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hello, i'm pamela brown in today for brooke baldwin. after a whirlwind week in which he ticked off people on both sides of the abortion debate and reneged on a promise to support whomover becomes the gop nominee, donald trump is now turning his attention to math, as in delegate moth of course. a gop source tells cnn walking trump and his top aides through the delegate process was the main focus of his meeting with rnc chief reince priebus in washington. it's even more of a possibility, given the possibility of a contested convention. trump is now saying it's hard to
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imagine losing the nomination with all the support he has. >> it's millions of votes ahead of everyone else. i really think that whoever has that kind of an advantage should get it. i think it's -- >> all right, and this is -- >> and as you probably know by now, 1,237 is the magic number. right now, trump leads his rivals with 739 pledge delegates to gate. a new poll out just days ahead of tuesday's wisconsin primary shows ted cruz with a ten-point advantage over trump. this is the second poll to show cruz up by ten points. so let's dissect all of this with jonathan allen, political column must with roll cool and co-biography on hillary clinton. also nia mallika henderson and editor mark preston. great to have you all on today.
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so we've now learned from our sources, nia, that the main focus of that meeting, as i said, was on math, delegate math. do you think this attention on the delegate process could be a sign that trump is worried? >> well, you know, you talked to his people and i was on the phone with a trump senior adviser about an hour ago, and they don't seem worried, they actually feel confident that trump will get the 1,239, even more than 1,239 is what this particular official said, and of course that is what campaigns do, they're supposed to project that kind of confidence. if you look at where he is now at 739, he essentially has about 500 more to go. if you look at april, there are about 400 delegates, some of those are winner take all, but the overwhelming majority are proportional. then you get, you know, into may and june. he will have opportunities to pick up winner take all states there. i think, though, just focus on the delegate map.
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does suggest the republican party, the rnc, sort of official establishment republicans in all these different states, have been effective in essentially normalizing this idea that if donald trump is short of that , 1,239, that there's a whole other process, that essentially it starts over in the convention and that he could be denied the nomination, even if he gets the most votes, even if he gets the most delegates, it looks like he will going into this convention. in that way, i think they have been successful in terms of putting this conversation and emphasis on this very complicated delegate math and this strategy of the convention. >> it's 1,237, right, not 1,239? >> right. >> all of this, frankly, from my perspective, is confusing, because every state has their own delegate rules and then you have the contested convention
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and so forth. "the new york times" is reporting that trump chided his aides for not doing their job when the fight turned to delegates. but then saying he did not express aggravation with his team. what do we make of this? >> i spoke to somebody who was well briefed open what happened in that meeting yesterday. they didn't say necessarily that the trump aides were chided, but there seemed to be an acknowledgement coming out of that meeting, and quite frankly i think it had been building over the last couple of weeks, that the trump campaign had been focusing so much on winning states and not understanding the process is more of a multilayer process that you have to do to win. and think that's what we come out of the meeting. in addition to that, we also saw and was told that it was -- there was an enormous amount of talk about unity. that was a big focus of the meeting yesterday. especially coming out of cleveland. when we go into the cleveland convention in july, there's a lot of talk about, you know, will there be fighting on the
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floor, will there be riots taking place outside, and there was a discussion that there needs to be unity from the republican party, which is fractured right now, to come together, if they're going to defeat the democratic nominee in november. going back to the delegate math, the trump campaign did bring somebody on board about a week ago. maybe perhaps even just a few days ago, paul manafor, very well-established republican. the question is, did they do it too late. >> that is the question. we'll have more on that with randy evans later in the show. "the new york times" is also reporting, quote, republicans who once worried mr. trump might gain overwhelming momentum in the primaries are now becoming preoccupied with a different grim prospect, that mr. trump might become a kind of zombie candidate, damaged beyond the point of repair, but too late for any of the rivals to stop him. jonathan, is there any validity to that?
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clearly at this point, there's no evidence of him weakening. >> there's certainly republicans who are worried donald trump is going to be the nominee and cost them seats in the house and the senate, perhaps cost them both chambers that he could -- cost him the presidential election by landslide, and there are people who are talking about possibly putting up another candidate for other republicans to sort of come to. i think what's important to remember when we look at this process is the reason that donald trump won't get 1,237 delegates, if he doesn't get them, is the majority of republican voters at that point will have voted for somebody else. when you go into that republican nomination process, it is designed for that reason so that you're not nominating somebody who got a third of the votes or a quaer of the votes. if nobody got a majority of votes, what you're doing is finding a consensus candidate a majority of republicans agree to. when you pull back a little bit, the process makes a lot more sense. you hear donald trump talk about getting robbed, but if you're not the majority candidate, i
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think both parties look at it like you ought to be able to find a candidate that everybody can get behind and that's, you know, when you hear the concern about him having a zombie candidacy is that most republicans can't get behind him now. >> nia, trump in the meantime is now saying that he may have misspoke when talking about punishment and women who get abortions, if it's illegal. there's a superpac supporting hillary clinton and planned parenthood that's sort of teaming up now to seize on that gaffe. listen to this. >> pretty picture. you dropping to your knees. you wouldn't have your job if you weren't beautiful. do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> so this 30-second online spot
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targets voters in ohio and d.c. nia, what do you make of that? >> well i, you know, think republicans are very worried about this. obviously democrats have seized on his comments, but we've seen republicans do in the past. just a few weeks ago, there was an anti-trump superpac that put out an ad that basically just had women reading words from donald trump, talking about women in disparaging ways often. so this is what republicans are so afraid of. that they will essential naturally 2016, come november, if trump is at the head of their party, they would see another version of the war on women. which worked so successfully for democrats in 2012 and that democrats would be able to tie every single republican on every ballot across the country to donald trump. even if republicans tried to run away from him. i think this is just a preview of what might happen, what would certainly happen come november and certainly what republicans are afraid of and what
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republicans themselves are seizing on now to try to get some momentum behind these other candidates like ted cruz and john kasich. >> and speaking of a preview, jonathan, do you think this is a sign this ad is a sign of a possible general election matchup between these two will get really nasty? >> yes, i think there's mutually assured destruction. the difference between a nuclear war and mutually assured destruction. in politics, you can win the nuclear war. that is to say if you bomb the other side enough, you can drive down -- drive up their negatives, drive up their positives and win because it's an either/or. obviously in a real nuclear situation, both sides can lose. >> trump's rivals are going after him in different ways, in fact, now comparing him to one of the biggest tv reality stars out there. take a listen. mark preston, i'll come to you on the other side. >> there's no doubt that donald trump is the kim kardashian presidential candidate.
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he sits on twitter and makes a lot of noise, but he has no solutions to fixing the problem. >> i believe that the overwhelming majority of the delegates at a convention will take this responsibility very seriously. and i think that's where we're going. i think it's going to be fantastic. probably be less kardashians, more who's going to be president. >> comparing kim kardashian to donald trump, mark, come on, is that fair? >> the big winner in all that is kim kardashian because she's now been discussed in the presidential race. she actually talked about running for mayor i believe out in california last year. listen, here's the situation. the fact is that donald trump has been able to drive up his appeal to many poom for his time as a reality television show star. what we're seeing from those two candidates right now, john kasich and ted cruz, they're trying to belittle him and they're trying to knock him down
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and say he has no policy proposals, that he talks off the cuff, and one thing we didn't show from john kasich there is that john kasich brought into question whether he would want to have donald trump with his finger on the button for nuclear weapons. that is a very strong argument. a very tough argument to make against a candidate. but i will tell you what, we will continue to hear more of that, there's no question about that. i believe that donald trump and kim kardashian are going to be discussed more and more and more. >> the saga will continue to say the least. jonathan allen, nia mallika henderson, mark preston, thanks so much. and now this -- >> i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about that, i'm sick of it. >> hillary clinton going off on bernie sanders and his campaign, not only is sanders now responding, but here's a question, would we even be talking about this if she were a male candidate? plus, the cia accidentally leaves explosives on a school bus that children would eventually get on to. and then there's this new
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new york state of mind is an understatement. democrats hillary clinton and bernie sanders are laser focused on winning that primary and new york of course has long been considered clinton country. but sanders was born in brooklyn. now it's unclear who has home field advantage. sanders today stopped by one of the country's biggest hip-hop radio stations. >> it's natural, it's natural, you're going to think twice. >> addressing a crowd of 15,000 in the bronx, as we see, sanders continued to hammer clinton on environmental issues and that talking point echoed all the way to a clinton rally in purchase, new york, with the candidate getting fired up. watch how she reacted to a greenpeace activist. >> thank you for tackling climate change. will you act on your word and
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reject fossil fuel money in the future in your campaign? >> i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about this, i'm sick of it. >> that activist is claiming she didn't work for the sanders campaign but let's talk more about this with robert zimmerman, clinton supporter, and former congressional black caucus director angela rye. thanks to both of you for coming on. >> good to be with you. >> robert, let's start with you because we see this interaction. it's a side of her we don't often see. what do you make of it? is she frustrated with repeated questions about that? >> can i tell you, as a clinton supporter, as a democratic national committeeman, i was pleased to see her finally take on these lies in this campaign of slander and misinformation that's being led by the sanders campaign. i mean, obviously the charge itself is false. and the fact that the sanders campaign continues to perpetrate, keep it going, i should say, is a much bigger
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problem. so, you know, it's a very genuine exchange. it's real. it's authentic. and it's about time. i'm glad she did it. >> you know, angela, i've seen other headlines that say this was an outburst, she's flipping out, she's losing her cool. it made us wonder if a male presidential candidate had this kind of tone, would there be the same reaction? >> i would argue of course not, right. i think hillary clinton is often charged with sounding shrill, with sounding like she's screaming, even though we know bernie sanders often his main volume is very, very loud, so we know that is of course not a fair criticism. i know that anyone who continues to be accused of something is likely to at some point respond. i think the one fair point is hillary clinton has received money from several different types of folks who work in several different types of industries. i think the frustration is coming from the fact i believe
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there's a "washington post" chart today that shows just how little she is received from employees of the industry. now, that does not mean they're giving money on behalf of the companies to persuade her to act in any certain way. it means these are individuals who happen to work in these companies who like what she's talking about. >> that's exactly two -- >> so i think that's vastly different. >> we're talking about .2% of her entire campaign donations come from individuals who work in these industries. likewise, senator sanders campaign has received over $50,000, according to the center for responsive politics, from people who work in these industries as well. i think the charge itself is baseless. but the more -- >> sanders of course says a majority of his money though is coming from, you know, average everyday people who donate small amounts of money at we're seeing his momentum grow. he had 15,000 people turn out to his rally in the bronx last night. he raised $44 million in march alone. should clinton be concerned?
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>> well, of course, look, i take nothing away from the sanders campaign and the energy they've collected and the energy they've created. let's also remember, as someone who raises money for secretary clinton, many of her donors are also average working americans and her donations are coming in strongly, not just online but through gathering. the bigger point is while i take nothing away from senator sanders crowds and his rallies, secretary clinton still has 2 million more votes than bernie sanders has and is leading in elected delegates. not just the rallies and the sound bites, but the actual votes and the delegates who were elected. >> she has lost six out of the last seven races, right, against bernie sanders? >> that's true, she's lost some but she's also won the state that represents greater diversity. >> we know both campaigns are in talks to schedule a debate in
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new york, but the clinton campaign says it all depends on sanders tone. i want to show you a tweet sent out this morning saying i've been criticized for my big ideas, you know, wasn't too by in the sky, pie in the sky for my opponent $1.7 trillion to invade iraq. that's the tweet from sanders. is that the tone the clinton campaign is talking about? >> here's the reality. this race, pamela, is going to be over soon. bernie sanders initially talked about not -- or dropping out some time after june or not even considering it until june, rather, and now he's saying he'll take it right to the convention. there's not a huge gulf between these candidates. when secretary clinton was in the senate, she of course had a voting record that was 93% the same as bernie sanders. and so what i think would be good for the party right now is to stand behind each other on where there is similarities. on where they see issues the
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same. i don't think there's anything wrong with that particular tweet, to point out the differences. i just don't see it being effective right now. bernie sanders has done very well with millennials and of course robert talked about the enthusiasm. him turning out 15,000 folks in new york and he did the same thing in seattle last week. i think now is the time to start talking about how we can start supporting each other and moving those folks along to support them -- >> final thought, robert. >> you know, angela, to your point, our party may need -- the democratic party may need couples counseling when this is over but the republicans will need anger management therapy. >> they need more than that. >> i'd much rather be where the democratic party is going forward to victory in november then sighing where the republicans are. >> angela rye, robert zimmerman, thank you. coming up on this friday, the cia accidentally leaves explosive material on a school bus after a training exercise and then, get this, elementary
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school students rode on that explosive laden bus before the material was discovered. what happened here? that story up next. plus, a dramatic rescue. two police officers jump into action to save the life of a little girl and it's all caught on the dash cam. americans. we're living longer than ever. as we age, certain nutrients become especially important. from the makers of one a day fifty-plus. one a day proactive sixty-five plus. with high potency vitamin b12 and more vitamin d.
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a big oops by the cia. officials say agents accidentally left explosive material on a virginia school bus, a bus that actually drove children around with that material still hidden on board. national correspondent suzanne
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malveaux has more on how this happened and what the cia has to say about it, suzanne. >> pam, it's pretty alarming. you can imagine how parents of those kids riding on that bus reacted. they were absolutely shocked. these students, they'd been riding this bus for two days before this explosive training material had actually been found. here's how it happened. this is according to loudon county school officials and the cia. last week the students were on spring break. the cia has using the bus to train its canine units who were trying to figure out how to detect these explosive materials. those involved in the training inadvertently left the explosive material on the bus. when the students returned from their break monday and tuesday, the bus transported 26 students from two elementary schools as well as a high school, made eight runs, logging about 145 miles. it wasn't until wednesday that a maintenance worker doing a routine check discovers the explosive material hidden in the bus's engine compartment. that is when loudoun county
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sheriff office was notified, swell the cia. an e-mail goes out last night stating the explosive training material was, quote, in a benign state and could not be activated through normal operation of the bus. just watch. >> and state that it's in, you have to have a blasting cap or something to actually make it explo explode. that was not the case. we partnered with law enforcement to allow them to train. to get to know our schools in case we have some kind of active shooter or emergency. >> they're trying to put everybody at ease. the cia releasing this statement today saying to prevent such incidents from happening again, cia has taken immediate steps to strengthen inventory and control procedures in its canine program. cia will also conduct a mothoroh and independent review of cia's canine training program. it has performed a full inventory and accounted for all explosive training material
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used. >> wow, i imagine that was a big shock to parents but am glad everyone is okay in this situation. >> could you imagine that? >> no, and the inspector looking at the bus finding explosive material. just incredible. i have to be honest, when i first heard it, i said, was this an april fools something or whatever. but unfortunately, it is not april fool's joke. they say they've taken care of it. we'll see. >> suzanne, thank you. two officers are being hailed as heroes after they jumped into action to save the life of a little girl who was choking on the side of the road. this is just the latest example of police going beyond the call of duty. >> it was a thursday night in the chicago suburb in illinois when the call came in. >> 911. >> a good samaritan pulled over when she noticed a frantic woman on the side of the road. an 18-month-old was having a seizure and struggling to
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breathe according to her grandmother. >> is the child breathing or coughing? >> the baby's not coughing, she's not breathing. >> officer's dash cam video picked up the rest. >> i just bolted out of my car and ran towards her and picked her up. >> his partner kevin o'connor was right behind him. >> my heart was bounding so heart i could feel it. >> fearing the worse, both officers were able to put panic aside. >> i looked at her and says, dear god this doesn't look good, this is bad. and i basically grabbed her and was frantically trying to bring her back and revive her and miraculously, the lord just gave her life again. >> the little girl started breathing again and was whisked away by paramedics. her family told cnn she suffered a seizure but is now home doing better. >> out of my 21 years, that's probably the most terrifying event i've had to experience. >> both officers will tell you that what happened on this very
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spot really did hit close to home. you see, they each have daughters of their own. >> this girl was not that much younger than mine. and that's what went through my mind. >> i think the hat we put on at that moment was the hat of a dad. >> whether you call them officers or dads, the child's grateful family says they'll call the officers something else from now, they're heroes. >> brian is very modest. he's my hero. >> oh, kevin's my hero too. >> cnn, illinois. >> what a story there. up next on this friday, the republican nomination could all come down to the party rules that govern delegates. so what actually goes on behind closed doors? the proverbial smoke filled back rooms of a political convention. i'll talk with someone who has about there and knows firsthand. plus, president obama speaking at a summit today, warned if terrorists get their
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donald trump is backing off his gop loyalty pledge and the move may cost him delegates he dearly needs. he says he no longer stands by his vow to support the eventual nominee. that means south carolina could yank all 50 of trump's delegates. the state party requires republican candidates to pledge loyalty to the eventual nominee. the potential for big-time delegate drama came up when trump huddled with rnc chairman reince priebus. i want to talk it over with
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committee member randy evans, an expert on gop nominating process. thanks for coming back on, randy. >> thanks for having me. >> you just spoke to reince priebus this morning. what do you know about that meeting yesterday? and what do you think trump's questions were about delegates during the meeting? >> i think it was an opportunity for him to visit. i think all the candidates stay in touch with priebus regularly to make sure everybody kind of stays on the same page. it was a wonderful photo op for a campaign that's had a really bad week. it was a moment of coming together as opposed to coming apart. i think it served a very useful purpose for both. >> so what do you think donald trump's big concern is when it comes to delegates? do you think he can get to that magic 1,237? >> the delegate math is unforgiving. even before we started to see the polls turn in wisconsin, we started to see some erosion, some possible challenges. i think at that point, he's probably looking at being about
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75 to 100 delegates short. that's if he continued on his current trajectory. wisconsin, as you know, is going to be that coalescing moment of the "anybody but trump" crowd and those who support donald trump and that way what you're see is both john kasich and senator cruz changing this election into being a referendum on donald trump. so it's not so much as why cruz is good or why kasich is good, it's a referendum on whether or not the republican party can come behind donald trump. >> bottom line, you don't think he can make it to that number if he doesn't win wisconsin? >> that's right. i think it would have been tough even winning wisconsin. but i ran ten different scenarios. we have a computer model that runs those. two of those models, both involve winning wisconsin. >> i have to ask you this because we know it happened in louisiana with the delegates. clearly trump wasn't happy. it was reported by "the new york times" trump confronted his advisers for not being totally
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prepped on the process. do you think his advisers are failing him here? >> candidly, we've just seen -- he's had what i call a rookie mistake week. literally first-time candidates do things like this. like how could you not be prepared for a question on abortion. you know that issue is going to come up. you know it's going to be a centerpiece of a republican primary. how do you not have a canned prepared speech? how do you not know the delegate rules in louisiana? there's a long list of them that go down. really i think you're start to see him now recalibrate the campaign, bring in people who are actually professionals, at the art of politics, so those kind of mistakes can get changed. but if you've never run for office before, those are the kinds of mistakes that can cost you in the end. >> with delegates, it's not as simple as you run a state. each state has its own set of rules. in south carolina particularly, this could be an issue for trump, right, when it comes to the delegates he won there. why so? >> there's all kinds of rules.
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in south carolina, the issue of whether or not you maintain your littlety to the party. there are other states that have a variety of nuanced rules. literally, it's 56 different mini-primaries. it's not a national campaign. it's a series of 56 individualized state campaigns. and i think they're learning the hard way, you better learn those rules and they're not simple, they're rather archaic. if you make a mistake, one or two delegates here or there, it starts to add up. it's hard to get to the 1,237 anyway. i was going to say, as we all know, we talked about it a lot, which is you have to win a majority of eight states. if you only have ten winner take all states, it becomes very difficult to make sure that you can put together a majority of delegates in eight states to even get your name and nomination. >> that rule could change too, right? i mean -- >> the convention could change any rule. when the convention rules committee meets, it will make recommendations. they'll go to the floor of the
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convention. the convention can dealt whatever rules. if you don't have a presumptive nominee is where's the majority of delegates, because no one can candidate will have a majority. they can't dictate the rules. you do need a majority of delegates to pass the rules. you really could be looking at a really kind of chaotic moment there at the beginning of the convention. before a single ballot gets cast, we first vote on the credited deentials and, second,n the rules, and the rules, as you know, can dictate the outcome. >> i have a feeling you're very good at math, randy evans, this is a lot to keep up with. >> well, i think we're going to see a lot more math come along. i think at the end of the day, we're looking at either a contested or an open convention. we're looking at the possibility that it will be limited to three candidates if kasich can get two or three and they change the rules so you have fewer states or you can literally have an open convention which is to change the rules to permit anyone to be nominated.
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>> far from over, clearly, randy evans, appreciate it. up next on this friday, as the white house calls donald trumpance nuclear ideas catastrophic, president obama's hosting a summit with dozens of world leaders about how to keep nukes out of the hands of terrorists. plus, how does donald trump see himself? cnn has combed through transcripts, video, everything the man has said basically. we found some interesting observations, including why trump feels he's part of the, quote, lucky sperm club. show me movies with romance.
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what's recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. plutonium in the hands of the most barbaric terrorists on earth. a very real threat and top of the agenda as leaders from across the world meet right now in washington. president obama weighing in on state of global nuclear security and how to stop groups like isis from waging nuclear terrorism. >> just the smallest amount of plutonium about the size of an apple could kig and injure hundreds of innocent people. it would be a humanitarian
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political, economic and environmental catastrophe with global ramifications for decades. it would change our world. so we cannot be complacent. we have to build on our progress. this will also be an opportunity to make sure that we're doing everything in our power to keep a terrorist group like isil from ever getting its hands not just on a nuclear weapon but any weapon of mass destruction. >> joining me now, our guest, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and author of "ashley's war" and contributing editor at atlanta media's defense one. gail, just to get right to it, how real is this threat like a group like isis getting its hands on nuclear material? >> folks closest to it says there's no sign of an immediate plan or anything they think is imminent but is the ambition there, yes, right, and you know having talked to people inside and outside the administration since 2012, 2013, about the threat of what was happening,
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and then the rise of isis, you know, this has always been the fear that this would become -- syria would become this club med for foreign fighters, for people seeking to do wrong to west and other developed countries and this would get their hands on material that would allow them to make a dirty bomb. >> i remember a report several months ago about this motion of criminals and the maldovians were saying criminals in their country were trying to sell nuclear materials to isis or just trying to find a buyer, but i remember they were saying, you know, but there's a lot of protections in place, right, at the borders and so forth, to detect nuclear materials from crossing countries, correct? >> right. you have sort of the protections versus transnational networks. and nobody really understands the full extent to which the isis network has penetrated both some of the places where this kerl could come from and places where they would want to detonate it.
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this is the fear. there are universities, hospi l hospitals, places that you wouldn't think of that have this material. >> we heard an iraqi official come out recently and say they're using labs at mosul university to make these materials and so forth, these bombs. >> absolutely, right, that is the big fear. the story about mosul university is incredibly worrying. and then if you look at what happens with belgium, right, i've been following german media closely and they've been talking a lot about this that there was video found of a belgium nuclear research center. so there was one of the issues we're facing. is this extent and depth of these transactional networks is something we don't fully yet understand and i think the horrible attacks in belgium really exposed yet again the threat that this could pose and everybody wants to make sure that this is stopped before we get anywhere near that as a reality. >> no doubt, that is being discussed during the summit. but there are some arms control advocates who worry that obama
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has lost his momentum on this issue of nuclear proliferation. of course, as we know, he has less than ten months left in office. how much progress has been made. what is he likely to achieve from this summit? >> well, a great deal of program has been made. certainly the u.s. and russia have had really i think pretty productive conversations. you have seen the nuclear proliferation curbed to some extent, much less than the president and others might have wanted, but certainly directionally it's in the right direction. the question is everybody outside the room, right, north korea, isis, you know, people who -- everybody is really worried about would never be part of these frameworks. people who don't have return addresses in the case of isis who are trying to get ahold of this material. >> all right, gail lemmon, thank you for sharing that perspective. coming up, cnn's bill weir goes west and follows the colorado river for the next episode of "the wander list." absolutely breathtaking scenes.
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and a looming environmental threat. he joins me live with a preview, up next. and a chilling video, a police officer firing eight shots at a fellow cop. we'll show you what led up to this stunning mistake and the shooter's horrified response.
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cnn's bill weir is traveling deep into parts of the vanishing colorado river. on this sunday's "wander list," he plunges down a section of the waterway where civil conversation's impact is becoming more obvious. >> reporter: a mile or two later, jack turns from rackentour to rower.
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here we go. have a train coming overhead. we're doing this. awesome. good timing. they call this rapid pin ball for all the boats that bounce off the train trestle. woo. here's the tricky part. wow, look at this. go, jack. go, jack. yeah. he tells me if it weren't for this train, the federal government might have dammed this stretch of the colorado so he's grateful but he worries. about derailments and dam failures and the kind of toxic mine leak that turned the nearby animus river bright orange. >> those are kind of worst case accident type feels but the thing that i worry about is the death from a thousand cuts. taking a little bit more water.
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if denver water takes another 10%. that's the kind of thing that would kill this river slowly. >> so bill is back from his journey. he joins me from new york. first of all, bill, you have the coolest job in the world, getting to go on all these adventures. >> i hear that a lot, pam, thank you. >> i'm sure you've been told that by everyone. but this is such an amazing natural wonder. there's a sad part to this, right, because it's really disappearing before our very eyes. what did you experience when you were there? >> well, it was a fascinating, very personal journey for me. my dad moved to colorado when i was a kid so his soul is the inspiration for this show. he taught me to explore the wonders and then wonder about their fate. a lot of -- too many people who live in salt lake city or albuquerque or san diego don't realize their water doesn't come from a tap, it comes from the colorado river, 40 million americans depend on that body of water to survive in the desert, another 20 million are expected
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to join them by midcentury, and if you've seen those giant bathtub rings around lake meade or lake powell, this is like a huge wake-up call. it's our fault for not understanding how we have to divvy this up. it goes back to the old west in terms of law as we get into the whole explanation. but an amazing journey. and a most precious, very perilous place. >> i was impressed with jack. he's very strong there. >> jack bomader, yeah. >> is there anything else people might be surprised by? >> well, it's just how much life a single drop of water in the american west provides. one molecule that falls as snow high in the rockies can be used 20 times through seven national parks, through cattle ranches and wheat farms, through municipalities and suburbs. now because the river is so low,
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the river died 50 miles from the sea in mexico. so there's dams that are, you know, aging and give us pause to worry about. because if we lose that source, what are the 40 million people going to do in that desert? these are things that don't get talked about enough on the campaign trail. hopefully sunday night, a little fresh perspective on the glorious american west. >> very important issue. learned a lot just from talking to you, bill weir. looking forward to learning more when we watch "the wander list" only on cnn. top of the hour now. i'm pamela brown. wisconsin is the next big primary for both democrats and republicans. voters go to the polls on tuesday. on the gop side, front-runner donald trump is also focusing his attention on the party's convention in july. and how the delegate process
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will play out. a gop source tells cnn walking trump and his aids through the process was the main focus of their meeting with rnc chief reince priebus in washington. it's even more of a possibility given the possibility of a contested convention. as for that meeting with the rnc, trump describes it this way. >> we met with reince priebus and the staff and they're very good people. it's really a unity meeting. we're leading by a lot. we have far and away the most delegates. millions of votes more than anybody else. then ted has or, you know, kasich has. we really -- i think they wanted to really discuss, you know, unity and i like discussing unity too. >> right now, trump leads his rivals with 739 pledge delegates to date as we see right here. to win the nomination, he needs to hit that magic number of 1,237 before the convention. a new poll shows ted cruz with a
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ten-point advantage over trump in wisconsin. the second poll this week that shows cruz with a double digit lead. let's talk about all this with the former director of the nixon presidential library and author of "george h.w. bush." also joining us, dana bash, cnn's chief political correspondent. and genevieve wood, a former rnc spokeswoman and senior contributor to the daily signal. tim, first to you here. we just spoke to randy evans in the last hour who's on the republican national committee. he was saying if trump does not win wisconsin, he's going to have a very hard time, if not impossible, to reach that name. is this something, though, his campaign should have been focusing on well before now? >> well, if you think about the strategy as we understand it of the trump campaign, it was a shock and awe strategy. they did not build the kind of grassroots organization that
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traditional republican candidates or democratic candidates for that matter would have created. they're in a situation now where they have to have -- they have to fight for -- delegate by delegate. and what's going to be very interesting to see what kind of retail politics they can actually run. the republican party doesn't have the number of superdelegates the way the democrats do. they don't even call them superdelegates. there are some uncommitted delegates. there are some delegates who can turn, who can change. in fact, it's hard to enforce it. there are many of the states -- all of the states require you to vote the way the primary went. but you could actually decide not to vote the way you're supposed to. so the issue is make sure you key the delegates that you won and add to them. it looks like trump will -- if the current trends continue, it's not winner take all in wisconsin, but it's winner take most. it looks as if trump will be lucky to win six delegates. because he might win two of the
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congressional delegates -- congressional districts in wisconsin, which will mean the balance will go to ted cruz with only a few to kasich. trump would have to win an enormous number in new york and enormous number in california to have any hope of get over the magic number. most people are saying he's not going to reach it. so then the issue is can you pick up the 100 to 150 delegates you'll need to reach that magic number in cleveland. and he needs to be able to engage in retail politics for that. does he have the organization? we don't know. >> a lot of dynamics at play there, dana, what have you learned from your sources about what happened at that rnc meeting yesterday? >> well, that it was a lot of educating. you know, donald trump has never done this before. i mean, most people running for president haven't done it before. but he's never been a politician. and so a big part of the discussion was walking him through what tim just talked about, that the delegates
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process isn't just about winning these states. that there is a whole second layer that is equally maybe more important about dealing with these various states and the different ways that they assign their delegates and making sure that the trump campaign, the apparatus is on the ground in those places working and lobbying the delegates. and then, you know, kind of going forward, continuing to do that. the other thing that i am told is you remember a couple of days ago at the cnn town hall, donald trump really kind of trashed the republican party. saying, you know, that they're not treating me fairly. i'm told that reince priebus, the rnc chair who did meet with trump said basically something along the lines of, you know, it's not helpful when you do that in public, for lots reasons. primarily, when that happens, activists and donors, they call the rnc saying what's going on.
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what priebus said to trump i'm told, you know, is if you are the nominee, you're going to need us to be in a good position as a party because we're going to be here to help you so cut it out. i'm told trump said, okay, okay, i get it. >> hence his tweet after, talking about unity. >> exactly. >> dana bash, really interestig scoop on that meeting. "the new york times" is reporting that republicans who -- this is a quote, by the way. republicans who once worried that mr. trump might gain overwhelming momentum in the primaries are now becoming preoccupied with a different grim prospect that mr. trump might become a kind of zombie candidate damaged beyond the point of repair but too late for any of his rivals to stop him. is that fair, genevieve, is that a fair, you know, perspective to have on trump? >> it's probably one of "the new york times" would like republicans to have. i think trump had a tough week this past week. i think in his most honest moment, he'd probably admit that too. i think we can all say that, you
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know, i've been reading a lot of what people wrote six months ago about this campaign. 90% of it has been wrong. way off base. it's where we are today. i think, you know, a lot can happen still. even if he were to lose in wisconsin, which i think most of the polls right now show him a distance second place, there's still a long road to go. i think we, you know, don't know what's going to happen at the convention. if there's an open convention there rare a number of differen pathways that can come out of that. i think most people at the grassroots level, they want to win in november at the end of the day. i think what most people are concerned about is, is it getting too ugly in places. are people saying i'm not going to vote or support the overall republican nominee. most people across the country want a republican to win ifacti. and they would just like people to work better. realizing it's still a race but not damaging each other so much so whoever it ends up being is a strong candidate in november.
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>> but genevieve, some people are wondering now, are his advisers failing him on this, especially when it comes to delegate math and so forth, having to fight for delegates. even though it's his first time at this, shouldn't it be something his advisers help him with in. >> it depends who his advisers are. trump has done something in this campaign better than everybody else. i think he read where the electorate was better than almost anybody else. he's been able to market himself better than many of the other candidates. there's one area where, you know, he doesn't have a political background. he's going to have to -- you know, he was behind the curve a little bit on this. part of the issue will be how fast can he catch up. all the candidates have curve balls thrown at them. that's why we have an election that is more than a month long. i think this is kind of a testing zone for him. >> so certainly heating up on the republican side as well as the democratic side. hillary clinton was really sort of outspoken, if you will, about her rival bernie sanders as they battle it out for new york.
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take a listen to this. >> thank you for tackling climate change. will you act on your word and reject fossil fuel money? >> i do not, i have money from people -- i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about that. >> this is a side of the hillary clinton campaign we don't often see, right? >> this can cut many ways. part of the rap on her is she's not human. guess what, she is. because she's kind of over it. and she's expressing that in a way that you don't usually see that maybe she says behind closed doors. i should say she has used those words, but not in that tone before. look, i think it just underscored the frustration on both sides, but particularly with the clinton campaign now, as they are heading into wisconsin where it looks like, b
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you know, it's going to be tough for her. and her home state of new york where she and the campaign really have to work hard, in a way they didn't necessarily anticipate several months ago. so that i think is bubbling over and, again, it's not just the process, it's the feeling that they are being attacked by the sanders campaign and that sanders is no longer telling his supporters at rallies to just sort of pipe down when the supporters boo and hiss and do those things when he mentioned her name. >> so tim, i have to ask you this, because trump's rivals going back to donald trump, they've been supporting him to one of the biggest reality tv stars out there. >> there's no doubt that donald trump is the kim kardashian presidential candidate. he sits on twitter and makes a lot of noise. but he has no solution to fixing the problem. >> i believe that the overwhelming majority of the
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delegates at a convention will take this -- will take this responsibility very seriously. and i think that's where we're going. i think it's going to be fantastic. probably be less kardashians, more who's going to be president. >> only a matter of time, right, until kim kardashian somehow made it into the presidential race. but i mean look, whatever donald trump is doing is working. he's leading the pack. is this fair? >> oh, you know, i've mentioned to someone, i wonder what ryan sea craft thinks about this, and he thinks he has too much class and too much style to associate himself with a trump reality show. i don't know. but here's -- you know, in 1988, when bob dole said "stop lying about my record," he was talking to vice president bush, and this is when bob dole had just lost by a surprising -- it was a surprise to everyone, he just lost the new hampshire primary. when he said stop lying about my
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record, it was shocking to people because nobody talked like that. now if you don't say that the other candidate's lying, people are surprised, and i would say that's one effect of the trumpism or the trumptastic effect of this campaign is what hillary clinton said about sanders in another era might have been shocking. right now, the public, you know, will just say it's part of politics. that's -- i'm not going to blame the kardashians. they have their own world and people seem to like it. what's shocking, what's surprising, is the extent to which there are no filters. that's what's shocking. again, i won't say the kardashians introduced that. i'm just saying there are no filters in the way in which people convey what they're thinking. there used to be a sense of being presidential. the idea that you had to be the adult in the room. that's disappeared. now, it may not have disappeared
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forever. because it may be the public is finally tiring of this. but at the moment, i've said it before and i believe the trump campaign is a runaway train and it's hard to stop a runaway train in a soft and pretty way. i'm not sure it can be stopped. but at the moment, it's hard to see this as anything else but a badly written b movie whose ending is yet to be concluded. >> one thing we know is that the ending has not arrived yet. so a lot could happen. tim, dana bash, genevieve wood, thank you for that. >> thank you. and just ahead on this friday, cnn has combed through transcripts, interviews, videos. see what we found about how trump sees himself and the world. plus, first apple refused to unlock a terrorist's i-phone, then the feds said never mind, we figured it out. apple wants the government to tell them how. what happens now? and chilling video of a police officer firing eight
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shots at his fellow cop. we'll show you what led up to this stunning mistake and the shooter's horrified response.
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as more police departments equip their officers with body cameras, videos of police involved shootings are more and more common. some show self-defense. many are disturbing. this next video out of albuquerque is unlike any we've seen. we should show you, it may be hard for some of you to watch this. in the chaos a drug bust, an officer mistakenly shoots one of his fellow cops who was working undercover. his remorse horrific and palpable. it's horrific to watch. [ gunshots ] albuquerque police lieutenant greg bracle shooting one of his own. >> that was jacob! >> intense moments to what should have been routine drug bust. watch just moments earlier.
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that's when bracle moves in. he speeds through this mcdonald's parking lot, gets out, approaches the vehicle when all of a sudden -- >> gun, gun! >> bracle fires several types before retreating behind a nearby vehicle. it takes him a few seconds to realize what he's done. >> [ bleep ] that was jacob, talk to him, talk to me are you okay? [ bleep ] come on, come on, i'm sorry, man, i didn't know it was you! >> bracle is in complete shock. you hear him crying as he pulls jacob out of the car and tells him to hold on. >> hang in there, man! jacob! jacob! >> investigators say bracle never attempted the briefing for this operation. grant was shot eight times. bullets hitting most of his
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vital organs. several surgeries later, he is still recovering. >> i thought you were a bad guy! >> oh, my goodness. what shocking video that is. thank god that the officer who was shot is still alive. that was from cnn affiliate koat in albuquerque. i want to bring in my colleague who has been following this story. what's your understanding of what led up to this and how this unfolded? >> well, you wonder how can this even take place? what we understand according to albuquerque police, this was a controlled, was a planned drug bust. detective jacob grant was the undercover officer who was shot. he was working with a partner. they were in the vehicle with a couple drug dealer suspects. as this drug bust is going down, at some point lieutenant bracle arrives on scene. he's in a different vehicle. the bust is taking place. detective grant pulls out his gun for whatever reason and that's when lieutenant brokle opens fire, hitting detective
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grant at least eight times. now, why was lieutenant brokle on the scene to begin with? what was going through his mind when he opened fire? we just don't know. albuquerque police telling me lieutenant brokle never gave a statement after this incident but you hear in the video he seems to say it was a huge mistake, he sounds distraught, and he says "i thought you were the bad guy," as he's trying to give aid to detective grant. >> very emotional after realizing. what has happened to him now? is there any fallout from this? also the wounded officer, how is he doing? >> well, let's start with detective grant. he survived. help w he was critically injured. he is still physically recovering at home. now, he sued the city following this incident. this happened back in january of 2015. but we just are getting this video which is why it's making news today. just this week, there was a settlement reached in that civil
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suit. $6.5 million awarded to detective grant, the city also agree to pay all of his medical bills for the rest of his life. and he has been approved now to medically retire from the albuquerque police department. as for lieutenant brokle, he too has retired. there was an investigation done by a citizen police oversight agency who recommended lieutenant brokle be fired but by the time that recommendation came down, he had already retired. there is still a criminal open case here. the investigation just wrapped up and has been now handed over to the prosecutor's office who will ultimately determined whether brokle faces any criminal charges so we'll be watching. >> this is so disturbing this happened. anna cabrera, thank you. by the way, we couplcome back, having your baby, congratulations. >> thanks so much. up next, i always get even. that's a direct quote from trump
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and part of an extensive cnn review from decades of his books and interviews. hear how he describes himself in his own words. we'll debate with a trump supporter and a never trump gop strategist with us. thanks for coming today. i want each of you to grab a 2x8 and cut it. you'll have 2 saws to choose from. ♪ you all chose the best tool for the job. wouldn't it make sense to make the same choice, when it comes to your truck? (all) absolutely. this is the 2016 chevy silverado. nice. a good-looking pick-up. incredible. i love it. find your tag and get a total value of $9,000 on this silverado double cab all star. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.
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donald trump in his own words. cnn just completed a detailed analysis of thousands of trump book, speeches and tv interviews. the examination covered a 30-year span and it reveals a portrait of a man who trusts no
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one and believes in an eye for an eye. cnn national political reporter maeve weston was part of the team. first of all, you had your work cut out for you with this one and you found some very eye-opening statements made by trump, right? >> yes, it's so interesting, you know, in a presidential campaign, we're trying all the time to really understand how a candidate thinks and, you know, what they -- how they would govern, how they would manage, who would be the people they would have around them. we decided there was so much out there on trump that we wanted to try to understand all of that better. it was a really fascinating look into -- a lot of these were just business books. but a really fascinating look into how he hires people, what he -- what he goes through with his decisionmaking process. one of my favorite quotes actually that we found was he was talking about when he makes creative choices, that whenever i'm making a creative choice, i try to step back and remember my
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first reaction. the day i realized it can be smart to be shallow was for me a deep experience. so that's so fascinating because it's sort of the very much how he goes with his gut instinct. both with creative decisions and what he says on the campaign trail. there is also a lot of other themes as you mentioned about trust and revenge. there's actually one chapter in one of his books that's just titled revenge. and he talks about how he, you know, when somebody hurts you, just go after them as viciously and as violently as you can. and then also this idea that he used to go out and hire the best people and trust them but he says, over the years, ienanigan now i say get the best people and don't trust them. it really just raises a lot of questions about what a donald trump white house would look like. we know he faces a huge premium
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on loyalty. i think it's some really fun and interesting themes for us to explore over the next couple of months of what kind of people would he feel comfortable having advised him, whose advice would he actually listen to, so i think there is actually a lot more for us to explore there, even though everyone seems to think they know everything they want to know about donald trump. >> it's a fascinating window into his thinking from several years ago that you just pointed out. really, really fascinating stuff. thank you so much, appreciate it. well, trump truly gave an open and raw self-assessment but how can they play out for him with voters? joining me now to discuss are susan dell pricio, a former administration official, of former new york mayor giuliani. and scottie hughes, usa radio networks and a trump surrogate. thank you both for coming on. >> great to be here. >> susan, i'm start with you, because we heard the report, trump never trusting anyone.
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that really struck out to me. especially because clearly he's very loyal to his campaign manager corey lewandowski and others who are around him. he basically says i don't trust anyone around me. >> the one thing about donald trump, he has been consistent over the years, and when he's always asked, where do you learn about foreign policy, he says myself, my brain, i watch the shows. he relies solely on that gut instinct. the problem running the federal government is much more complex. and you have to rely on other people to get things done. you can't oversee every aspect of the federal government yourself. that's where he gets into trouble. i think just to dove tail into the other comment that was made on revenge is especially telling, because, again, as president, you do have to work with the congress and you will lose and you have to move on and if you go on and hurt somebody so bad they can't get up, they won't be able to negotiate the
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next round. >> do you think they've got be over the revenge thing? >> let me just point out, all those comments, all those quotes, yes, they're very selective and they're very negative and paint a false picture of who mr. trump is. if that were so, you would not have an employer like mr. trump, and if you talk to him, you can see the adoration and respect. or co-workers. over 32,000 employees currently being working for the trump organization and he's had this for two decades. if he was such a bad and evil and conniving man, like those quotes try to paint him to be, you would see all of them all over the national news headlines being said how horrible he is and yet you don't. he is actually a very good boss. he's a good employer. one of the reasons why i have no problem going out speak on his behalf is because i talk to people who know him, and there's nothing but respect for him. because that's what he shows people who respect him.
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i'm sorry, i think those quotes paint the exact opposite picture of who mr. trump is. he is a family man. he is somebody who cares a lot for people. cares a lot for the country. not because he has to, not because he can't get a job anywhere else, but because he always said if he felt like the country needed him, he would step up. he truly feels about this country, i don't know why people can't give him credit for that. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, if you ask him about those quotes, which people have, he says yes, i am those things. i do think that way. i think it's just an insight into how he leads and manages his company. which granted has been very successful. i just don't think those traits will translate into being very successful if you're the president of the united states. >> but what is success in government now? we're $19 trillion in debt. our borders have more holes in it. we have a real problem in this country in the fact that maybe we've become more kowtowing to
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lobbyists and others -- >> at that point, first of all, the insinuation we just picked out the most negative quotes -- >> i know you didn't -- >> it goes to what you're saying. look, he's tough. he says he doesn't take anything from anyone. that's what people like about him, you know. >> some think -- >> this gives a little insight into his thinking yp that's part of his appeal. >> right. you're right. he is a tough -- he is a tough, he is a strong, he is a leader. you have to wonder about this trust factor. we're in this business. i think the reason why he is so careful with who he trust it is is because he's been hurt and he trusts so much after so many years so he does have a tight inner circle. if you earn mr. trumpance trust, guess what, you've got it for a long time. that speaks volumes. he's very loyal to those who have been good to him. you hit the nail on the head. it's not that you cherry picked bad comments, there's great things he's said. there's a reason why it's number
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one. i think a lot of people don't give mr. trump the credit. we heard the story of the beauty queen back i think in 2005, miss wisconsin herself and how she's dying cancer and how she was in tears and grateful to mr. trump for everything he's doing for her. these are the stories we hear about before mr. trump was running for president. before he was a politician. he did it because out of the goodness of his heart and those are the stories that don't get told enough for the media. i don't know why. i think they should be broadcast more because there are lots more of those than necessarily get put on the headlines of the newscast. >> final thauoughts. >> i agree with what scottie was saying about the direction of our country except we need a leader who can get things done and again you have to look at those qualities we just talked about. he didn't say -- he says hire the best people but you don't trust them. he doesn't trust anybody. he's going to have to let go of the reins a little in order to get things done or otherwise he'll be just as ineffective as all the other leaders we've seen
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recently in washington. >> this is a comprehensive report. people can look at it and take away from it what they want. scottie hughes, susan, thank you very much for that. up next, we have some new details about who might have helped the fbi hack into a terrorist iphone. plus, players from the u.s. women's soccer team claim pay discrimination.
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raul: and, if the food is in the fridge, you know it has to be fresh. patrick: he's a happy guy when he has his freshpet.
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well, apple wants the fbi to reveal how it unlocked a terrorist's iphone. after apple refused to help the fbi untangle the iphone. sources close to the israeli
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company tell cnn that celebright was behind the hack. however, law enforcement sources tell me flat out they're denying that celebright is behind it. joining me, cnn money tech correspondent lori segal. you've spoken to apple engineers about this. what are they saying? what is their reaction? >>, you know, regardless as to what the third party, who the third party was that did this, they say they're frustrated that this vulnerability is out there and no one has come to them and told them what it is so they can patch it up. they said we want to know what this mechanism is so we could address it and fix it in our product. pam, there's this additional protection between the fbi and the government here. between apple. because they want to know what this was. that's not necessarily always the case. there's actually a review
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process. a formal doj official tells me oftentimes in these scenarios there will be a process where they decide to share the exploit. what he said to me was they might actually have less of an incentive now that, you know, apple has shown that, you know, they will fight this and they might not cooperate to share that exploit so they can patch it up. might make it harder for the government to get into phones they're sitting on, pam. >> right, the fbi could simply just classify this if it comes to that and not tell apple what the method is. leak you said, they don't have much of an incentive at this stage. what did the engineer say about the concern, now that the cell phones are at risk, vulnerable? they have clearly there's some way to get into the phones and apple's argument from the get-go was we don't want to create any new software because this makes these cell phones more vulnerable to hackers. >> it's a good point. it's one of the first things i asked him on the phone. i said, you know, a lot folks are saying okay, well, since you don't know what this
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vulnerability is, does this make us all less safe? they said that's hyper bolic, this is an older version of the phone, an older software and they made it a point to say they have tens of millions of lines of code in each of these devices and they will not always be bug free. that's why they issue software updates. they said that's why they fought tooth and nail to not built software they believe would intentionally weaken the phone. you look on the other side and this former doj official basically said, okay, here's the other argument. if they don't want to build it, a third party's going to build it, and other folks and anyone can have access to the third party so it's an interesting conundrum that you have here, pam. >> very quickly, lori, there's a lot of speculation about who this third party is about celebright. has the company put out an official statement on this? >> you know, they haven't, and it's interesting what someone said to me that kind of resonated was okay, let's say even though sources have said it is cell bright, you have law
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enforcement saying it's not cell bright, why wouldn't they just come out and say it's not us? well, you got to take a look at their stock price which surged the day this information came out, you know, this is good for business. now there's also speculation because they signed a contract with the fbi and this cape out the day the fbi announced this. there might not be incentive to come forward and say it wasn't us. >> it's certainly getting their name out there. laurie, thank you. equal pay forqual play. the new demand from some of the most elite female soccer players in the u.s. five members of the national team including carly lloyd and hope solo announced a federal complaint against the u.s. soccer association. it cites figures indicating they were paid just about a quarter of what men's players earned. and here's the kicker, the final was the second most watched soccer match in u.s. television history, the most for any u.s.
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team, male or female. some of the players appeared on the "today" show. >> the timing is right. i think we've proven our worth over the years, you know, just coming off of a world cup win and the pay disparity between the men and women is just too large and we want to continue to fight. the generation of players before us fought. now it's our job to keep on fighting. >> so let's talk about this with cnn sports analyst christine brennan. chris te christine, thank you so much for coming on. you look at the viewership numbers and typically something we often see when justifying the discrepancy of pay between male and female players, but do you think last year's world cup numbers set a precedent here that u.s. soccer officials won't be able to use as an excuse anymore given the numbers? >> absolutely, pamela, i think this is the perfect team to be fighting this battle, the perfect group of women.
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it's set against the backdrop of the national conversation about women's pay. so they're not doing this in a vacuum or a bubble. just as billie jean king fought for equal pay for women's tennis in the late '60s which led to the u.s. tennis association, back in 1973, equal pay for men and women at the u.s. open. that's 1973, the u.s. tennis association, national governing body for tennis. there's all these sports, all have national governing bodies. u.s. soccer is the national governing body for the sport of soccer in the united states. and it's really being shown up by something like tennis doing this in 1973. and i think you're absolutely right, the popularity of this team, the tv ratings, the little girls who wait by the thousands, tens of thousands, to watch them play and get autographs. this team is so popular. it's going to be very hard for u.s. soccer to fight against them. >> the federation issued a statement that says, in part, our efforts to be advocates for women's soccer are unwavering. this includes leading a
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successful campaign to introduce women's soccer in the olympics in 1966. the inclusion of prize money for the women's world cup and the establishment and support of the national women's soccer league. and they also say they're, quote, committed to and engaged in negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement. what does that signal to you? i imagine what they ticked off as things they've done for the women's soccer team clearly isn't notch to this team. >> yeah, you know what, right, when you look at soccer worldwide, it is such a male dominate ed bastion. the u.s. is doing better than everybody else. that's the positive there. u.s. soccer has done many things, including running the 1999 women's world cup, brandi chastain, so many people remember that, rose bowl filled to capacity in july of '99, seminole moment not just forever soccer, for women's sports. for all girls growing up everywhere at that time. u.s. soccer's done a lot. what the u.s. women are saying, these five women now coming out
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with this complaint, they're saying u.s. soccer has not done enough. they're looking at it through the lens of 21st century america. not the rest of the world. that's where u.s. soccer's in a bind because they've done a lot. by comparison, against all the other countries that have done almost nothing in this very sexist world. >> they look at the numbers and say the men are getting paid more than us. that's simply not fair. christine brennan, thank you. final thought? >> yeah, no, absolutely. that's where, again, i think the women are going to win this because they are just so popular and the argument really almost looks like a slam dunk. >> they certainly are popular, that's for sure, christine brennan, thank you very much. up next, world leaders hashing out ways to keep nuclear material out of the hands of isis. president obama expected to talk about that any minute now. we're going to bring that to you live.
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isis getting its hands on materials for a nuclear bomb. obama about to take the stage at his nuclear summit to talk about the very real threat dominating today's session. leaders from across the world
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meeting right now in washington, weighing in on the state of global nuclear security and how to stop groups like isis from waging nuclear terrorism. while we wait for the president to step out, let's go live to michelle kosinski at the d.c. convention center. michelle, what do we expect obama to lay out, anything resembling a plan today? >> reporter: hey, pamela. he's going to talk about the threat that isis poses. this huge and nebulous threat of them getting their hands on nuclear material or radiological material that's a lower grade that's in all kinds of sites and hospitals and industries around the world. i mean this is a big gray area of how to protect all of that material, so i think what we're seeing to see from the president is strong statements on why the world needs to work together to counter that. not necessarily a plan laid specific to isis but initiatives that are going to affect that isis threat. for example, the u.s. really has
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a push here to stop nuclear smuggling, to make it much harder, a lot more oversight of how nuclear material is moved, and the u.s. was able to get 102 nations to sign onto better protection of nuclear material within their borders. some threats you don't always think of. we know that at nuclear facilities around the world there's tight security. the u.s. would like to see that security tightened. that's one thing that's being worked on. then you think what about somebody on the inside that's working there that has clearance that then becomes radicalized. you know, that's kind of one of those threats that isn't so obvious. and much more difficult to target. but the u.s. is also launching a greater initiative, more cooperation among countries to try to target that as well. other things were announced here today, and you know we often think about governments working together. they're talking about highly enriched nuclear material. i mean that's complicated. you would have to get your hands on that. you would have to have the know-how to make some kind of
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improvised nuclear bomb. we're trying to reduce the amount of that material around the world. there's been real progress in that area. even today there were announcements of certain countries eliminating their stockpiles altogether. but when you think about isis on the ground looking for material, it's more likely to come from places like industries that use it. you think about cancer treatments and thousands of hospitals around the world. some of that highly unsecured. there's talk about trying to increase standards over those civilian applications too, so they're trying to cover all their bases and we'll see, you know, incremental progress as things go on, pam. >> just curious, michelle, what has the buzz been like there with russia not being at the table to have all these discussions? >> reporter: the u.s. is really framing it in terms of they see that it's a snub, it's a statement russia is making that they don't want to be a part of
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this. in fact what russia has said about it is they don't like to see the u.s. trying to exert its influence -- >> michelle, i'm going to sadly cut you off so we can hear president obama speak. >> just to summarize where we've been, in the morning session we discussed the extensive and impressive national action steps that many of us have taken and the collective efforts that we've made to reduce the amount of nuclear material that might be accessible to terrorists around the world. during lunch we focused on international institutions, and
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i was hardened by our collective commitment to ensure that the iaea, interpol, the united nations and the various coalitions that have formed are properly resourced and supported by various nation states in order for them to be able to carry out the ongoing work that will be required to ensure that the commitments and pledges and practices that we have put into place during the course of these nuclear security summits carry forward. this afternoon's session turns the focus on the terrorist networks themselves. it tells us the possible consequences of terrorists obtaining and using a weapon of mass destruction. fortunately, as i've said this morning, no terrorist group has yet succeeded in getting their hands on a nuclear device.
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our work here will help ensure that we're doing everything possible to prevent that. this is also an opportunity for our nations to remain united and focused on the most active terrorist network at the moment, and that is isil. a majority of the nations here are part of the global coalition against isil. a number of our countries have been targeted by isil attacks. just about all of our nations have seen citizens join isil in syria and iraq, so this is a threat to us all. in syria and iraq, isil continues to lose ground. that's the good news. our coalition continues to take out its leaders, including those planning external terrorist attacks. they are losing their oil infrastructure, they are losing their revenues, morale is suffering. we believe that the flow of foreign fighters into syria and iraq has slowed. even as the threat from foreign fighters returning to commit
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acts of horrific violence remains all too real. in fact as isil is squeezed in syria and iraq, we can anticipate it lashing out elsewhere, as we've seen most recently and tragically in countries from turkey to brussels. this means that the sense of urgency that we've shown in destroying isil in iraq and syria also has to infuse our efforts to prevent attacks around the world. we need to do even more to prevent the flow of foreign terrorist fighters. after the paris attacks, the united states deployed search teams to europe to bolster these efforts and we'll be deploying additional teams in the near future. woe all have a role to play. we're all going to have to do more when it comes to intelligence sharing. we simply cannot afford to have critical intelligence not being shared as needed, whether between governments or within governments and today is a way to explore ways to step up those
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efforts. looking around this room i see nations that represent the overwhelming majority of humanity, from different regions, races, religions, cultures, but our people do share common aspirations to live in security and peace and to be free from fear. the fight against isil will continue to be difficult but together we are making real progress and i am absolutely confident that we will prevail and destroy this vile organization. as compared to isil's vision of death and destruction, i believe our nations together offer a hopeful vision focused on what we can build for our people. with that, what i'd like to do is ask the press to depart. we will then be showing a video that focuses attention on possible scenarios that might emerge with respect to terrorist networks. it will give us a good opportunity to t