded by capitol police. that suspect en route to the hospital. brooke. >> brian, thank you, and p.j., for the hustle, just so we can have eyes on the scene there.
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we have word now -- we're hearing from more eyewitness accounts. >> you left your wallet behind? >> and my cell phone and everything. it was more important to get out then worry about that. >> so what happened? >> here with colleagues, lobby, going through security. we heard, get out, get out, get out, there's an active shooter, so we went out, went around to the side of the building. the police escorted us. >> when you start to talk about it, i hear it -- >> yes, most stressful experience i've ever had in my life. >> what went through your mind when you heard that, active shooter? >> just get out and be safe and what could happen. it's pretty sobering for sure. >> the people that knew you were going to be here today, you fielding calls? >> my phone's still in the
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capitol building. maybe soon with somebody else's phone to let everybody know i'm okay. >> you're on the capitol grounds often. this is a real threat that people come in. >> no, i think we need to do that. continue to have life as usual. i don't think we should let a shooter dictate our lives. >> were they kind of herding you in one direction? >> they were screaming at us to get out. they were pretty loud and pushing us. you're concerned that the shooter's outside. so the guns were drawn. they were out, you know, making sure we were safe but it was pretty anxiety producing. >> how many people in the visitors center when this happeneded? >> i don't know in the visitors center. it's probably about 20 people in the security line. right where the shooter was caught. so maybe about 20 people.
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>> do you sense a swell that something was going on before the shouting began? >> just went out, out of the building. >> what's going through your mind? you're safe. they've got this gunman in custody. >> well, my biggest concern is getting my stuff back and just that i'm safe and i need to process it with my colleagues that i'm here with and just continue to be safe. >> life changing experience? >> definitely but i'm not sure what that is yet. i'm still processing. i'm in shock still. >> tell me your name. >> dr. vosovich. >> have to be back in the lobby tomorrow? >> yes, lobbying tomorrow, yes. >> one of the local reporters in washington. just dipping in, listening to the eyewitness accounts. some folks, you know, just wanting to enjoy what the capitol visitor complex can
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offer. and so shocking for, i'm sure, so many people in there. dana bash is -- has been with us through all of this. what do you have? >> i've been talking to a law enforcement official but to be perfectly honest with you, since we want to make sure all of our ts crossed, our is dotted, i'm going to get one more source on it, a little bit more information about what happened. and i will get back to you. >> you got it. you do that. i'll take it from here. art rodderic has just been seated. now i have you, former u.s. marshal. you know the capitol visitor complex. we don't know exactly where it happened but listening to one of the eyewitnesses saying you know where that is, where? >> exactly, the way the visitors center is set up, there's a long approach before you get to the doors. you have to walk down several flights of steps.
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the lines can wayne it to get i the front doors. you have security there. on the other side of security, you have a bunch of greeters. then you walk down some steps into the area where you pick up your tickets -- >> let me hit pause with you. i just want to tell everyone. i just got in mine ear. per u.s. capitol police, the lockdown has been lifted. this is over. that said, a lot of questions remain. please continue. >> when you walk down into the main area where you pick up your tickets, there's a bunch of greeters down there that help you get to where exact -- >> by the way, to even get in there, you're going through a metal detector. >> just to get into that area alone. so if this occurred in the movie theater area, which is in the back portion -- >> getting deeper and deeper and deeper. >> that's deeper into the facility. which i'm sort of shocked at, that somebody was able to -- if you're walking through and you can't get there -- unless you're a staffer or of a staff badge or are an actual
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member of congress, you can't get to that area without coming through the visitors center. congressmen and senators and staffers can get through their underground transport. >> i've only been to the capitol center once or twice but never sat for a video. are these relatively small areas? how many people on tour would be, dozens? >> yeah, they have a couple of dozen probably, maybe 50. the setup is you go in and you can look around at how the capitol was built. they have different diaramas set up and then its movie theaters off to the side that give you a 15, 20-minute movie as to the history of the capitol. and that sounds to me like where this might have occurred. i'm not 100% sure yet, but i know there are a couple of movie theaters off that particular area. >> that's what it sounded like from that eyewitness.
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chris frates is with me now, live on the scene. chris frates, what do you know? >> good afternoon, brooke. we know house speaker paul ryan has been briefed on the incident. he is not here in washington today. we also have updates on other legislative updates. nancy pelosi is in san francisco. her staff was not anywhere near the incident. mitch mcconnell, republican leader, was home in louisville. his staff is safe so we know that three of the four legislative leaders were not here in washington during this incident. we have checked in with them and their staffs are safe. i have not heard back from senate democratic leader, harry reid, and his office so we're still trying to make sure that the leader is safe and what his whereabouts were during this incident. but house speaker paul ryan has been briefed and his staff is safe and sound. >> frates, thank you. again, if you're just joining us
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here, according to the loudspeaker and u.s. capitol police, they'll have speakers throughout this entire complex. initially over the speaker you would hear shots fired and then apparently they were saying that the lockdown has now been lived. we know that a male suspect has been shot by u.s. capitol police. that person is en route or perhaps by now is at the hospital and there was a female who -- just an innocent bystander who happened to be hit by the shrapnel so she was injured as well. art roderick is with us. talking about how familiar you are with this capitol visitors center there in d.c. beyond that, you were talking or texting with the staffer on the hill today. >> yes, i was. i've got several friends who work up on the hill coming from the d.c. area. so they knew they were in lockdown, they were texting me. they were assured everything was okay. the situation was actually taken care of pretty quickly. they were notified right away, hey, there's no threat, but
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we're going to keep everybody in lockdown until we're sure. they were told we're just making sure there's no other actors involved in this active shooter incident. >> we have more sound from eye witnesses. let's roll it. >> we were in the north theater during the little orientation video that you do before you go on your tour. right in the middle of the video, they came over the loudspeaker saying that you're going to be sheltered in place action there's appear active shooter, and just to stay there. so we did. the video kept playing. shortly after that the capitol police came in, told us that there was a shooting, that we needed to stay there. they had armed guards outside the doors. >> you hear the word "active shooter" and that is enough to strike terror to anyone in the united states. what was the feeling inside that theater? >> the first thing i did was start crying because any fear that we have in this world, i know i can put that before god and he can take care of it and that's immediately what i did.
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>> what about the other people? what was going on in there when they heard those words? >> a lot of talking amongst themselves, seeing everybody get their phone out to see what was going on. the lady next to us calling some of her family members who were not there with her. i think there was a lot of fear for people. the capitol police did a good job of keeping things safe. >> i can still tell this your voice is still a bit shaken up, which is very understandable. >> certainly something we weren't prepared for, that's for sure. >> well, take care and thank you for talking with us. >> again, just hearing from more and more people who on this beautiful spring monday wanted to head down to the u.s. capitol building and it sounds like somewhere, according to these eyewitnesses, in one of these orientation areas that may be where the shots were fired. manu raju, you know the u.s. capitol building so well. we were talking to art roderick who explained how deep and down
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hallways you would have to be and the metal detectors and everything else in order to walk through with a gun. can you lay out the space, how large would these areas be? >> it would depend on where the shots were fired, if this gun actually entered into the complex or if it happened as the shooter was entering. i think that we're still -- >> we don't know, that's a great point. >> that's one thing we're trying to figure out. if the gun were in the capitol visitors center complex, that raises a huge security alarm that someone could get a gun in the complex, especially at this time of such high -- people being on such high edge from all these terrorist incidents overseas. but if they were to get in, this is a huge complex and there are hundreds and hundreds of people just walking around. so any way you look at it, whether it's going through that metal detector, there are lots of people going through, big lines or people trying to get into the capitol visitors center
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complex, that creates such a huge security risk, no matter where the gun -- or where the shooting took place. whether it was as the shooter was entering the capitol visitors center complex, that's a huge question. >> manu, thank you. we are hearing from more eyewitnesses who were inside. take a listen to this. >> obviously this had to have been pretty scary at the time. can you describe to us where you were, what you heard, what you saw, what happened? >> we were just exiting the senate gallery from visiting there and they escorted us back to the senate gallery chambers, said the capitol was being put on a lockdown. and so they escorted everybody else. there was probably 40 people that they escorted back into a section of the senate gallery chamber and they did advice us about every five minutes, give us an update as to the lockdown and what was going on. >> your kids, what kind of
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questions were they asking mom and dad? >> they were just worried that they didn't have their ipads. >> okay. well, you know what, sometimes ignorance is bliss, right? >> yeah, it is. at 4 and 9, they really didn't need to know what was going on. >> exactly. >> and everything. but with the updates, they gave us updates and they were congenial to us, very hospitable and made us feel safe. >> everyone who has walked out has described sort of the same experience, that they were getting a lot of communication and that you were getting the updates, which in a situation like that with it unfolding, you don't expect to hear that from folks as you're walking out of a situation. >> that's correct. in this, there was no lack of communication. everything was well communicated as far as what was going on. you know, everybody was made to feel safe. >> and when you -- when you walked out, what did you see? were there ambulances, police presence or were you able to just sort of escape?
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>> we kind of escaped all that. we came out the senate entrance and exit and so it was kind of closed off and nobody was around that. but it was an interesting experience, to say the least, on spring break. >> to say the very least. we're sorry that that happened but glad that everybody is okay. obviously a learning lesson for the kids. we hope you enjoy the rest of your time here. >> spring break, a lot of kids. look at all these little ones walking in and around the u.s. capitol building. again, we have learned that it was capitol hill police who took down that gunman who was injured, en route to the hospital, and there was a female bystander hit by some of the shrapnel from the shooting. not entirely clear where this happened. we definitely don't know why this happened or how the gun got inside this capitol visitors complex. if it was on the periphery or deeper within. gloria borger, how good capitol
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police were on responding to this and how prepared capitol folks were. >> if there's any place in the country that's prepared for something like this, i think you'd have to say it's the united states capitol. and this is something i'm sure that they have practiced over and over again, brooke. particularly when there's one estimate i just read that you have a million and a half visitors in town during these sort of high-peak weeks. they're prepared for these crowds. and it sounds like from the interviews that we've just been watching that the tourists were made to feel safe. i think that that's really all you can expect in a situation like this. >> absolutely, especially with what's happened oversea its as manu pointed out. people are on alert and sadly they have to be. gloria borger, thank you so much there in washington. again, the u.s. capitol no longer on lockdown, but they have arrested or i should say
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the individual, the gunman is in custody. let me be precise in my language. we have much more. do not move. continuing coverage of what has happened in washington, d.c., continues now with my colleague, jake tapper. good afternoon, i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." we're going to start with breaking news. a lockdown has just been lifted at the u.s. capitol after capitol police shot a man and a woman was hurt by shrapnel. it was a frightening scene today as crowds flock to the nation's capital this time of year. many families in washington on spring break. staffers inside local buildings at the capitol were told to shelter in place. we have a team getting all of the latest. manu raju and brian todd are gathering information from air sources.