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will have more on this at length. have a wonderful weekend. stay tuned. my colleague, wolf blitzer starts right now. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it is 1:00 p.m. in washington, 6:00 p.m. london, 9:30 p.m. in teheran, iran. wherever you are watching from around the world, thank you for joining us. up first, presidential politics here in the united states. can donald trump and the republican national committee mend fences and heal the riffs in the party. we are looking at a closed door meeting between donald trump and reince priebus. donald trump has had a tumultuous relationship with leaders during the campaign. after yesterday's get together he tweeted "just had a nice meeting with reince priebus and
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the gop. looking forward to bringing the party together and it will happen." on fox news, he described the meeting this way. >> really a unity meeting. we are leading by a lot. we have far and away the most delegates. millions more than anybody else, than ted has or kasich has. they wanted to discuss, unity and i like discussing unity, too. >> gop source says much of the meeting was about the delegate process. trump leads the republican field with an estimated 739 delegates. he could fall short of the 1237 delegates needed to clinch the nomination on the first round of balloting. let's get perspective on the trump rnc meeting from our panel. joining us gloria borger and
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nia. this has been a tough week for donald trump. his campaign manager corey lewandowski was charged with a misdemeanor battery charge and fall out from his comments on abortion and women. he had the controversial comments about nuclear weapons. he's now trying to get the party unified. this is no simple mission. >> donald trump's terrible, horrible, awful week. now he has questions about delegates. if this goes to a contested convention, wolf, and ted cruz wins wisconsin. you have seen another poll today saying that is very likely that there is a ten-point difference with trump behind cruz, the question will be, doesn't it have to go to a contested convention? because who will get to the magic number of 1237. so far in this campaign we have seen donald trump waging an air war. never been good at the retail, ground politics and the kind of work you have to do. in order to make sure your delegates stick with you, wolf,
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it's like mining for gold. it's like just sitting there and doing that leg work and inviting them to meet with donald trump, we want to make sure you are with us. this is not the kind of stuff that his campaign has been doing. they have been much more wholesale politics than retail. >> it is a very complex process. the delegates are supposed to be committed to how the states voted. the second round a lot of them can do whatever they want and in the fourth round almost all of them can do what they want. >> what we have seen the last many weeks is the rnc, normalized what is to some a radical idea. which is even if donald trump is close to the 1237 delegates needed to clinch a nomination it could be taken away from him by whatever the process would be at the convention. because of the first ballot bound delegates, second ballot
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unbound delegates. what is hurting donald trump is the lack of connection to the delegates on the ground who are real people and tinically party people plugged in to the party and have been around a while. that's why ted cruz is doing better because he's movement conservative. he's got people he's been in contact with in different states. i think it is hurting donald trump in at this point but he is trying to close the gap. he just hired paul, who ran the floor for ford in '76 and in the same capacity for reagan later and then bush and dole. the last time we had a contest ed convention was 1976. two candidates and incumbent president ford and ronald reagan. what happened was that went to only one ballot. ford obviously won and then lost to jimmy carter. they united immediately at the
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convention. therefo there were a lot of hurt feelings but it is hard for me to imagine ted cruz and john kasich and donald trump standing there with their arms in the air uniting after the things they have said about each other. >> speaking of uniting, there is a new poll, a pew research poll. 38% of republicans think the party will unite behind trump if he's the nominee. 56% say divisions within the party will keep many republicans from coalescing around him. so the question is this -- can the party unite around donald trump if he is the nominee? >> often times that's often the question after you have these divisive primary fight a's. in some ways it is a question about sanders and clinton as well. but this is so different because the fight has been so bitter and there are two camps who are very divide idealogically in terms of where they want to see the republican party, what kind of party they want going forward. there are trumps people and then the anti-trump people who are in
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some ways split in to different factions. it is hard to see that unity. certainly hard to see trump at the person who can bring that about because he's the object. >> especially in the aftermath of the cnn town hall earlier this week when all three candidates walked away from their earlier loyalty pledge that they would definitely support whoever the republican nominee is. >> trump walked away most of all. wolf, i think the real question here is, if cruz is the nominee, what will the trump people do? those are the people who have been turning out n great numbers and how disenfranchised will they feel if they believe the party establishlement, which includes the delegates at the convention, a lot of them are party establishment care about winning more than they primary voters. how will they feel if the party
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establishment they say takes or steals the nomination away from donald trump? what will that do to turn out in this election? this election is not going to be about persuading anyone. people who like bernie sanders or hillary clinton are not going to like the republican nominee. it is about getting your voters out there and what will that do to the republican party in the fall? >> whoever gets the nomination -- let's say it is not donald trump, but they will want the trump team out there supporting them. >> yeah. you know, even if donald trump doesn't run a third party bid which is hard to do. >> so late in july to get on ballots in all 50 states. >> is he in effect a third party bid because he's been shut out of the nomination? how do you bring those people in so anti-establishment or so cynical about the republican party. one of the things you hear is cruz may not be that much better
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but republicans might rather lose with cruz than risk what it would mean to have a donald trump -- >> lose with cruz. >> all right, guys. thank you very much. up next, hillary clinton says she is tired of the lies and firing back at claims from the bernie sanders campaign. we are looking at the finance fight, the upcoming battle for new york state. plus, united states and its allies are discussing the strategy to defeat isis. new information coming in on this historic sum underway right now. right here in washington.
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders consider new york a home state. bernie sanders born in brooklyn. hillary clinton was a u.s. senator from new york. both believe the result in the new york primary on april 19th will make a major statement about the state of the race. our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny is with me right now. we saw some passion from hillary clinton at an event last night in new york after someone asked her why she was taking money for her campaign from the fossil fuel industry. i want to play this clip.
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>> will you reject fossil fuel money and return your -- >> i have money from people that work for fossil fuel companies. i'm so sick of the sanders campaign lying about this. >> so sick of the sanders campaign lying about this. earlier today bernie sanders was asked about the incident. >> i'm not crazy about people disrupting meetings, but the fact of the matter is that secretary clinton has taken significant sums of money from the fossil fuel industry. >> the question is, is he or she right there's a debate underway right now. >> both are right. one thing is clear. the tensions are rising here. the length of the campaign has gotten under her skin. let's break it down. she received money from people who work in the industry from lobbyists in the industry. no, she has not received it from the industry itself.
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you can not accept a correspondent corporate contribution like that. so she is right she hasn't received money from the companies. he's right in the sense that she received money from people that make money from the companies but the root of his argument is she accepts big contributions and he does not. it is clear that this -- she is angry. she hoped to turn her attention to donald trump or republicans by now. did not expect to be competing so hard in the new york primary. >> the new york primary is shaping up to be a major moment. all of a sudden, we are hearing from the bernie sanders camp, unless hillary clinton wins by 60% or more it should be seen as a setback for her kban. >> she will accept a win even if it is 51%. the burden is to touch more on the sanders campaign. if he wins or runs to a draw he wins half of the delegates. there i was at a rally with bernie sanders in the south bronx, 18,000 people there. the most diverse crowd in this campaign. it is a real fight in new york.
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the progressive, sort of streak in the city that got mayor beblaz owe elected a couple of years ago is alive and well. >> he is supporting hillary clinton. >> he is supporting hillary clinton but a lot of his supporters are not. the people at this rally, for the next two weeks after wisconsin coming up next week, it is all new york. we haven't seen a competitive primary there since '88. >> major event. april 19th. both of these candidates are focusing on electability in a general election. bernie sanders says he could beat donald trump more thoroughly and quickly than hillary clinton. she says the opposite. >> bernie sanders is sounding like donald trump at the rallies. he is saying i could beat him by 20 points here or there. he could right now. the issue for bernie sanders is he is doing better than her against him head to head but he's not defined yet.
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there's the same anger out in the electorate that is giving rise to donald trump. also giving rise to bernie sanders. channelled in a different way here. head to head he could do a stronger, but that's why donald trump is a central figure in t democratic race. hillary clinton is saying i'm the only one that can stop him from winning the white house. perhaps they could both beat them. >> donald trump in almost every speech he makes the point, right ewe now i'm going after my two remaining republican rivals but wait you will see what i can do against hillary clinton or bernie sanders if it comes down to that. thank you very much. coming up, we'll switch gears as nuclear terrorism a real threat right now. what are they doing to secure materials. can isis get its hands on a dirty bomb? a critical summit is underway here in washington, d.c. right now. the president is hosting it. we will update you on what is going on. is a finely tuned instrument.
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president obama says nations have made significant progress toward nuclear safety but the threat of nuclear terrorism is ongoing and evolving, especially when it comes to isis. >> there's no doubt that if these mad men ever got their hands on a nuclear bomb or nuclear material they most certainly would use it to kill as many innocent people as possible. that's why our work here remains so critical. the single most effective defense against nuclear terrorism is fully securing this material so it doesn't fall in to the wrong hands in the first place. >> our global affairs
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correspondent is with us right now. there's going to be a special summit session devoted to isis, the fear of obtaining some radiological or dirty bomb. what are the expectations as of now? >> no doubt fierce of a dirty bomb, isis gets its hands on it is looming over the summit. we saw the raid on the belgian authorities of the suspect in the paris attacks related to the brussels isis cell. video surveillance of a top nuclear scientist. the concern is making sure this radiological material, this isn't kept in some very highly secured government location. it's in 130 countries, in hospitals, commercial and industrial plants. so there's going to be a lot of discussion on trying to secure it when it's being protected and transporting it and also what happens when you have these people working at these nuclear plants that could be radicalized or try to penetrate in the first place. another focus is trying on
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vetting these type of personnel to make sure terrorists aren't infiltrating the staff. >> and loose nukes. leaders from 50 nations here in washington right now at the invitation of the president. why isn't the russian president putin here? >> one of the most important people. >> you want to control loose nukes, you would think you want the russians. >> russia has the greatest stockpile in the world. that's a similar toll of the tengs between russia and the u.s. right now. putin and obama not getting along. >> he was invited, putin. >> he was going to come but tensions over syria and ukraine, it is a similar toll of that. the u.s. and russia are cooperating on nuclear issues but the fact that one of the greatest stockholders of one of the greatest stockpiles in the world the optics are not good and it does eliminate the chance of a breakthrough here. it does dampen momentum. >> for president obama, this is his final year in office. this is a legacy issue, if you
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will, the whole nuclear issue as he sees it. >> he tried to make nuclear proliferation the summit, every two years, one of the centerpiece of his foreign policy i'd say it is a mixed record. you had this historic nuclear deal, curbing iran's nuclear program, but north korea, the north korean threat is still looming large. you have a lot of -- a lot of countries have eliminated, more than a dozen countries eliminated all of their nuclear stockpiles but you have unsecured material in 25 others. it is a little spotty record. one of the highlights is 102 countries signing on to a provision of a treaty to really safeguard a lot of this radiological, civilian nuclear material, which is the big threat and vulnerable to theft. >> isis gets their hands on a dirty bomb and place it in a huge urban center would be catastrophic. that's the nightmare scenario they are working to prevent. thank you very much. turkey under fire for the
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treatment of journalists. this month they seized control of the largest newspaper. on friday, two journalists went on trial for espionage after publishing a video that allegedly showed turkey's intelligence agency sending weapons in to syria. cnn's chief international correspondent christiane amanpour sat down with the turkish president to ask him about the arrests. >> i'm a member of the press and a unesco ambassador for freedom of expression. i don't understand why somebody who's as secure as you are and has such a record when you were prime minister of democratizing turkey, why you have gone to war with the press in your country? what's the point of it? >> well, i'm not at war with press. we have to define what war against press stands for in your point of view and in my point of view. >> having them fired, going to jail, putting them on trial, closing newspapers, for
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instance? >>. >> espionage, do you think it is a freedom of expression or freedom of press. >> mr. president, every time we have this conversation, they get turned in to spies and terrorists. >> please answer this to me. >> nobody else says that. >> is espionage part of freedom of press. >> well, of course not. but that's not what we are talking about. we are talking about press, independent press in your democracy. i guess the way i can say it is this, the eu has said freedom of expression is a nonnegotiable condition for joining the eu, as you want to document you are in all of these talks with the eu. are you going to allow your press to be free? >> well, my country has laws in place. if a member of the press or an executive of a newspaper engaging in espionage disclosing a country's secrets to the rest of the world and if this conduct
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becomes a part of litigation it will result in a verdict. wherever you go around the world this is the case. engaging in actions not allowed by law should have certain prices to pay. that price will not be paid by the president of any different country. regardless of where you are at around the world, there are similar laws in place. there are many similar litigations going on. that's why in turkey, not myself nor my government, we have never done anything to stop freedom of expression or freedom of press. on the contrary, the press in turkey had been critical of me and my government, attacking me very seriously and regardless of those attacks we have been very nasht the way we responded to those attacks. this used to be the case when i was a prime minister and still the case as president. >> up next, we will get back to the race for the white house. john kasich, one of the presidential candidates is
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fighting hard for his place at the the convention in july in cleveland. aren't we seeing a change in tone, a dra dramatic change in tone from the ohio governor who promised to stay above the fray?
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of the three remaining republican presidential candidates, john kasich is in last case but he is touting his decades of public service as reason for staying in the race. what does his record say about his random conservativism. dana bash takes a closer look. >> reporter: in a campaign that favors outsiders, john kasich is an outliar. >> i was a state senator at 26. >> taking his candidacy from the
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beginning on his decades in elected office. >> i know i have the experience and the record and maybe even some of the personal strengths to be able to help country. >> reporter: appealing to moderate primary voters by positioning himself as a pragmatic conservative, favoring practical solutions over his rivals' rhetoric on issues from immigration to climate change. >> we have 11.5 million who came here illegally. you want to deport them. i'm not going to deport them either. i believe we contribute to climate change but it doesn't have to be either you are for environmental stringent rules or you are not going to have any jobs. >> reporter: kasich scoffs at the notion that he is anything but a conservative republican. >> you sound like a democrat sometimes. >> i will tell you something weird about this. i balanced more budgets than anybody just about walking the face of the earth. i'm kidding but i have done that. i have cut taxes every step of the way with the largest tax
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cuts in ohio of any sitting governor right now. i'm for school choice. >> reporter: on issues like abortion, kasich's record is far from moderate. as governor of ohio, he defunded planned parenthood and signed a law banning abortion after 20 weeks, but his decision to expand medicaid under obamacare, making the program more available to constituents wrangled many in the gop. kasich defends his action by saying when he dies he won't be asked at the pearly gates about government spending but who he helped. where else does that principle guide you in your policy. >>? >> it relates to early childhood education, poor kids, people in prison, giving them a chance to get their lives back if they want to earn their way there. >> give me 'big hug. >> reporter: that passionate conservativism makes him more appealing to democrats and independents and opens him up to attacks to the right. a ted cruz super pac is running
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this ad against kasich in wisconsin. >> give us john kasich's liberal record no surprise his campaign isn't rebounding because john kasich won't play in wisconsin. >> reporter: his crossover appeal makes him more competitive when it comes to the general election according to the latest poll. something kasich is constantly eager to point out. >> what good does it do to win a primary in a narrow way and get your brains beat out in the general if i you want to elect the president. i'm the only one who polls ahead of hillary clinton. >> dana is joining us now. dana, you have been out on the campaign trail with him. over in the many months you have seen changes develop. what are they? >> we have seen them in the past few days. the fact is he never mentioned his opponents in hi many town halls, never mind the debates that cnn and others hosted. that changed with his big speech this week going after point by
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point why he thinks donald trump is wrong on the issues, but he is clerly conflicted about it, woman. just today, he was on the campaign trail and denounced his own super pac ad hitting ted cruz. they don't legally coordinate but he wanted to make a point to say he didn't support it because he doesn't want to use the "l" word, the liar word. he wants to go far enough to contrast with his opponents, but trying to, as he says, not take the low road to the highest office. he even admits it is probably the fact that he hasn't engaged made it so he has not been paid attention to that long. until now he is only one of three people in the race. >> he's doing a live event, a town hall as you can see the pictures coming in. yesterday he didn't mince words. he said that donald trump is not fit to be commander in chief. he's not fit to be the president
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of the united states. >> that's right. it took him a long time to get there. he argues that he's not personally attacking him. he's not going in to the gutter with the kind of language that we have heard, but he is going after him as somebody who he doesn't think should have the job because of the issues. even that, which is your basic contrast, that every candidate does, he's not wanted to go there. he said he wants to talk about himself and not others and that's changing now that he is desperate to make it to cleveland. >> very tough yesterday. he's got no chance of getting 1237, the number of delegates you need on the first round. >> mathematically impossible. >> for him to do so. >> his only hope is that no one gets the 1237, a second, third and fourth round and then the delegates are free to pick whoever they want. he could emerge, that's what he believes, as the nominee because he says he is the most electable
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in a general election against hillary clinton. >> that's his strategy. to go to the convention in his home state of ohio, to get there and assuming the first ballot fails and there's no nominee, that the delegates will look around and say wa you heard him say at the end of the piece there which is he is the only one that polls show can beat hillary clinton. there's a lot of problems with that but the biggest one is current rules left over from the 2012 convention say you have to have won eight states to be considered for that. he's won one so far. those rules are changed every four years by the rules committee, but this year is so different. things are so volatile it would be hard to see if they change. >> his only home state of ohio. we will see how he does on tuesday, in new york, pennsylvania and other states where he could do well. thank you. up next, donald trump in his own words, words like revenge
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donald trump has come under fire this week for changing his answers on abortion. but that's not the only issue he's changed stances on. he has been in the spotlight over a quarter century and been open about his thoughts, expectations and his expertise in business. i want to bring in our justice reporter scott glover. the perception is that america knows almost everything about donald trump. the two of you did amazing work the past several weeks. you went through thousands of pages of his books, speeches, television interviews over the past three decade and written an amazing article on let me start with you mave. what clues surprised you the most in the research about donald trump? >> well, we have been looking in his behavior for clues about
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what kind of president donald trump would be. his writings over the last three decades a lot was business tips and trump trivia and a lot about his decision making process and how he views the world and amazing quotes. one oi my favorites is when he talks about how he makes creative choices. he said i try to step back and remember my first shallow reaction. the day i realized it can be smart to be shallow was for me a deep experience. so, it's a lot of in to the way he thinks, he way he goes with instinct as he makes decisions. he talked about feeling early on that he was able to express his opinions forcefully, even tells of giving a music teach area black eye in the second grade and almost getting expelled. and he said now i like to think with my brain instead of my
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fists. it was a fascinating way to look at donald trump and a lot of it jives with what we see on the campaign trail. >> scott, you both said there were a number of recurrent themes that crept out throughout the writings and interviews, themes including revenge, distrust. tell us about that. >> there is an entire chapter devoted to the theme of revenge. it begins with the line "i always get even." he goes on to tell the story of a whom he hired from a government job where she was making peanuts and a nobody in this job and i turned her in to a somebody. when he was facing tough times in the early '90s and need ed a favor he asked this woman who had a close friend in the banking industry to reach out on his behalf. in the book it says, "donald, i can't do that." and he felt horribly betrayed and he got rid of her, as he put
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it, and then went on to talk about her losing her home and her husband and how he was happy that had happened. and anytime anyone called for a recommendation that it was a bad recommendation and he just couldn't stomach the disloyalty that he considered this act to be. if that didn't make the point quite enough, at the end there was a key point about what to do when exacting revenge and he said, go for the jugular. that way people who are watching won't want this to happen to them. >> they won't want to mess with you, his specific words. one chapter sub head said "do not trust anyone," chapter sub head in one of his books skts. how has that played out in his life? >> you think of just that theme over the last, even thinking of the events in the last week, we have seen him go through a
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difficult time with his campaign manager, corey lewandowski, who is, you know, has been accused of grabbing a female reporter. what is really important to him is loyalty. people he can trust. he talks about how earlier in his life he used to hire the best people. he learned over time, through shenanigans to hire the best people but don't trust them. i thought it was a fascinating way in which he looks at the world. one in which we have to start to wonder what kind of a white house he would have? what kind of inner circle he would have? whether it would be insular decision making, who he would reach out to. he talks in his book about how it is okay to be paranoid. he said some of the most successful people are paranoid. how he feels he will be able to get the right advice and trust the right advice going forward. >> it's interesting because i
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thought the piece you guys wrote was fascinating. he is 69 years old and people supposedly mellow as they get older. it is hard to believe some of the things that come out in the course of the campaign. i've interviewed him many times over the years. it seems, hard to believe, a bit more mellow than ten, 15, 20 years ago, but what's is your impression? >> yeah. you know, there was a bit of back and forth throughout the books. some kind of contradictory positions on things. there were times when he would seem a little softer on these tones. he talked once about talking about the notion of revenge in front of a group of priests and felt a little bad afterwards. he back pedalled a little bit but came back to sometimes you have to do it. so i guess it depends on the day and the book. >> great work, guys. thank you very much. to our viewers out there, you
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can read the excellent article on donald trump's words over these many decades. go to this is definitely worth your while. you should read this article. let's discuss what we just heard. i want to bring in my panel to talk about these themes embraced by donald trump. kay looe /* li. >> if donald trump was that bad of a guy, so evil, all of the efforts to do this, if he were that bad, i think you would have droves of people saying this is a bad guy, here's my experience. in fact, we don't see that. we see one or two people from the trump university come out. in fact, we see people say the
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opposite, he was a great pobossi liked him a lot. >> what did you think? >> i think it is a window into who he is as a person, these are his own words. so if we are to believe what he actually says, then what are we supposed to believe? is it all an act? is it sincere? do we pick and choose the things we do like about what he says, or do we focus on the consistent record of things he says? i find a lot of what was reported, i've read one of his books, i've read "the art of the deal," and it's interesting, everything he says in there, he is doing in his campaign. i've said this before, out of the abundance of the heart, so a man speaks. so to sit here and dismiss what donald trump is saying in his own words, i think it defies logic. it's clear that his behavior does comport with what he says. i mean, you see, he does it over and over again. now, for the people who don't come out, we don't hear about them, well, perhaps he's
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threatened to exact revenge on him. perhaps he's done as documented, he sues people into oblivion to keep them quiet. he's a big bully in business. perhaps the people who work for him are happy with the money they're making so they're not going to talk out against their boss. those aren't excuses for the kind of things that trump has done -- >> he's been very blunt, he says, you know what, you slug me, i'm going to slug you a lot harder. >> one of the things people appreciate about his campaign is that he is authentic. you see with donald trump the good, the bad and ugly it all too often you see candidates would come out and they're mannequin candidates. they perfectly craft the exact narrative they think the voters want to hear and they put forward this false pretense of who they are. with donald trump, he goes on every show he's asked to go on. you see the good, you see the bad. it's refreshing. >> there's a lot of ugly going on. only 37% of republican voters
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have actually voted for donald trump. >> he's got 2 million more votes than ted cruz and many million more than kasich. >> that may be true but we're not done with the process, number one. number two, it's more than just, you know, people voting. we also have delegates. we have a process. donald trump is upset about that. those are the rules of the game he signed up for. you don't get to wihine and complain if the rules don't go the way you want them to. that oh, it's not fair, all these people are voting for him, they're going to take it away. no, those are the rules. those have been the rules. you have to win a majority. help has yet to do that. we're not going to fall in line behind someone that exacts revenge on people, that is so petty he can't let things go ta continues to make offensive statements for women. >> here's the question to you. if he's the republican nominee, will you vote for him or will you vote for the democrat? >> i will not vote for the
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democrat and under no circumstances will i vote for donald trump. >> you want to respond? >> a vote for donald trump or sitting on the sidelines is a vote for hillary clinton. i think the attitude of let's all look to the rules, which by the way, many of the rules are made the week before the convention. when you take a hard look, you see it elevates the will of the delegates over the will of the people. this is why voters are turning out to vote for trump. they're sick and tired of an establishment saying this is the guy we want, like it or not. for the first time, people are standing up -- >> how do you explain, tara, he said so many controversial things over these many months but he seems to have this teflon coating that he keeps on going and going and going. >> yes, i think it's a couple of things. i think the psychology behind voters today, there's such blind rage and this angry populism has overtaken logic and common sense on this. they make excuses for him because i think they're emotional invested.
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i think that's dangerous. protest votes are dangerous. in history, we've seen the result. also to give kay leigh a little bit of a history lesson, in people are upset about delegates, i guess you trump supporters are going to have a problem with the electorate college. you don't win by popular vote, you win by the delegates and the electoral college. is he going to sue the electoral college? it's the same concept in the conventions. >> no, it's not the same concept. >> yes, it is. the rules that do change have to do with little minor things but the rules have never changed with the majority. you must have a majority of the delegates to win and everything else, you know, the other parts of the rules that have changed are not the big deal, the majority of the rules have not changed. >> right now in the republican party, you have unbound delegates appointed by the rnc that sit on the sidelines. if they don't like the candidates selected pie the people, they can go elsewhere. electoral college, you don't put the american people off to the
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side -- >> no, those delegates are not necessarily bound, if it ever comes down to a vote in the house of representatives. there's all kinds of checks and balances within the electoral college. this whole thing about the one person, one vote, is actually not the way it is. our founding fathers put a framework in to protect us from ourselves sometimes if that's necessary to do so you guys better get -- this argument about the rules i think is weak. either you win or you don't. you go back to -- let's take football. you don't get to change the goal line -- >> very quickly. >> -- because you don't make a touchdown -- >> the american people disagree with you, the monmouth poll shows 54% of people think if donald trump falls short of the 1,237 -- >> that's the american people -- >> let's see what happens on tuesday in wisconsin -- >> he's going to lose. >> all right, thank you very much. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back, 5:00 p.m. eastern, in "the situation room." for our international viewers,
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hello, i'm pamela brown in today for brooke baldwin. after a whirlwind week in which he ticked off people on both sides of the abortion debate and reneged on a promise to support whomover becomes the gop nominee, donald trump is now turning his attention to math, as in delegate moth of course. a gop source tells cnn walking trump and his top aides through the delegate process was the main focus of his meeting with rnc chief reince priebus in washington. it's even more of a possibility, given the possibility of a contested convention. trump is now saying it'